Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Andrius]

I craft these elaborate plans and stare at the end of the game.

Andy comes in and goes "Hey, have nopoint not hide"

Together, we are legion.

We ARE pretty badass, huh?

I have to go now. If the thread is open when I get back then cool.
If not, I hope to see you on the upside.

[Andrius]

Yeah my role scrutinizes nopoint's, but we'll see what happens...

[Andrius]

Same here...

[Andrius]

I did consider targeting you, but figured we should try nopoint again.

[Andrius]

Cool. I'm in.

AGAIN.
NOPOINT, DO NOT HIDE TONIGHT.
Sending you something cool (hopefully).

[Andrius]

Red:
SensFan

Yellow:
MoI [?]

Definitely agree with Kdub's thoughts on the D1 wagons.
Jack = SK? Didn't we mention this before?

[Andrius]

BROWN IS TOWN WITHOUT COLOR CLAIM

Vote Count

tanstalas [6] -

Katsuki

,

SpyreX

,

Kublai Khan

,

Plum

, Jack,

Kdub

Kdub

[5] -

Vi, Fate

,

Andrius

, tanstalas,

xRECKONERx

SensFan (???)

[3] - AlmasterGM, MagnaofIllusion, nopointinactingup
Andrius [1] - Starbuck

Katsuki

[1] - SensFan
MagnaofIllusion [1] - dramonic

SpyreX

[1] - xvart
Toogeloo [1] - Guderian

xRECKONERx

[1] - KageLord

Not voting [5] - Dekes, Kast, Stephoscope, The Stove, Toogeloo

Kdub

[6] -

Vi, Fate

,

Andrius

, tanstalas,

Katsuki

,

The Stove

tanstalas [4] -

SpyreX

,

Plum

,

Kdub

,

Guderian

SensFan

[2] - MagnaofIllusion, AlmasterGM

SpyreX

[2] -

Kublai Khan

, xvart

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord, nopointinactingup
Andrius [1] - Starbuck
Katsuki [1] - SensFan
MagnaofIllusion [1] - dramonic
nopointinactingup [1] - xRECKONERx
Starbuck [1] - Jack

LAST D1 VOTECOUNT

Guderian

[13] - Dekes,

Stephoscope

,

Plum

, nopointinactingup,

The Stove

,

xRECKONERx

,

Vi

,

SpyreX

,

Kdub

, tanstalas, MagnaofIllusion,

Fate

,

Katsuki

SensFan

[2] - AlmasterGM,

Andrius

xRECKONERx

[2] - KageLord,

xvart

Andrius [1] - Starbuck
Katsuki [1] - SensFan
MagnaofIllusion [1] - dramonic
SpyreX [1] - Kublai Khan
tanstalas [1] - Guderian

Not voting [3] - Jack, Kast, Toogeloo

Just a couple select votecounts before locking.
Back to another game. Hand hurts from the color tags. :S

[Andrius]

And I didn't bother doing anything at the 1-vote level

[Andrius]

Yeah, I haven't forgotten that game.
Its been a long time though.

I think we just DID lynch xvart, nopoint.

NOW. YES/NO TO YOU NOT HIDING TONIGHT.
I won't let you down.

[Andrius]

Toog, xvart claimed scum.

Nopoint, do it for me. Because you DIDNT IGNITE ALL THOSE TOWNIES IN TRADER MAFIA BEFORE YOU DIED.
I will not shoot you. Promise.

I don't want to waste a night action on you when I could work on another townie.
SO PLEASE.

YES OR NO.

[Andrius]

I GET IT NOPOINT.


FINE.

/cries

[Andrius]

One more for good measure.

Katsuki

[11] -

Starbuck

,

The Stove

, tanstalas, Dekes,

Fate

, KageLord,

xvart

,

Kdub

,

SpyreX

, Kast
nopointinactingup [3] -

Katsuki

,

Plum

, MagnaofIllusion

SensFan

[2] - AlmasterGM, nopointinactingup

Not voting [5] -

Andrius

, Jack,

Kublai Khan

,

SensFan

,

Stephoscope

[Andrius]

I did NOT target nopoint last night.
I PM'd dana and asked for some clarification regarding his Hider claim, and it was told to me that even if he didn't hide I could not confirm him via my normal means.
SOMEHOW the Serial Killer getting a "Hider" claim is just wrong. BUUUT I'm not throwing it out.

So I didn't.
And now I ask you, tanstalas: Claim the following:
1) Did you receive anything last night? And if the answer to the above is "No":
2) Claim basics. Do you have an active ability, what color you are, what's your gender (if discenrable). That's all I'll need to know.
Because I think this will confirm you as town.

Hi Kdub.

MoI alive today is very unsettling. Glad Jack got the boot; surprised that Spy was killed.

Let's not do anything rash. I'd like to wait for everyone to post again, and such.
Not surprised about Black. I mean, RC WAS in Succession Mafia.

[Andrius]

I've also toyed with a Blue Lantern MassClaim.
If we could solidify part of the Corps then we're in good standing.

[Andrius]

Have you already claimed?

If no, please power-claim.
(Hint: Claiming Black Recruiter isn't a good idea. )

[Andrius]

Released from the Bonds of Life

–

Guderian -

Atrocitus

,

Investigation-Immune Janitor

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Lynched on Day 1.

–

dramonic -

Bleez

,

Operative

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

–

xRECKONERx -

Star Sapphire

,

Mason Recruiter

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

–

Vi -

Kilowog

,

Busdriver

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

–

Katsuki -

Bedovian

,

Watcher

in the

Sinestro Corps

- Lynched on Day 2.

–

Plum -

William Hand

,

Operative

in the

Indigo Tribe

- Killed on Night 2.

–

Starbuck -

Wonder Woman

,

Cop Mason

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

–

Stephoscope -

Arisia

,

Operative

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

–

Fate -

Tomar-Re

,

Gunsmith

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

–

xvart -

Arkillo

,

Ninja

in the

Sinestro Corps

- Lynched on Day 3.

-

Toogeloo - Fatality, VT in the Black Lantern Corps, Killed N3

-

SpyreX -

Munk, Role Copier

in the

Indigo Tribe

, Killed N3

-

Jack -

Queen Aga po, VT

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

, Killed N3

-

SensFan -

DEX-STARR, BoMB

in the

Red Lantern Corps

, Killed N3

Updated rfor visual-types like me.
Also, I TOLD YOU SSBF WOULD HAVE SENT IN SCUM COLORS. /enddiscussion

[Andrius]

Be right back. Going to brunch.
Waiting on dana to get back to me with something...

[Andrius]

Hey tanstalas, while we wait for others (and a CC perhaps), which colors did you send in?

[Andrius]

KageLord, do you actually think that will DO anything?
you're just providing more setup speculation than we actually need at this point.
Not really helpful.
I'm waiting on the rest of the people to get in here.

[Andrius]

Ok.
So.
We need to hunt down the Black Recruiter. (And Red/Orange/Yellow as well, but).

You're lucky there's still one person left alive from Succession Mafia.

So. People who've posted since D4 broke:
kdub
dekes
tanstalas
andy
kk
nopoint
stove
kagelord


TRUANTS:
MoI
Kast
AGM

11 left alive...
I'm very convinced that MoI and AGM would both have submitted scum colors.
How exactly the Black Cult thing WORKS is beyond me. I highly doubt that it was here since the beginning.
HOWEVER.
This reminds me of ANOTHER famous Cult Rectuiter from ANOTHER choose your side game.
Who ALSO didn't start recruiting until N3.
HRMMMM

Prosecutor Andrius Kairys Walker calls AlmasterGM to the stand.

[Andrius]

p.s. Flavor would be much appreciated when you can, as the OP says Sensfan was a bomb and it'd be great to see who he took with him.
OH WAIT.
DISPARAGY.
tanstalas supposedly killed him.
Y U NOT DEAD TANNEBAUM?
YOU YELLOW?

[Andrius]

Town - or, at least we're not the black recruiter

kdub
andy
stove
kk

OH WAIT. IF, IN FACT, THE SETUP IS 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 THEN WE HAVE OUR TOWNIES.

So yeah.
I feel like now would be a good time for a massclaim. Especially with 4 kills a night and recruiters running around.
I'll decide the order, with KK, Kdub, The Stove and I as the final claimants, if we claim at all.
Why? Because we've killed some scum, but we've got a long way to go methinks.
AGM and MoI claim first, as they haven't posted yet. If scum have daytalk, they'd definitely NOT rush into the day like Dekes did. Just my opinion.

[Andrius]

Supplementals:

MoI and AGM are first because they have proveable histories if favoring scum/3rd party roles. And MoI should be dead by now and AGM is lurking (IMO). I've seen him do better.

RED: 3 dead, one to go
GREEN: 3 dead, one to go (ONE OF TANNY AND NOPOINT IS SCUM) which also means whoever claims Hal Jordan is dead.
VIOLET: 4 dead, all gone
INDIGO: 2 dead, two to go
YELLOW: 2 dead, two to go
ORANGE: 0 dead, 1 to go

And finally:
BADASS BLUE: ZERO DEAD (eat this scumbags), 4 alive.

[Andrius]

If we don't massclaim then all Blues claim.
Because I have a tinfoil I'd like proven.
Namely, the fact that no Blues have died either means:
A) we all have miraculously survived thus far
B) we are just really few in number
C) we're few in number AND the designated fakeclaim-color for scum, in which case we need to claim NOW so that I (and Blue Brother) can rip them to shreds while we're still here

[Andrius]

Because Tans isn't a vig?
Because Tans is scum, perhaps?

Because I targeted Tans last night, and he didn't claim anything when he should have.
So, unless I was Roleblocked... Tans is scum.
Discuss.

[Andrius]

Not a problem bro.

Hey, you down for a Blue Corpsmen claim?

I understand. /WAITING FOR MAGNA AND AGM HRMMMMMM

[Andrius]

No comment on you being almost confirmed scum, huh?

[Andrius]

tans needs death. He's most likely scum.

<3 Persephone (Jack). Glad to see you shooting ppl.
WAIT.

JACK KILLING PEOPLE. AS VT.
OH. AND HOW DID HE DO THIS?
THE MAGICAL VIG-SHOT.
OH.
RIGHT.
TANNEBAUM CLAIMED VIG.
HRRRRMMMMMM
TWO TOWN VIGS SHOOTING THE SAME NIGHT??

Unlikely. VERY Unlikely.

Scum:
tanny

[Andrius]

Tanny, you forgot one thing.
I CLAIMED I GOT A ONESHOT VIG SHOT N2 AND I SHOT SHEPHOSCOPE. (who turned out to be the hot blonde, but hey shit happens)

My "cookies" only work on certain people under certain conditions. And UNLESS I WAS ROLEBLOCKED YOU ARE SCUM.

@ KageLord: I did, but hey. It was tempting.

Andy, quick question, and if you feel it would not be in town's best interest to answer don't feel the need to, but are you aware beforehand of the abilities provided by the goodies you send out?

Its not in the town's best interest.
If I fullclaim/ die then you'll see what I did and ask for the information.
I will claim this though:
I targeted Plum N1. <3

It didn't work N1 (on Plum) because of one condition. It didn't work on nopoint because he hid, and it didn't work on you because either:
A) scum
B) i was roleblocked

[Andrius]

AGM: Both. Ask questions. Scumhunting is encouraged.
What do you think of MoI?

SO.
AGM.
What've you been up to these nights? /investigator music

[Andrius]

I don't understand what you mean because there is no "plan" at the moment.
I'm attempting to work out how exactly to do this.
Because I feel like the Blues should claim. We'll find scum either within us (easy peasy) or we'll confirm all of us and then have epic quasi-masonry of badassery.

AGM. I'm assuming you actually READ the daybreak, yes? lol

My ideal plan would be:
I) Blues claim and we form a cohesive group. If we catch scumbags, so much the better.
II) We massclaim, forcing everyone to stick to their claim and hopefully outing some baddies based on previous flips and connections to dead people
III) We cut off the Black Corpsmen's heads, and get back to stringing up reds/oranges/yellows within a day/night cycle. There can't be THAT many of them, (especially if AGM is Mr. Black).
It can't be that hard. We're very powerful and cohesive. The only difference between last game and this one is I'm not a Vigilante of badassery.

[Andrius]

Black isn't the end-all be-all.
But he needs death.
So.
We have a list of people who aren't black recruiter.
We need to build up this list, then focus all kills and lynches on him.
Because even the scumbags need him dead.
Well, actually Red would probably welcome recruitment.
Yellow not so much.
So yeah.
Townies need to stick together.
<3
Andrius

[Andrius]

I admit, given Comedy of Whims, this whole "Day 3 SECRET CULT ACTIVATED" stuff makes me look PREEEEEEEEEEEEETYYYY bad.

FoS: AGM

...
...
...
...


nopoint didn't hide last night. But he's probably the SK, so.
AGM, don't say that MoI picked scum/3rd party.
We all know you love a good cult recruiter.

If this whole "cult fiasco" turns into fucking Ocarina of Time then I'm going to be pissed.

people needing death:
nopoint
tanny

[Andrius]

Oh sorry, missed that.

I'll find it in a sec.
AGAIN FOR EMPHASIS, JUST LIKE THE SSBF THING.
TANNY IS SCUM UNLESS I WAS ROLEBLOCKED LAST NIGHT.

[Andrius]

nopoint claims green here

[Andrius]

tanstalas, my "cookies" don't exist.
I'm not an Inventor. I used that to cover for my actual ability.

tanstalas is flailing scum. PERFECT. I WONDERED IF I GOT RB'D AND TANNY CLAIMED SCUM FOR US.

lol @ Dekes asking for Hal Jordan. He's probably a fakeclaim, IMO.

I DEFINITELY feel a massclaim now. Since there's a cult and a crapload of scum left. WELL.

[Andrius]

Did anyone else just see what he did?
He claimed UNLYNCHABLE. Even as limited, that's almost always scum.
YEAH. VIGILANTE WITH UNLYNCHABILITY. HRMMMMM
I'd offer to keep him around another night to shoot, but he's ODD night.
So that doesn't work.

Glad to play with you, tanny.

town:
kdub
andy
stove
kk

scum:
tanny
nopoint
moi

cult:
agm

Everyone: SRS BSNS: Massclaim Y/N?

[Andrius]

Because there is a cult, a SK, a two-man scumteam, a one-man scumteam, and a small group of quasi-confirmed townies who cannot fight them on our own.
So we wait for MoI and Kast. After that we MOVE.

[Andrius]

EBWOP: This isn't based on a simple 4:4:4:4 thing.
Yellow is missing the following: Siniestro, Goon
Red is Missing: Info Role/ RB

predit:
AGM, I'll elaborate on my role during massclaim. I can't do it now or I risk outing the Blue Lantern secret.
you bring up a good point about the non-lynchability though. And since we seemingly have no goddamn protective roles (either that or they're just dumb as fuck).

[Andrius]

We don't. We have nopoint and tanny sitting in front of us. And MoI and obv.AGM cultmaster.


Wait what? Dekes is PR? I AM CONFUSED

[Andrius]

I am hoping against hope that there might be a second cop or a deputy in the game with a guilty read on someone.

Hi there.
You forget what the Blue Lantern Corps stands for or something?

[Andrius]

@ dekes: You confused too? lol

[Andrius]

OK. SO.

On a semi-related note, has anyone actually been roleblocked in previous nights?

[Andrius]

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE.

[Andrius]

The massclaim? Simple.
You all claiming forces you to stick to a color. Also forces anyone who claims green to be confirmed scum at this point.
All "Blues" will be screened and should they not know the Blue Lantern Trade Secret then they're scum as well.
Violets are all pretty much dead at this point; I don't see how they can have any more PRs on top of A FUCKING MASON COP AND MASON RECRUITER.
*shakes fist in general direction of mods*

It will also give me more to work with tonight then just checking up on people on the biggest lynch wagons.

And we can hunt down obv. scum PRs like "BULLETPROOF TO REDS LOLOL and HIDERS AND LYNCHPROOF PPL".

[Andrius]

Yellow. Probably.
nopoint is orange.
Red is probably some sort of info role/ RBer.
And you WERE the competing lynch with Guderian D1, so I highly doubt those dead buddies of yours liked that very much.
Possibly black, of course. (Again, unless AGM is Black Recruiter in which he is all alone right now with ded Toog.)

[Andrius]

Yellow are KageLord and MoI.

I agree with your yellow choices, sir.

[Andrius]

Except the scum KNOW who the PRs are. (Some, at least.)
HELLO I HAVE BEEN CLAIMING PR SINCE D2.

Anyway.
I understand, but in order to hunt this GODDAMN CULT RECRUITER we need to do this soon. Because if we wait until tomorrow and all four kills MAGICALLY GO THROUGH then our little niche of confirmed townies DIES.
I'm just not quite willing to wait until tomorrow when its been proven that there are upwards of 4 kills a night and there are 4 of us in the happy little townie club.

[Andrius]

I have 0 flavor knowledge, plus the wikipedia info on my character.
And the fact that yellows are led by Siniestro, who is still alive.

--;

KK brings up a good point about cults not being able to recruit scum.
I think it would be different for the last red though, but whatever.
I'm glad KK showed up. <3 I was worried he was lurkertown.

[Andrius]

Your logic is a non sequitur.

You say, "we need to find the cult before the townclub dies. Thus, massclaim." There is no reason why massclaim stops the townie club from dying OR helps find the cult. In fact, it seems like a massclaim would just accelerate the death of the townclub, seeing as the scum would now know exactly who to kill and in what order.

AGM.
There are 4 of us.
There are 4 kills floating around.
Now, I know you probably will be sad when I die

because no one else ever accepts your cult invites

but if all four of us die that means you're left with a crapload of scumbags and HOPEFULLY another Blue (if not Blue Brother) to explain what I've been meaning after I die.

I CANNOT HUNT FOR THE CULT RECRUITER WITHOUT CLAIMS. Like in Succession Mafia. I can find him, but I need info.

[Andrius]

Sorry, I just don't like being the only townie in the room when I can help it. It lost me Succession Mafia.

@ Dekes: cult recruiter can't recruit scum, that's the point.
Vital herring-info. We still have the same wincon, but we have to kill the black corpsmen too.

[Andrius]

It didn't. They wouldn't say that.

predit: AGM, I WORK MAGIC IN CULT GAMES.

[Andrius]

I can find him. Not guaranteed, of course, but its not exactly hard to do.
Succession wasn't like this game. I found the recruiter based off of DayPlay, not nightplay. And we have PLENTY of flips and crap to find him. If I have to read the game again I will.

/this is barring mods being players, secret players, dead players acting from beyond the grace

Worse come worse then we'll have a solid basis on who he could be, and we can shoot and lynch until we've got him. And the best part? Scum have to help us.

BUT.
Before we massclaim (roles,names) I think we should color-claim.
I have reasons for this too.
But we do colors first.

I think everyone can agree that a colorclaim is reasonable, even if you don't support a massclaim.

[Andrius]

I know scum may claim blue, but I think that they wouldn't know what we know.
Popcorn, I guess. I don't really have a order preference, just you, kdub, and stove go last. Just because.

@ Dekes: Yeah, we can wait for a votecount.
MoI will be back on monday; he usually takes weekend V/LAs, for as long as I've known him.

[Andrius]

Oh.
Forgot about them for a second there.
...
But its not so much that we're STILL confirmed town, or we will be tomorrow.
We're narrowing down who is/isn't the cult recruiter.

Like Succession, finding who CANT be the recruiter is almost as helpful as finding goons. Once I narrowed it down to two players then it got REALLY EASY to find him.

[Andrius]

The Black Lanterns will obv. recruit tanstalas if they can/haven't already. They'll want that kill, believe you me.

Let's just start with a color claim first. I don't want us to move too quickly.
I approve of Kdub's popcorn list.

[Andrius]

I did NOT target nopoint last night.
I PM'd dana and asked for some clarification regarding his Hider claim, and it was told to me that even if he didn't hide I could not confirm him via my normal means.

For nopoint^

If you're orange then someone un-claimed is green.
KK, perhaps. Kast or Stove.

But a Hider claim? As GREEN?
Bullshit.
I am officially calling bullshit.

[Andrius]

Another color, maybe.
Greens are Willpower.
Willpower doesn't equate to hiding like a coward.

Hope equates to assisting others as we can.

Love equates to bonds and trust.

Compassion means taking sympathy with others. Spy's flip makes sense.

A GREEN LANTERN WITH A HIDER CLAIM IS BOLLOCKS.

[Andrius]

Popcorn-style color claim starts now.
Magna first. Popcorns to group #1.
After group #1 finishes KK color claims, then popcorns to one of Kdub and Stove.

I, as I've previously stated, am a member of the

Blue Lantern Corps

.
(And yes, I'm not using the "correct" color, but hey. Someone else can start that for extra points. )



predit: He hasn't claimed because there isn't a stricy 4:4:4 thing (although that might be the case).
GREEN MEANS WILLPOWER. NOT COWARDICE.
AGAIN, SOMETHING I CAN'T FULLY EXPLAIN BUT I AM RIGHT HERE.

[Andrius]

GUNSMITH IS INVESTIGATIVE. IT ACTUALLY HELPS PEOPLE.
BUSDRIVER ATTEMPTS TO SAVE PEOPLE (like me). It is useful.
You fucking hide.
Don't worry though; we're looking at tanny before you.

If you're green you won't "hide" tonight either. I'd love to have you in the townclub, honest.

[Andrius]

My role HELPS PEOPLE. It actually reduces Night Kills if you guys didn't butt in and made me claim. I'd love to be in your "town club" but it seems you don't trust fellow townies too well. Fuk Andy. TELL ME YOU DIDN'T TURN BLACK OVERNIGHT?

Bro, where has there ever even been a chance for a kill on you?
4 people have always died nightly, save N1, and God knows what happened then. :S

Oh hey Agar. Nothing new on my end. :/

[Andrius]

Again, unless I was Roleblocked, tans is scum.
I feel like Fate would have gone more gung-ho if he got a Guilty on SensFan D2. :/

We're definitely color-claiming.
I know he said it isn't true, but its not a bad base to start from; I get the feeling that the Blues got the shortest end of the stick, population-wise.

So all we have to do is Revive William Hand? Can it really be that simple? Will the Black Corpsmen just keel over and die?

[Andrius]

Oooooh, that means Plum comes back.
Although this new evidence somewhat de-criminates the AGM_BlackRecruiter theory.

[Andrius]

Zito makes a good point. I'll go read the claimage pages though. See what's what.

But how about a color claim?

(And there is the off-chance I was Roleblocked...)

[Andrius]

dram and SensFan were pro-massclaim.
Oddly enough, I feel like a 1shot Reviver would be here. I can't clarify more right now, but from the flips I've seen I can definitely see it happening.

it sounds like Andy is trying to reconstruct all night actions and potentially catch liars through conflicting claims/abilities/etc.

This.

I could piece together what certain players have done, night action wise. Vi, SpyreX, Jack, Reck, Starbuck, etc. We know alot about alot of people, so it isn't hard.

Give me a couple minutes...

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion

–

KageLord

–

tanstalas, Claimed

Green OddNight Vig

N1: Shot Dramonic
N3: Shot Toogeloo
BONUS: SCUMBAG Unless Andy was Roleblocked N3
–

Dekes

–

Kublai Khan

–

Kast

–

nopointinactingup, Claimed

Green Hider (WTF)

N1: Hid behind Vi
N2: Hid behind ??
N3: Didn't Hide
–

Kdub

TINFOIL, CLASSIFIED INFO
–

The Stove

–

Andrius,

Blue Lantern

N1: Targeted Plum (Result: Classified until Fullclaim)
N2: Targeted nopointinactingup (Result: nopoint Hid. Controversy over whether this means he avoided the action. If not, HE IS SCUMBAG.)
N3: Targeted tanstalas (Result: SCUM, unless I was Roleblocked)
–

AlmasterGM

Released from the Bonds of Life

–

Guderian -

Atrocitus

,

Investigation-Immune Janitor

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Lynched on Day 1.

N1: LOLOL NO NIGHT ACTIONS CUZ HE DEADER THAN ELVIS
–

dramonic -

Bleez

,

Operative

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

N1: Probably carried out the kill on whoever they killed.
–

xRECKONERx -

Star Sapphire

,

Mason Recruiter

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

Died attempting to recruit Katsuki. (Lame choice IMO)
–

Vi -

Kilowog

,

Busdriver

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 1.

N1: Busdrove me [?] and himself [?], implying someone tried to kill me N1.
–

Katsuki -

Bedovian

,

Watcher

in the

Sinestro Corps

- Lynched on Day 2.

N1: Claimed Watch on me. Might have actually been on Vi, but with the Busdriving issue then might have watched me instead
–

Plum -

William Hand

,

Operative

in the

Indigo Tribe

- Killed on Night 2.

N1: n/a
N2: KILLED BY SCUMBAGS
–

Starbuck -

Wonder Woman

,

Cop Mason

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

N1: Investigate: The Stove
N2: KILLED BY SCUMBAGS
–

Stephoscope -

Arisia

,

Operative

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

N1: n/a
N2: Killed by Andy_Vig
–

Fate -

Tomar-Re

,

Gunsmith

in the

Green Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 2.

N1: Investigated KK [?]
N2: KILLED BY SCUMBAGS
–

xvart -

Arkillo

,

Ninja

in the

Sinestro Corps

- Lynched on Day 3.

N1: Carried out the kill for sure
N2: Carried out the kill for sure
-

Toogeloo - Fatality, VT in the Black Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 3
N1: n/a
N2: n/a
N3: KILLED BY TANS [?] AND FLIPPED BLACK LOLPANDA
-

SpyreX -

Munk, Role Copier

in the

Indigo Tribe

- Killed on Night 3
N1: TINFOIL, PLEASE HOLD
N2: TINFOIL, PLEASE HOLD
N3: KILLED BY SCUMBAGS
-

Jack -

Queen Aga po, VT

in the

Violet Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 3
N1: n/a
N2: n/a
N3: Killed SensFan, and Killed by SensFan
-

SensFan -

Dex-Starr, Bomb

in the

Red Lantern Corps

- Killed on Night 3
N1: ?
N2: ? (likely carried out the kill)
N3: (likely carried out kill), blew up Jack and KILLED BY JACK

Helloooooo Moi.

so I’m leaning towards the possibility he got passed a “CPR Doc” invention ala Andrius’s Vig shot earlier. Eventually 'Blue Brother' or whoever Andy keeps going on about can clear that point up.

Blue Brother should be able to clear this up; also implies that Fate was NOT the one handing out kills as I had speculated earlier.

Magna, did anything happen to you last night? Just say yes or no.

Nope, I have had no Mod communication indicating anything of the sort.

I think I know what's coming...

And yet it doesn’t occur to you that NoPoint got some other role to claim and invented the Hider claim in an attempt to ‘explain’ Spyrex’s then unexplained role results?

It did. But he's now forced into a Hider claim. So we're good for now.

So do you think I’m Orange? Because that’s the only scum color you can realistically claim you are convinced I submitted.

Maybe. I like nopoint best as orange.
But it DOES fit you the best. (Like AGM fits black best)

Does anyone have Tans = Scum meta that shows he doesn’t pay attention to the thread? Because somehow NoPoint’s claim has escaped him.

Super Smash Bros. Mafia is him as scum in a 4:4:1:TOWN game.

1. So the Mods would never reserve a popular character as a fake-claim? Derp.

OH RIGHT.
RC.
HARRY POTTER.
ATTN: HAL JORDAN IS SCUM.

I also think your claim of Hider doesn’t make sense from a set-up point of view for unshared reasons.

Same here.

I like your views on AGM though.

[Andrius]

2) Tanny, I'm not a Vig. Don't you worry about me killing you.
3) Because we're organizing. I'm not going to let some blockhead come in and hammer before we're ready. (Blockhead was you hammering yesterday. Something I've learned from being scum; if you can quickhammer and get away with it do so.)
4) Except no one else has claimed RB. And I'm not the best choice, if scum is smart.

[Andrius]

No, we're color claiming.
I thought we decided on that.

Addenum: Color claiming will be supplemented by a claim of what colors you submitted. Thanks.

Anyone not in (KK, Andy, Kdub, Stove) can start the color claiming, preferably MoI, as per Kdub's wishes.

[Andrius]

Yeah, I was actually thinking that xvart killed Vi, so Kat wouldn't have seen them anyway, let alone if he WERE not part of Yellow with xvart.
Oh ok. :/

Roles are not distributed evenly among colors might be true, but roles are definitely dealt for a reason. If it isn't already apparent that certain roles are more likely to appear in certain corps then my efforts have been for naught.

[Andrius]

No, that's not what I'm looking for.
If that's the case it would be GREAT.
But I'm looking for a couple things.
Namely forcing scum to stay tied to this one color.

I can TELL that roles aren't distributed 4:4:4:4... because its a miracle that there aren't any dead Blues yet, so there have to be few of us. :/
you forget though, that both nopoint and tans are scum. So they're not really "greens".

[Andrius]

Prevents them from fakeclaiming; and it will be used later to cross-check their roles.
See, I'm under the impression (backed up by reasons I can't out) that TYPES of roles appear in certain colors.

Ok.
Everyone should probably claim who they'd rather see lynched today.
Namely one of tanstalas and nopoint.
I'm leaning nopoint.

[Andrius]

Ok, I'm beginning to come around to the idea of lynching nopoint today and just going straight to night; no claiming.
I find it hard to believe that there is both a town Hider (Untargettable?) and a town Unlynchable (let alone a Unlynchable Vig). And tanstalas is most likely non-SK scum. nopoint is leaning SK, so if we could get rid of one NK permanently that'd be GREAT.

But I still feel like even a Color claim would be helpful.
Hell, just claiming what colors we SUBMITTED would help me out immensely.
At the VERY LEAST, can we do that? ^

[Andrius]

Kdub, I'll reread and see what you mean by tracking.
I'll be out for a few hours. I feel like I should reread the thread soon; we have a shitload of scum outed and we can definitely draw up connections by now.

OH WAIT.
FUCK.
WE ARE CLAIMING FOR A REASON.
I forgot all about the Black Corps. And their goddamn recruiter.
That's why we're claiming; so we can narrow down who the hell he is.

[Andrius]

@ MoI: Yes. Color you received, and colors you submited. No names right now.

Yes you did. lol

@ Kast: KK cannot be red. Because Guderian flipped Investigation Immune, and if KK were Red PR and Immune to Gunsmiths that'd be major hax. :S
Never mind, I keep thinking he's confirmed via Fate.

Colors matter, Kast. I take it you didn't change to scum, yes?
Kast, just claim your original color. But if it happens to be a scum color then we'll talk.

Yeah, I'm leaning nopoint as SK and as such, the better lynch candidate.

Re: Color Cop. I'm not claiming, but there is a reason why I'm asking for colors in relation to my own night actions. (And Blue Brother, since I'm sure he knows what I plan to do.)

@ Dekes: If this isn't 4:4 (which it probably isn't, but similar enough to) then Colors alone won't do the trick. But it will help me and similar Blues out immensely. It won't be hard: give me time to do a reread of badassery and then I look for certain things. D3 read will be hella' interesting for sure. AGAIN, MUCH ANGER AT TANNY FOR ENDING D3 PREMATURELY.

[Andrius]

My mother had to have a kidney stone removed. They say it is the most painful human experience besides giving birth.

I kinda' figured you prefered his lynch, tbh.

[Andrius]

Magna, I might prod a bit more into your role later on; I'd like to try something. I've been hinting at clearing the entire Blue Corps for awhile now, and I definitely think it is something we can achieve today. Blue Brother (unless he's you, of course) knows what I'm talking about.

Kast has definitely been a low-key player. Haven't really a definite scum/town read on him tbh.

Sshhh, MoI, its ok. We know tans is likely scum so don't waste too much of your time on him.

[Andrius]

Kast has definitely been a low-key player. Haven't really a definite scum/town read on him tbh.

I'm getting a Black-Recruiter vibe from him, actually.

I'm withholding my Black reads until this is over.
Because there are certain things I look for and I don't want to out them just yet.
But yes, he's a candidate.

[Andrius]

I wasn't sure if I should advise that I was unlynchable at that point due to some people here that I played with in SSBB and coming up with a crazy fake claim in that game they might have thought I was trying to pull the same thing.

You did well there though. I was impressed.

especially since I am outed now and can get feedback from people who are obv-town (Andy, and I assume you if that is the correct color code for blue) on who to shoot N5.

I'm not sure I understand this, actually. "color code for blue"?

[Andrius]

I just pulled up the Font Color choice and picked the Blue I always used. That wasn't a coded signal on my part. Now if I wanted to perfectly duplicate the color palate I saw it would have written

Blue Lantern Corps

instead of

Blue Lantern Corps

Yep. That's the color.
I'll wait for what I was going to do to see if anyone else claims Blue.

[Andrius]

KageLord, just go ahead then.
Let's get this moving. Color claim and popcorn off.

[Andrius]

Never mind.
Kast is next, per tanstalas.

[Andrius]

KageLord was going to claim Black Lantern.

[Andrius]

I don't think black can recruit scum. Especially if they're not the last one left.

We're not massclaiming until colors are done.
Then maybe.
I'll probably prod the blues for the Blue Lantern Trade Secret. See if we can catch scum that way.

[Andrius]

I'm not so sure he's confirmed JUST off that though.
I mean, a good fakeclaim would have that too.

But I'll attempt to consolidate the Blues later, so.

/aslssp

[Andrius]

Well, well, well. If it isn't Hal Jordan.

We meet again.


Similarly to KageLord, I was HOPING there would be Masons in this setup, and I was hoping to get in on that action, so I picked

Blue and Violet

, hoping one of those was the correct color. Idiot_Andy didn't read into the whole SISTETHOOD of Violet though, and missed it by one preference slot. I digress; I love my role.

Just waiting on the last two, and then I think I'll attempt to consolidate the Blue and Green Corps.

Not at all surprised there are 6 Greens, and not surprised Blues are on the short end of the spectrum.

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– KageLord, Claimed

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

– tanstalas, Claimed

Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

– Dekes, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kublai Khan, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kast, Claimed

Blue Lantern

turned

Green Lantern

– nopointinactingup, Claimed

Green Lantern Hider

– Kdub, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– The Stove
– Andrius,

Blue Lantern

– AlmasterGM, Claimed

Violet Lantern

ITS SO PRETTY. <3
Assuming Stove claims the color I expect him to, I'll be ready to outline what we should do next.
It seems that I wasn't quite WIFOM'd to death after all.

@ KAST: When did you turn Green from Blue?

[Andrius]

I was just too lazy to go back and look for those.
I'll update it.

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– KageLord, Claimed

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

– tanstalas, Claimed

Sodam Yat, Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

– Dekes, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kublai Khan, Claimed

Indigo Lantern

– Kast, Claimed

Ganthet, Blue Lantern

turned

Green Lantern

– nopointinactingup, Claimed

John Stewart, Green Lantern, Hider

– Kdub, Claimed

Blue Lantern

– The Stove
– Andrius,

Blue Lantern

– AlmasterGM, Claimed

Violet Lantern

[Andrius]

Also, with a claim like Hal Jordan, KageLord is either legit. HJ or Siniestro.

[Andrius]

Things I want to do:
-Attempt to Consolidate Blue
-Attempt to Consolidate Green

@ KAST: Why exactly did you change to Green, Kast? Was Blue a bad color for you?


Now let me explain what I mean when I say consolidate Blue.
I have thoroughly claimed a PR of sorts, as has my Blue Brother. (You all are Blue, but he's the one who has confirmed his ability- and therein his alignment.)
What has to happen to do this is to claim whether or not the four of you (Stove, Kdub, MoI, and Kast) have active abilities as Blues. (Kast, you too, because you were Blue.) Basically I'm going to ask whether you're an Operative or not.
It is not my intent to get all the Blues to massclaim. It is not my intent to out my Blue Brother.
It is my intent to consolidate the Blues into the confirmed side of the Blues and the non-confirmed side, similar to the Greens. Because nopoint and tanstalas are likely scumbags so they aren't true green, so to speak.
Don't go ahead and do this, just let me know if this is doable or not for you.
Please let me know if this is doable for you.

And oddly enough, the Cult benefits from us lynching scum, since they can probably not recruit them. :/ At least the Yellow. Probably all of them.

SpyreX's efforts helped make this possible.


As a side note, is anyone against AGM claiming whether or not he has active abilities? Because he is the only surviving Violet.

[Andrius]

Now you see why a massclaim would help to offset the massive amount of claims that are going to happen.
I) This does two things: attempt to consolidate colors
II) work towards a massclaim which will also:
III) narrow down Black Recruiter
IV) from him we can divine the recruits

I'm going to take a leap and say that the Black Corps entered the game somewhere between N2 and N3. Toog's flip may have been the first night of recruitment. But we can't rule out it starting a day prior.

Going to test something quickly:

Vote: Plum

Someone drop a vote on another dead player, preferably a flipped town PR who's been dead since N2. Say... Starbuck

[Andrius]

I'd like to be able to rule out the notion that dead players affect the living in any way that we can think of, so.

[Andrius]

Yeah, but the Black Lanterns had to come from SOMEWHERE, and unless he just sat here and waited for some magical condition to occur we've got to try something.

I'll be back later; if the blues could form an opinion on the issue at hand that'd be cool.

Every time I want to just lynch nopoint/tanny I have to remember that there's black recruiter out there, and we have to kill him soon. But at this point killing the SK/last red would be beneficial too, so.

lol at the reading fails.

[Andrius]

It WAS in the OP though.

I'm debating whether its better to attempt to lynch the SK or go after the Black Recruiter. :/ Touch choice imo.

[Andrius]

@ Kdub: I know. <3 I'm just glad that we got our time before everyone else. Its nice to start this thing with someone I can rely on.

Yeah, but if we lynch scum we have to know we're taking out one whole color.
Why? Because the Black Corps can't recruit scum, so they'll go after townies when they can. Scum can kill each other. So Black can't take out scum. Scum can. So we're better off cutting out the Black. But if we can take out the last Red/sole Orange that's one less kill overall, and its a worthy cause I think.

[Andrius]

Theory:
If you look at the claims and the people who are probably scum, maybe we ARE dealing with an almost 4-4-4-4-4-4-1 setup after all.

If you take tans, nipau, MoI out of the list, throw in AGM instead of Kagelord and what's left? All 4's except for the green-blue discrepancy created by Kast who's definitely a good contender for the Black recruiter.


And now, Andy, work you magic! You've got all the claims, find us that Black recruiter.

Trust me, I've already considered 4:4:4:4:4:4:1.

I'd need a massclaim for that. Roles, actions, and all the related crap. BUT, I can work with what I have.
My goal for tomorrow is to decide whether its better to attempt to hit the Black Recruiter, or hit a scumbag today.

[Andrius]

True. But the overall town *might* benefit from losing a scumdriven nightkill. Especially since if Black recruits a scumbag it won't work. (has yet to be proven, but it should hold water)

[Andrius]

They need to go after Black or else Black will grow to be larger than the other scum colors and then beat them out.

See, scum usually win by being larger than the town. The Cult will replace the town, so they need to kill him too.
They're best-off by focusing all energy, like us, on hunting down the black lantern recruiter. After he's dead they can resume killing us and each other.

But as long as Black Recruiter lives he will beat out the other scumteams. Because he's essentially a fourth scumteam. A scumteam that's always growing.

And even the SK stands no chance here, once the town is dead.

[Andrius]

I think he has powers respective to each color.
If he didn't have a power as blue I would've switched D1. If he doesn't have a power when green he wouldn't have switched at all, IMO.
Odd though, that the Black Cult showed up N3, after both Plum's death and Kast's color swap. I'm no flavor expert, but yeah.

[Andrius]

@ MoI: Yeah, I forgot the Reds. But lynching #4 is just as good as Orange.
And since we agree that KageLord is either Hal Jordan or Siniestro, he's not the play today. (Though Hal Jordan would be a great FC for any scumbag.)

And on a related note to the Blue/Green survival thing, while our Blue wincon doesn't require Green, my role PM does mention Hal Jordan in relation to my character.

As a side note, is anyone against AGM claiming whether or not he has active abilities? Because he is the only surviving Violet.

AGM, please do so. Hell, claim Operative or not. And if you aren't, please inform us if you have active or passive abilities.

OK. Here's the play, since all Blues seem to agree.

Blue Lanterns

Now, there are four of us, minus Kast since he's now Green, but he's participating anyway.

I'd like everyone to claim wheither they're an Operative or not, and if they aren't, whether you have active abilities or not.
What I'm asking is a PR claim or not. I'm not asking for a massclaim.
I'm hoping that this will flow straight into mass-Blue confirmage.

And I plan on supplementing the claims you'll all be doing with something of my own.

[Andrius]

Tans, I'm against most of your suggestions. Lynching KageLord or MoI is not good play.

So. These are our options:
1) Lynch Tanstalas.
Outcome A) He is Red #4. We move to Roman Numeral I.
B) He doesn't die, for whatever reason. We move to Roman Numeral II.
C) He is green who fakeclaimed as town. Roman Numeral IV.

2) Lynch nopointinactingup.
Outcome A) He is Orange. Roman Numeral I.
B) He is Black Recruiter. (Unlikely, buuuut) Roman Numeral III.
C) He is Green Hider. Roman Numeral IV.

3) No Lynch. Why? No one dies. Pretty much the "bad" ending.
Outcome A) Roman Numeral II.

4) We lynch the Black Recruiter, whoever he may be.
Outcome A) Roman Numeral III.

I) We're down one NightKill, and an entire Color Corps. Great. That's Two NightKills tonight, and one Recruition. Focus all energies on the Cult Recruiter.
II) Coming from No Lynch/ forced No Lynch. Three NKs and a Recruition. Here its essential for all kills to go to slaying the Black Lantern. He helps no one.
III) Black Recruiter is dead. Red, Orange, Yellow will act in their best interests, which is probably shooting Blues and a Yellow for non-Yellows. The last thing Red and Orange need are "factions", so taking out one Yellow will be beneficial to them.
IV) Worst outcome. We lynched town, and all non-town factions remain intact. Bloodbath tonight.

If we go to night RIGHT NOW we're looking at:
X Townies on varying color
1 Red (sometimes refered to as #4 by me)
1 Orange SK
2 Yellows (Siniestro_Godfather and..?)
1 Black Recruiter (with one recruit, at most)

So AT BEST we're looking at 6:5. Oh noes. We're pretty much guaranteed to be outnumbered after tonight, unless we get an amazing night.
Now, I'm going to attempt to explain to you (and the scum) why its the best play for them to (attempt to) shoot Black Recruiter or each other tonight.

We're essentially fighting FOUR scumteams. Yes, I'm couting Orange and Black as scumteams. Because in order for them to win, they have to be alive and outnumber the town AT LEAST. Because they all need to be alive, and they all have to kill each other at some point.

Let's say that Blue claiming goes well, and we're sitting tall with 4 Blues of townieness. They could kill us all, hypothetically. What good does that do?
D5 we hit shithole with 2 townies at max, and 5 anti-town players. Yellow wins (assuming they just need to be larger than other factions) if a townie is killed. But oh wait! CULT. Cult doesn't kill, remember. They recruit. So one of our townies is now black. What does that mean? Yellow's win is delayed, as they have to both kill a townie and Black.
So they NK Black Recruit.
Oh wait.
They recruited again.
There's two again.
So yeah.
Yellow is getting f***ed by Black in the longterm. Red and Orange are as well, but Yellow is most likely to win right now, (obv).
Orange needs to kill everyone, most likely. being a SK and all. So he's in it for the long-run. As is Red.
Why Black? Simple.
If he's left around, he'll form a Second Town. Pretty much a scum faction that GROWS. So in your little 3-player LyLo you'll be sitting across from two black corpsmen and wonder where you went wrong. It was here.

Yes, we have a Vig. Either in tanny or Blue Brother, we have a Vig. So we have some power. But we (by we I don't mean just the town, but all non-black players) could use some concentrated firepower on likely Black Recruiters.

Did I make that abundantly clear? Scum need dead people, but shooting randomly won't help when the cult only grows bigger.

predit: Hey MoI. You

do

know that if you claim Immune to Yellow actions we won't like that, yes?

[Andrius]

Not yet.
You know that you just sapped the next ten minutes of my life; diving through your ISO. :/

Though I feel like I know who you are, character-wise.

/iso time! yaaaayyy


@ Kdub: Catching more scum is preferable than killing them, IMO. Because they have to kill each other to win.
I mean, they're both important, but we do have the noose, so.

[Andrius]

I didn't think you were an Operative, Kast.
If the only thing you could do was color swap I'd be very let down.

Waiting on Stove then we move to Pt. 2.

[Andrius]

Ok, my horrid reputation as a Baker preceeds me. I can bake but cannot eat baked goods, so to speak.
I know who you are, but not your ability.
Don't bother.
I feel like Kast's play makes him more likely to be Black Lantern. His claim on the other hand holds me back. :/

[Andrius]

We're the same.


- PZ

As AGM?

[Andrius]

Ok well good.
Because this will be short.
AND FURTHERS THE 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 idea with 2 PRs and 2 VTS per group. (Although the mod said not to take it seriously, I'm still considering it as viable.)

Kast, could you claim your Blue ability

please? I want to see how much alike you are to me (and Kdub).

[Andrius]

Ok.
Let's look at it this way:

RED and YELLOW are really different.
RED = Janitor (from extra brutality), BOMB (KABOOM). Goon.
YELLOW = NINJA (sneaking around), WATCHER (again, sneaking). So I'm willing to bet the following:

last RED is either:
Strongman or RB perhaps

YELLOW has:
GF of some sort; perhaps kill-immune to offset the Reds. And a Goon.

ORANGE:
BP SK. Done deal.

I'm very happy with where this is going. Not having to out the Blue Lantern Trade Secret is an extra bonus too. <3
Kdub, did you ever say who you targeted last night? I feel like we should go over this in case you die overnigt.

[Andrius]

AND FURTHERS THE 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 idea with 2 PRs and 2 VTS per group. (Although the mod said not to take it seriously, I'm still considering it as viable.)

Huh. I just looked back over the flips and you're right. Especially Violet.

Exactly. Which implies AGM is scum.
And we have 2 scum in [nopoint, tanstalas, KageLord].
This also means that Siniestro is a Goon. Which is odd, but Ninja and Watcher are both pretty good.

KageLord, this is probably a dumb question, but do you have an active ability?

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

– KageLord,

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

– tanstalas,

Sodam Yat, Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

– Dekes,

Indigo Lantern

– Kublai Khan,

Indigo Lantern

– Kast,

Gan

thet

,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

turned

Green Lantern, Non-Operative

– nopointinactingup,

John Stewart, Green Lantern, Hider

– Kdub,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

– The Stove,

Blue Lantern, Operative

– Andrius,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

– AlmasterGM,

Violet Lantern, Operative

[Andrius]

^ Agree with that 100%.
Though that would mean THE Green Lantern, Hal Jordan, is a VT.

KageLord, you an Operative? Y/N is fine.

[Andrius]

Sorry Dekes, I missed you and Stove's post at the bottom of 68.

Kast is a special case. Transient and shouldn't really be counted in one spot. :/ Which is just odd to me. :/
I'll clarify MoI's power with him later; I have some expectations as to what his power SHOULD be like. MoI isn't active though. So its just us 2, I guess.

I'm working on it, I'm working on it.

Um you lost me on the bolded portion, oh Holy Stroller. How did you get to that particular conclusion?

Haha. Funny.
I was operating under the 2 PRs and 2 VTs per color premise. But if there is 1-2 VTs it works fine. And I don't actually think he's a Goon. xvart as Ninja enables an active PR for him, to match our supposed Corps makeup.

I guess now's a good time as ever, since MoI started crumbing it too: I am

Saint Walker of the Blue Lantern Corps

. I appear in the picture in the OP. I crumbed my "Saintly" status throughout the game, namely in my first post with numerous puns to "Holy". And when I said "Andrius Kairys Walker calls AlmasterGM to the stand", I used Walker, so. I can provide url references upon request. Hal Jordan appears in my Role PM because I was evidentially assist him on numerous occasions.

Without getting closer to the Black cult leader we could've easily lynched one out of tans or nipau and waited with the color claim until tomorrow.

If I had a guaranteed town-driven kill tonight things would have been different. But since I have to rely on the SCUM to kill the Black Recruiter, I'm not exactly putting all my Hope in them.

Did you read Succession Mafia that Andy has been referring to? As an outsider who read the game I think Andy is perhaps overselling his cult finding prowess based on that game (nothing personal Andy).

None taken.
Though he will play similarly to how they do there. Cautious, buddying when necessary, doing what is necessary to stay alive; not lurking but not being in the limelight; coasting perhaps; definitely under the radar.

That said the Color claim also served more purposes than just hunting the Black recruiter. Orange and Red need to be able to shoot Yellow to have a chance (and all three also should have an eye towards Black) and this color claim will give them a much better target range. And it doesn’t really harm Town as the confirmed Townies were already out there.

QFT
We were already out in the open, and MoI shouldn't have been the only one to pick up my crumbs. And I've enabled the scum to have more information on suspected scumbags; I just Hope they realize the dire need to shoot Black; for our sake AND theirs.

N3 I used the protection against Black Recruitment, but I think it's better not to name my target.

I was going to say; had you NOT used this immediately I would have been concerned. Also, as long as said player isn't dead I have no qualms keeping it secret.

(or actually Plum may be directing from beyond the grave...but I doubt anyone will believe that).

Oh I would. All my work is based on the fact that the recruiter is alive and one of us- something that could easily be false.

OH STOP ARES. I DONT HAVE MAGIC POWERS. I just have experience and feel like this shouldn't be too much harder than Succession. Granted, I had more info there, but this is workable.

That being said, Kast's stuff in no way clears him of Black suspicion. I'm willing to let the Violet Corps slide at the moment.

MoI, you mind claiming now?

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

– KageLord,

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

– tanstalas,

Sodam Yat, Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

– Dekes,

Indigo Lantern

– Kublai Khan,

Indigo Lantern

– Kast,

Gan

thet

,

Blue Lantern, JOAT

turned

Green Lantern, JOAT

– nopointinactingup,

John Stewart, Green Lantern, Hider

– Kdub,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

– The Stove,

Blue Lantern, Operative

– Andrius,

Saint Walker, Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

– AlmasterGM,

Violet Lantern, Operative

[Andrius]

Kdub is town. (Or at least, not the cult recruiter).
His ability has been proven, therefore not recruiter.
Hell, THIS IS WHY WE MASSCLAIM.
So all the PRs can get confirmed as PRs and not Recruiters by default.
That way the recruiter HAS TO BE hiding in the VTs or passive players. And it won't be too hard to pull the recruiter out, especially with kills flying around.

[Andrius]

Players

Yet Tarrying Amongst the Living

–

MagnaofIllusion,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

< POSSIBLE BLACK, *Pending Claim*
– KageLord,

Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

< POSSIBLE BLACK
– tanstalas,

Sodam Yat, Green Lantern, OddNight Vigilante

< POSSIBLE BLACK
– Dekes,

Indigo Lantern

< EITHER PR OR POSSIBLE BLACK
– Kublai Khan,

Indigo Lantern

< EITHER PR OR POSSIBLE BLACK
– Kast,

Gan

thet

,

Blue Lantern, JOAT

turned

Green Lantern, JOAT

< POSSIBLE BLACK
– nopointinactingup,

John Stewart, Green Lantern, Hider

< LIKELY SK
– Kdub,

Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

NON BLACK RECRUITER, PROVEABLE ABILITY
– The Stove,

Blue Lantern, Operative

NOT BLACK, INVESTIGATED TOWN BY S.S. COP
– Andrius,

Saint Walker, Blue Lantern, Non-Operative

NON BLACK RECRUITER, PROVEABLE ABILITY
– AlmasterGM,

Violet Lantern, Operative

POSSIBLE BLACK

I'd like people to weigh in on the following:
If we want to go for the Black today, I'll need the following people claim: Dekes, KK, KageLord. Y/N
If we don't then we lynch scumbag tanny/nopoint and go to night, hoping someone shoots Black dead

[Andrius]

Kast, you might as well just point it out, since you already claimed.

[Andrius]

Oh. I got the multi-color deal.
Just thought there was more to it than that. lol

[Andrius]

Stove is recruited?
... I can see it.

Regardless, Kast is my biggest Black Lantern Recruiter read.

I'm hesitant to just go lynch him without a massclaim to back it up, but I could be coaxed.

[Andrius]

I didn't think you were an Operative, KageLord. For Hal Jordan to be an Operative would be... HERESY. *shakes fist in direction of mods*

Somehow I doubt we have a Doc. Just my setup-speculation gut. :/

[Andrius]

I feel like Kast and nopoint are the big claims here. Most likely to be something anti-town to be sure. Then KageLord, just from that. Hrm

@ KK: I think assuming Black can't kill is reasonable. For now.

I like Stove's "let's kill scum wherever they are to be found and let them kill black" but we can't really trust them to do anything, let alone kill black.

@Andy/Kdub-
If needed, I can demonstrate my redirect tonight. With Stove claiming VT, that leaves Andy's "Blue Brother" power as one of you two (or Spyrex copying one of you two). I can prove my redirect works by sending that ability back to Kdub or Andy (unless you're assuming I'm a recruiter who can recruit AND redirect and who knows what else).

You're assuming that

I'm

not the Blue Brother and he's the lesser of us two.

JUST NOTICED SOMETHING. Kast, our actions resolve BEFORE standard NAR. Once a target is chosen then they get the goodies immediately.

Kast, do your abilities work unconditionally? Do they work on everyone all the time?

Sorry, missed this on the first read-through. I'm Shane Thompson, Indigo Operative.

That wasn't a call for you TO claim. That was a "give a Y/N for the claim". Oh well. What's done is done.

Neat. Kast is now claiming that the Black Lantern cult is a figment of our imagination, despite the fact that his "role" specifically lists an immunity to their recruitment.

I lol'd.

So Kast's claim is doubtful. Let's wait for the rest of the claims so Andy could see what's black.

Kast
You
Every claimed VT

List looks like that on a quick run-down.

OH LOOK ITS PIDGEY.

At this point I’d really like a NoPoint lynch as I think he is Larfleeze the Night Action Immune Serial Killer.

I honestly feel like he's a good bet. Because if we kill Black the scumbags will have no other people to kill than us (and each other, but).

Magna: Oh. When I asked you to claim I was thinking fullclaim. I figured you were The Flash (and I was rather jealous of that fact, whereas I got some guy I didn't know lol).

till he’s blue in the face (get it … it’s a color based pun

I liked it.

And I don’t see a Mod-directed Black Lantern mechanic as anything other than Bastard Modding which was not indicated in any way during sign-ups or the start of the game. If it is the case mark me as officially pissed at the Mods.

This. I think we've narrowed it down to one of us, and IF it is a mod mechanic there will be some VERY angry Blue Lanterns at the end of this game. :/

@Kdub – Now that we’ve formalized that you are the only Blue Lantern who could be handing out inventions (as Andy claimed with his Arisa shot) will you confirm or deny that you provided Jack with an invention that would explain his and Sensfan’s deaths on Night 3?

Ssshhhh. There's no reason to do that. Me and Kdub are working magic here.
I will confirm that one of us was responsible for giving Jack the kill that he presumably used on SensFan.

This would just mean outguessing Andy here. Do you think Andy referred to himself when he was talking about the "Blue Brother" action or not? You'd only need to hit the Blue Brother for your plan to work. And even if not, this could just be you sacrificing yourself because you got caught and you're just trying to gain another night for another recruitment.

I like this guy.


I feel like we can all agree on nopoint as SK, yes?
I've narrowed down who I'll be walking with tonight, so.

[Andrius]

Please read carefully. I explicitly stated I think Blue Brother is either Andy OR Kdub. You are Andy. I have no clue what you mean by lesser of the two. I'm offering a means to prove that I am a PR since you think demonstrable PR-ness is sufficient proof of being a non-Black Recruiter.

Funny story actually. We were introducing ourselves last night and I called myself Andy. (My name isn't Andy IRL.)
Don't worry about the "lesser" thing. I'm trying to get something across in the event I turn up dead.
I know that, but its not the only thing I'm looking for. More pieces of the puzzle, see? If we had let nopoint get away with god-knows-what under the guise of Hiding we'd be really shitty players.
Its a combination of things: VT claims, unproveable PRs, lurky play, lots of speculation without much definite "X is scum", not wanting to step on toes, etc.
If you look at Succession Mafia, both Animorpherv1, Flameaxe, and Quagmire were under the radar and very non-confrontational for the most part. Very friendly without commiting to reads outside of their group.

I'm not sure Redirecting would even work, given that one of us (at least) is bound to eat a NK tonight. :/

Kdub knows what I was trying to get at with the "are your abilities conditional" thing.

From Kdub and your soft claiming, I'm guessing you both have abilities that power up others and that might be dependent on color and/or PR/Operative status.

We have similar abilities that operate in the same way. So when we cross-targeted earlier it confirmed both of us to each other.

[Andrius]

I'm leaning nopoint, just based of how his role and my role cannot interact. Even if he doesn't hide.

It so nice of you to take on the character of your color (Red being mindless rage, with a highlight on the mindless part)!

I'm a bit skeptical of your claim, but since you're probably Yellow if non-town at all, you're good for now.

I'm busy now, but will respond to Kast later on.

[Andrius]

As far as your plan to confirm your redirecting ability, Andy is right that I have good reason to believe it will not work on our abilities. For all intents and purposes, assume our actions are unblockable/unredirectable.

I agree with this.
Also, Kdub, what do you think of Kast's Blue-powers NOT working like ours? You know, the Trade Secret and all.

[Andrius]

@Andrius: You're the de facto town leader. You've got a majority willing to lynch either Kast (Black) or nopointinactingup (Orange). Either of these would be a good play for today. Where are you in your decision process?

Yeah, and I'm trying to decide who to lynch. We *could* leave Black for the scumbags, and I am more certain in my Orange read...

BUT. I think I'm going to reread the thread.
Why? We have a shitload of flipped scumbags and townies. If we can nail down some of them/ strengthen my own reads then I'll feel much better going into the lynch.
I *should* have time to do it tomorrow morning.

[Andrius]

I agree with your LOL at tanny.

Yeah, I know. I just thought it was worth looking into.
I'm down with that, but if he doesn't flip Black (less likely) then we'll need to Vig correctly on Black.

[Andrius]

Hey Kdub, did we ever get a N3 action out of you? Or was there a reason for you not claiming?

I understand where you are coming. You have to be sceptical. That said I think NoPoint’s claim of Hider who CANNOT be targeted by anything if he hides and does NOT die after hiding behind scum is comically bad.

But his role and MY role are direct contradictions to each other.

I actually clicked the flailandfail.com link. Its broken.

I Hope you can get confirmed soon MoI. It'd be nice if one of Kdub or I lived to see tomorrow *hinthint*, as even if I die it shouldn't be too hard for you guys to figure out what I've been up to for the last few nights.

[Andrius]

Also @Kdub/Andy-an alternative for proving myself; send a vig kill at me and I'll redirect it to your designated target. If I'm lying, you'll kill me (you pick the vig).

You clearly don't understand how we work, and I'm pretty sure we've explained the Vig thing well enough.

There's several probable scum:
If it's 4x per color, then AGM, one of {Kast, MoI},

You forgot about Stove.

NPIAU's Hider claim interaction with Vi marks him as potential scum. It also conflicts with MoI.

And mine. I can't explain why without at least crumbing my actual role (which I've done before), but Hider is WEAK.

[Andrius]

I haven't started the reread, actually. I've been distracted all day. :S

Again, I echo Kdub in the essence that you can't assume our actions can be redirected... but could they be blocked? Interesting thought there.
OH NEVER MIND I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LOL I AM DUMB AS HELL. XDDD

[Andrius]

KageLord, my action is 100% reliable if I wasn't RB'd.
And due to the nature of our actions, I'm skeptical if a RB can even affect me.
But, who knows?

Reading today. It'll happen. Tomorrow was a waste of a day for me. xD Sat around and didn't do much. lol

[Andrius]

Not finished yet, sadly.
Got all distracted. My roommate started watching Dexter (the TV series) and now he, myself, and my best friend here are all hooked. P:

[Andrius]

Reading.

Kat's treatment of tanny makes tanny non-yellow.

nopoint enters without a vote. WTF

I do think that certain people who think they are the bomb at mafia (or are arrogant)

I just find this odd. Given SensFan's flip, that is.

Again, not like we did wrong by lynching scumbags D1-D3, but we could have shot down SensFan a bit earlier HAD PEOPLE LISTENED WHEN I SAID SSBF WOULD HAVE SENT IN SCUM COLORS.

I can't see MoI as anything other than Yellow. Or Orange, perhaps. And Black. But most definitely yellow if I had to guess.

Current scum:
nopoint - ORANGE
tanny - RED
MoI - NON-RED (only thing I got out now, a BP claim is perfect for SK which is why nopoint needs death so we can narrow this thing down; but i highly doubt MoI would claim BP AT ALL if he WERE BP_SK because then he'd just be clue-ing all of us in, ESPECIALLY with mah vig shootings and 2 other scum NKs
Kast - BLACK ?
AGM - BLACK/RED
KageLord - HAL/ YELLO

[Andrius]

KageLord is probably Siniestro then.
If he's scum, that is.
Why? Because he claimed HAL FUCKING JORDAN.
They wouldn't give that to a fucking Goon. lol

THIS THIS THIS sent a shiver down my spine when I reread it.
Here's to HOPING that the Black Recruiter hasn't been active since then.
Goddamn. Because if he HAS, then we're in trouble.
Because we've got FIVE scumteams. :/

[Andrius]

Except there was no N0.
So its ok.

[Andrius]

Current gameplan based on incomplete read:
We shoot nopoint in the face today
tonight the scum and us shoot black
tomorrow we lynch scum, based on play and FLASHY NEW STUFF.

Preferably: scum A shoots MoI (who either dies/doesn't die)
scum B shoots Black
scum C was nopoint and is dead
black recruits scumbag/killed player and fails
town shoots scumbag
ideal D5:
dead Red
dead Orange
dead Black
no black recruit

<333
hunting yellow is easy-peasy

[Andrius]

Reck's Scumlist, which is guaranteed to be 99% accurate OR YOUR MONEY BACK!:
SensFan
NPIAU
dramonic
tanstalas
Guderian
maybe Jack

Lookin' good so far. Srsly. Drop the "maybe" and we're looking good.

[Andrius]

The only way this works is if the result you got was no result. I guess we will have to trust you on that for the moment.

Now about xvart, are you sure enough that you would take a vig bullet or tomorrow's rope if you're wrong?

THIS.
Anyone doubt that IF KageLord is scum that he's YELLOW?
Speak now

and get shot dead

.

[Andrius]

Ok I just read 60 odd pages. Not quite done, BUUUUUUT.

Want to see what Kast comes up with regarding numbers.

TRUE.
Kdub has a point.
A good point.
Kdub, next time WE should be masons.
If they could recruit ME or YOU the game would break.
WIIIIIIDE open. Especially with the magicks that haven't yet been revealed.

Kdub, we act together. If you're not down with a nopoint lynch we won't rush into it.
I'm actually leaning tanny or Kast ATM.

[Andrius]

^^^ which would explain both Toog's flip, and speculation on KK/Stove being recruited.

HRMMMM

[Andrius]

GOD I could really use a Neighborhood with Kdub now...

[Andrius]

Roles the Recruiter cannot recruit:
Scum - breakage
Masons - breakage
PRs - BREAKAGE

So that leaves Operatives... this was a great find.

[Andrius]

That's a good point, but it couldn't recruit masons... :/

10 pages left. Reading in a bit.

[Andrius]

Mason recruiter was odd-night
In the reread starbuck said reck was odd-night only.

[Andrius]

I'm considering the merits of lynching tans.
EVEN if he doesn't die.

Because he'll either:
A) flip scumbag
B) be unlynchable and that's confirmed, we move into night; someone will shoot him before he can shoot tomorrow night, so. :/

[Andrius]

You know what? Fuck.
Quick little thing to add to the mystery of Blue-ness tonight:
Dekes, you a PR with an active ability?
Just wondering if I need to be going after Greens or Indigo tonight.

[Andrius]

And if my plan works tonight, it won't follow any of the forecasted scenarios.
Because I don't want to trust in those scumbags to do what they have to do.

[Andrius]

Yo sorry I'm late.

Ok. So I read and am pulling my hair out over all the OVSCUM that we can't kill fast enough.

Tanstalas needs death. He's scum. And if he ISN'T he'll get killed tonight, since he claimed Vig. They won't wait until tomorrow night, when he can shoot again.
nopoint is obviously either Orange or Black. Why Black? He claimed untargettable.
I have a hunch in relation to Yellow PRs, but we don't need more speculation right now.
Kast also needs death, but I don't think lynching him is the best idea right about now. :/ I think we could keep him over a night and hope someone shoots him dead.

At this point I think we should do the following:
-> lynch tanstalas
either he A) dies and flips BIG scumbag (goon wouldn't claim unlynchable)
or B) he doesn't die and we go straight to night, where scum will probably shoot him

Scum need to shoot Black because he's a scumteam that GROWS.
I think I've said this enough times.

KILL LIST:

tanstalas
nopoint
Kast
AGM
KageLord

BILL

Kill-And-Be-Killed List

Kdub
Andy
Dekes

AND. IF FOR SOME REASON TANS IS LYNCHED AND FLIPS TOWN, WE WILL HAVE A SERIOUS TALK ABOUT TOWNIES LYING TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE WHOLE TOWN.

[Andrius]

Ummm, I was honestly expecting some discussion.
MoI's reaction isn't what I expected either.
Add him to the Kill List too. (If town, you'll just survive anyway, so. )

UGHUGHUGH.
I have confirmed scum result on tanstalas, but I still want to lynch nopoint_likely_SK.

[Andrius]

I'll hammer if need be, but was hoping for some sort of discussion. :/

[Andrius]

Dekes, honestly, I don't know.
I'm operating more under the idea that he IS scum than what color he'll flip.

Which isn't the best strategy, of course.

I'd

like

him to flip orange.
But I still feel nopoint is orange, so. :/

Maybe we should lynch nopoint.

FFFFF

[Andrius]

MoI: What concerns me is about how easily people (noteable you and AGM) just passed off votes as sheepdom. Meh.

In my reread I disconnected tanstalas from the Yellows; I highly doubt he would flip Yellow.
SO.
That's a good lynch because he'll either:
a) not die
b) FLIP RED/ORANGE/BLACK
Which is good. ^

@ KK:
1) I don't trust them either, tbh. Yellow, if any, we can put SOME trust in. Not alot. Which is why I'm keeping KageLord around another day; hoping he/his buddy have the brains to realize they need to start killing scum, specially black.
2) He's still the best play, second to red/orange.
3) Noted. And wary of this fact.

[Andrius]

And I don't think he's yellow.
Well.
Maybe.

But I HIGHLY doubt he's a vig on top of the Blue-driven kill. That's 5 kills a night with NO flipped Docs.

[Andrius]

I had a thought last night.

Unvote, Vote: nopointinactingup

Why waste a lynch on someone who will probably eat a NK, when we can just lynch someone WITH a NK?
HRMMM??
Tans claimed Vig. Even if he's lying there are STILL 3 other factions out there with kills, so he'll be killed tonight for sure.
Meaning that we can now lynch probable_SK nopoint and cut down some scumbags on the side.

Any objections?

p.s. And MoI, I hardly EVER "anoint myself" as town-leader unless I'm a Mason. Then I just TAKE it. I haven't "anointed" myself or taken anything; your trust has been given to me and can be taken back at will.

[Andrius]

Oh I did.
When I spam-post as bad as Furcolow that means I'm taking the town headship by storm.
And I had to make up for MPR's lack of posting... (did he leave the site? T_T)

predit: lol at "the good people". Sounds like we're some quaint little town.

[Andrius]

OK, I'll go along with a nopoint lynch if you're sure about this.

Anyone with a vig shot had better kill Kast or tans tonight.

1) The best choice we've got. tans is a likely NK, and to make sure the scum don't keep him alive for a mislynch tomorrow I'll work some magic on the greens, so.

2) Or both...

[Andrius]

Feel free to drop the hammer, whoever is here.

I'm ready for the night.

[Andrius]

I'm Vice, Red Lantern Framer. Discuss.

Cool.
Someone hammer.
Red is a good as Orange.

AGM, are you Serial Killer

this[/i] game?

BUT SRS BSNS.
SOMEONE HAMMER THIS GUY.
CLAIMED RED IS AS GOOD AS ORANGE ANY DAY.
UNLESS HE IS ORANGE/BLACK HOPING WE WON'T KILL HIM.

SOMEONE HAMMER.

[Andrius]

Red is now dead, unless he was fail-gambiting to save himself. Which won't happen.

That's great though. Great.
Orange is SK. He has to be last man standing.
Yellow needs a majority, most likely.
Order of NK-loveliness:
Black
Yellow
Orange
Black is GROWING. They're threat #1. Yellow is stable at 2. They're threat #2. Orange is 1man. He's threat #3.

SOMEONE HAMMER PLZKTHX. ITS NOT THAT HARD.

[Andrius]

POWERFUL CAVALRY TO THE RESCUE.

Great timing dude.

Say goodbye to these guys (a shitty scumteam for many reasons, really, but hey); I'll send an ex-scumbuddy off with a final farewell:


KK, you just gave me the heebie-geebies with that last post.
The "I'm a Black Lantern attempting to talk to the Yellows" heebie-geebies.

[Andrius]

GOD THOSE PICTURES ARE JUST AMAZING.

8D

[Andrius]

I know.
I agree he needs to die. Soon.
Meh.
Just a gut feeling when I read that. :/

[Andrius]

No, but if you were black you could help influence Yellow.
Idk. just rubbed me wrong way.

Hey tanny you claiming scum too?

[Andrius]

Hey tanny, its because I'm ovtown and you're not.
AND MY "INVESTIGATIONS" AREN'T INVESTIGATIONS PERSAY, SO THE FRAMER CANT LOLOLOL

[Andrius]

Early day is good.
KDUB I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU ALIVE.

Dekes and MoI, anything to report?

AGM WAS SCUM. BAHAHAHAHA
KK WAS BLACK. BAHAHAHAHA

GOOD SHOOTING GUYS.

SINIESTRO IS LAST.
ONE OF TANSTALAS/KAGELORD

Somehow, I think this IS a 4:4:4:4:4:4:1 and dana tried to throw us off track.
LOOK AT THEM FLIPS.
LOOK.
NO MORE THAN 4 DEAD IN A COLOR.
Lack of Blue deaths is odd though. Either they knew Black was more of a threat than we were OR there's scum within Stove/MoI. Which makes me sad but.

[Andrius]

Stove, you might as well color me and Kdub blue in the roster. Yes, we're not dead.
But I can 100% confirm him as non-black recruiter, as can he to me.

GREAT. That was a great night IMO.

TANS WHY DID YOU LIE?!? WTFWTFWTF

[Andrius]

Tans, you have a "1 DK immune up".
WHAT IS THIS.
There have been ZERO daykills.

[Andrius]

tans, MoI is bulletproof.
And with the CLEAR instances of mod preference in regards to role distribution, I'm not surprised MoI is BP. Whether town_BP or scum_BP is unknown. Buuut if he is scum he's a bigshot. Not like there are any small-fries LEFT, but.

Things are going well. Blue's intact, Kdub and I are still here.

[Andrius]

Also, if we go on the PURE 2PR:2VT basis, MoI is also scum.
Because the scumbags seem to have 3PRs to 1VT; red had one operative, yellow has one (siniestro is probably some form of Godfather). I still believe yellow (due to the mods pushing FLAVOR-basis for roles) outpowered red, but that's for AFTER we catch Siniestro.
Good deal though.

Anyone want to claim some kills?

[Andrius]

tans, we're waiting for a reason.
Please unvote.
I agree with the notion that MoI should be deadzorz or similar, but not now.
Let's take this slowly, and wait for Kdub and Dekes.

[Andrius]

There could be shenanigans.
Star Wars mafia anyone? HRMM

KK IS DEAD, TANS

[Andrius]

HRM?
tans, KK was operative. VT.
what you talking 'bout bro?
Waiting for Dekes and Kdub.

[Andrius]

We're waiting for a couple people so we can hopefully narrow down the list of suspects. Or confirm people as scumbags.
Best thing is, though, once we get one we lynch them. Good deal.

No he claimed VT. He claimed operative, yes? Or was it just non-active role? Quote plzkthx.

[Andrius]

You silly, silly, Canadian.

predit: *facepalm*

[Andrius]

So I HIGHLY doubt there is a Roleblocker.
Unless Siniestro is a RB. Which would be odd.

So. Tans is NEAR-confirmed scum.
I like this, actually.

Waiting on Dekes and Kdub for more goodness.

[Andrius]

NO.
WE ARE NOT NO LYNCHING JUST BECAUSE I CALLED YOU NEAR-SCUM.

THANKS FOR FLAILING.
*sigh*

Goddamn though.

[Andrius]

Yeah, no kidding there, eh? We're the KKK!

Kast, Kdub, Katsuki, Kagelord, Kublai Khan...

Heck, all we're missing is KaleiÐoscøpe.

Oh hey wow.
Thanks for mod-confirming all the K--- players as scum, RC.

[Andrius]

Except you're probably scum, tanny.
There's no way out of that. Unless Dekes is a magical RB or Siniestro is, then there is NO ONE roleblocking.
And you're scum.

See, tanny? The town is good, but it will be close. Which is why we are waiting for everyone. Dekes and Kdub give input, KageLord should probably claim;

He's confirmed via me. And Spy.
OOps. Missed him somehow.

[Andrius]

tans, leave Dekes be.
I want to hear from him though. Settle something. Same earlier Q applies to MoI.

tans, you're playing scum survivalist. "oh no dont lynch me please I'll be good and do what you say". Just claim scum. You're drunk anyway.

[Andrius]

The image is broken, RC.

Except I pulled a Guilty on you. Unless I was RB'd, and there is NO evidence to suggest there is one.
I like the odds.

And you're constantly changing your "powers" and lynchability factor, and FLAILING.

[Andrius]

Dekes, go ahead and claim what it was.
We won't be around long enough to keep this up anyway.
I'd rather have you confirmed. Besides, I used a specific thing on you.

[Andrius]

Sooo... you got to act twice?

I agree with the KageLord claim though.

[Andrius]

I doubted there was a Doc until now too, actually.

Tans, you're near-confirmed scum. Deal with it.
Next time pick town.

FUCK. Dekes was RB'd? I was thinking Red Strongman, but that's out, so.

ANYWHO, Dekes is town.
I mean, TOWN.

TOWNIER THAN THOU:
Kdub
Andy
Dekes

SCUMMIER THAN THOU:
tanstalas
KageLord
Magna [?]
Kast

THOU:
Stove

[Andrius]

OH TANNY.
However do you know so much about Orange?

Seriously. Claim scum or shut up. For now.

[Andrius]

THEORY:
Town_Doc_Dekes is Enhanced by Andrius, allowing him to protect both Blue_Andy and Blue_Kdub.

tanstalas, who attempts a kill that night and realizes that there is a lack of kills CHANGES HIS CLAIM to match the lack of kills out there.
Furthermore, he would have had to personally submit a kill to know that the kill specifically failed, not out of a lack of NKs or anything.
That would mean he is not Yellow, as Goon_AGM would be more than willing to kill for his master.
Conclusion: tanstalas is probably Orange.

p.s. I almost targeted Kdub last night, thinking to increase the kills. But I really wanted to rule Dekes out of the Black-Recruiter group, so I did.
God I love being Cop. <3

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE SHOULDN'T WRITE ME OFF.

TANS YOU JUST SAID ORANGE CAN SHOOT THROUGH A DOC PROTECTION SO THERE IS NO RB REMEMBER?
I know what I said. Deal with it. Vig claim is also most likely for a SK too. You could have no-killed.
And come on. A Blue-led TOWN VIG KILL and a Odd-Night Vig?

YEAH.
RIGHT.
JUST LIKE TOWN "HIDERS".

[Andrius]

Maybe Starbuck was Macho? Mason Cop is a bit much IMO.
Did the mods not see 4 cops (to extents, ofc) as a bit much? lol

tanny, my result on you isn't the only thing driving your scumship. YOUR PLAY, for one.

[Andrius]

You went from "im unlynchable period" to "im oneshot bulletproof and oneshot lynchproof" overnight. That must be a really cool role to be able to mutate each night as you are in deeper and deeper suspicion. MoI, you agree? xD

I'm operating under the pretenser you are the SK, tans. Not the odd-night vig. As SK you wouldn't kill last night for that reason; or at least pass off a failed kill attempt as a "oh i cant shoot even nights" dealio.

You're not IN the caps lock alliance.

[Andrius]

Updaated List:

TOWNIER THAN THOU:
Kdub
Andy
Dekes
MoI

SCUMMIER THAN THOU:
tanstalas
KageLord
Kast

THOU:
Stove

Andy/Kdub, why did you give MoI the kill tonight? I hope that confirms him to you in anyway, otherwise I'm not sure I understand that action.

Its too late for games; I targeted you, as per the Indigo wallpaper-crumb earlier on.
I was actually hoping he'd target MoI. Glad to see he did.

Yeah, definitely targeting Dekes. You do your thing.

Hot damn this game is going great. 4/4 scum lynches.

KageLord, if you want to claim, now would be a good time.

[Andrius]

"Golden Standard Stove".

Oh yeah, it was a Cop. Good deal.

KageLord, when you see this CLAIM.

[Andrius]

I support the Tanny votes though.

TOWNIER THAN THOU:
Andy
Kdub
Dekes
MoI
Stove

SCUMMIER THAN THOU:
tanstalas
KageLord
Kast

The people in the bottom category all need to be killed tonight, if not lynched today. No other choices are acceptable.

[Andrius]

tanstalas is flailing scum.
Seriously, guys.
We have a 75% scum-lynch-rate if we randomly shoot someone not in the "TOWNIER THAN THOU" category.

[Andrius]

Think of it this way then; if you are lynched and town then we go to "no lynch" supposedly; you shoot one of the otherscumbags tonight, we do the same; badda-bing badda-boom two dead scum and one more for the noose tomorrow.

[Andrius]

Do you not see how desperate you sound?
Seriously. You've either Orange or Black, and need death either way.
KageLord is therein Siniestro.
If I had to call now:
Kast as Black
tanny as OJ.
TOUCHDOWN, BLUE LANTERNS.

[Andrius]

Which part of my lynch Kast/Kagelord shoot the other and shoot me part of my plan do you not approve of?

The part where you live until tonight.
Especially if you're bulletproof_SK.

[Andrius]

Not sure what the smilie face after the question to me is supposed to mean.

Oh, I just figured you'd appreciate the dripping sarcasm. That's all.

Hey I wasn't THE mod. Honestly, when it was all said and done I didn't even think about Scummies. I was just happy it was over with all the pomp ad circumstance. XD

I think he could flip Orange, IMO. KageLord has always been the Yellow candidate in my mind.

OBTW, the reason I couldn't work with nopoint was becauase Motivating a Hider isn't possible, and danakillsu basically said that I couldn't motivaate a Hider/Commuter, so I knew that he was probably lying.

[Andrius]

Man.
Isn't this town sooooo lucky?
TWO JOATs?
Hot damn we're looking good.
Especially ones with amazing powers (that sadly can't be confirmed).

Daaaaaaaaang.
At least we don't have to worry about bussing anymore.

[/sarcasm]

[Andrius]

Andy once Kast rolls in with whatever crap he's going to spew we can lynch Tans.

I agree with this sentiment.

Dekes has a good point though; Kast and KageLord are incriminating the other like hells yeah. Odd how there are two yet neither CC'd the other. Meh. I think they're both scum trying not to step on anyones toes, and just kill people at night. >8D

My approach:
N1: Investigate RIGHT OFF THE BAT. ALWAYS DO THIS FIRST
N2: Probably would have still shot Stepho
N3: Protect SpyreX

[Andrius]

Kast, its not that PRs are non-black.
Its that I can CONFIRM PRs.
And JOATs aren't exactly the same as normal PRs.
1) non-consistent
2) highly unproveable

Responding in detail now:
Why redirect FROM MoI? He was on the death-list, and claimed bulletproof.
If he weren't town via Kdub I'd suspect both of you together.

I think it should be clear and obvious that I'm the ONLY person who would even attempt to do anything to KK.

Had I not been forced to target Indigo_PR, I would have targeted KK.

Dana won't confirm whether their initial heads-up note to me means Black started recruiting the night Plum died or the night after Plum died,

but from PMing RC, I think I'm right about that suspicion.

Oh ReaperCharlie.

Kast, you forget that MOI IS CONFIRMED TOWN VIA KDUB.

@Kdub-
Does your power confirm a player as non-scum or as non-Red/Yellow/Orange?

You can answer this. I think its safe to do so; we have scum in a chokehold right now.
It goes for me as well, Kast. Though I'm obviously more restricted than he.

I'm just going to share that Andy is immune to Black Recruiting via my protection ability.

Cool beans. Oddly similar to Succession Mafia though.

IF black is limited to VTs then...
WAIT.
WHY PROTECT ME IF THEY CAN ONLY RECRUIT VTS?
I think some timestamps may in order.

@Remaining scum-
I'd mark Tans as probable last Yellow with Kage as probable Orange SK. If Tans isn't Yellow, then there's also a weak chance that Stove is Yellow GF (I don't think Andy or Kdub has confirmed Stove, correct me if I'm wrong on that thought). Tans lynch works for today. If he is the last Yellow, then his unlynchable claim has got to be a bluff. If is town, then he'll be alive and un-NK-able and his vig kill can semi-clear him depending who he shoots.

YO! What's all this about? :S

If Black has an additional limitation to only recruiting Operatives, then Stove is likely the next target for tonight.

Agreed.
Or MoI. If they can get away with that.

Buuuut there's a part of me that wonders if this whole "black lantern" thing is a hoax. Meh.
We'll kill all the "Scummer than thou" players and find out.

[Andrius]

tanny is at L-1.
Anything else we need to do today?

There'll be time for questions with Kast before the hammer though.

Who wants to hammer a scumbag today?

[Andrius]

Bluh.

I've been looking back at KK's iso.

It's REALLY REALLY weird how he suddenly goes off on Kast for no apparent reason.

I think KK was signaling Kast is the recruiter.

I think KK wanted Kast lynched so KK would revert to town.

Discuss?

UNVOTE: tans while you guys decide if I'm smoking moonbeams.

Wait hang on.
You're saying KK WAS black yesterday.

We should probably ISO hunt both KK and Toog. :/ Might be good.

[Andrius]

Sorry, Kast. I should, but I've also got half the playerlist as confirmed town and the other half being 75% scum. HRMMM NOT THAT HARD.
Except MoI had a blue shot that got redirected, not a SK kill

I see what you're saying; that MoI could be SK and killed Kast SOMEHOW KNOWING that Kdub would give him a shot so he gambled on it.
Hmmm.
Something to consider.

I think we need to be really careful.
If tanny flips Orange (which he's more likely to do than kage) then MoI is confirmed town. If he doesn't people should be a bit more wary of MoI.

When I die and flip town, you NEED TO PAY ATTENTION and LYNCH MOI.

One step ahead of you. If you flip town, he hangs. Him and Kage and tanny.

OK.
KDUB AND I ONLY WORK ON TOWN.
Kdub and I can target anyone, but the power only works on town. So anyone can get targeted for a gun; only town get it. I can target anyone, but only if they're town (and a PR) do they get motivated.

In hindsight it fits. We didn't publically know non-VTs until after the protect. Sorry about that.

HEY HEY HEY OK.

@ TANNY, KAGELORD, KAST:

There are 3 scum. Since we all think its all of you three, and each of you thinks yourself to be town: who is scum #3?


I agree with Kdub's plan. Scum either can RB him and prevent us from killing or RB me/Dekes and prevent us from protecting. So they'll either get shot or their shot will fail.

[Andrius]

No, tans is the lynch for today. Barring me being roleblocked, we have THE BEST evidence on him: concrete Cop results. dana even confirmed my power should work on even/odd night roles, so it should have worked if he were town.

Night Five Guide for Townies

The following people shall be considered confirmed town until the Black Recruiter dies, and are not to be killed:

TOWNIER THAN THOU:
Andrius Walker
Kdub
MagnaofIllusion
Dr. Dekes, Ph.D

These people need to die, and are sanctioned kills by the Blue Lantern Corps (The new masonry):

SCUMMIER THAN THOU:
tanstalas (in case he doesn't lynch)
KageLord
Kast

THOU:
The Stove

Individual basis:
Kdub will target someone outside of Dekes and Andy.
Andy will target Dekes.
Dekes will double-protect Kdub and Andy.
KageLord vig-shoots Kast.
Blue Bullet receiver shoots Kast.

Kdub, for curiosity's sake, who are you, role wise?

KAST: Our powers only work on townies. So MoI, assuming he wasn't faking and is orange, is confirmed town.

Makes tons of sense; it's such a winning play to make a fake claim with the intention of getting people to not believe you and thus try to NK you.

I love sarcasm. This made me laugh.


ALSO I like how all the non-dead Green claimants claimed Vigs.
Seriously.
We have:
2 oneshot kills
a blue kill
an oddnight kill

Man we're soooooo lucky with all these vig kills.

[Andrius]

Oh. ^,^;
Well, we can't trust KageLord which is why we're shooting like this.

I wish I were shooting again. Want to make up for the Stepho shot. a 0% accuracy rate sucks this game, but it only drags my overall score to 6/7.


WAIT. Dekes you only work on town too? Nice!
I THOUGHT SpyreX operated the same way.

I

think he'll flip orange. or black. not yellow.

Someone should definitely shoot KageLord tonight though. Him and Kast. If that doesn't end the game we'll look into Stove/MoI.