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OK. I have read what Vi has told me, and she advised me against certain things. I had asked her about Parama's softclaim. I just skimmed Parama in iso, and I realize that he just dropped a bomb on someone basically. I have played with Parama before, in both extended games and marathon days, and I am familiar with his play. Seeing that in a skim of his iso didn't really surprise me, although Vi was a little put off that there was a daytime ability in a nighttime game that has night cycling. W/E.
I have been REALLY sick - ataxia, fever, congestion, coughing... bad virus. I am going to read the thread now. Expect a primetime post.-
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TheLonging, good gut, bro.
It took me a few hours to read the thread. Basically, MoI and a few others shot around some setup speculation. Parama passed a bomb/hot potato to muh... he exploded... hold off on voting diddin right now, though, because we as a town need to force him to use his dayvig ability on who we want him to use it on as opposed to the scum getting to direct it assuming he is scum like you feel.-
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tired of waiting on Vi!
First and foremost, Parama is probably town. Vi felt it was funny that he had claimed a dayuse ability in a game with night-use abilities listen in the topic post. However, I felt like he was town regardless of his weird claim. Vi even agreed with "at the time parama is probably town for reasons you're suspecting... and now probably the same". Even if the bomb went off on a townie, said townie lacked reading skills, so c'est la vie. Would we want that kid around in lylo? I don't think so. The only thing that doesn't sit right with me was when Parama was fishing with the "no 'go town!' post?". You can't really blame Parama for us losing our watcher ability, and in this setup with so many roles that will be visiting, I'd say the watcher role in general would be weaker than normal anyways. If it was me with the watcher role, though, and I got passed a bomb, you better believe I would have passed the bomb to someone else ASAP... so therefore I do not blame Parama, and I view that situation as being null in general. I wish he would post less one-linery things, but that really is just how he plays... sigh
As of Implosions post #31, I would personally love to see if this guy can be lynched. Who is to say he isn't scum who got the shaft and just got a voteless ability? I suppose he would end up getting caught up in that... in his #40 where he's like "someone would have caught that my vote didn't count" my counter-argument is why did you vote at all? I would rather you have not said anything about this! also his #47... is that how treestumps normally work? i always thought they can't gain votes. i really, really, really want to test this. i feel like he is lying scum. Also, it's funny to me (or hinky as babyspice would say!) that implosion and pops always post back-to-back. Sure, in his #31, claiming it ahead of time seems pro-town, but who is to say that he couldn't do that as scum? I'm not going to vote him, but I have my eye on him. Also in his #40 I suppose you could say he attempted to confirm his treestumpness, but to me I always felt like you had to actually stump before it worked, as opposed to it being natural. His role feels like a reverse-floridian to me where he is voteless more than a stump, and I really feel he might be scum. To reiterate, though, I am not entirely sure on him and do not want to lead a mislynch.
Diddin needs to be monitored on his claim. We should publicly vote on who he should use his ability on. That is the only way we can make sure that he doesn't pull a parama and cause us to lose another PR.
I'm liking MoI's guidelines, but I feel that he is a good enough player to have this pre-made regardless of alignment, and adapt it to how the gameflow is going. Vi agreed with me on this. We feel like MoI is making it look like he is gaming the setup to find a loophole in the game. Pops and Narsis are also guilty of this.
RedCoyote's #84 is both scummy and lacking direction. I've gotten him lynched as a townie, and he posted completely differently than he did there. Whereas he responded to pops and implosion (two people I have my eye on) a lot, his post has NO CONCLUSION. I will await judgment on this, though, because I don't want to tunnel on all the active people... scum can lurk!
On page 3, I read MoI vs Pops to not be town on town, just mainly gut on game-speculation-argumentation. In MoI's #109, I really like his questioning of Narsis, CKD, and RedCoyote... a few people I casually have my eye on as well... so that means pops is the scum in that.
By confirming this, you would essentially be forcing a no lynch... if he isn't lying, and is merely voteless. Furthermore, you KNOW the town isn't going to get behind this. This is just distancing/trying to gain a no lynch in my opinion and I'm reading it as severely anti-town.popsofctown wrote:Vote: implosion. No harm in confirming this.
The bolded here really reads wrong to mepopsofctown wrote:ok.
Real posts, when i use the term at least, are posts that move you towards your wincon substantially, and make you a readable player. Scum want to be unreadable, and are more likely to post one liners like you are doing.
What are the risks of trying to kill implosion's ability? Is the worst case scenario really a mafia doc saving the guy? A vigilante would miss getting a kill that night, but he wasn't guaranteed to shoot correctly anyhow. While this treestump ability makes us autolose LyLo, so it is the equivalent of an entire player, guaranteed.
I'm thinking maybe we ought to remove implosion's ability from the game. If you're town, please argue for or against that without appeals to fear, mkay?
Even I skimmed it. Is it that hard to read?popsofctown wrote:Magna, the stump ability, specifically, is not very bad early. It makes the controller voteless. It's harmless UNTIL endgame.
and im not reading a mini
I'll give proof I did: Jack commonly was like "I know 3 town and 3 scum... more on that later" then
"I know 6 town and 3 scum... more on that later"... I'll admit I didn't finish a read, but I wanted to get a gist of how everything would go. It's only ~30 pages IIRC. Your refusal to do that is anti-town.
Also your #15 in iso is IIoA, with a weak vote on a null-situation that lacks reasoning
Your #17 in iso feels like it is pushing parama's post back to bury it in the thread
I actually COMPLETELY disagree with this. If Parama was scum he would simply pass it to someone who wasn't scum, possibly muh. If Parama was town, he would find someone who was a moron/scum to pass it to without really asking... possibly muh. Null.popsofctown wrote:
Because your many times as likely to ask if you're part of a faction?Parama wrote:pops, what would I have to gain by saying "The mod clarified it without me asking him to" instead of "The mod clarified it with me asking him to"? I don't even see why this is a big deal.
You are scum, pops.
Speaking of you being scum, this to me reads as a scumslip.popsofctown wrote:I feel strawmanned. I'm arguing that the manner in which Parama received clarification and how he described it sounds suspect. Of course I wouldn't suggest that theme games infrequently require clarification.
In your #20 in iso you poison the well, only to refute your own argument. Your last line of it ends up being "not playing the victim here", when you ARE doing that in that post, and you WERE doing that in the post you made RIGHT BEFORE THAT. ARE YOU DENSE? YOU ARE MAKING ME FEEL LIKE FATE. GEEZ.
treestumping DOES NOT REMOVE SCUMHUNTING OK?popsofctown wrote:It's antitown the entire game. Putting off the task of removing it will just make it more difficult :/
for god's sakepopsofctown wrote:unvote: Parama
really? this far into a game, and an unvote without any explanation!
In his #23 in iso, "diddin is scummy" into him coaching diddin, and a cute comment about how RC is "hard to read"... not for me... I've seen RC as town in a game, and this isn't how he plays. On top of that, your speculation towards him seems forced.
Your #24 is trying to beg the town to excuse you for pushing a case on a null-tell on what you know to be a townie because you're scum
#25 yet again your interaction with diddin with the "reminds me of my own tendencies when i play scum" is like trying to guide a fledgling scumbuddy into the lategame simply based upon the fact that he's a PR you don't want to lose
he then chainsaws wrathchild somewhat with an FoS because he is suspicious of diddin. Sure, guys, lets lynch the noob. So, basically, he is pushing a null case on Parama when anyone would have done what he did regardless of alignment (actually scum would have picked a GOOD player to bomb who was V/LA imo), and is now defending scum by calling his attacker "scummy". Are you afraid to say he's scum? Do you not like to lie. You are scum. I don't mind saying it. I know I'm not, and you could be, and my heart is telling me you are, so I'll say what I feel. You are scum, you are scum, you are scum.
your lack of willingness to use the word scum vs scummy is noted, though most will disagree with me on that mattering. Then you say "but the only way wrathchild would no that is if he were scum and diddin were town, not the reverse" note how he used "no" instead of "know". I'm finding this to be a scumslip, but I'm already tunneling him, so finding his scumslips are ezpz.-
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lack of voting =/= unlynchable, so you could be pulling the wool over our eyes. Can you concede that point?implosion wrote: Why did I vote as all? Lets say I didn't vote at all. A few pages later, a random person asks me why I haven't voted yet. Ergo, I claim. Easy test to prove that I'm unlynchable: have the person I pass the treestump to confirm it. I don't think this is how a standard treestump works, I think this is just an ability that kunk put in the game that he decided to call treestump for lack of a better name.
I just don't want to write you off as town because of this. Coming out the way you did was pro-town, though.
Apology accepted.EtherealCookie wrote:Yeah, I apologize about the reading bit.
Defend Diddin? Hardly. I messed up when posting, despite the fact I even got to preview, but let me fix it right now. I think Diddin is the second scummiest.Saint wrote:Yeah. EC even failed to quote pops, casually defends diddin, attacks parama...
Vi agrees that EC is a top scumspect too
I'm willing to vote any of these guys, but we really need to force diddin to shoot someone before we do anything
Agreed. It's a terrible reason for voting, just like his reason for passing the bomb to Muh.WrathChild wrote:Now that I've explained the Scumday comment, I also find Parama's attack on me rather scummy and baseless for the most part. Take a minute and look at his attack, "Oh Well Muh was town... Let's get the real scum! VOTE: Wrath" followed by the scumday case, which basically states, "Come on guys! Don't you see it? Scum like to do things like that!"
At the moment, Parama strikes me as the most scummy; Diddin follows.
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And in response to I Am Innocent's question, I once again state that it is rather scummy for Diddin to simple state he gets town vibes from Parama without explaining. Now, if you accused me of casually defending WrathChild, I could see where you're coming from, but Diddin? Not at all. And yes, I shall attack Parama, because I believe he is scum and I have rationale to back my vote. That is not a scumtell.
Nothing on Pops? Really? Actually, the two above TheLonging are from Pops. My apologies for the bad quoting once again. So, right now, everything you've said is false besides me attacking Parama. I am doing that, yes. Furthermore, I get a town read from Pops. He is solid on what to do with Diddin and he is actively scum hunting, such as him pointing out Wrath Child's paranoia. I do not like how he says he's okay with that as a daykill so early on, however.
However, you are claiming you didn't casually defend diddin?
You didn't quote him multiple times to clarify something for him to someone else?
are you denying that openly?
I will go and quote the exactness of it if you'd like
You may not have defended him as in like "yo, he's not scum", but you helped him.
I'm really hoping you're just being misguided town here, bro, because if you're feeling pops is town your scumdar is off.
If I've misinterpreted anything from your post other than what I've addressed here, blame it on misquoting.
I vote we use the dayvig ability on implosion
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q21
1. Vi reminded me to "not forget to vote" and to edit the top two or three paragraphs, downsizing them to make them more concise like 4 minutes after I gave up on waiting for her to suggest things to change (it had been roughly thirty minutes to an hour, and I had things to be doing) - i'm pretty sure it caused her to blush, lol, you'll have to get back to her on that one.
2. TMH has largely been suspicious of a lot of the people I have. I have also been liking you, and quadz. I had an original town read on thelonging, but where has he been? also with TMH bringing up that recent point, even if flavor, the mod needs to say IT IS FLAVOR if it is not a clue in the op.
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i had a really good laugh at quadz talking about parama
i am actually somewhat satisfied at pops responding to me, and i will feel much more comfortable with lynches after we begin to see ability-passing-correlations. Someone who has good rhetoric and logic skills should clarify exactness on this with Kunk. Definitely not me, i'll misconstrue everything, or at the least be misinterpreted myself.
I have been sort of wishy-washy on Implosion, but I do not feel he is the lynch today, because if he is lying he has given us a free scum lynch on d2, If he says "I passed my ability to Player A" and Player A died, however, we will lynch him for that as well.
@implosionDO NOT say who you are passing your ability to, because I don't want you to cop out.
If you are confirmed to have not been lying about being a "treestump", though it is HARDLY that... because stumping is a declared action... then sure I'll be ok with you living barring a miscorrelation of ability passing which would indicate you as scum. HOWEVER, I doubt that will be the case. You will either claim that you sent your ability to a player who has died in the night, and then your scumbuddies will go "well, geez, guys, at least we lost a useless treestump ability that helped mafia!" when in fact it was contrived. Sorry to go off on a WIFOM rant, but I'm just letting you know that regardless of whether or not the rest of the thread are going to, I'm going to hold you accountable on d2 to see if your "ability" is confirmed.
I have not liked Narsis
If he is town, he needs to post in a more town-manner.
He is not doing so, and I feel is hypocritical
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your activity level is definitely adequate
read narsis or helghast in iso
there are two players who have YET TO POST
mafiascum deadlines are different than teamliquid or most other mafia websites in that the cycles last FOREVER
basically, take your time, wrathchild. Considering the terminology that you're using, though, I would ask for you to discontinue playing the noob card. Thanks in advance!-
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FoS me for me being willing to lynch you?AntB wrote:
Your happy to vote me, yet have made no mention of me or aired any suspicions? The post I've quoted is the only one that contains my name in it.Saint wrote:p.s. I would also be happy voting EC or AntB
FoS Saint
Isn't that similar to OMGUS a little bit?
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I had a big post to respond to AntB, but I guess it is irrelevant!
agree with you on the pro-townness of that actionI Am Innocent wrote:My 2 cents...Implosion had no reason to out the power that he did other than in town interest.
Scum would know they would be a target D1/N1 based on trying to get this anti town role out of the game.
Scum would not lie about the power because they know a town would get the role and verify D2 (unless they and the power were DK'd or NK'd).
Scum Implosion would have kept this power quiet and just subtly passed it on N1.
Town Implosion would have brought this up to the group D1.
The biggest problem now though is getting rid of this power. Based on above, I don't want to get rid of this power on a player that is probably a townie. But can we afford to wait, esp if Diddin is NK'd and his power lost to the void (or whatever happens to it)?
I am sure we have some protection role(s), and I would think that they would consider protecting Diddin with a 50% to 75% likelihood.
PS - Still out of state with family for the holidays, can hopefully chip in more after the new year.
My plan in relation to this action is to pass it on to a VI-town player
Whoever Implosion determines is both pro-town and VI
benefits of this
- Scum can't push lynch on said VI
- VI loses vote, can't indirectly hurt town with bad voting
reasons, for once, it's not me
- I am improving my game
- Vi is in the Hydra with me, so auto-not-VI this game
So, basically, either pass it to scum or policy-pass it imo
I like this post from diddindiddin wrote:
I hope to god this is Furcolow who posted this.Saint wrote:
No doc is going to protect youdiddin wrote:Never mind then. Still works if there is a doc or something on me though.
if a doc would protect you he is an idiot
The town is going to vote on who you shoot if I have any say about it
A doc protect would insure I pass off my dayvig power tonight. Why is a doc an idiot for protecting me?
Also we've already decided to vote on who I shoot.
The only way this makes sense is if you think I'm one-shot, in which case you're seriously blind.
pops has gotten more protown. AntB hasn't. HoSing someone for being a newb, then throwing around a ton of suspicion on Sait while keeping a vote on Narsis for voting for gut. Earlier he FoS's Saint for ...swearing and randomly posting... yeah.
+town points
This also brings me to the next point I wanted to address, too!
We need to bring up who diddin should shoot
I would rather see a vig hit on Narsis or EC than WraithChild
RedCoyote, despite being on a few people's town list, is someone else I wouldn't mind shot because of his post #84. I don't feel he is posting as he does as town. At one point, it should even be considered a slip I picked up on in his post #84 in that it completely lacked direction and was mere responses to players. I also felt like it lacked a conclusion/substance and as such I'm fairly certain if shot he would flip scum.-
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I actually have to take back what I said here. Doc protection might be the best thing that could happen, but I don't want anything directed in case of them having a role that can stalk or intercept, or something we simply don't understand yet. Playing slow and cautiously is the best in this setup, as we will get to see who is not scum with who based upon the passing of abilities and who dies.Saint wrote:
No doc is going to protect youdiddin wrote:Never mind then. Still works if there is a doc or something on me though.
if a doc would protect you he is an idiot
The town is going to vote on who you shoot if I have any say about it
Me saying "WE AS A TOWN ARE DIRECTING YOUR KILL", themanhimself, is "protecting one of my buddies with a threat of retribution"? Wouldn't this imply:
1) I have buddies
a. I am town, so my buddies are unknown to me
b. if I was scum, would you expect to "catch me" with this ploy? I don't believe something like this would work. Where is this flak coming from? I had been reading you as town, but I'm not understanding you misinterpreting me. I see scum going for my lynch very often, as I am an easy mislynch typically, but with Vi in the hydra coaching me this is less so.
2) I would act anti-town through said retribution
a. this implies we would need retribution, which means diddin would be acting against the town's wishes, and would be anti-town and probable scum
b. in fact, wanting a general consensus from the uninformed majority is pro-town, bro
this leads me on to MoI's recent postings, which I feel the need to address. I agree with many of his reads, and am nearly willing to push for pops hardcore. I also like themanhimself's vote on EC. I'd be happy lynching either of these, or Narsis, who has been generally posting no content whatsoever, or what little content he has posted hasn't been worth a fuck.
MoI, we don't need to hold diddin accountable through getting rid of him as scum NOW. Of course I want to medic protect/doctor save him from vigs/hits(if he's actually town, on the off chance) to keep the ability alive... although he said it is possibly limited? If there is only 1 kill, and he wastes it/uses it on town, what's the use in the ability anyways? where the ability has to pass to town, if he's scum, who is to say they won't pass it to their hit? I will want to know who he passed it to, and if the person ends up dying then he will end up frying. I really hope this doesn't happen, and I am actually somewhat leaning on him being town. Kind of neutral on him, but he has helped his image recently with me as opposed to hurting it. I am just worried that he will end up dead, or the person he passes his ability to will.
Typically when people have "passed their ability to a dead player" they are just looking for an easy out.
I don't care to lynch diddin on d2 or d3 if we find out on d3 that he has passed his ability incorrectly, or in the d2 scenario if he has acted against the town's wishes.
I have generally not had success with lynching lurkers d1, as they are easy targets for scumpushing just as much as VIs like myself are. For this reasoning, and anything I have said previously... which I feel like my statements have changes little... I am very willing to lynch pops/ec/helghast as opposed to someone like Narsis who I feel is more apt to be vig bait.
town imo:
MoI - agree with his reads
CKD - posting similar to his town meta from MoHO
Q21 - very pro-town posting
Lateralus22 - based upon thelonging, who was my first town read (ask Vi)
proposed target:
and I had to really think about this one... but helghast
I feel like he has been posting fluff
He has a post that incriminates WC, who he could be trying to baby
I went to see votes on him, and I'm happy to see pops... I hope he doesn't jump off if it gets wagonned... that would just betoo easy
like I said in (i believe it was #372? just saw Vi reference it.. wait no it'd have to be previous to that.. let me check... well, I can't find it, nm.
It's 8am and I haven't been to bed. Real life has been hectic.
I'll cut this short, but I like MoI recently...a lot
vote to dayvig: narsis
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quadz, AntB is someone I had discussed with Vi.
It felt like it was public knowledge more than it was.
I am sorry that I was wrong about that, and that is why I am not pushing a wagon and trying to spotlight this game.
I am merely providing a wise opinion and FoS. I don't mind you doing the same to me here whatsoever.
StrangerCoug, I like how you at least attempt to understand me in your post nearing 500
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OK, I'm completely caught up.
I would be happy lynching any of the people I have aforementioned, with pops added to the list.
I feel like a doctor-protected-semi-confirmed-town MoI would be very beneficial to the town on D2
Here's to hoping scum didn't get the doctor ability~ (it is likely in town hands! here here.)
I am actually going tounvote; vote: pops
before pops has the time to deter the wagon on his scumbuddy helghast who is merely a lurker scum who doesn't care as much-
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In the cyclical nature of this game, I am not sure what the scum have.StrangerCoug wrote:
Have you considered the possibility of a Mafia roleblocker at all? If there is one and the Mafia finds out who the doctor is, they may put the doctor under scrutiny by keeping roleblocking him or her while killing off the people to whom he or she is directed. Also, I haven't seen it, but according to the Wiki we may also run into a "macho" version of a role (i.e. one that cannot be doc-protected).Saint wrote:Red, Directing the doctor is more town or null imo , and is lynch diddin or wc that bad? Ppl are accusing, and I understand pressure as town is good.
this is not a direct contradiction as the game flowsdiddin wrote:I was busy like hell today as I think I posted a while back.
I'm vigging Helghast TOMORROW unless there are serious reasons why I shouldn't. It provides more connections than if I were to shoot WC (powerrox adamantly defending him, Saint HEAVILY attacking WC last minute)
Saint 25 wrote:I would rather see a vig hit on Narsis or EC than WraithChild
Direct Contradiction. I say hang him.Saint 33 wrote:Vig wc
Unvote, Vote: Saint
i was being pressured of buddying with the above comment, so that is why i even posted that
are you dense?
I am basically saying "I don't really care, because I don't know his alignment"
is that a claim?RedCoyote wrote:Quit stalling, diddin.
q21, sorry. I admit I skimmed;I'm a bad townie. I'm also a hypocrite in the sense that I build walls but get upset when I have to read other people's walls. To compensate, I don't usually expect people to read mine (except for what I've addressed to them).
MOII have had people try to make associations between me and WC
I have had a person try to make associations with me between me and diddin
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also, quadz, scummy=/=scum
you must be reading me incorrectly
if there's anything i can verify for you, go right ahead
i don't believe i've even been voted this game, and i've been FoSed 4 times now. Every time, except for TMH, has lacked any reasoning.
TMH apologized for "his wall" which was really just entirely made up of one liners responding to null points whenever a wagon was put on him. I see that as scum forced to fake activity and wall posting.-
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likely storythemanhimself wrote:So is the main case people have against me the fact that I brought up a no lynch? Because I think that's being really over exaggerated. I brought it up as an idea that had pros and cons and I admitted as much. I honestly saw it as something to consider, I didn't push for it, I didn't vote for it nor did I try to distance myself from it. I said maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea and left it at that.
@Saint- I forgot I was voting at all, UNVOTE: nhammen, VOTE: Saint.
you must be scum
town have no reason to not follow their votes
he then unvotes, votes powerrox
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I'm on #917, but
DARLAwhy did you not protect MoI if you had a doctor ability with him being pro-town and likely to be hit? I'm about to vote you for not protecting him.
Who are you claiming to have protected?
You also needed to claim you passed an ability on, not what it was
I passed an ability on myself, but I'm not going to say to who or what it was...
I agree with Parama. I feel if we take the time to sort this out we can begin to have a scumteam emerge and begin to right off who is partnered with who. Do you all REALLY care about abilities, or do you care about winning the damn game? Nothing would make me happier than a scumlynch, and the way to get one is if the entire town isn't living scared and is actually making people accountable for their actions. I for one wouldn't mind losing a made up ability darla is claiming to have passed on which I find to be bullshit and am a hair away from voting over...
claim who you protected, or i'm going to be voting you-
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nhammen, can you refrain from posting quotes that are like 10 weeks old? (exaggeration!)
modprod darla, I had a very relevant question for her to answer, and I don't want her dodging it
if she does not claim who she protected with her ability last night, we need to lynch her
if she did not protect MoI, what the hell, why not? He was the leader of the town, and he is dead.-
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CKD's 929 is a bit... heated?mod, care to ask him to tone it down? I don't want that directed towards me, and risking myself a modkill, and CKD doesn't like me... so please get him to refrain from the attitude/tone. Thanks!
I am not really sure to blame anyone for powerrox's play being idiotic, but this whole pops argument definitely is someone i'll be looking at. At first I was suspicious of both him and implosion, but we'll see how the ability passing plays out on d3. I suspect one of them is town at the least, and I don't want to lose either of them if they're town because of how active and good they seem.SEEMINGtown and being town are two different stories. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these was the active scum.
nhammen, also, i just noticed your whole "antb" thing...
You realize I am playing with someone who is giving me advice? I had talked about AntB in my quicktime with my hydra-partner, and I assumed I had mentioned it. I felt like he was dodgy, but it turned out he was just a townie. Sorry to double post, guys, and I'm going out right now in my Santa Fe to a friends... I'll be possibly on, on my phone, but it depends on what I'm getting into.
I'm not saying "I don't view you as town", nhammen, but you're barking up the wrong tree here.
I have accrued what, 1 vote? The reasoning noone is voting me is because the game has a good read on me, I have been scumhunting, and my posting has been beneficial for the town. If it wasn't for MoI being an amazing player, and him being so suspicious of bunnylover, I myself may have been victim of that lynch, and then we would have lost an ability from the game... Losing the ability may have been a good or bad thing, I'm not sure, we'll see on day 3 won't we!
Quick note on Darla, FoS for sure until you answer me, because I don't see why you didn't out that!
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I am DEFINITELY voting bunnylover, though, as he claimed an ability he CANT have received from MoI. What, did MoI pass that along from the grave?
VOTE: : bunnylover
MoI = town, died before abilities are passed
bunnylover = claimed to have received an ability from a player who died
bunnylover = troll/scum
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This slot has not received the Virus, but presumably that's because of the mod's schedule. (cut: this is no longer true)
Switching off Furcautopilot because there's no reason for me to sit around and let this slot die. Offhand the best person to take it is Parama, since he wants to die anyway <_< Plus I'm p. sure Wrathchild is Town getting framed.
The other good targets IMO (note that Furcolow's views are not my own and I haven't pressed my views on Furcolow) are:
*nhammen (rep. EtherealCookie)
*popsofctown
*Bunnylover
roughly in order of preference. I've wanted those first two to die, like, all game and no time is too soon.
Where did RedCoyote go? I really want to list him third or fourth but I can't remember anything he's done recently.
Lateralus and ckd are also people of interest - the former for going after TMH (whose wagon I didn't get), and the latter for possibly slipping and being whinier than helpful (nice attempt to appeal to my meta though).
I've only kept a loose eye on the thread because I'm supposed to be helping Furc first and foremost, but those are the reads I've picked up along the way.
Much as I'd love the chance to pass the potato to nhammen or pops really the Virus ability is only good for swatting down nonparticipants who can't (or don't want to) pass it away, so it's going to Parama. Furc can argue with me over this later when he gets back.
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StrangerCoug wrote:
The hell? Didn't we make a big fuss early today about itSaint wrote:This slot has not received the Virus, but presumably that's because of the mod's schedule. (cut: this is no longer true)
Switching off Furcautopilot because there's no reason for me to sit around and let this slot die. Offhand the best person to take it is Parama, since he wants to die anyway <_<NOTbeing good to pass it to Parama for wanting to die?Must have missed it.
Really though - because the player has to actually SEE that they have the Virus (as in pick up the PM) and THEN decide to do nothing for 75 posts, the only people who wouldn't pass it off are people who are suicidal (Parama) or people who don't understand what "death" means (muh). It's in nobody's best interest to keep it except people who are actively willing to drag the game down and want out.
The other option is to keep passing it around forever, which is annoying for everyone and tells us nothing because it CAN be passed between scumpartners.
Cut: Or maybe Furcolow's decision will override my own, since I didn't get a message confirmation that I know of. Whatever.-
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i am NOT caught up, although i've read page 46 (so maybe I am?)
i expected the bomb to die with darla, honestly, and her to be scum
her recent post doesn't convince me that she is not blue, but Vi has convinced me to wait to d3 to push her if noone gets doctor
Vi doesn't like nhammen, Vi has great reads usually, so lets let the virus be a town kill and get posts out there-
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nhammen wrote:I'd like Vi to explain why he believes A) Wrath is framed Town, and B) why these three (including myself) are "good targets". Unless he sees that as being beyond what he is supposed to be doing in this game. (If I am understandng the intent of this hydra correctly)I said it, so I can be held accountable for it.
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lets use it democratically to lynch scumStrangerCoug wrote:Saint wrote:lets let the virus be a town killTHE HELL!?
are you seriously considering that a slip?
don't even start mudslinging and misrepresentation, or I will accuse you of slander. You are borderline for it here, and if you're scum, you're asking for it.
On what grounds?Bunnylover wrote:Ok I seriously think Saint should die <_<.
The virus can be passed between anyone, regardless of alignement.
And what is it exactly I'm missing?nhammen wrote:
Yeah, good evidence. Also, thanks for doing the background check on Darla. Seems to imply to me that if one of you is scum, the other isn't.StrangerCoug wrote:
She did voice a little bit of suspicion of you in her ISO 8, but didn't follow up on it. In fact, that's the only time she mentions you. I think we have a Mafiosa, and her name is DBE.popsofctown wrote:Wow, DBE sent me the virus, in spite of never having indicated suspicion of me, iirc
UNVOTE: Bunnylover
VOTE: DarlaBlueEyes
You know that we can be wrong either way. We can't assume that our reads are correct. That way leads to confirmation bias. So yes, both are scummy, but only one can be scum. We have ideas and hypotheses about which one, but we can't know until a flip. So what are you saying here, Innocent?I Am Innocent wrote:You know if Diddin indeed has the Bus Driver Ability, that he cannot be scum teammates with TMH, right?
Agree with both of these statements in post 1100, but I don't think I agree with the repeated Parama bashing that occurs later in this post, except the argument int the following quote:quadz08 wrote:I’m liking LMP’s case on Darla more and more as I read it… hm.
When was this, exactly? I don’t recall him saying anything resembling that.Nero Cain 858 wrote: Prama too. After he came back and pretty much said "I can't scum hunt without an ability!!!"quadz08 wrote:Parama’s reread post (898) is basically completely useless:
First, he says q21 should die based on post count. This is not a bad point, though the reaction is rather strong.
Second, he makes a useless comment about TL and how scummy he is / how his replacement is confirmed town (which, btw, he never explained.)
Then, he points out 7 quotes/posts. 3 of them hadn’t been mentioned before, 2 of them were “hey go town this guy’s dead,” and 2 of them had been thoroughly discussed before. The 3 new things he mentioned (pops’ quote, “let’s play the passive game” and “This just looks so fake”) have no further explanation about them. He posts those quotes, and that’s it.
He also mentioned being unsure about pops’ push on muh (or something? I’m not even sure, actually.) and me being boneheaded and obsessive about little things (with no examples).
Then comes a scumlist, and a declaration of 75% accuracy. (3 of the 4 people on his list are apparently scum. Impressive for someone whose scumhunting is more or less nonexistent. Seriously, look at his ISO. The post I’m talking about now is the closest thing to scumhunting he’s got.)
I guess he’s still in the process of rereading the rest, like he said he would. Or maybe he’s not. Y’know. Whatev.
Yeah, I don't see a problem with that post.quadz08 wrote:
Why does it suck, exactly?Nero 989 wrote:
Q21's 897 sucked.
Agree about Darla, diddin, Nero, and WC (except for the less part). Disagree about Parama and Bunny. Agree about TMH. Also, something is creeping me out about how you have frequently stated I am town or have defended me. It's like an ex-girlfriend repeatedly trying to get back together. And in fast moving games, I tend to use catchup posts frequently. You'll just have to deal with that.quadz08 wrote:Overall, Darla sucks, diddin still sucks, Nero still sucks, WC sucks less, nhammen doesn't suck (though I'm ready for something other than catch-up posts), Parama still sucks, IAI doesn't suck, Bunny sucks, TMH sucks a LOT.
Reminding players to answer these.popsofctown wrote:
Please do that now.Lat 1034 wrote: Darla is scum btw, might give an explanation later.
Bunny why is your brain picking Saint over Darla?
I never saw this. Nice catch.RedCoyote wrote:
Why are you guessing there's an SK? What about another ability? What about multiple scumteams? Why even speculate on this at all unless you have knowledge that I don't have.theman 836 wrote:Hrm.... so I'm guessing there's an SK? Either that or a vig but if there's a vig the ability probably cycles so I don't know that it's much use trying to get anything from that.
@q21 #1128: This case against DBE, in combination with everything else, is quite compelling.
I disagree about Bunny, but agree about all of the rest. The buddying that quadz is doing may be nothing, or it may be another sign of what you are suggesting. So my three suggested kills for today are DBE, WC, and Nero Cain. Of these three, Nero has the fewest connections, so I would like him to be the lynch after the other two are taken out by Virus and Daykill.I Am Innocent wrote:Bunnylover, WC, and Darla are probably the best three choices for the bomb right now.
I do not advocate Diddin or Saint. My gut tells me people would love to have Saint (or should I say Vi) out of this game.
If I am right about pops being scum, quadz is a possible teammate. Something to keep an eye on.
I feel that there is more of a case against tmh than diddin. And since we pretty much know that they can't both be scum (although they could be lying about the ability), I'm more inclined towards a tmh lynch tomorrow. Also, why did you list Saint for the lynch?RedCoyote wrote:Well, let's say that we decide to wait and lynch theman. Okay. Worst case scenario.
Darla gets stuck with the Virus and flips town.
theman shoots WC and flips town.
We lynch Saint and he flips town.
Then two more town deaths at night. That's five more townies dead.
I'm not saying this will all happen if we don't go after diddin now, but I am saying we shouldn't spare diddin if we think he's scum just because we want to get a town confirmation from lynching theman tomorrow. We're already on a bad footing. That said, if a majority of the town thinks diddin is honestly not a good lynch, then that's a completely different story. I'll build a case against him with pleasure.
tmh being scum would explain that.quadz08 wrote:I'm with RC; let's flip it, and lynch diddin today, since we can't lynch TMH cause of his ability. Which actually reminds me: does no one else find it suspicious that diddin is still alive today, even though he held the dayvig power? Cause I do.
Agree here.quadz08 wrote:Actually, this is a really good point. I would have assumed that since the virus had gone off D1, that it was simply gone, and the dayvig power was free to use for the rest of the game. It coming back today was unexpected, and I assume it would have been unexpected for TMH as well... well said, IAI.
I disagree about you and Saint. My three are listed above.Bunnylover wrote:Well it appears that we have come to an agreement on who should hold the bomb between 3 people.
Myself (although I disagree on this lol).
Saint (Pefectly fine with this).
DBE (Not really seeing a reason not to keep the virus on him/her).
Other then these three people, no one name is mentioned.
We need to keep the virus between these three people.
If for some reason another person gets the virus, the previous owner should either be day kill by the vig or lynch as their is only two reason why you wouldn't keep the bomb on these three.
It was established early on D1 that the Virus cannot confirm alignment. The mod was asked about this.Saint wrote:i passed the virus to nhammen
lets make 75 posts really quickly so we can confirm my slot is town
I have some role information from my role last night related to this. I'm not sure if I should claim it now, or wait to claim tomorrow to hopefully catch someone in a trap. Just letting you know, there is something you are missing from the picture.Saint wrote:her recent post doesn't convince me that she is not blue, but Vi has convinced me to wait to d3 to push her if noone gets doctor
I'd like to claim #3, for the record, but I am not claiming my recipient.
Also, why do you have interest in me yet interest for people who are interested in lynching my slot and it flipping town? Just the sheer ignorance of imagining a town flip seems ridiculous. Let's imagine a scum one.
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I'd like reasoning for thisBunnylover wrote:@nhamm: Thanks for reminding me of that question, I missed it lol.
@Pops: I think its because I believe Saint is scum, while on DBE I don't believe it yet. Would I cry if DBE dies, no I wouldn't.
@I am Innocent: 3) Someone Else.
Are you familiar with my play?
Do you realize I go the extra mile as town?
Are you familiar with my vehement scum-meta and easy-readability?
I am by far NOT a policy lynch, and you WILL NOT gain any traction on this.
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