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Hullo, I am the new song of ice and fire.
Less ice and fire, more verily and forsooth.
I'll be doing a big honkin' replace in post at some point...unless this is 17 pages of nonsense in which case I'll just post a wall of snide remarks and other such gobbledy-gook. Overall I small sweet, have a manly beard, and desire to lynch Magna on general principle.
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Greetings all - I'm up through page 8 and, as usual, my brain is less than amused at this stage and has ordered an all stop in order to refresh the anti-idiocy shields enough for me to wade through more later. Thus far nothing too meaty to really dig into as with so many players page 8 is not as content filled as it would be in a smaller game, that said I have the following brilliant (and 10% accurate) observations;
Liking Magua
Liking Locke
Liking GreyICE
Should have known Mina would be in this game somewhere. Prepping drama shielding
Accurate Benmage assessment in forty words or less
Good lord, we're raising Benmage and I'm voting for it thanks to my predecessor? That's hilarious. Since Magna is on there I'll presume a logical argument has been presented for the idea, and since the other player (Magua) who I'd be likely to vote is currently voting Benmage I'll presume it's generally agreed on that the logic isn't terribad. Content to sit there for the nonce - at least this way he won't be mayor
Curious to discover what Zoraster did for the hate - thus far I found him very middle of the road. Benmage's dana vote is probably stupid though, and Mina is only voting me because she fears the beard and she should realize the beard is a force for good and go away. Should manage another 8 or so pages tonight (more if I get bouncy and my friends ditch me). Will have a vote out at that time too just to toy with people's emotions when I place a vote without reading up on everything. Heck, let's do that now just for amusement's sake;
Unvote: xvart
Vote: Mikujin
Third leading wagon ftw. Totally serious vote.
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So everyone would understand it wasn't an absolutely ridiculous vote, of course. Did that not come across?Locke Lamora wrote:Thor: why did you clarify that as a 'totally serious vote'?-
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Catching, up, reading up, waaaay up.
Spoiler: Answering Day 1 blather
Is there more to the Sparkle case than this? Because though this isn't exactly posh, it's not exactly top case of the day material either - usually you like thicker walls.MagnaofIllusion wrote:A Hydra composed of Hito, Mina and Sotty should have had a much more Pro-Town Day 1 if they are Lannister aligned.
What's the Bunnylover case? Considering at lynch yesterday she opted *not* to hop on a obv. 3rd party for super easy town points I'm kind of wondering. My read is currently town.Ghostlin wrote:VOTE: Bunnylover
I think I read three votes, two raises, a bunch of stuff that upon further observation didn't say much (I'm trying to decide what ISO 16 says and the fact that it doesn't really mean anything considering any lynch=a flip, and there's no consideration of what happened when Zoaster flipped third party), and the 'I can't complain if a townie isn't dying' is really odd in ISO 21. You realize we don't win the game if we lynch third parties, right?
I still haven't read any of pages 9-whenever my first wall post was, though I've read up after it. I need to assess a bit to see what scumreads I have and also where I want vote and lockdown nominate. I actually support the idea of flipping Raivaan at the moment but I'm pretty sure I ought to be able to come up with a better scum read than 'let's flip the other wagon for reads on who was on it' so at the very least I'm going to read up and see if I'm actually willing to call Raiv individually scummy before I vote him.-
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@Shadow - no, silly goose. You get town points for jumping on it from most players and you get town points for not jumping on it at the very end when it's clear the other lynch you're on isn't going through from *me*. Your mileage may vary.-
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The only way you could attack me on this was either verbally splitting hairs or misinterpreting/representing what I actually said. You don't get to toss the defense back in my face for pointing out that I didn't say what you said I said. I can't defend something I didn't say.MagnaofIllusion wrote:So your defense is that by using a subjective modifier (what exactly is the line between too meaty and meaty?) it should be clear exactly your thoughts? You’ve called me pedantic but splitting hairs verbally is likewise suspect.
As far as DGB - it was probably the way she approached the raising question. Didn't like it and felt like a conversation ender without any attempts to start a new angle of discussion.MagnaofIllusion wrote:What about DGB’s play didn’t you like? Also if it was Town for GreyICE to mix it up with DGB regardless of how poorly reasoned the attack was, what does it say about you that you are claiming suspicion but didn’t want to go after DGB?
As far what that says about me on a town/scum scale for not mentioning that - I don't know, what does it say? I think I look town but I am somewhat biased.
Thanks for the link and desire to explain how a person you find immensely scummy is scummy.MagnaofIllusion wrote:I suggest you catch up with pages 9-Z and then decide if you need to see more on cases.
I'll address it as I catch it then, I suppose. Until then - your current stated case as I am aware of it, is really weak. "They aren't townie enough" That's not a case.-
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@Magua - already outlined when I would.-
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@Magua - my thought process is as follows;
Cheese, Cookies, Milk Beer, I like Christmas but find Thanksgiving more relaxing and enjoyable for the overall month...cheese.
My presented thought process is thus;
I want to lynch Raivaan for, and only for, the information gained by seeing that slot flip with a few of the hoppers towards the end of Day 1. I admit I don't actually have a scum read on him myself and announce I'm going to go read up and if I get said scumtell he'll be my vote. If I get a towntell he won't. I did this so people would have something to react to off of me, and also so I could flesh out my post in order to lure more people into commenting on it so I could start babbling at them and get some reads without having to read back since I find that part of the game tedious, not so fun, and generally only semi-useful for my own reads.
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I never had a vote on xvart - my slot did. Difference.
Since the Mikujin vote 'things have happened in thread - like dead people and wagons that led to lynches. That changes the lay of the gamescape in my opinion and defeats the super solid and expansive Mikijun=scum case I had presented and pressed for earlier.-
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Magua wrote:
Since I consider Mikujin to be scummy (see my nomination), I am interested in hearing what has occurred that makes you think he is less scummy than you did earlier.Thor665 wrote:Since the Mikujin vote 'things have happened in thread - like dead people and wagons that led to lynches. That changes the lay of the gamescape in my opinion and defeats the super solid and expansive Mikijun=scum case I had presented and pressed for earlier.
Tell you what, let me walk you through the sarcasm - I can occasionally be a little too clever for my own good.
Here's the sum totality of my case on Miku;
Now, it is possible that when I talked about how vast and solid my Miku case was I *might* have been stretching the truth to some degree when I did so. I also *might* just be not voting right now because I'm still trying to get a more firm footing on the gamestate and most of the players because not all of them are hurling town tells other than the ones I've already noted. So, in conclusion, Miku is OBVIOUSLY waaaaaay less scummy than my initial, vastly researched and highly vitriolic case on him <--- hint of sarcasm winkie for help.Thor665 wrote:Will have a vote out at that time too just to toy with people's emotions when I place a vote without reading up on everything. Heck, let's do that now just for amusement's sake;
Unvote: xvart
Vote: Mikujin
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1. Yes.MagnaofIllusion wrote:1. You complain about lack of meaty content to comment on.
2. You say you like Locke’s play, but he had two posts by page 8 consists solely of a RVS vote and a small comment on DGB based on loose meta. He certainly didn’t provide any ‘meaty content’ by that point.
3. You say you like Grey’s play despite his back-tracking and arguments that were repeatedly proven wrong or misguided.
4. You don’t comment at all about DGB despite him being the focus of your two Town reads above.
2. Yes...but, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China. I never said it was impossible for me to get reads, I complained there was a lack of content - ergo, I thought there should have been more. Find me a game I've played in the last six months where I haven't claimed there is usable content within 1-2 pages. Your conclusion is presuming an opinion - whoop de doo, I don't share the opinion you presume I have.
3. Yes. How is this scummy?
4. Yes. How is this scummy?
Fair enough on DGB, but you're barking up a nothing tree as it was hardly a conscious plan.MagnaofIllusion wrote:I don’t see the Town motivation for you to dislike DGB’s play but be afraid to voice your own opinion on it. It looks like you are happy to let others do the dirty work for you in that regard based on the difficulty of attacking DGB that you later state. Futhermore I find your explanation for your Town reads on those players to be lacking.
Also, fascinatingly enough, having reads that MoI doesn't agree with isn't a scum tell. True story. This angle is ridiculous.
All I hear is this;MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Never said it was a case. You are the only one attempting to assert it is. My interactions and obeservations made Day with and about Twilight Sparkle are the base of my vote.Thor wrote:Until then - your current stated case as I am aware of it, is really weak. "They aren't townie enough" That's not a case.
Herpy da derpy - Thor asked me to state the rest of my case, I refuse because he needs to read moar and I only wall post in the present, he then says that what he sees thus far is weaksauce and now I'll attack him for calling it my case and reference as evidence the case he has openly admitted to not seeing yet and also stated a desire to see which I refused to aid in. Oh yeah, I'll also suggest he's misrepping my case! Herpy-da-doo-dah.
Really, MoI? Really? Please tell me if you're serious on this one because it will make my read on you infinitely simple.
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Or it's an answer to a direct question. Also it is analysis - just analysis of my own play...unless you agree it's factual information but at that point it still is valid to have provided the information to disprove MoI's issue with me. Extract noggin from anus please.Benmage wrote:
Circle talking here. I.e. IIoA. This is semantical fluff meant to appear active. Thor is scum.Thor665 wrote: I said there wasn't anything "too meaty" which is different from lack of anything meaty by quite a bit - and if you're going to be so seriously pedantic in taking in my comments I'm shocked you would overlook that. What is wrong with drawing conclusions when I don't think there has been anything really impressive - there is *nothing* that does not compute there.
Uf da!Benmage wrote:
Someone's busting out the chainsaws early. (Yes this cant be "chainsaw" till a flip....call it foreshadowing for now.)Thor665 wrote:
Is there more to the Sparkle case than this? Because though this isn't exactly posh, it's not exactly top case of the day material either - usually you like thicker walls.MagnaofIllusion wrote:A Hydra composed of Hito, Mina and Sotty should have had a much more Pro-Town Day 1 if they are Lannister aligned.
You honestly find his initial attack on me for the language *not* splitting hairs? You then agree that me pointing out that his hair splitting ignores how what I said is perfectly functional and decide that makes me scum? Ben, are you just too puffed up at the moment, or am I totally missing how MoI's issue on me is the most brilliant case ever? Because I look at it and see silliness and nothingness in equal amounts. I'll accept it as a scumtell on me - but only if you admit it's a scumtell on MoI first. Justify how it only works one way.Benmage wrote:
QFT. Thor is scum.MagnaofIllusion wrote: splitting hairs verbally is likewise suspect.
Yeah, but when 'xxxxxx' is "more townie and 'zzzzz' is 'not as townie as I believe they should be it's not really meta anymore, is it? It's an arbitrary and undefined decision of where the level of towniness you decide they are worthy of exists.Benmage wrote:
Thats worked for me a lot.Thor665 wrote: "They aren't townie enough" That's not a case.
Player A acts like "xxxxx" when town and "zzzzz" when scum.
Player A is acting like "zzzzz".
Player A is scum.
Its meta and its Smurfing great.
I expect MoI to be more townie then his weak attacks on me have been.
Is the above brilliant wrapped in win or no?
I'll let you know when I read up. He's given me zero to go on since I started posting, as he hasn't, and I still have all the back pages to catch up on.Benmage wrote:
What do you think of Xvart?Thor665 wrote:I never had a vote on xvart - my slot did. Difference.-
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Page 9. I haven't done any reading since page 8.Benmage wrote:ThorWhere are you on your 9-32 pg read through?
Eh...if I wasn't giving opinions on players at all I'd agree with that. However note that the heart of the semantics debate came from MoI because I started calling players town. Even you have accused me of chainsawing. If you guys are getting these reads off me clearly I'm not being shy with the opinions I do have. I'll admit I don't have opinions on everyone, nor that I have been a shining beacon of catching up, but I've hardly been attempting to be a wallflower and that's what that tell is based around - derpy doo to you too, Benmage.Benmage wrote:
It is a scum-tell for you when you weigh in the fact that you've only been squabbling over this fluff rather than finishing your reading and focusing on some scum hunting. You're back and forth and semantic argument is to appear active. Without being active.Thor665 wrote: I'll accept it as a scumtell on me - but only if you admit it's a scumtell on MoI first. Justify how it only works one way.-
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Town don't actually need to be caught up to converse on the issues of the day. Scum, though, need to be to say anything useful. I can't imagine anyone reading to page eight and thinking that who they think the town/scum are matters at Smurfing all. The interpretation that is easily the most sensible to me is that Thor-town feels obliged to make his “catch-up's” wall-quoting affairs, but doesn't have the energy to do it. He doesn't want to flake out, so he's 'playing' in real time while promising himself he'll make that big catch-up sometime soon.Twilight Sparkle wrote:Scum don't actually need to be caught up to converse on the issues of the day. Townies, though, need to be to say anything useful. I can't imagine anyone reading to page eight and thinking that who they think the town/scum are matters at Smurfing all. The interpretation that is easily the most sensible to me is that Thor-scum feels obliged to make his “catch-up's” wall-quoting affairs, but doesn't have the energy to do it. He doesn't want to flake out, so he's 'playing' in real time while promising himself he'll fake that big catch-up sometime soon.
Strangely enough I actually think mine manages to make *exactly* as much sense. Go figure.
Also - serious question - you're accusing Song of "lurking" until she "flaked"? Does that really make sense to you?-
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In this game I am learning that apparently the only town thing to do is post nothing until you have read up.
Which is silly.
@Locke - I've also started calling MoI scummy which is in addition to my earlier stated town reads. I bet there's at least 5 players in this game that I have now actually made more reads than and done equivalent amounts of scumhunting to even with my abbreviated iso.-
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I'll agree I've spent more time reacting to stuff about myself - but without a backlog of awareness one is obligated to be a reactionary player. Also, even when I am caught up I tend to evoke reactions via my own actions and read them more than looking at people's reactions to others. Reacting to people's actions to yourself is not inherently a lack of scumhunting, but rather a narrowed focus of scumhunting. The question is - can you see how I've been getting reactions from people, pointing out those reactions, and declaring them as tells of one sort or another. If you can say yes to that then I am still scumhunting, just not on a scope you would prefer.
Would you rather I have not posted anything at all today other than "still trying to find time to read up, lol" is *that* better scumhunting and pro-town play? Because that's what I would have been doing if not this.-
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Oh, and I will add I did do the MoI/Twilight thing that isn't about me. Apparently it was chainsaw - but ::shrug:: that's what happens when you talk about people that aren't you.-
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@Locke
Re: my read on Benmage - actually he ducked away from me, which made me suspect he was testing me and wasn't so excited about the answers I was giving. Overall I give that a town tell from him, because considering some of the other general support a Thor lynch is getting I would have expected more screaming and finger pointing if he was interested in getting through a mislynch.
Re: my read on Twilight - I don't have a read on TS yet because a) It's a hydra and those are obnoxious to read and b) it hasn't actually responded back to my snark yet. Really I'm hoping to get more Mina and Sotty eventually, as I know them better as players than hito and will be able to read them better. I personally find his issue with me about as insightful as what you initially posted, but until I can get some more reactions I can't draw a conclusion from that alone. I'll admit my immediate knee-jerk is to think of them as town simply because of the MoI read I'm getting, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt till I actually see the case he's posted.
Re: Me posting without reading all of thread yet - eh, I can see your point. But if I actively participate I don't get caught behind the rolling end point of "I read five pages, but everyone generated five pages, net gain zero" problem that I have when I've been in a larger game to read up on with limited reading time. In the past I would have just focused on reading, but having been caught by that before and being well aware the limited time I'd have for catch up reading I decided to try an alternate method. At the moment I'm liking parts of it and disliking parts of it - but I'm amazed how many strong players treat it as inherently scummy play when I really do not see that angle. I agree it's inherently 'hard to read' play - but no way I chose to handle it the length of my reading catch up would change that aspect in any way.-
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@Locke - actually, I may reverse my Benmage position, because looking back he just recently still listed me as a top suspect on his 'approved attack list' and yet he didn't come galumphing back at me.
@Benmage - how come lack of attack back at my responses to you? I get lonely and confused when that happens.-
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I personally think my scum meta speaks for itself in this regard. Wait till Sotty heals and ask her about it.Twilight Sparkle wrote:Why do scum need to be caught up to say anything useful? As soon as a scumbag receives their role PM, they know who they don't want lynched. I agree that, with you only at page eight, who you think are town and scum don't matter at smurfing all. My problem is that what is your 'playing'? By your own admission, your reads are irrelevant. The difference is, even if you get in a 5 pages read/5 page posted treadmill, you're at least slowly commenting on real things. Instead, you're just chattering and defending yourself without making your reads informed in any way. I can personally attest that, as a townie behind on reading, I felt naked and unable to post in the thread. Scum, though, have to consciously remember that they are supposed to have reads, and it seems an easy to thing to forget and just coast along ensuring your own survival. That's my problem.
I also fail to see how page 5, comment, page 10 comment, page 15 comment. Is any inherently better than page 5 comment, most recent 5 pages, comment, page 10 comment. Both tracks continue to have missing gaps of knowledge that are viable. Linear reading is no more helpful for total comprehension of a book than spot reading unless your brain requires linear reading to comprehend information.-
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Until you get to the second half your reads from the first half don't matter smurfing at all either - I change my reads 2-3 times during catchup reads. That's the point, none of it is solidified until you get a solid state on the gamestate - the order of reading is only meaningful to help you organize yourself.Twilight Sparkle wrote:Because until you fill that missing gap, what you think about the recent 5 pages is literally worthless as soon as you write it down. I've heard it described as "not mattering at smurfing all", even.
My name is Thor.
Thor is my name.
Same thing, different order. Shocking, I know.-
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Attack Thor.Benmage wrote:
What oh so precious statements did I fail to comment on?Thor665 wrote:@Benmage - how come lack of attack back at my responses to you? I get lonely and confused when that happens.
Thor responds.
...zzz...
Locke post.
Thor responds.
Ben explodes.
The secondary sweep seems more normal for you - what happened the first time through?-
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Ben - Thor is scumz!
Thor - am not, here's why!
Ben - lawl, totally scumz, I laugh at your posts!
Thor - U R ugly, here's post rebuttal.
Ben - ...zzz...
One does not often see you bother pulling back on/ignoring someone you list as one of only three possible lynches for a day. Especially when they're calling you out for poor logic.-
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Kindly quote where I said I wouldn't and I'll send you $1,000. Otherwise - sod off and I'll do it when and as I have time available, as I've been doing.Setael wrote:@Thor: Go read the thread.-
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Proddodge. Reading and not commenting until I have 100% understanding of gamestate like good robot.-
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Prody dodgy. Still reading (though really by 'reading' I mean waiting to the weekend so I can actually read, though I am on page 11 if that rocks anyone's socks. 80% chance I'll be caught up then.-
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Page 10
Pretty neutral on LMPs interaction with Bunnylover where, basically, he suggests it's appropriate never to explain your reads if people don't understand them
Kast on page 10 is lolercoaster - Day 1 town lists are lol (which means, he believes reads day one are weak) then he dings GreyICE for pushing hard on a weak tell...oh yeah, and he's still not voting or helping anything in any way but dives into a theme/flavor debate. Lynch this guy, yes?
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I'll agree that Twilight coming back and only commenting on an ongoing slap fest between MOI and ICE is pretty weak.
diddin dinging ICE for not liking MOI's play/post style while ignoring that MOI is doing the same thing to ICE is kinda sad. A townread on Benmage for cocky aggressiveness...um...whut? Yeah, let's cast diddin down amongst the scumspects for a while.
I find it slightly hilarious how MoI didn't bring up that one of my town reads (ICE) involving the strange cult around DGB is basically being run up as scum at this stage...because he's pressuring DGB while everyone else agrees her playstyle is scummy.
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I actually like Raiv's pressure on song. The VI tell is good and his not worrying about active, larger wagons doesn't look like scum maneuvering to me.
I don't know about the rest of you - I actually have no idea what most of has' gestures mean. On all fours shaking his head? I'm glad all of you understand fully and feel no need to ask
MoI is jumping all up and down on ICE's "faked" DGB scumtell without ever bothing to explain why he thinks ICE is more likely scum because of it. Eeesh. I do like his diddin vote, though the giant walling with ICE in order to work up to a very succinct and simple diddin vote is another eeeesh.
I like Twilight's post overall because I agree with most of it - I am slightly surprised hito's sheeping Riav's logic without any credit being given Bigger chance for Riav to be town in my mind though.
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Could be pretty happy with a Miku lynch too.
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LMP's push on Raivaan is How did he know they're VT? Um...what ruddy scum role knows who the VTs are? Does this make any sense in any form?
Up through Page 19 now. Will do more reading later. I'm really looking forward to the pages I already was active in as that will speed things up for that period - then it will slow down again when I went good robot, won't that be fun-
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Magna just referenced ReBoot Mafia for me when I replaced in...I'm actually too dumb to figure out what he meant by it. I'll presume he's just admitting he knows I'm awesome and move on.
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Drama, oh noes!!1!
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Liking Zdenek.
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I'm not sure what's more odd. That in refuting Chess' case on him MoI bothers to bring up examples of how Chess didn't use normal and proper logic...or that MoI is bothering to answer the case at all. I'm actually mildly offended you took a swipe at him for complimenting the mod on a post meant to dissuade personal attacks. MoI really comes across both as defensive and sort of desperate to dig at anything Chess says here, sort of a "LOOKIT THIS WALL - I AM TOWN, GULDURNIT!" feel to the whole mess.
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Mina finds my jauntiness forced? I am always jaunty except when I'm not...
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I'll confirm that I like my Mikujin vote, why did that ever get hate? Oh yeah, failure to read all thread - and I was still voting someone I would have been if I had. Damn I'm brilliant That said everyone was excited by zoraster and i can't really fault that either in 20/20 hindsight, but since he hadn't hit full meltdown yet - wheee.
Ooooh, I may have found the kernal of the Twilight Sparkle case - lack of pushing for lynches. Hmmm...I don't know hito from Adam, and the super sick at the time Sotty is certainly a hammer queen. Mina is kid glove softness, but can be aggressive. I'll accept this as a reasonable tell, I'm not sure I'm particularly sold on it though. Also, this came from Magua and Ben - so clearly I still have yet to see MoI's case o' awesome. The odd thing is...I'm pretty sure I'm up to where he told me to go read for it pretty much and...?
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Slightly odded out that Twilight Sparkle has just called me scum for like the 3nd/3rd time but keeps going with the 'will let him catch up' spiel. I never like it when people do that - either you've picked up on a scumtell or you haven't. if you're going to reaction fish me you might as well vote me. ::shrug::
Wooosh, and I'm up to the Zoraster lynch which I've already weighed in with thoughts of (during my uber scummy posting while not reading whole thread sequence, natch) and shockingly enough - I'm standing by the conclusions I had then because they are still valid. Egads!
I'm probably tapping out for tonight as considering work if I'msmartI go to bed within the next two hours. Sometimes Mafia does lure me in to later - but rarely for catchup reads. The section I participated in should go fairly quickly and that should leave me about 10+ pages to catch up with tomorrow? Something like that - everyone lurk till Tuesday and we should be copacetic.-
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::shrug::Benmage wrote:I'm pretty disappointed and further convinced that Thor is scum.
In 8 days he's read what, 10 pgs? And provides minimal content. Considering the effort he put into bickering and self-defending himself, similar, equivalent effort put into catching up should've yielded further progression and more insight.
I find it very easy to post from work on games I am active in.
I find it very difficult to do catchup reading. I find it's a totally different mindset. Considering I've never been this slow to catch up on a game how about you go out on a limb and figure maybe I'm in some certain circumstances that are slowing me down more than usual which *might* (only if you squint, though) explain why i tried an alternate replace-in entrance strategy from any game I've ever played in? Go ahead, squint, you'll either see stuff or get a headache.-
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Benmage wrote:
Over committed? Why replace into a game if you're in too many?Thor665 wrote:Go ahead, squint, you'll either see stuff or get a headache.
I actually didn't say I was over committed, just that I had limited functionality for reading up past pages of the game as you can't do that effectively via short check ins while at work. Also, note initially that I was fairly willing and able to hop in quickly because honestly I didn't expect the "oh dear gawd u scumz!" reaction I got when I said what my re-read schedule was like. At that point either I kept posting and give you and MoI an anuerism or I go quiet and read up as I was able to. I opted for number two as a lynch based on playstyle issues was not helpful to town and that's where we were going when I started posting. If that hadn't happened I would have been here and commenting on stuff all this time, as should be reasonably clear by my activity level in other ongoing games and even in this one until I went robot mode.-
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Actually Ben, I think I did communicate that my intention was to actively post while also reading up at a slower pace. I also indicated to the mod right when I replaced in that there was a bit of V/LA in my situation and he reported as such and I know because Twilight lampshaded it.
If I produce quotes will you then admit that active posting while not being able to read up isnt scummy and join me in asking MoI wtf on his issue with me doing that? Because if that's the carrot I'll do it. Otherwise iso me yourself - it's not that long of an iso.-
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Whatevs, I'll do it for a presumed carrot
#13 in my iso - very first time someone dinged me for not reading up...and it's Twilight Sparkle not MoI...have I wronged someone,?
No, wait, here it is.
ISO #5 - don't comment on cases till you catch up, and I say 'okay, I'll see it when I catch up' which is not saying "never shall I catch up" and also has MoI acting like I'm a jerk for him to link or point me towards his awesome Twilight case (which I've still missed, halp!)
I'll just hate them both then.-
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@Ben - I actually barely understood your question. Basically you're wondering why I read 6 pages as opposed to reading 6 pages - that's really what you're asking, isn't it? The only difference would be one was a linear following of pages and the other wasn't. I disagree that one set of 6 pages is inherently superior to read than another. Your personal opinion may vary, but it is just a personal opinion. I was more interested in where the game was currently than where the game had been.-
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While we're at it - I've read this page and not pages 52 and 53. So...I'm still doing this.-
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Because I've also said reading up is different from being concurrent, so when you say I did the one while not doing the other I sort of nod my head yes and go, yes...?
And I read those pages because I wanted to play actively and being aware of end of Day 1 and start of Day 2 is more important than middle of Day 1 if you want to start commenting in the active game of Day 2. I really feel like we're being sucked back into the debate of whether or not it's scummy what order I read the pages and away from you accusing me of never saying I was playing actively while reading up and I have shown posts showing that I said it. What are you accusing me of at the moment exactly? Because if it's just a playstyle debate let's drop it because it's pointless and we can debate it after the game is over if it makes you happy.-
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@Benmage - next time I do something like that I'll use smaller words so you can understand. My bad.-
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No, if you go back and look you'll realize I was being sarcastic and insulting your ability to draw conclusions. Let me walk you through it;Benmage wrote:
So you admit you lied about your limited time and tried to use that excuse for not reading pgs 8-32.Thor665 wrote:@Benmage - next time I do something like that I'll use smaller words so you can understand. My bad.
Ben: Thor is scummy, because he didn't say that he would read up and now he is saying he did say that.
Thor: Actually I did say it, here are relevant quotes.
Ben...um...well, you're scum because you did do that, but I'm going to claim that you're using truth to hide your greater scumminess, yes.
Thor: Was there a point to answering the first question, or is this all confirmation bias?
Ben: My penis is huuuuuuge!
Thor: Carry on good sir.
Actual quotes.
Basically you admitted that I did say I'd read up, and then decided it was all part of an elaborate truth in a lie scum fake out - meaning you actually didn't care whether or not I did or didn't say I would read up and really just wanted to scream and keep me in your scum column. If you're town you're being silly and narrow minded, and if you're scum...well played.-
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I am, I apologize. Yesterday was uber crazy, I'll finish the read ups I need and get out a vote either this evening or sometime tomorrow. If not I'll request replacement - and I made a vow never to need to replace out of a game and I don't like breaking vows.LynchMePls wrote:Also, we're less than a week from deadline so all of these people:
danakillsu (1) Kast
Ghostlin (1) DTMaster
Nexus (1) Magua
Not voting (1) Thor665
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Raivann wrote:Why is Thor still not.voting?
What part of 'I'll vote tonight or tomorrow' is so confusing to you?Raivann wrote:and yes still Thor. Shouldn't he have at least put a vote down by now?
I actually think Magua looks uber town and outlined the Feysal issue very well. That doesn't look like a scum fakeclaim unless your belief is that Feysal is a raving idiot of scum. I don't believe that personally.
I don't want to get over on Twilight because even after my re-read I still am not that impressed by the case (I'm still not sure where MoI's uber case on her is) and I actually think the absence of two heads does dramatically affect a hydra because I've been in a similar situation and am aware what it can do - the sheer fact they've picked up their game now that they say the heads are back helps verify this to me.
The Nexus drive seems to be similar to the Thor drive, confirmation bias combined with lurkage = scum. Meh.
Vote Raivaan
Hup, hup, hup. Let's move them doggies.
My case on him is 'gut' also just his antics towards the end of day today where he's gone into a mud slinging whirlwind and is basically trying to make Day 2 about a lurker vote as far as I can tell.-
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More 'blatant defense of Feysal' but sure.Shadow1psc wrote:Thinly veiled defense of Feysal? It's WIFOM to consider ones motivations for claiming petyr as scum. Maybe that's the beauty of it, claiming something so outlandish that you don't expect scum to do it, therefor accomplishing what he set out to do.... how very Petyr like indeed.
It's WIFOM, yeah, but no more or less than going 'lawl, obvious fakeclaim' is. Whether or not you believe or don't believe it you are making a decision on the WIFOM scale of the claim. Seriously, you see scum making that fakeclaim? That's the question, either you see that as a fakeclaim or you don't. I don't.
That's...actually not a conflict with his logic though. He said why targeting a pro town player was a poor idea, and honestly, looking at it, he's got a good point.LynchMePls wrote:
That's correct. The more the story evolves the more nonsensical it becomes. What are you waiting for with your vote?Shadow1psc wrote:By your own logic why wouldn't you target LL? Near-confirmed town, the doc was sure to target him or Benmage... you just contradicted your own logic.
What's your read on Raivaan? Are you so sold on Feysal or is it just trying to get in a lynch at this stage? If we get some movement going towards Raiv we can muddle this through just fine as this has been a pretty active game.-
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Well, to be honest I just really see that Feysal claim coming from town, and I'd rather go with almost any lynch than that lynch. The two vote leaders are town reads for me, leaving me in sort of a headless chicken mode.Locke Lamora wrote:Actually, we now have less than 36 hours to deadline. I assume Thor's making a point rather than seriously thinking he's going to build a wagon from scratch in a day and a half.
...also, in my rush to read up I missed the Governor target announce from Benmage.
To answer your question to Feysal for him because I just think you're misunderstanding the nature of his claim; His power tells him when someone is targeted, not by whom. When someone turns up dead at the start of the day we pretty much already know they were targeted, so...worthless use of power to target someone who ended up dead. So it makes sense not to target someone you think will end up dead.-
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In this topic MoI ignores the fact that he claimed there was a case he presented on Twilight *prior* to me replacing in.MagnaofIllusion wrote:ITT thread Thor shows his re-read didn’t actually include reading as there is no way you should have missed THIS.
I never claimed my catch up was well done. In all honesty it was rushed, half arsed, and not to the level I would have liked it.Preview Edit – I see you say you missed Benmage’s decree. Further evidence of your well done re-read.
Besides going 'ooooh, Thor didn't read as clearly as I would have liked' is there a purpose behind this attack? It's not like I've been claiming to have had the master class thorough read of awesome on this thread.
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Unvote: Raivaan
Vote: Zdenek
Blatant counterwagon vote to try to avoid Feysal lynch.-
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@Setael - I have an exceedingly minor town read on Zdenek, and that was from over a dozen pages ago, and frankly Zdenek talks enough logic loops that I'm not particularly enamored by him anymore. I consider Feysal's claim to be a giant flashing sign of town. I'm absolutely against his lynch today. I can't get any of my actual scum reads lynched, and of the viable alternates at this stage Zdenek is the only horse available whom I'd be okay lynching. Therefore, he's for the rope.
You seem off put by this, considering how minor of a note my liking Zdenek mention even was - how strong is your read on Zdenek and should I care about it? You don't seem strongly sold on Feysal scum, considering you're basically just sort of weak slapping him with WIFOM as a reason to lynch, and WIFOM is (probably after over defensive) one of the most improperly used scumtells in the game.-
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@Saetal - I was referring to Twilight and Feysal as the vote leaders, I hadn't realized Zdenek was a solid vote contender until that vote count post.
And, yes, the scumteam's plan was for me - the bastion of town energy - to blatantly tie myself to scumbuddy Feysal in order to clear him on Day 2. Yes.
@TwilightMina - I actually don't care one whit for the name (other than that the name was repeated) what I care about is the power and the nature of the claim. It's too sloppy and terrible to be a fakeclaim because...seriously. I'm pretty sure furcolow could come up with a better fakeclaim after an all night bender if the goal was to buy one more day. Plus, I've been in a game with scum Feysal and this doesn't feel like scum Feysal to me.
And Raivaan is angling for the lurker vote due to his constant repetition of "here's a list of lurkers, where are they? Huh? Harumph, harumph, harumph." I quoted two examples just a page or two back, but can dig them back up for you if you're desperate.-
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Yes mom. You could tell me specifically where you feel I'm dropping the ball in a way that needs more attention though, unless all it is is the following, but your use of 'also' suggests it isn't;Kast wrote:@Thor-
Pay attention to the game.
I consider no lynch preferable to a town lynch at this stage and in this game. I am certain enough on Feysal I'm willing to gamble with that belief to try to force a lynch other than him. Asking me to vote for people I consider town "because we need a lynch" defeats the purpose of me getting town reads, of vote count analysis, and basically turns my vote into a policy lynch 'but everyone said so' whine fest. And I am against all three of those.Kast wrote:Also, fix your vote. You're admittedly deciding between 2 or 3 of your top town reads. It really shouldn't matter that much which of them you vote; except that a vote for Zdenek is a vote for no lynch.
@TS/BL/Dana/DGB/Thor-
I'm realistically the only other player who is suspicious of Zdenek who is not currently voting him. CUT THE CRAP AND VOTE A VIABLE CANDIDATE.
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I've already answered this and never claimed (or backpeddled - better's choice) that I called Zed a town read.Kast wrote:@Thor-
You said you think all three candidates are town. If you seriously intend a no lynch, then why the hell are you voting one of the candidates you think is town?
Or you can just keep running with the theory that I have no internal consistency at all in anything I post, I know some people are excitedly sniffing about that but it's all smoke and mirrors.-
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@Kast - Exceedingly minor *might* mean something in the way I'm using it. MoI will be angry I'm splitting language hairs, but there it is. Pay attention to you suggesting that all my town reads (being equal) should mean I'm willing to vote for any of them. I don't have an exceedingly minor town read on Feysal. I don't understand why this is confusing.
I said I thought a no lynch was preferable to a Feysal lynch - that doesn't mean I prefer a no lynch to a Zdenek lynch, nor do I see how you took it to mean that.
I'm not sure if I've ever done it before - let's presume i haven't for the sake of whatever argument you wish to present about it.-
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@Kast - I very much disagree with your logic breakdown - by your logic anyone not voting Feysal is supporting no lynch. To that I say 'Pffft'. I also explained my logic for the Zde vote despite the town read there. And it *does* make a difference how strong the town read is.-
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Ooooh, looky, looky, MoI scum. Who woulda thunk that. (P.S. - I will at least say, MoI, I feel better about your playstyle now that I'm confirmed it was uber bad for scum reasons - nothing but love to you in your cold, dead, grave...unless you were serious about all that, in which case I still hate you )
Kast wrote:Hi all,
I'm about 85% convinced Zdenek is scum.
Really? Now? Meh.
He's not the most brilliant player, that said I'm pretty certain he's town, so wtf my dear semi-bovine thing?Twilight Sparkle wrote:You spend the last two days or so in the thread jumping up and down screaming for a Feysal lynch. You act with swift urgency, yelling at absolutely anyone who doesn't vote Feysal. Finally, the wagon resolves, flips town...
and that has you 85% sure zdenek is scum?
@has - wtf my definitely bovine thing? A Twilight vote after the MoI flip? Head down somewhere around your udders or something? Please post a few lines about moving hands and pointing that I will *not* understand and have to have someone else translate to explain that one please. I really don't follow.
Where's this from? I'd love to put that dude in a clear town column and off my "oh dear gawd can we kill him?" column.Magua wrote:Shadow remains town.
As much as it pains me to side with Kast, I'll clarify that I don't like his logic, but I am leaning for a Zdenek lynch today. We could also string up Setael or DGB for laughs, I still don't have an awesome read on either of them.
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You're hungry, you want fish, but you need to add fish to the pond first...no, I got nothing.
Can't be rolefishing, as Twilight didn't do that.
Is it something about how she's pressing deluded obv. town Kast?
Or is it that you thought MoI was just bussing in all that Twilight vitriol or something?
I would gladly accept any help in translating anyone can offer.
You do have my thanks for at least not doing that arms wide thing though.-
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Actually we've been married for three years already. I move quick.Magua wrote:Thor, will you marry me?-
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3. Yes, I did say that, but counter wagon to Feysal still looks tasty for information. Raivaan wouldn't make me cry as a lynch, but honestly i want to see what Benmage says as he explodes on the scene before I get too excited there. Besides, 2-3 of my totally rectally extracte dreads have proven very accurate, I have to start doubting myself a little since I don't have a Fate sized ego don't'cha'know.
4. Guldurnit, am I seriously the only one with no friggin' clue what that guy is ever saying? At least I can spot how town Kast is without having a psychotic, murdering, mime, cow gesturing at me first though, so I can't be too stupid.-
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Pot, kettle?Kast wrote:Also,you're pretty bad at logic and making sense. When you make comments as if you are brilliant and baselessly attack/insult actual logical/rational/analytical players as if they are playing at your level, you're just going toannoy them with the pointless ad hom.
Also, I don't think my logic is anywhere near as bad as you believe it is. I just think it's not written in pretty little rows that would make you happier with it - I am quite capable of being extremely logical and pedantic if the situation calls for it, I have found my current style produces better statistical results in being correct in my reads however and thus choose to endorse it for the moment. If you really want to bring up a specific instance you feel I am lacking logic feel free, but I actually do think my current record in this game is not shabby at all whether or not I use logic in a way that pleases you.
And insulting dead MoI for the case he was pushing on me is tech, recognize.-
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::hurdy gurdy dance::LynchMePls wrote:Nevermind
LYNCHMEPLS – I IMPLORE YOU TO KILL HIM WITH FIRE TONIGHT!!!!
Unlikely to come from distancing scum partners.
But thanks for noticing, not to mention his wild, screaming, bad case didn't look like bussing...though I'll admit I was on the wrong end of that stick so I'm probably biased. Not to mention he was buddying me up until I suggested he was scum and then *boom* insta-Thor hate.
@Zdenek - Dude, I am amongst the most confirmed town here, and you seem to have missed the whole Kast, Twilight, cow situation. A vote on you is fairly tech and I choose to just scream 'gut' at this stage because I think it's the smart move. Let me assure you I'm not the smart town lynch if you do happen to be town, please go back and look for a different wagon so I can get a better read on you.
@Magua - wasn't I promised a "this is why Shadow is town" post? I want to move the newbie into a town slot with a pain that is akin to flaming gall stones, so please don't leave me hanging on that one.
@Bunnylover - LMP is not a smart play today, we still have a lot of town roles that could do all sorts of interesting to him if he is an SK, and at the very least we probably still have a scum or two out there to nail. Why don't we leave the SK speculation for a later date, yeah? Where are you on the Raivaan/Zdenek question?-
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@Magua - good point, I remember PMing Seacore and demanding the scum QT right when I got mine. Wouldn't expect scum to necessarily think outside of the box to make up that faketell, and even if I did Shadow wouldn't be who I would think would do it. I'm sold, Shadow can be town. Thank you.-
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@Magua - Derpy-derp-dee-doo? How about we let Zdenek fight that fight if he wishes? If he doesn't have the brass tacks to call Kast out I'd rather you didn't.-
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Let me tell you, I am reassured and solidified in spirit by him reading the thread in order. Such brilliant town play!popsofctown wrote:No. No... I can't keep going. Can I please be excused from reading the rest of Day 2? I can't take it anymore. This is too painful.
LMP is happy times.
Magua is - really don't understand his angle times.
I think Kast just noticed I'm only half as relevant as I appear and twice as dumb as I pretend to be...wait, I think I lost control somewhere there...
Yo, Zdeneck, if I said you had logic loop holes again would you show up and post something?
Preview Edit - and there goes Kast with the VI tag, woe is me and shame on him. I wonder if he'll notice MoI's buddying attempt and then wonder if MoI actually thought of me as a VI and then have a wonderous world of clarity opened up to him? Hope springs eternal.
@Magua - You really think kast is scum that decided to hyper push a mislynch yesterday on policy grounds and then claimed locating the SK? There's an easy way to test some of this, and it still gives me what I want which is some Zdeneck votes. Also, DGB has Z-boy in her worrisome list anyway, so whether or not Kast buys into her I'm not sure how I see that reflecting back on the Zdeneck issue.-
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I already answered your question. Here. If you want to ask again, at least re-phrase or I just start repeating myself.Zdenek wrote:Thor, answer my question, so that I know that you weren't just arbitrarily accusing me of things yesterday.
I had a theory to that which changes slightly considering Zdeneck's answer - basically ball is in Kast's court at this stage. But if you look at Kast's claims, and specifically what he's accusing Zdeneck of being as night kill revelations come in I feel it's pretty clear what he was getting at. Right now I'm a touch lost, hence the ball pass.Magua wrote:Seeing as I don't *have* Kast's information, there's nothing yet to change my read of Zdenek yesterday, which was non-Stark. Yes, SK is non-Stark, but what information is Kast going to have that tells him "Zdenek is SK" instead of "Zdenek is scum"?-
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Let's call it a made up reason, and see where you go from there. Fire away.Zdenek wrote:Thor, I would like it if you could point out the logical loops that you've said I was making, so that I can see if you were just making up a reason to vote for me yesterday or not.
...okay.hasdgfas wrote:
*points to tongue*Zdenek wrote:I am Tywin Lannister. I become night kill immune if Tyrion Lannister dies.
*rubs belly*
His words are sweet, like sugar, and you are hungry for him...?
Rubbing the belly = gut?
Are you pointing at his tongue or your tongue - I guess you're saying something about a gut reaction to something there, but considering you're voting Twilight all I got is maybe your gut thinks he's telling the truth?
Somebody, help, seriously.
Why doesn't this conversation happen every time the cow posts, seriously - YOU ALL CAN'T KNOW WHAT THIS STUFF MEANS EVERY TIME, STOP MAKING ME FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY ONE!
@Kast - please explain how you went from calling him scum to calling him SK that involves anything to do with LMP's action claim. Because you have lost me with that switch and now my head hurts.-
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Sweet, sour, salty, bitter?
Nothing to do with gut...
Ah, okay, got it - you want some sort of flavor claim, or have an issue with the flavor?-
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