Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #70 (isolation #0) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:45 am

Ok so, why Parama didn't send out a "ENOUGH PLAYERS HAVE CONFIRMED, HERE'S THE LINK TO THE GAME" PM before no is beyond me.

I had no idea this game had started.

Let me get caught up now (only 3 pages thankfully) and I'll give some input.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #71 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:48 am

King is terribad town.

He's not scum, because no scum in their right minds would complain about needing a reasoning to vote on SOMEONE ELSES wagon.

But he is stupid.

Moreover, I'm more interested in all the people who jumped onto his wagon. There are at least 2 scums in there looking for an easy lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #72 (isolation #2) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:02 am

Ok, here we go.

Re: People Voting on the King Wagon

@Empking: You gave "Panicking about votes" as your reasoning for voting King. I'm not sure how exactly this tell applies when it's not your own wagon.

Further, I find it incredibly town (incredibly stupid too... I mean, it's fucking RVS) that he is questioning the votes that came onto his Toog wagon. Scum wouldn't have any reason to question them right?

@Cooldog: Nice mirroring of Empking's vote and reasons bud. And actually, "scrutiny of votes early in the game" or at ANY time for that matter is a pro-town thing to do. RVS votes have more meaning than a lot of people give them. This vote is WORSE than Empking's because while Empking could just be wrong, you are wrong and opportunistic.

@Furcolow: Your reasoning "What, you don't like bandwagons?" is kinda weak. I mean, it reads to me as you saying essentially the same thing Emp and CoolDog said. Still though, I don't get the same scummy vibe from you as I do CoolDog. At least, not as STRONG a vibe.

@Exe: You're just wrong. He's not scared of votes. Why would he be scared of votes on Toog? It's not like HE was being run up. Learn to read. Actually, you're better than this. I feel like you are trying to misrep the situation.

Scum: CoolDog, Exe

Vote: CoolDog

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #73 (isolation #3) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:03 am

Oh, and just so you know, I do not feel that Slaxx or Hiraki are scum in their intent. The votes they placed were a lot better than any of the 4 mentioned above.

Further reading of King shows that he is a massive VI, but town.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #75 (isolation #4) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:14 am

bobsnox wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:King is terribad town.

He's not scum, because no scum in their right minds would complain about needing a reasoning to vote on SOMEONE ELSES wagon.

But he is stupid.

Moreover, I'm more interested in all the people who jumped onto his wagon. There are at least 2 scums in there looking for an easy lynch.
Scum like to nitpick to seem like they're being productive.

VOTE: King

Sorry for being inactive. I didn't realize the game had started.

In Order:

1) That's true, but no scum in their right mind would nitpick on something like this. Questioning RVS is asking to be lynched. Players will read it as scum by action, rather than assessing intent. This also lends to scum who are happy to hop on the wagon.
2) Your vote isn't all that great either TBH.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #78 (isolation #5) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:59 am

Empking wrote:LLD and Tajo: Why are both of you so stupid to think that scum don't have scumbuddies? Am I missing something?

You are suggesting that Toog and King are scum buddies?

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Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #81 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:04 am

@Tajo: CoolDog is the superior wagon.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #83 (isolation #7) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:12 am

Empking wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Empking wrote:LLD and Tajo: Why are both of you so stupid to think that scum don't have scumbuddies? Am I missing something?

You are suggesting that Toog and King are scum buddies?

nope.jpg
"Hey why are you joining my early distancing wagon!"

yep.jpg

Tajo: Scum don't want scum to die. The only reason why you could say "Why would he care about a possible scumbuddy of his dying" is if you decided he had no scumbuddies. So why do you think that?

Yes, because scumbuddies would be that obvious?

You're just trying to push the easiest wagon/lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #89 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:19 am

Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).

Further, it's an easy wagon as I explained earlier, because players will jump on anyone who questions RVS, completely ignoring any kind of intent. It already has 7 votes on it, and there is a lot of opportunistic scum on it looking for the easiest lynch.

Also, your proxy defense of CoolDog/Exe is noted.

P-Edit: On what ground Grey-kun?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #94 (isolation #9) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:32 am

Ok, so you've gone from being stupid to deliberately misinterpreting my points.

The first point is just an obvious statement of fact. Question who is on a wagon with you is a town move. Scum would rather just let the wagon ride.

The second point is proven by the fact that the King wagon EVEN EXISTS. Simply by the existence of this wagon, this level of reasoning is possible for

Furude Erika

Lady Lambdadelta.

On the third point, nice deflection.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #96 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:36 am

Grey-kun, why don't you go an properly read what I have posted, and see if you can determine what I think about the King wagon?

I mean, if you had even read my posts, you'd know what my opinion is.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #100 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:40 am

Empking, if you read my posts, I've given my intent read on King. It's a town intent to question people who are on your wagon. I do not draw any conclusions about Toog's allignment from King's towniness.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #106 (isolation #12) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:46 am

Empking wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Empking, if you read my posts, I've given my intent read on King. It's a town intent to question people who are on your wagon.
It wasn't King's wagon. (I'm not sure exactly what you mean but either way it wasn't King's wagon.)

That's my whole point. He was questioning the people who were on the Toog wagon with him, which is a town tell.

(Oh, wait, I see. I meant the Toog wagon that King started, not the wagon ON king.)

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #111 (isolation #13) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:49 am

@Grey-kun: The scum on the wagon can be found in Furcolow, Exe, CoolDog, Bobsnox (and I get a weird feeling about Emp, but I'll take your word for it on the meta GI).

CoolDog is #1, followed by Exe/Furcolow at #2.

P-Edit: Ok, I see what you are thinking Emp. I respectfully disagree, but at least I have a more town read on you now that I see your intent.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #125 (isolation #14) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:10 am

bobsnox wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Yes, because scumbuddies would be that obvious?
They can be, yes.

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).
This is an equally bad argument. WIFOM, question begging, etc.

Anyone else of the opinion LLD might be scum covering
for someone she knows is town
to gain towncred? She seems very adamant we're all wrong about King. Too adamant.

Why this argument? The more obvious one would be to say I was chainsawing King, and that he and I were scum together.

It almost seems like you know that King is town, and yet you are still voting for him...

As a matter of fact, this post basically confirms that you at least

believe

king is town, if not have

confirmation

of such.

And yet your vote is still placed on him.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bobsnox

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #127 (isolation #15) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:14 am

To be more clear, this is Bob:

1) Distancing from the King wagon so that he can claim he said this tomorrow should he be run up
2) Planning his lynches for the next day. (First King, then when King flips town, using this post to run me up)
3) Showing his confirmation that King is town.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #129 (isolation #16) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:15 am

GreyICE wrote:I can't argue with that. MPM and Beefster much?

Unvote Vote:Bobsnox

Hey! Maybe you have photographic memory after all! This is exactly where I drew this scum tell from. :3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #133 (isolation #17) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:21 am

On-Going Grey-kun. Shh.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #137 (isolation #18) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:33 am

Empking wrote:I'm glad about Toogeloo's vote. Part of me was wondering about the tell LLD found. Nice to know that Toogeloo was waiting around to find a wagon he could save King with.

Would you like me to explain it, or did you find it?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #141 (isolation #19) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:42 am

bobsnox wrote:what????

that's even worse reasoning and I'm amazed you guys just took the bait.

Why is it bad reasoning?

If you had a response to it, you would have refuted my arguments already.

Instead, you say it is bad, and give no reason as to why?

P-Edit:

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #142 (isolation #20) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:43 am

In other words, Bobsnox just claimed scum.

Again.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #160 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:36 am

Bob should be claiming.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #180 (isolation #22) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:20 am

GreyICE wrote:Ooh, I got you.

Papa Zito actually thought I was your alt for a while until [redacted] with both of us in it

Why do I always read as an alt?

You think

you

get a lot of Alt speculation?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #186 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:46 am

KingTwelveSixteen wrote:OH JEEZ I JUST GOT THAT.

I feel so stupid.

Oh My God, U Stupid?

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #191 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:07 am

@Grey-kun: You ignored me.

You think YOU get a lot of alt speculation? Imagine what I get. :3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #197 (isolation #25) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:14 am

CooLDoG wrote:Wait a second,
is the furc case based off of only two of his posts? I got the impression that it was well thought out.
Regardless furc needs to post more.

...

CooLDoG wrote:
TheLonging wrote:what is your opinion on bob?
An okay lynch. I just don't like how it started. His refutation has to be the single worst post I have seen in a long time. I would vote for him if it came to deadline,
but I think furc/king are better lynches.

So you're admitting that you didn't actually have a case on Furc, but rather were just trying to sheep public opinion?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #200 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:19 am

CooLDoG wrote:@lady, yes you could say so. I read some posts that other people made and they seemed to make half-way decent points. I thought it was worth looking into and thus I pulled up an iso of furc and found he had only made 2 posts.

Oh god. That's about the only town answer to that question.

Jesus, it's so bad... but it's town. >.<

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #206 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:23 am

Yeah, I see it now Grey.

Again, you ignored me twice dammit.

Grey, if you think you get a lot of alt speculation, how much do you think I get?

Hiraki, Grey has been calling CD town since minute one.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #211 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:28 am

I'M SCUM HUNTING TOO.

BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE FUN TOO. ENJOY~ IT.

ALSO, I'VE BEEN CALLED A UK ALT, AND A HAYLEN ALT.

PROBABLY BECAUSE MY FIRST TWO GAMES WERE BASTARD MODS.

OH WELL.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #212 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:29 am

CooLDoG wrote:Also depending on how (if) bob flips I slightly suspect ladylambddelta...

Dare I ask?

Yeah, ok. I will.

What about Bob's flip would make me scum?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #216 (isolation #30) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:35 am

CooLDoG wrote:He flips town I'm voting you tomorrow. I just don't like how the wagon started and then everybody flocking to what ladylabda says is a good lynch. Don't get me wrong I don't like bob's play ether but there is a difference between stupid as hell scum and stupid as hell town. I admit its part (mostly) gut, but gut reads can be correct.

If he flips town, then he is officially going on my auto vig list.

Just so you know.

But even if he flips town, why would you be suspicious of me, and not the people who decided to sheep me for an easy lynch?

Your logic in this situation is weird...

But it doesn't matter. Bob's not flipping town.

P-Edit: DAMN YOU HIRAKI. DAMN YOU. WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THAT COMPARISON?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #221 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:41 am

Exe.

Why?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #262 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:50 pm

GreyICE wrote:
Vote: KingTwelveSixteen

Two competing wagons. One town, one scum? Would scum quickhammer if they were both town?

How was Bob not scum? I'm this close to putting him on an auto vig list for being so bad. >.<

In other news, Exe was obv-scum.

I really don't want to vote King. TBH, it's probably my pride getting in the way, but I don't want to admit I was wrong about Bob AND King.

Toog is a good wagon though. I agree with Slaxx on the point that he's not giving as much effort as he could.

VOTE: Toog

Let's see if some pressure gets him going, hmm?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #267 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:08 pm

Toogeloo wrote:
Toogeloo wrote:
I would be inclined to go with either a Furculow or Exe wagon atm.
I will not be voting for King1216. CooLDoG I am not as interested in simply because he is putting in more effort than the former two I mentioned.
I did advocate wagoning 2 people yesterday, early on, neither with votes, and one of them has flipped scum. You people can go to hell ^_^.

Vote: Furculow

I love you too Toog <3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #290 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:01 pm

UNVOTE: Toog

He's satisfied my complaints and more.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #296 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:05 pm

GreyICE wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:UNVOTE: Toog

He's satisfied my complaints and more.
How is anything he wrote satisfying?

It makes me hungry for blood.

My vote was based on his play being poor and lacking content.

It no longer has that problem.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #321 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:28 pm

Vote: Furcolow

So, I'm scum for "pushing CoolDog", but you're allowed to have him on the top of your big list?

Contradictions, ho!

Further, nice rolefishing you got there. "Has a vig come forward yet?"

Why would a vig claim? Why would town want the vig to claim?

I wasn't sure on you due to lack of content (and my bob read being wrong X( )

But now I'm sure. This is scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #323 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:33 pm

OMGUS is a buzzword that you aren't even applying properly.

It only applies if I vote you and I don't have valid supporting reasons.

Guess what? You contradicting yourself, plus your rolefishing?

Those are called valid reasons.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #348 (isolation #38) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:51 am

Slaxx wrote:Soooo take a stance and vote one then. I wanna see who you pick.

In the mean time, I agree with Hiraki about GreyICE's vote. I'm at a loss so I will probably reread again.

I would like to call attention back to pop placing a town read on M=W day 1 when MW had only posted a RV. What do people make of this?

Wait, he did?

Shit. I'm gonna have to take a look at him now >.<

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #352 (isolation #39) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:58 am

On one hand Slaxx... he's got Me=Weird in town.

On the other hand... he voted Exe in that post....

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #354 (isolation #40) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:04 am

Slaxx wrote:Yeah, he also randomly jumped off Exe (Exe had not yet responded, neither had Fur, so it was rather unprompted) and onto Fur, if you will recall.

Hmmmm.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #379 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:56 pm

TOWN
--------------------
Slaxx
Hiraki
TL
-
CoolDog
GI
Me=Weird
TC
Shattered
-
Tajo
King(???)
Toog
Furcolow
-------------------------------
SCUM

I read town on King yesterday, but with Bob's flip, and Exe's vote, King looks bad now. I still have my doubts though, hence the question marks.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #381 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:02 pm

Oh, I'm sorry.

Swap TC and You on that list Toog.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #418 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:52 pm

Slaxx, didn't I already answer your question about how I felt about the Tajo unvote?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #420 (isolation #44) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:54 pm

Oh, I meant to follow that with "I'm not liking this".

See: My scum list for evidence of that. Tajo is near the top of the scum end.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #425 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:00 pm

Why did you unvote so fast Tajo? Why even put the vote on Exe if your case was so weak, sufficient that it could be removed without needing Exe to explain himself?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #429 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:06 pm

Tajo, regardless, the vote clearly wasn't intended to push Exe very hard.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #460 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:41 am

tclawren wrote:NS is shattered viewpoint? o.O

Furc solidifies himself as town in my book after that post.

Nope.jpg

But, for the sake of argument, explain why?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #462 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:50 am

tclawren wrote:@LLD: I like the way he's letting us into his mind while his opinion is being changed. It shows me that he was writing this while reading and didn't really go back to edit it to make it sound more "consistent." Scum tend to be much more careful about their usage of phrases and posts. In other words
I think the structure of this post are a town tell.

The bolded is ridiculous and cements my scum read on both you and Furc.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #510 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:27 am

What the fuck is wrong with you CD?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #517 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:21 am

@Furcolow: The reason the post by TC was bad was because he thinks you can base town intent off of the structure of a post.

Essentially, it's like saying because I use an @ symbol in my posts, that makes me town.

That makes a WHOLE lot of sense, right?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #520 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:51 am

GreyICE wrote:LLD, why is that so bad? I understand where he's coming from, even if he doesn't express it properly. Scum usually are 'more careful' about what they post than town.

As an observation, would you say scum are more likely to edit their posts and otherwise have an unnatural tone, as compared to town? (And I remind you what sent SnowJordan to his grave )

That game's not even worth quoting. He was scum for so many other reasons.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #528 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:20 am

Congrats CoolDog....

You get a bottle of WIFOM, which by definition makes Tajo either town or scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #534 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:37 am

So um.... I'm not going to be around for 7 PM CST.

You guys will have to ensure that we don't miss the deadline.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #536 (isolation #54) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:38 am

OH NVM

DEADLINE IS TOMORROW, NOT TODAY.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #567 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:25 pm

Slaxx wrote:
Vote: Deadline Extension

Grey, I will get back to you on that. I have gotten really bad vibes from Lady today, and slightly bad vibes from TL. Your entrance onto the wagon is still o.o but the rest of your play has felt at least decently town.

Lady feels like she is kind of trying to blend in and play it safe when I address her. TL's responses to his wagon are meh and if I recall he hasn't pushed on many people besides Fur. But that is one of the reasons I unvoted, I need to reread again to make sure anyway.

My reads have all gone to shit.

I thought King was obvtown, but Exe's hammer yesterday + Bob flipping town confuses that.

I thought Tajo was obvtown, but his recent play has been less than stellar, and his quick hop onto my vote yesterday is looking bad because of Bob flipping town.

I thought CoolDog was scum yesterday, but his posts today and his defense of Bob yesterday are looking good. Once again, because Bob flipped town.

Suffice it to say all my reads have flipped themselves on their heads because

bob flipped town.

So now I'm in the process of trying to sort through my reads. I posted a list of my reads list earlier, but I'm still conflicted about a lot of them.

The one person I'm not conflicted about is Furcolow. He's consistently scum yesterday and today, and that's where my vote is right now.

This may come off as wishy washy to you, but my reads are in transition, and I need to solidify them however I can. And the best way to do that is to have scum!Furcolow die, and then we can work from there on who would be his buddy. Currently I would be leaning towards TC.

Does anyone want to explain to me why King is scum BESIDES the Exe Hammer?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #569 (isolation #56) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:31 pm

Toog is neutral at the moment.

My problem with him at the beginning of today was that he hadn't backed up any of his suspicions with a case, or posted anything resembling content.

He rectified that on demand, and surpassed my expectations.

He was a town read yesterday, that has dropped to leaning town/null.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #571 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:41 pm

Hammer what? Both Wagons are at 5 votes.... it takes 7 to lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #573 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:55 pm

Further, why do you want this wagon hammered so quickly? We're asking for a deadline extension aren't we?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #589 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:38 pm

I happened to watch that game Tajo, mostly due tone being part of it.

It's a bad example.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #615 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:20 pm

I don't think Furcolow is the one who broke rule 1, but rather Cooldog... @_@

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #631 (isolation #61) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:00 pm

7pm CST on April 17th

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #633 (isolation #62) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:16 pm

I wouldn't lose sleep over a King vig-shot.

I think Furc needs rope badly.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #640 (isolation #63) » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:31 pm

GreyICE wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I wouldn't lose sleep over a King vig-shot.

I think Furc needs rope badly.
You're strongly for Furcolow scum?

It is my ONLY strong read at the moment.

Everything else has been muddled by Bob flipping town.

But I'm confident that when Furc flips scum, my reads will clarify themselves.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #660 (isolation #64) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:47 am

Toogeloo wrote:But it opens the door for one vote for King or one unvote for Furc to change the lynch. Scum wouldn't take a 2 vote padding and change it to a 1 vote difference.

I still say both Furc and King are town, especially given activity levels.

If Furc flips scum, I'll be coming back to this quote. This is a rather shitty defense.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #668 (isolation #65) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:54 am

Toogeloo wrote:I think Furc might be town based on how I feel about a couple people voting for him.

This is a good reason reason to lynch Furc.

I mean, besides Furc's play so far (which is scummy), being enough on its own as well.

But this defense of Furc from Toog is just so bad that it's worth seeing Furc flip, just to determine Toog's intent behind his defense.

Further, if Furc flips scum like I think he will, this makes Toog obvscum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #670 (isolation #66) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:01 am

Pine wrote:At this point, I think Furc's flip will provide us with a wealth of information. By comparison, a King flip will give us very little new info.

That's one reason. Not the main one.

The main one is that he's scum.

Don't ever forget that. If you don't think Furc is scum, don't be voting him.

No matter how much information you think you will get, lynching scum is always the most important goal.

Scum>Information.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #673 (isolation #67) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:18 am

Pine wrote:Which is why I'm voting for him, Lady. I was voting for him as probable scum way before it became apparent to me that his lynch would also yield quite a lot of information and insight into peoples' motives.

Including yours.

This interaction and this post specifically are being noted for tomorrow.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #675 (isolation #68) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:34 am

The following is your posts, as how I read them:

1) "Furc is a good lynch because he provides information."
2) "If Furc flips town, Lady is probably scum."
3) "Oh, I only would have a MILD suspicion of you."

Here's how I see it: There is the potential for you to be setting up 2 mislynches. Further, when I called you on it, but without specifics, you immediately back peddle and start throwing out the "mild suspicion" line.

I'm just saying that this looks bad.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #729 (isolation #69) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:40 am

Slaxx wrote:I think its interesting how King thinks it likely for Furc to be third party but not scum. Anyone else read into that or just me?

King needs a bullet between his eyes.

Him and Tajo.

If our Exe killer is a town sided vig, they'll shoot King or Tajo tonight.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #735 (isolation #70) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:46 am

Furcolow wrote:populartajo, I am not claiming
You are all over the place on this page, and I have some catching up to do.

If you all want me gone, so be it.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #750 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:53 am

Vote: Tajo

I needed to see the Furc flip for myself, but Furc being town means that Tajo is all but confirmed scum. I was thinking that it might just be town getting impatient due to deadline... but I was wrong. Furc was town, and so Tajo is scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #754 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:08 am

GreyICE wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote: Tajo

I needed to see the Furc flip for myself, but Furc being town means that Tajo is all but confirmed scum. I was thinking that it might just be town getting impatient due to deadline... but I was wrong. Furc was town, and so Tajo is scum.
Not sure I like this.

You 'had' to see the Furcolow flip? Why? I said it myself, whenever you see a vote like that, the flip isn't coming up scum. Furcolow was scummy as shit (I hated the "I can't vote for scum because it might be OMGUS" bit) but he was town.

What made you think Tajo might be town, and Furcolow might be scum? If there were reasons Tajo might be town, don't they apply regardless of flip?

Furc was scummy as fuck. I refused to believe he was town until I saw it myself.

Tajo could have been town seeing the same things I was, and was being over eager.

He wasn't scummy until Furc was shown to be town.

At which point, Tajo becomes scum.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #756 (isolation #73) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:35 am

populartajo wrote:Doubt I can get enough people on my wagon.

Unvote Vote: Furcolow.

Claim.

How about this?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #764 (isolation #74) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:27 pm

Eh... I don't see Tajo and TL as scum together.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #767 (isolation #75) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:31 pm

Toog, now reading your post, what is your opinion on the following?

Tajo-SK
TL-Scum

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #770 (isolation #76) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:43 pm

Toogeloo wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Toog, now reading your post, what is your opinion on the following?

Tajo-SK
TL-Scum
I've like Tajo, so if he is SK, I will be a sad panda. I don't think there is enough information yet to really determine a SK; hell, King could be SK... I just know he is almost assuredly not mafia. SK speculation should stay with pretty much what I posted in the last post atm, as it does us no good to guess Vig or SK. If it's Vig, they are better off staying anonymous, if it's SK, they will stay anonymous (obv).

Ooooooh.

:goodposting:

I was not expecting that actually. I was expecting what Pine posted.

(Which coincidentally is :badposting:)

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #772 (isolation #77) » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:49 pm

Let me clarify. It's not like...terribad scum posting.

It's just not good town posting.

SK speculation kills a town. I was mostly testing Toog to see if he would keep up the SK spec or not.

You jumped in and commented. Not damning or anything, but it's a reason for me to keep an eye on you.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #799 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:36 am

@Tajo: The first two quote strips are GI talking about TL.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #807 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:44 am

But you had a case on TL?

You preferred that case.

Town pushes that case, instead of giving up and choosing an "inferior" wagon. (Inferior to you.)

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #841 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:40 pm

@Tajo: How are you going to defend the rolefishing claim? That seems pretty cut and dry. Why would you want him to claim, but not want him dead, as town?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #858 (isolation #81) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:48 pm

Read the flavor closely.

It keeps referring to that unnamed gang member as "he".

You don't think Parama would be someone to make that kind of slip, would he?

Besides that... I think it's time to look back at all the scum who are dead and see if we can't connect a few dots.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #861 (isolation #82) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:55 pm

Parama wrote:
"He" is used as a gender-neutral pronoun for all mystery characters in flavor. Note that flavor is merely for enjoyment purposes only.

Thank You Parama. :3

@GI: I feel the same way. This is getting ridiculous. Thank god for our vig.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #864 (isolation #83) » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:34 pm

Hiraki did a LOT of defending of TL.

Hmmm

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #874 (isolation #84) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:10 am

After an extensive VCA that you will see below, I have found a place I am happy to put my vote.

VOTE: CoolDog

HoS: Tclawren

FoS: TheLonging

One of these three is your last scum (assuming a 4 person scum team), and likely-hood of each one being scum descends as you go down the list.

VCA STARTS HERE

If you look at the original King1216 wagon that got 7 votes, this is who you see on it.

Remember, King is obv town.

[7] KingTwelveSixteen -

Hiraki

,

Empking

, CooLDoG,

Slaxx

,

Furcolow

,

Exe

,

bobsnox

Only 2 scum on a 7 person wagon? I mean, sure, it's possible that the other two scum were both off doing something else... but why wouldn't they try and take the opportunity for an easy Day 1 lynch?

I'm going to ignore the Bobsnox lynch, because it is my opinion that the scum slip I found was legit, and by all right he should have flipped scum.

He just didn't

Next wagons to look at are Day 2 Dueling wagons of Furc and King1216.

[6] KingTwelveSixteen -

Furcolow

, tclawren,

Hiraki

, CooLDoG,

populartajo

,

Slaxx

[4] Furcolow - TheLonging, Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE, KingTwelveSixteen

No one has flipped who was on the Furc wagon at that point... but the real interesting thing is the two people left alive who were on the King1216 wagon.

CoolDoG and Tclawren.

I have my doubts about TC... but this is the second time CoolDog has been on a town wagon (Yes, I know King hasn't flipped town or anything, but if King isn't town I'll eat my hat.)

And this time, there is only one other scum on the wagon with him. Assuming a 4 person scum team (with Exe dead making it 3), you would expect a potential mislynch wagon like that to have at least one more scum on it.

Here's the lynch that day:

[7] Furcolow - TheLonging, Lady Lambdadelta,

Pine

,

populartajo

,

KingTwelveSixteen

, tclawren,

Slaxx

There are no flipped scum on this wagon yet.

Is it possible that town lynched Furcolow of its own accord? Yes, but not likely. There is a plausible case to be made that all the scums were on the King wagon, but I'd rather believe that Tclawren (who was on the King wagon too) jumped over to the Furc wagon to get the mislynch.

Day 3:

There were only 2 vote counts in Day 3

[4] populartajo - GreyICE, Lady Lambdadelta, TheLonging,

Hiraki

[2] TheLonging -

Pine

,

populartajo

[1] KingTwelveSixteen - tclawren
[1] Lady Lambdadelta - CooLDoG

Here is an interesting development. Tclawren is back on King and CoolDog is voting me. There wouldn't be much of a problem with CoolDog voting me, because he has expressed suspicion of me all game (wrong but consistent).

The real kicker about CoolDog is the next vote count.

[6] populartajo - GreyICE, Lady Lambdadelta, TheLonging,

Hiraki

, CooLDoG,

populartajo

[1] TheLonging -

Pine

[1] KingTwelveSixteen - tclawren

He switches his vote over to the Tajo wagon, which prompts Tajo to self-hammer as town.

Again, only one scum is on that lynch wagon that is revealed. Remember, this is Day 3, so both Regfan and Exe are dead and we are assuming 2 scums left.

It would make sense that both scum would be on this wagon... or that the scum team is Hiraki and TC.

About TheLonging: I want you to examine the wagons above. Pine is the sole voter for TheLonging. With Tajo's case on TL and his dying breath being "Lynch TL", it would make sense for a TL/Hiraki scum team to kill the only person in the game who was voting for one of them. Thus, it eliminates someone who would potentially believe Tajo's "case" and follow up on it today.

That's your VCA. Potential scums: CoolDog, Tclawren, TheLonging

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #875 (isolation #85) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:11 am

CooLDoG wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Read the flavor closely.

It keeps referring to that unnamed gang member as "he".

You don't think Parama would be someone to make that kind of slip, would he?

Besides that... I think it's time to look back at all the scum who are dead and see if we can't connect a few dots.
Trying to clear ourselves aren't we? I have suspected you the entire game, and this post secures my suspicions.

vote: Lady Lambdadelta

I got ninjad by a llama. Is that a bad omen?

Secures

YOUR

suspicions?

Nah bro. This confirms mine. This post is attacking Rhetoric instead of intent. This post plus a VCA means I'm VERY happy to be voting you right now.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #876 (isolation #86) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:12 am

EBWOP: Shit, a new page.

The VCA is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2986200

Everyone should read it and give opinions.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #883 (isolation #87) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:39 am

@Toog: How can you throw just any name in there?

The votes are all there. Votes don't lie.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #884 (isolation #88) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:44 am

I kinda have a problem with that Empking post...

-sigh-

I did, too. Until I removed it and auto-lossed the violator. It never happened.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #886 (isolation #89) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:55 am

@Mod: How does removing it fix the problem when at least 3 of us saw it? >.<

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #888 (isolation #90) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:00 am

On that note:

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@Toog: How can you throw just any name in there?

The votes are all there. Votes don't lie.

Toog, wanna answer? I can't just throw any name in there. For example, can I just throw your name in there? or King's?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #890 (isolation #91) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:06 am

TheLonging wrote:
TheLonging wrote:For the record, I'm curious to know; what do people think of me?
This is a question I really do want answered btw

As a person? Or in the game?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #892 (isolation #92) » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:26 am

@Toog: Yes, they can be applied to me.

But I know I'm town, so why would I apply a VCA to say otherwise?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #907 (isolation #93) » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:43 am

Toogeloo wrote:CooLDoG for SK maybe?

I dunno... where is everyone? Not like we don't have a very limited amount of time here or anything >_>.

To be honest, when I made the VCA I totally forgot about the SK dynamic.

So yeah, CoolDog could easily be SK... and then maybe TC is maf.

I still think CoolDog is more scummy than TC though. I'd like to see him lynched.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #911 (isolation #94) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:52 am

Toog, don't you find it weird that CoolDog leaves NOW?

I mean, he sees you applying pressure to me and GI, and decides to let you handle things and initiate operation lurk2victory?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #916 (isolation #95) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:23 am

@TL: Replace King with TC and drop Toog, and I'll agree with you.

In any case, we have a common denominator. That should be our play for today.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #919 (isolation #96) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:06 am

KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@TL: Replace King with TC and drop Toog, and I'll agree with you.

In any case, we have a common denominator. That should be our play for today.
Honestly, the only reason I haven't voted CooLDoG today yet is because people in this game apparently can't stop themselves from quicklynching.

Only scum would quick lynch at this point.

It's anti-town, considering we are having 2 kills a night, and could easily end up in MYLO if we mislynch today.

Not that CoolDog is a mislynch anyway, so that's not really a problem.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #924 (isolation #97) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:18 pm

CooLDoG wrote:Honestly guys, I posted v/la in another game that I'm currently in. You can check it out but I'm not linking to it. I'm not particularly religious or anything but I do spend time with my family on Easter, its a tradition. If I'm reading the vote posts correctly it seems that me going v/la is the only reason for the votes, I can't defend the date of a holiday, so unless you get an actual case on me I won't be able to defend myself... Also Gray has my mafia skills perfectly pin pointed, That's why I'm trying to improve....

I have always suspected toog from early game, but I'm more inclined to go for one of my stronger reads
unvote, vote: ladylambda
I don't like how she hops on my and Box's wagon. And that her cases are horrible.

Does Box=Bobsnox?

If so, you're fucking stupid.

I started that wagon based upon a scum slip.

Everyone then jumped on it.

I didn't "hop" onto any wagon.

Also, again, I

started

this wagon on you today.

How am I "hopping" onto wagons?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #927 (isolation #98) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:35 pm

I didn't just vote you and call you scum.

I did a fucking VCA. I spent 30 minutes on that shit. I also gave other reasonings.

Here's another thing: You were on V/LA until the 26th. Convenient that you came back the second that people started suspecting you for it.

Also, fine. "Alleged" Scum Slip. It was fucking scummy. Don't even.

So your points are weak, transparent, and false.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #929 (isolation #99) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:44 pm

Dude, that post is missing a vote.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:56 pm

CooLDoG wrote:Yes and I came back in my other game as well, and I also came back when I said I would in my v/la post. Also 1 vote =/= people suspecting me. Also almost no content was created while I was gone, so what would I have said even if I was here?

Actually this is more dodging and more lies.

There were two votes on you, AND Toog, King1216, and TL all were expressing suspicion of you because of your lurking.

Lady Lambdadelta · Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:01 pm

KingTwelveSixteen wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Dude, that post is missing a vote.
Bah, I bet the second I put him at L-1 he's gonna get quickhammered by someone.

Also, answer to case against you CooLDoG?

Anyone who does that would be confirming themselves as scum, and would be lynched tomorrow.

Town would never do that. Not with what is at stake. And frankly, scum would never draw attention to themselves like that.

L-1 is so that CoolDog will claim, an so that he is within hammering distance at deadline.

Remember, because this is a plurality lynch, if we don't have someone at L-1, then the scum/sk can force a lynch on someone by putting them into th highest plurality spot, if people aren't online for the deadline.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:41 am

I actually figured that out Parama.

I figured out how the kill system worked right after Hiraki died.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:54 am

I enjoyed this game.

This was a LOT of fun.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:02 pm

Seriously, I gotta give props to CoolDog (and Toog in the later game, but even HE didn't VOTE me.)

Only one who ever voiced suspicion of me, only one who ever voted me.

He's still gotta learn how to make better cases though.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:05 pm

Empking's post was something to the effect of "Lambda is scum because that VCA is horrible and scummy."

It wouldn't mean all that much coming from a living player (See: Toog)

Coming from a confirmed town dead player, it meant a whole load more.

Having confirmed town advocate your lynch seriously undermines your entire position in the game.

That's why I complained to Parama. Not that it mattered in the end.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:19 pm

Parama wrote:(^3postsup) Which is why I gave LLD an alternate wincon without telling her. If you had been lynched Day 4, you'd have won. Further days? nope.

Which is what I expected.

And to be honest, it was either gonna be me or a town member today, due to the Empking post.

No way was GI or TC gonna be lynched.

So it worked out.

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:22 pm

TheLonging wrote:I really hope you're saying that just to make me feel better <_<

If I was, would you hold it against me? ^-^

Lady Lambdadelta · Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:27 pm

Oh I see.

Fine then, I'll take my sympathy else where

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #974 (isolation #109) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:30 pm

bobsnox wrote:how many scum were on my wagon? those of you townies who listened to LLD about my "slip" or whatever should feel bad <_<

That was a beautiful play and I am so proud of myself for it.

It wasn't even all that bad a post... I just saw a way I could twist it, and I ran with it.

And it totally worked.

I was so proud :3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #979 (isolation #110) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:36 pm

Pine wrote:Son of a bitch. During the night I got killed, I figured out LLD was almost-certain scum, and Grey (who was buddying up to her all game) probably was too. And I had Hiraki as scum from the start. I'd have mislynched TheLonging though, so good kill and well done.

I knew you had it figured out too.

That's why I advocated your death that night.

They wanted CoolDog.

I was all like NOPE. Pine, and I'm shootin' him.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #981 (isolation #111) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:43 pm

I was actually the first to suggest Slaxx that night too....

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #983 (isolation #112) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:46 pm

I thought of you as a threat.

I don't know about anyone else :3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #984 (isolation #113) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:48 pm

Lambda
04-17-2011
04:39 PM ET (US)
Something isn't right.

6 scums in 15 player game?

And all town has is a vig?

No... something is wrong.

Anyway, a Slaxx kill tonight is beautiful.

I was the first one to suggest Slaxx AND Pine. :3

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #985 (isolation #114) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:49 pm

Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WpxU5msNaXuSs

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #989 (isolation #115) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:16 pm

GreyICE wrote:She definitely nailed the right NK then.

Don't I always?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #993 (isolation #116) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:33 pm

We never used Plurality though. We always reached threshold, so that's irrelevant.