Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

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unvote:
Vote: CJMiller

What, King, do you don't like bandwagons?

unvote;
vote: KingTwelveSixteen

what is this i dont even
voting against someone because he doesnt like bandwagons?

Lol obvscum is scared of votes in RVS. Nice.

Vote: King

this is also fail. why a scum would be scared of votes against another player?

easy target all the way, yeah i think king is likely town.

page 2
hiraki is town but wrong town.
so is slaxx.
togello is conservative town, his defense of king rngs sincere.

page 3
more of hiraky and slaxx being wrong townies.
more of togello conservative towniness
i dont like the longing vote; im waitng for a better description when he comex back
ladylamba is so town it hurts
i hate bobsnox vote in bottom of page.

damn too many town reads.

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town

06. KingTwelveSixteen
12. Lady Lambdadelta
14. Toogeloo
16. Slaxx
10. Me=Weird
11. Hiraki

neutral

03. Empking
04. CooLDoG
05. Shattered Viewpoint
07. GreyICE
09. CJMiller

scum

02. Furcolow
08. bobsnox
13. TheLonging
15. Exe

Vote: Exe.

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LLD and Tajo: Why are both of you so stupid to think that scum don't have scumbuddies? Am I missing something?

cut the personal attacks

i dont understand what makes you think that

be more specifici.

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Tajo: Scum don't want scum to die. The only reason why you could say "Why would he care about a possible scumbuddy of his dying" is if you decided he had no scumbuddies. So why do you think that?

but i have town reads on both toogelo and king. When did I say one of them was scum?

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why toogelo is town:

Hey Guys!
-getslynched.

bad first post as scum, brings unnecessary attention. (as it did)

I like advocating any lynch that isn't mine on the first page, but the votes on King are highly misreped considering all he asked for was reasons for votes that were on me. He at least gave one, everyone else who voted me didn't even say hello, just plopped down a vote. I can agree that reasoning, no matter how shitty and weak, should still be given in a vote, otherwise it just looks opportunistic at best.

the defense of king rings sincere albeit kinda wrong.
toogeloscum wouldnt have defended the kingtown wagon.
the only way this could make sense is if toogelo and king are scum together which is unlikely taking into account toogelo is so conservative*, it was page 2 and we are in a quicky game.

*

Am I supposed to have a scum read on page 2? I guess amongst all these people with scum reads on page 1, it seems a little abnormal. That's not how I play though, get used to it.

the list was meh, id say there is some merit on his analysis of the one post voters, but its not indicative of alingment, its indicative of the conservative playstyle: chasing lurkers.

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why furcolow is scum

page 1

unvote:
Vote: CJMiller

What, King, do you don't like bandwagons?

unvote;
vote: KingTwelveSixteen

what is this i dont even
voting against someone because he doesnt like bandwagons?

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LLD, lay off EmpKing. He's annoying, but he's obvtown.

Which probably means at least 50% of his reads are wrong

im really not used to active and agressive empking. its kinda a surprise.

emp: king isnt town because I think is town, its a mix of factors that include people voting against him using bad reasoning:
im curious, what do you think of Furc's reasons to vote king?

unvote:
Vote: CJMiller

What, King, do you don't like bandwagons?

unvote;
vote: KingTwelveSixteen

what about Exe's?

Lol obvscum is scared of votes in RVS. Nice.

Vote: King

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GreyIce

[6] KingTwelveSixteen[/size] - Hiraki, Empking, CooLDoG, Slaxx, Furcolow, Exe]

As I said, I think this wagon is full of wrong townies: hiraki, slaxx, maybe empking and scumbags riding the wagon using bad reasoning: furcolow and Exe.

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Pop

Furc: Its Furc but I agree with his vote. He's probably the scummiest on the King wagon.

so you think voting against someone because HE DOENST LIKE BANDWAGONS its good reasoning?

Exe: King is obvscum but Exe was the first to mention it. That looks like town to me.

How was Exe the first to mention it when he was the 6th on the wagon?

wow, you got a solid town read with one post. Are you really that good?

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guys too much talking, lets get another wagon right now, lets vote furcolow

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unvote vote: furcolow.

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Hiraki, what was your reason to vote king?

Okay, now that we're here, if there's a town wagon at L-2, there's scum votes on it. Period. Who are they?

hiraki, plz answer this quesiton.

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emp, who is the scum in king0s wagon?

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Hiraki, what was your reason to vote king?

Okay, now that we're here, if there's a town wagon at L-2, there's scum votes on it. Period. Who are they?

hiraki, plz answer this quesiton.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2948364

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2948423

Not really sure, if I had to take a blank guess, CooLDog and bobsnox. I'll look into it though.

im trying to understand your irnoy in your reasons but failing in the attempt, can you concies you reasons to think king is scum in one pargraph?
ps, why not furc?

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<3 LadyLambadelta

Unvote Vote: bobsnox.

THIS IS THE RIGHT LYNCH NOW.

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unvote

to prevent something stupid

i want more from the people that posted once or none.

Mod, please prod.

also a claim

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Slaxx, what do you think of the people that is constantly postng?

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Emp... he's voting King, meaning he thinks King is scum...

And he's suggesting LLD knows that King will flip town.

I still don't think keeping an open mind is a scum tell. The "Took the bait" thing is policy lynch material though.

why?

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what... am I one of the weakest members of the pack?

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in what games are you basing this theory "popular for scum to pick on"?

i didnt flake, i actually didnt have time atm and fate annoys me.

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can you show me the completed games where you have noticed this behavior?

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Am I the only one thinking Exe is bizarrely sure bob is going to come up scum?

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back.

First things first:

Furc is town, tclawren is so freaking right about him. I dont see furcscum putting exe on his list when scum would already known this and would probabaly have worked on an updated list. That means tclawren is town too.

Now;

I would like to call attention back to pop placing a town read on M=W day 1 when MW had only posted a RV. What do people make of this?

This post is slightly townie for rvs:

Vote: Hiraki
No reasoning(she had no reasoning, not I don't).

Yes, I get its RVS and that its difficult to believe I could get a town read with only a post, but I have.
The towntells in this post are two: not only me weird starts the game aggressively

(she had no reasoning)

, he also starts with careless aggression

(not I dont)

which is something scum generally avoid in RVS.

Yeah, he also randomly jumped off Exe (Exe had not yet responded, neither had Fur, so it was rather unprompted) and onto Fur, if you will recall.

it was not random, when I made that post I first checked the votecount in 104. I realized that king whom I have a town read on was the only wagon on the game. My top reads were Eze and Fur (if you isolate my posts youll see that I pushed hard for getting an Exe wagon but was never listened). TL was voting Fur, so:

guys too much talking, lets get another wagon right now, lets vote furcolow

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UPDATED

town

11. Hiraki
12. Lady Lambdadelta
16. Slaxx
09. tclawren
-------- small gap
14. Toogeloo
06. KingTwelveSixteen
10. Me=Weird
02. Furcolow

neutral

03. Empking TOWN

04. CooLDoG
05. Shattered Viewpoint
07. GreyICE

scum

08. bobsnox TOWN

13. TheLonging

15. Exe SCUM

I realize I have too many people on town which means I need to reread my weakest reads but in the meanwhile lest lynch the longing.

Vote: ThelOnging.

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The towntells in this post are two: not only me weird starts the game aggressively (she had no reasoning), he also starts with careless aggression (not I dont) which is something scum generally avoid in RVS.

That was his first post, and scum are always in RVS too. Your reasoning is very flawed.

Here's a good question.

Tajo, why did you call Furcolow Town on top, and then decided to quote your post about getting a BW on Furcolow, without editing it, on the bottom.

This seems like someone forgot what they said.

You are free to disagree with my reasoning. I realize its not solid reasoning and its very subjective but it was enough for me to give him town status.

Re: good question, I think Furc is town for a critical action day 2 (posting a list without updates when its pretty obvious scum have talked at night).

I posted my post about the BW on Furc because it explains why I unvoted Exe and voted Furc (to get a competing wagon against king).

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But you also dropped the Exe wagon with relative ease.

Anyway who is scum today tojo?

I already said that I unvoted Exe because I wanted to get a competing wagon besides king's one and there was already a vote on Furc while there was none on Exe.

Scum today: Longing.

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reason for calling longing scum: POE from my yesterday reads while I reread my weakest town reads.

159 - When bob flips scum, TheLonging is probscum. He lists Bob as scum, and yet doesn't vote or even talk about joining the wagon?

Lets imagine the context of this post. Exescum knows bob is going to flip town. What better idea to "bus" my scumpartner and then when bob flips town, have a way to call him town.

Exe we were waiting for a fucking claim, that is why we're mad.
And because you can't read at the fact that I voted bob.
And you voted bob thinking it was a L-1.
So you probably did it on purpose.

why is TheLonging so nice with Exe despite his obvscum move?

159 - When bob flips scum, TheLonging is probscum. He lists Bob as scum, and yet doesn't vote or even talk about joining the wagon?

Congrats exe, I voted him, and you hammered bob.
Wow, you can read.

Hmm, you're right. I somehow missed that you had voted him before you finished reading. My bad there.

Exe we were waiting for a fucking claim, that is why we're mad.
And because you can't read at the fact that I voted bob.
And you voted bob thinking it was a L-1.
So you probably did it on purpose.

I voted knowing it was L-1. I hammered because Bobs is scum. He did nothing to defend himself, even though he had a bunch of time.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

why do I feel TL is softly attacking Exe and not calling him scum?

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1) I'm not going to resort to petty insults, so I'll tell you right here; I wasn't being nice.

2) If you read anything within 3 pages of that post, you know that I called him scum and was not softly attacking him

As for that exe quote; "my scumpartner"? And what are you even talking about?

when did you call him scum?

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Oh, I meant to follow that with "I'm not liking this".

See: My scum list for evidence of that. Tajo is near the top of the scum end.

but I did explain why I did what I did :S

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2950465
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2950484
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2950521

I know what you're going to say YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIGHT but pointing out contradictions + anger + saying he did it on purpose = implying he's scum.

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

YOU DIDNT CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIHGT
Actually, yeah.
Compare your reaction to his contradictions

So you probably did it on purpose.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and compare your reaction to Furc scumminess.

I'm going to pressure this scum.

lynchlynchlynch

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A

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2950465
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2950484
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2950521

I know what you're going to say YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIGHT but pointing out contradictions + anger + saying he did it on purpose = implying he's scum.

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

YOU DIDNT CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIHGT
Actually, yeah.
Compare your reaction to his contradictions

So you probably did it on purpose.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and compare your reaction to Furc scumminess.

I'm going to pressure this scum.

lynchlynchlynch

And thats exactly my point.

You did a terrible job when you bussed Exe.

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Why did you unvote so fast Tajo? Why even put the vote on Exe if your case was so weak, sufficient that it could be removed without needing Exe to explain himself?

are you reading the game?

it was not random, when I made that post I first checked the votecount in 104. I realized that king whom I have a town read on was the only wagon on the game. My top reads were Exe and Fur (if you isolate my posts youll see that I pushed hard for getting an Exe wagon but was never listened). TL was voting Fur, so:

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so yeah fuck my case

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my case on the longing is awesome

and what do you guys do?

vote king?

so yeah fuck my case

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Votecount please.

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i still think Furc has a critical town post when he considers Exe and Empking in his catchup post when a scum would have already realized the night results.

Now, I realize I was wrong about Exe, but I've been in a game with him where he hammered a lot as town, so that is what had me leaning. Has a vig come forth?

this is important
link to the game plz.

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i isolated king once I realized I couldnt determine the scum in this wagon,

[5] KingTwelveSixteen - Furcolow, tclawren, Hiraki, Slaxx, CooLDoG

i remember giving him town status for easy target theory but this post screams bussing from both sides:

Lol obvscum is scared of votes in RVS. Nice.

Vote: King

I'm scared of votes on another player?

Unvote
Vote: Exe

im thinking he might as well be scum.

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why Hiraki?

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fuck it

Unvote Vote: king.

CLAIM TIME.

ATTENTION IDIOTS: HAMMERING WOULD MAKE YOU SCUM.

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I doubt scum would hammer again since Exe hammered and he was scum.

That was a way to tell IDIOTS townies to not hammer since it would be an auto lynch.

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actually its TIME to claim.

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Unvote Vote: TheLonging.

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Unvote Vote: TheLonging.

why? was it the claim?

yep vanilla claim specially in quick games is pretty much an assured lynch.

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no im not lynching because claiming VI is pretty much suicide in this game where deadline is tomorrow.

basically any other claim would have saved King for today at least.

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no im not lynching because claiming VI is pretty much suicide in this game where deadline is tomorrow.

basically any other claim would have saved King for today at least.

I'm trying to grasp this. Are you insinuating that King is scum from his claim, therefore, he's the wrong lynch?

I am insinuating that he is town because him as scum would have claimed everything but vanilla townie.

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FUCK WIFOM. how many people would hammer a claimed vanilla townie?

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I had this same argument in another completed game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2841820

Quick summary:

Almaster is at L-1. He claims high priest that is the vanilla townie role of the game.

P.S. I have no other abilities other than being a "High Priest," whatever that means.

I was town. I used the same reasoning.

I definitely see Almasterscum fakeclaiming a power role. Claiming vanilla at L-1 with so many people wanting to hammer and with so many people willing to change to hitoscum is extemely bad play as scum.

No, Im saying that if we assume Almaster is scum, he just claimed vanilla with so many people willing to hammer and with a group of people willing to change to hito if somehow he fakeclaimed a PR. Since that is extremely bad play as scum then Im thinking Almaster is town.

Some people listened to me but the end town somehow managed to lynch Almaster.

The result? Yeah.

AlmasterGM the Vanilla Townie was Lynched

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FUCK WIFOM. how many people would hammer a claimed vanilla townie?

LL, would you?

TL, would you?

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ok Im pretty sure the majority of people would lynch a scummy claimed vanilla townie.

TL, Tclawren, LL, would you lynch a scummy claimed doctor?

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You guys just proved my point.

People lynch scummy people claiming vanilla townies.

People DONT lynch scummy people claiming PRs.

Only SCUM wanting to die or TOWNIES telling the truth claim vanilla townies when there is a day to deadline.

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What could he have claimed that wouldn't have made you change your vote?

A terrible fakeclaim. Pressured scum about to be lynched can fail at fakeclaiming, can execute it poorly, can claim an already existent power role, dont claim results, etc.

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But I've seen some pretty damn convincing VT claims, and plain, simple "I'm a VT" isn't among them.

You seem not to have read this. Auto-lynching claimed VTs is stupid. ANY claim should make you review everything they've said in light of the claim, review the claim itself, and their last-ditch efforts.

can you cite those damn convincing VT claims?

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Am I seriously that wrong about this?

You guys just proved my point.

People lynch scummy people claiming vanilla townies.

People DONT lynch scummy people claiming PRs.

Only SCUM wanting to die or TOWNIES telling the truth claim vanilla townies when there is a day to deadline.

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All are off-site or ongoing, Tajo.

And it isn't

wrong

, just an over-generalization.

then why did you change your mind about me?

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Unvote Vote: TheLonging.

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lets lynch thelonging pleaes.

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lets lynch thelonging pleaes.

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what is the case for furscum?

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A

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2950465
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2950484
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2950521

I know what you're going to say YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIGHT but pointing out contradictions + anger + saying he did it on purpose = implying he's scum.

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

YOU DIDNT CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIHGT
Actually, yeah.
Compare your reaction to his contradictions

So you probably did it on purpose.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and compare your reaction to Furc scumminess.

I'm going to pressure this scum.

lynchlynchlynch

And thats exactly my point.

You did a terrible job when you bussed Exe.

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I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

lol when did you make Exescum obvious?

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Doubt I can get enough people on my wagon.

Unvote Vote: Furcolow.

Claim.

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CLAIM TIME.

ATTENTION IDIOTS: HAMMERING WOULD MAKE YOU SCUM.

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SUP GREYICE,

LET ME INTRODUCE YOU MY FRIEND CALLED CASE.

A

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2950465
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2950484
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2950521

I know what you're going to say YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIGHT but pointing out contradictions + anger + saying he did it on purpose = implying he's scum.

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

YOU DIDNT CALL HIM SCUM OUTRIHGT
Actually, yeah.
Compare your reaction to his contradictions

So you probably did it on purpose.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and compare your reaction to Furc scumminess.

I'm going to pressure this scum.

lynchlynchlynch

And thats exactly my point.

You did a terrible job when you bussed Exe.

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OH SUP THIS IS MY GIRLFRIEND ACCUSATION

I can call people scum outright, but I think it's more fun when I make it obvious and show why someone's scum.

lol when did you make Exescum obvious?

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AND THIS IS MY GAYFRIEND CALLED REASONING TO CALL LONGING SCUM

reason for calling longing scum: POE from my yesterday reads while I reread my weakest town reads.

159 - When bob flips scum, TheLonging is probscum. He lists Bob as scum, and yet doesn't vote or even talk about joining the wagon?

Lets imagine the context of this post. Exescum knows bob is going to flip town. What better idea to "bus" my scumpartner and then when bob flips town, have a way to call him town.

Exe we were waiting for a fucking claim, that is why we're mad.
And because you can't read at the fact that I voted bob.
And you voted bob thinking it was a L-1.
So you probably did it on purpose.

why is TheLonging so nice with Exe despite his obvscum move?

159 - When bob flips scum, TheLonging is probscum. He lists Bob as scum, and yet doesn't vote or even talk about joining the wagon?

Congrats exe, I voted him, and you hammered bob.
Wow, you can read.

Hmm, you're right. I somehow missed that you had voted him before you finished reading. My bad there.

Exe we were waiting for a fucking claim, that is why we're mad.
And because you can't read at the fact that I voted bob.
And you voted bob thinking it was a L-1.
So you probably did it on purpose.

I voted knowing it was L-1. I hammered because Bobs is scum. He did nothing to defend himself, even though he had a bunch of time.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

why do I feel TL is softly attacking Exe and not calling him scum?

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Pop why the Furc vote

deadline is in hours, I cant get people to understand my longing hate. I dont want no lynch.

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populartajo, I am not claiming
You are all over the place on this page, and I have some catching up to do.

If you all want me gone, so be it.

Refusal to claim is a reliable scumtell, fyi.

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I think its interesting how King thinks it likely for Furc to be third party but not scum. Anyone else read into that or just me?

King needs a bullet between his eyes.

Him and Tajo.

If our Exe killer is a town sided vig, they'll shoot King or Tajo tonight.

I already explained why King is town.

I am town.

So no.

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Furc is a machine of backtracking.

Vig Targets:
Cooldog
The Longing
populartajo

I like populartajos #384 (I believe), remove him from your list if you're following my list vig/sk

CoolDog on the bottom of page 18 is town

unvote
I liked King's case on Cooldog
I'm not sure if he's this bad as town as he was when I lynched him as scum.
vote: Cooldog
ebwop: oooh, a vote on populartajo... I will reserve mine to not appear to want to be OMGUSing, but I might hop on if that picks up steam.

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Doubt I can get enough people on my wagon.

Unvote Vote: Furcolow.

Claim.

How about this?

you mean having the balls to get the top wagon to l-1 and then force a claim so we can make a better decision?

how is that scummy?

slaxxtown and regfanscum is a lot of info so Id like people to reread them carefully before throwing votes.

which is what im going to do.

grey, why the vote?

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Why do you disagree with my Longing case? You keep shouting its balls but fail to analyse why its bad.

Re: Furc vote. Its not a weak vote. We were locked with a lot of people wanting to lynch Furc, with an impeding deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

What is the logical step? Dont do anything? Yeah, sounds like something scum would do when you know the top wagon is on town. Bpnus points because he could be a PR.

And you attack me for that? Really?

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I got the same King-town feeling as you did from reading those posts.

Notice how TheLonging goes from "Town" in the first list to "Unsure" in the second one? I'm thinking that was to sound a little less effusive about his buddy.

VOTE: TheLonging

Full case coming soon. I know I've been promising it, I'll follow through later.

Add this to my case.

Unvote Vote: TheLonging.

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toogelo is obvtown btw.

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why?, you ask.

I would also say that I am shocked he flipped scum. I honestly was getting a town vibe from him due to his eagerness and posting reads the way he was.

This leads me to believe that the extra kills at night are coming from a Serial Killer. I cannot fathom how a town-aligned vig could look at these posts and consider them scum and worth shooting Regfan over after his limited involvement in the game. My guess is that the Serial Killer was aiming for someone eager and pro-town in appearance and happened to hit Scum... again.

From these posts, King should be considered town at this point. Scum down a member, would not continue to bus their scum buddy (from the second post) who was just as close to being lynched yesterday as Town-furc was.

I would also guess that scum was weaved into the "Town reads" He has multiple town reads listed, so I am willing to bet at least one member that Regfan called town is probably scum.

This is very good analysis.

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And by the way, don't make me make a town case on TheLonging.

Im waiting for it.

[populartajo]

What's everyone else's opinion on Toogaloo? LLD? Hiraki? Pine?

Toogaloo: town since day 1 and his defense of king.
LLD: town and wrong.
Hiraki: slight town read for activeness.
Pine: meh, slight town because I agree with him but this is the one I need a reread of.

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UPDATED

town

11. Hiraki
12. Lady Lambdadelta

16. Slaxx

TOWN
14. Toogeloo
-------- small gap
09. tclawren
10. Me=Weird

02. Furcolow

TOWN

neutral

06. KingTwelveSixteen NEW

03. Empking

TOWN
04. CooLDoG

05. Shattered Viewpoint

SCUM
07. GreyICE

scum

08. bobsnox

TOWN
13. TheLonging

15. Exe

SCUM

Confirm Vote: TheLonging.

Case: scummy relationships with Exescum (inconsistencies in his attacks) and with RegfanSCUM (inconsistencies on reads).

[populartajo]

From isos and from people I get the impression are active posting:

LL: 4 pages of posts.
Greyice: 4 pages of posts.
Tajo: 4 pages of posts.
Hiraki: 4 pages of posts.

Yeah I think you are that active.

[populartajo]

^^answer to this.

Hiraki: slight town read for activeness.

I'm not even

that

active.

[populartajo]

He rides Furcolow and Toog. He's basically one of the louder proponents of Furcolow scum...

And? Why cant scum be a louder proponent of someone who (now we know) was an easy target?

And what does he do today? He seems to be reevaluating..

And? Isnt this a null tell? all players do that.

Whereas what do you do, Tajo?
1) You start yelling that TL is scum midday day 2.

So?

2) All of a sudden you jump on a wagon he's been a very vocal proponent of.

why do you like me repeating myself?

Re: Furc vote. Its not a weak vote. We were locked with a lot of people wanting to lynch Furc, with an impeding deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

What is the logical step? Dont do anything? Yeah, sounds like something scum would do when you know the top wagon is on town. Bpnus points because he could be a PR.

3) Today you go back to his wagon.

Yeah, I dont backtrack on my reads.

So you're obviously someone who cares a lot about what TL posts. When you voted yesterday did you think "Well, TL was probably bussing Exe AND Furcolow day 1, he hates his fucking scumteam?" Or did you think "I see a wagon that could go to lynch on town?"

First, he didnt "bus" Exe. He never called him scum, he went something like "quote scummy post and mmmmmmmmm". Thats why I attacked him day 2.
Second, he didnt bus Furc because Furc is town.

So thats why TL is town and why I am scum?

[populartajo]

I mean you realize at the point where he was bussing fur and Exe, his 4th partner was fucking ShatteredViewpoint/NobodySpecial, who was getting lurker lynched eventually at the rate things were moving.

again, he wasnt bussing Furc because Furc is TOWN.

what could TLscum do when there was a wagon growing against Slaxx? Yeah, bussing. And he did a TERRIBLE job with the "mmmmmmmm" stuff.

And I seriosuly doubt SV would have gotten lurker lynched before we got a replacement.

[populartajo]

@Tajo: The first two quote strips are GI talking about TL.

I know.

His reasons to call TL are nulltells at least (being a louder proponent of a lynch of an easy target and reevaluating things) are not necesarily things only TOWN do.)

[populartajo]

why do you like me repeating myself?

Re: Furc vote. Its not a weak vote. We were locked with a lot of people wanting to lynch Furc, with an impeding deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

What is the logical step? Dont do anything? Yeah, sounds like something scum would do when you know the top wagon is on town. Bpnus points because he could be a PR.

[populartajo]

So basically the scum play was to wait and get Furctown lynched with the deadline rules.

What is the town play?

Get that player to L-1, make him claim, evaluate the claim, lynch or retreat.

Is that really hard to understand?

[populartajo]

@Tajo: Fine. I'm not in for arguing why you think I'm town. I'm just saying, that's a really horrible reason to think anyone is town.

Not actually, lurkers are generally more likely to be scum while active posters are more likely to be town for the notafraidofwhatIpost.towntell.

[populartajo]

But you had a case on TL?

You preferred that case.

Town pushes that case, instead of giving up and choosing an "inferior" wagon. (Inferior to you.)

I was pushing for a TL case. The wagon had 2 votes at that moment.

Do you seriously think it would have been better if no one had put Furc at L-1 and got him lynched wiht the deadline rule with not a claim?

[populartajo]

He wasnt scummier than Cooldog or King. At some point of day 2 I was supporting Furctown for a critical point (posting dead players on hs list).

The point is that he was the lynching wagon at deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

[populartajo]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2968473

Dude that's the vote count.

I haven't 100% checked to see if it's wrong, but I don't think that Furcolow was the only viable lynch.

Yeah but I had explained why King was very unlikely scum for his vanilla claim.

[populartajo]

Tajo's last few posts are horrible.

@Tajo, Question: If player A posts 2 times a day, and player B posts 1 time a day, by your logic player B is scum because he doesn't post as much, correct? Also why are you going with the flow? Just because everybody wants to lynch furc doesn't mean its the best lynch. If everybody wants to jump off a cliff is that the right decision? Also trying to frame TL as the scummiest player is just wrong. Nothing else to say but,

unvote, vote: tajo

I had you down as nullish (flipping back and forth from town to scum), but now I have made up my mind that you are more likely scum then town.

yeah player B is more likely to come up scum.

attacks me for going with the flow.

his vote goes with the flow.

oh yeah.

[populartajo]

It was nearly 24 hours to deadline (which at this game's deadline pace is a decent length), he was at L-3, and there were other possibilities I see here.

Including continuing to push TL.

Your vote seemed opportunistic then.

And it seems opportunistic today.

Yeah, specially when I had pushed that TL case for more than 24 hours.

Fine, maybe next time I shouldnt have the balls to try to give the game the best possible decision.

Go ahead and lynch me.

[populartajo]

how can you attack me of going with the flow when you do the same thing?

[populartajo]

just lynch TL tomorrow.

[populartajo]

what could TLscum do when there was a wagon growing against Slaxx? Yeah, bussing. And he did a TERRIBLE job with the "mmmmmmmm" stuff.

Slaxx was obvious town, and clearly you don't understand the mmmmmmmmmm thing

I meant Exe. I understand the mmmmm, its scum attacking his scumpartner without calling him scum.

[Furc was never going to claim, he even said this once or twice. And yet you still switch over like you don't believe in the case. He was going to be lynched by deadline, so voting him for L-1 to try and get him to claim when he wasn't going to was an incredibly flimsy move on your part, borderline flailing.

He said he wasnt claiming AFTER I put him at L-1. Lying much?

"I don't know how to respond to you cooldog, so here's something.".

do you think its valid for him to attack me for the same thing he just did?

[populartajo]

Its called a logical fallacy tajo, wikipedia ass holes! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Also called you-too. You never refuted the point.

fuck fallacies

its called hipocrisy.

and I wasnt even going with the flow as I explained previously. I was trying to get a claim so town could make a better decision.

Pay attention.

[populartajo]

Do not lynch King.

Lynch TL.

And GreyIce.

Dont be stupid.

[populartajo]

Re: Furc vote. Its not a weak vote.

We were locked with a lot of people wanting to lynch Furc,

with an impeding deadline and HE HADNT EVEN CLAIMED.

What is the logical step? Dont do anything? Yeah, sounds like something scum would do when you know the top wagon is on town. Bpnus points because he could be a PR.

SO you weren't going with the flow, but you were going with the flow? Also I can't respond if you argue that the sky is green, it just ain't happening.

I DIDNT WANT TO LYNCH FURC. I WANTED A CLAIM.

[populartajo]

last post because Im going out

When I come up town, lynch the people on the scum and neutral list.

Do not lynch anyone on the town list unless you have lynched these guys first.

UPDATED

town

11. Hiraki
12. Lady Lambdadelta

16. Slaxx

TOWN
14. Toogeloo
-------- small gap
09. tclawren
10. Me=Weird
06. KingTwelveSixteen

02. Furcolow

TOWN

neutral

03. Empking

TOWN
04. CooLDoG

05. Shattered Viewpoint

SCUM
07. GreyICE

scum

08. bobsnox

TOWN
13. TheLonging

15. Exe

SCUM

Confirm Vote: TheLonging.

Case: scummy relationships with Exescum (inconsistencies in his attacks) and with RegfanSCUM (inconsistencies on reads).

[populartajo]

Its funny. All the people I called scum are attacking me strongly. This must mean something.

[populartajo]

Why is it ultrascummy?

He was going to get lynched and he hadnt claimed?

Do you think it would have been better to get him lynched without a claim?

[populartajo]

That sounds like a threat/command to lynch people. Also Cooldog and ICE are on your neutral list.

After this attack, I think at least one of them is scum with you.

[populartajo]

Because we were about to lynch him without a claim.

[populartajo]

Everyone that thinks this is rolefishing, answer this:

Do you think it would have been better to get him lynched without a claim?

[populartajo]

WITH 24 HOURS TO DEADLINE

[populartajo]

YEAH MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE PUT COOLDOG AT CLAIM RANGE WITH TWO HOURS TO DEADLINE SO IN THE CASE HE WOULD HAVE CLAIMED, WE WOULD HAVE MADE A BETTER DECISION.

ARE YOU EVEN THINKING?

[populartajo]

Im done with this. Preetty obvious the townies on this wagon (Hiraki, LL and maybe Cooldog) wont listen to anything I ve said until my lynch.

Vote: populartajo.

Now listen carefully.

King is not scum. People lynch claimed vanilla townies 90% of the times and Id say 99% when deadline is close. Claiming vanilla is bad play as scum, thats why King is TOWN.
For the record, Ive been in two recent games where the vanilla claimants were indeed vanillas.

TL is scum. With my flip the townies of my wagon: Hiraki, LL and maybe Cooldog, hope this becomes obvious.

The people not on my wagon, help lynch TheLonging.

Do not lynch Toogelo, the panda is very likely town.

[populartajo]

Basically do this.

last post because Im going out

When I come up town, lynch the people on the scum and neutral list.

Do not lynch anyone on the town list unless you have lynched these guys first.

UPDATED

town

11. Hiraki
12. Lady Lambdadelta

16. Slaxx

TOWN
14. Toogeloo
-------- small gap
09. tclawren
10. Me=Weird
06. KingTwelveSixteen

02. Furcolow

TOWN

neutral

03. Empking

TOWN
04. CooLDoG

05. Shattered Viewpoint

SCUM
07. GreyICE

scum

08. bobsnox

TOWN
13. TheLonging

15. Exe

SCUM

Confirm Vote: TheLonging.

Case: scummy relationships with Exescum (inconsistencies in his attacks) and with RegfanSCUM (inconsistencies on reads).

Hahah bet you didnt expect that, scumbags!

[populartajo]

That sounds like a threat/command to lynch people. Also Cooldog and ICE are on your neutral list.

After this attack, I think at least one of them is scum with you.

I'm not attacking.

wtf are you doing then, scum?

vig/sk or whomever is doing that great job at killing scumbags, you know who t shot next.

[populartajo]

good job guys.

competent scumteam is competent.

thx parama for the modding.

[populartajo]

Not a fan of the setup.

Plurality lynches with scum having over 1/3rd of the player base, and a limited amount of time to make decisions really favors scum in this setup, even if they lose a member every night, a commanding scum team, such as the one we had, can more or or less direct traffic every day and force mislynches. I have to admit, I had an eyebrow raised after the third Mafia death, but by that point it no longer mattered, scum had more or less concreted dominance in the game, and I don't believe anyone on town would have thought for a moment that 6 scum existed in the setup.

So yeah, the mechanics, while sound in the amount of lynches required to win one way or another, still doesn't help in a numbers game where Scum control a Majority of a Majority at the very beginning. By the time Town gets enough information on the setup, most of their playerbase will include sluffers or VIs, and would likely lose anyways.


My guess is you could play this game a dozen times, not sharing the setup with each group of players, and get the same result in almost all (if not all) play throughs.

I was actually going to post the same thing.

the problem is that the scumteam really made a good job of looking townie enough while the majority of town was pretty disorganized and filled with people that arent actually that good at mafia.