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[bobsnox]

VOTE: C-Worl

woo

[bobsnox]

;_;

[bobsnox]

I'm sold

UNVOTE: C-Worl

VOTE: jindori

(not really but I have no better options ATM)

[bobsnox]

0 bcrfhj vgnlhu,. aegri t.kj

Ani can you just not post all game? I think the town will do better if you don't post, ever. Thanks in advance.

Do you know Ani's alignment?...

[bobsnox]

But...if he's scum...

[bobsnox]

woo sheeping for the scumlynch day one

prepared to do it day two as well

[bobsnox]

VOTE: animorpherv

[bobsnox]

And your bobnox ISO? How and why did you pick him out of everyone?

I am a great target for scum to try to sling mud on. My style baits them every time. Gorrad's Mafia - Stels tried to do it. I think Kcdaspot tried to do it in the recently finished Naruto Mafia. There's probably another good example I'm forgetting.

They think I'm a good target to deflect on until townies are like, no, look at who this guy has voted and it's clear he isn't scum.

My vote is confirmed. The deflecting outweighs ani's claim IMO. I openly jumped on a better wagon than my C-Worl RVS yesterday and now I'm openly sheeping Parama because a) he nailed jindori yesterday and b) ani does seem scummy. I find it damning for ani that he picked me of all people to ISO

and

vote. Notice how he doesn't even consider the fact that I was on a scumwagon yesterday and how he didn't evaluate anyone else. His scumhunting is completely limited to ISOing a sheep who is on his wagon. No ISOs of anyone else, no VCA, nothing. And after ISOing only one (protown) person, he decides that's the best place for his vote?

It's time for a lynching.

[bobsnox]

???

I doubt you're town. I'm not going for town points, regardless. I'm going for scum lynches. You should be too, but clearly you're not. Because you're scum.

Who are your buddies?

[bobsnox]

I take back what I said:

His scumhunting is completely limited to ISOing a sheep who is on his wagon.

His scumhunting isn't minimal. It's non-existent by his own admission. Apparently his vote on me wasn't even the product of scumhunting:

All I've been trying to get you to do is to actually start participating and sheep less.

The noose is tightening around your neck and you're worried about my

participation

? You are about to be lynched and instead of doing something protown like SCUMHUNTING you're worried about a town sheep who is 1/1 on lynching scum so far? You never thought I was scum in the first place, you just wanted to make sure that (after you're dead and gone) I won't sheep anymore?...

confirm confirm vote: ani

[bobsnox]

Is anyone else going to address the horrendous deflection ani made before we forget about his wagon?

[bobsnox]

Is anyone else going to address the horrendous deflection ani made before we forget about his wagon?

what deflection are you talking about?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3021624 and on

[bobsnox]

@Mod: I unvoted a while ago.

So, bobsnox expects me to not scumhunt. Coolios.

??? Looks like I caught me a liar. Let's revisit what I already said:

I take back what I said:

His scumhunting is completely limited to ISOing a sheep who is on his wagon.

His scumhunting isn't minimal.

It's non-existent by his own admission.

Apparently his vote on me

wasn't even the product of scumhunting

:

All I've been trying to get you to do is to actually start participating and sheep less.

The noose is tightening around your neck and you're worried about my

participation

? You are about to be lynched and

instead of doing something protown like SCUMHUNTING

you're worried about a town sheep who is 1/1 on lynching scum so far?

You never thought I was scum in the first place

, you just wanted to make sure that (after you're dead and gone) I won't sheep anymore?...

confirm confirm vote: ani

Now all of sudden it was scumhunting? LYNCH ALL LIARS. Lynch this scumbag.

[bobsnox]

don't bother actually addressing my post (again)

[bobsnox]

animorpherv1

- who do you actually think is scum since you've only wasted time ISOing someone you don't actually think is scum?

[bobsnox]

I'll call Empking out as mafia. I will say that because even though I have proved myself as a VI player before, I would not claim the exact opposite of my role. Ever. I consider that practically suicide. I am not voting him yet because I would like to see some more posts by him before I vote him.

Also, if Parama is scum (which,despite him voting for me, I think he is town) , TL is prob. town.
For now, this is a gut read. This does not mean that if Parama is town, TL is mafia, bobsnox.

btw, you are butthurt town. You can stop tunneling on me whenever you want, and start scumhunting.

How do you know I'm town? Why did you refer to it as "scumhunting" when you ISOed someone you thought (dare I say, know?) was town? That's ridiculous and you're still being ridiculous.

[bobsnox]

He is still failing to give a reasonable account for his actions.

I'm about to chalk it up to being a VI I guess.

[bobsnox]

I'm going to be so pissed if animorpherv1 is scum and we let him go.

[bobsnox]

^ is a good post. thank you

[bobsnox]

I AM OBVIOUSLY NOT TALKING TO YOU. NONE OF YOUR POSTS DESERVE PRAISE WHATSOEVER. YOU VOTED FOR SOMEONE YOU DIDN'T THINK WAS SCUM (TO DEFLECT ATTENTION FROM YOURSELF) AND NOW YOU'RE

NOT

VOTING YOUR BEST SCUMREAD BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY? IN WHAT POSSIBLE UNIVERSE DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

<_<

gosh

[bobsnox]

T_T

[bobsnox]

This whole conversation between ani and bob seems... I don't know, a bit faked. Makes me have my doubts

It IS hard to believe, I know <_<

UNVOTE: ani

Looking at Empking and Twistedspoon right now.

[bobsnox]

xvart, ani claimed firefighter with a napalm kill last night, thoughts of this?

This is why I unvoted. Xvart is right on but I think we have a VI on our hands.

VOTE: Baby Spice

[bobsnox]

The claim is deterring me.

this

[bobsnox]

but if I ever play with animorpherv1 again I will be policy voting him day one

[bobsnox]

Baby Spice - I wanted to see your reaction to pressure. I wasn't sheeping in this instance.

unvote

[bobsnox]

Seriously guys, why are we looking for scum in the people that didnt vote jindori

when it was clear there was bussing involved

?

Clear, eh?

[bobsnox]

The only people who should be able to use the word "clear" in this situation are scum.

[bobsnox]

We should lynch the scummiest person in this list:

jindori (9):

C-Worl

, Parama, xvart, TheLonging, bobsnox, smargaret, Surye, Zinger2099, Twistedspoon

Parama, who do you think is the scum in this list?

I doubt Parama or TheLonging bussed jindori. IIRC they spearheaded that wagon. I also doubt Surye is scum with this French thing going on.

That leaves xvart, smargaret, Zinger, and Twistedspoon. I will ISO each.

[bobsnox]

I don't see anything remotely scummy in xvart's ISO. Smargaret seems a little inconsistent for voting Animorpherv after voicing trepidation over lynching ani post-claim. But she has solid points, IMO. I'm wary of lynching ani because I think we're dealing with a VI here who can't help but be as scummy as possible.

Zinger would be my only acceptable lynch out of those four and he hasn't really done anything particularly scummy. He's more of a neutral read while the others seem protown. Openly joined the jindori wagon just to be on it, but then read the thread and made a serious vote on jindori. Possibly an attempt to gain town cred? But why not RVS someone else to begin with if he's scum?

Twistedspoon seems to be thinking critically and reasonably. I would not support a Twistedspoon lynch from that ISO at this point.

That brings me back to looking off the jindori wagon.

[bobsnox]

Uh, why would the French thing make Surye more likely to be town?

It puts mafia at a great disadvantage to not be able to communicate effectively (persuasively). Just seems like too inhibiting of a role for scum.

[bobsnox]

woah Parama good catch.

Tajo: after a napalm kill?!

Exactly. I don't see how that would even be a VI comment. That almost has to come from scum.

VOTE: animorpherv1

[bobsnox]

ffs that was seriously the ONE time I missed the flavour for the kills.

Also, I will lol in my grave when the SK gets gauranteed kills.

I feel like you're missing the point.

[bobsnox]

WTF do you mean that being preoccupied with your own survival isn't a scumtell? Town doesn't need to worry about staying alive, scum does. It's right up there with looking for scumhunting in terms of usable scumtells.

Good point. Townies shouldn't be worried so much about staying alive as outing scum and Ani is NOT concerned with scumhunting whatsoever.

[bobsnox]

Is ani still alive?

[bobsnox]

I will vote smargaret if that is the best course of action. I guess scum have potentially more to fear from a SK than town at this stage, but I am not as convinced about smargaret's alignment as I am ani's.

[bobsnox]

Will do.

[bobsnox]

Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.

Surye, what translator are you using?

Vote: Jindori

Nothing sticks out. Doesn't seem like a bus to me at this point.

I know there were language PRs in the SWN games, but I don't remember if French was one of them.

That says roughly "Aawww, Surye you're using google translator? But I thought we had another Frenchman here," if I remember rightly from my French classes.

Still nothing.

First,

I'm having computer trouble and will be limited in the amount of time I have to post until it gets sorted out. I will be able to post every day.

Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it. I'm not sure why he thinks there wouldn't be an sk in this setup; there clearly have been sks in previous games, and there were two kills last night. We should at least consider the possibility.

Third, Amrun is scummy. The push on Ani - there was some shameless sheeping of Parama going on there - and the subsequent insinuation that not crumbing is scummy is itself scummy. Not everyone crumbs and the absence of crumb doesn't mean that you disregard a case. This looks an awful lot like scum (or possibly the sk?) trying to lynch someone who can stop their kills. Add to that the fact that Amrun was absent for all of day 1 - forgetting a game can happen, but when you're gone for a whole day it's suspicious, especially given the speed of the scum wagon.

Vote: Amrun

Interesting that smargaret notices the inconsistency between Ani's claim and suspicions about a SK, yet avoids voting ani here. I know in my case I never realized Ani had actually doubted the existence of a SK - I was voting him because I didn't like his claim to begin with (and I was sheeping Parama). But smargaret apparently saw that inconsistency and yet turns her attention to Amrun instead.

I don't know what her point is in that last sentence about Amrun forgetting about the first day.

ani is likely scum; tragedy push is absolutely retarded

VOTE: animorpherv

He was trying to redirect the lynch to Tragedy yesterday and it was awful.

That looks a lot like sheeping to me, Amrun.

hmm seems more like reiterating shared suspicion rather than blatant sheeping. And sheeping is not always bad (especially when you nail scum as a sheep).

Amrun has a decent (and original) point about Ani not voting Empking.

For crying out loud, would people please look at the gender field? Why does everybody suddenly think I'm male? *rant*

Ani, bobsnox has a good point in his capsrage. Why aren't you addressing it?

I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet. Until we can hear from some more people,

Unvote

ehhhh yeah I don't like this post after re-reading it. smargaret has plenty of reason to vote animorpherv but still delays. Definitely sounds like scum avoiding having to bus another buddy.

Since Ani wasn't in that game, chances are good he got a role from it, firefighter being such an unusual thing. ie: The reason he knows of ifirefighter is most probably receiving a role from the game it was in.

Can you explain this a little more? Why do you think Ani is more likely to have received a role from a game he wasn't in, since roles are theoretically assigned randomly?

All I'm doing is trying to getmyself not lynched

. I claimed to save myself so we could lynch actual scum, and I'M the bad guy? Nice going there.

If you want to lynch someone because of my claim, that would be Parama. He brought up the situation to such an extreme point that this is all we are talking about, and I claimed.

Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival. Also, note the sudden about face on Parama, from town to lynch target. I don't recall Parama asking you to claim, Ani, you did that all on your own. Now it just looks like he's frantically searching for any target other than himself to get lynched today.

Also, I asked you to address bobsnox's point in my last post, Ani. You've posted since I did without saying anything one way or another about my post. Please fix this.

Surye, why isn't Ani the lynch today? I know you think BS is more likely to be scum, but do you have a town read on Ani, is it the claim, or something else?

Vote: Ani

The first part looks like a misunderstanding of BS's thinking. The rest of it could be taken one of two ways: smargaret is a meticulous townie or smargaret is admonishing her buddy to stop playing so badly that she has to bus him. "Please fix this" makes me think the latter.

I would be very surprised if all the scum were off the wagon, but that doesn't mean that they were all on it. I'd say we can find 1, maybe two scum on the wagon other than jindori.

scum lynch obv

anyways are votes a scumvote until proven a bus or a bus until proven a scumvote?

sure, I'd look scummy if it was a bus, but it wasn't and you can't prove it unless you say I'm scum which you say because I might have bussed because I might be scum because I might have bussed

etc.

circular logic you have there

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, TS. You're saying things without actually saying anything.

I'm not

I'm just saying that they weren't on the wagon and they had a reason for that

although I think scum would have been alerted that the day had started because the mod would have posted in the QT that D1 had started

And you don't think it's possible scum could have been v/la or otherwise away from the game for a day? You don't think scum could have deliberately lurked? This is very shortsighted.

lets lynch smargaret plz.

Why are you tunneling me?

his questions and cases feel designed and fake; seriously go iso him:

Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.
Surye, what translator are you using?

as I said, in this context of jindoriscum, this attack reeks of someone that knew jindori was scum.
and the translator question feels like smargaret asking unnecesary questions to appear helpful, common scum maneuver.

In the case of the translator question, I'm not good enough at French to be able to translate quickly from the sort of error-ridden stuff returned by computerized translators. If you run it back through a translator and you use the same one, you get more accurate results than you do if you use a different one. It's a null question - it's something I would ask regardless of alignment because it makes it easier for me to read Surye's posts. You're reaching.

How exactly does it look like I knew jindori was scum? There's a saying - "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras" - if someone's being scummy, they're more likely to be scum than a jester. I think that was a perfectly reasonable question.

Add to that the fact that Amrun was absent for all of day 1 - forgetting a game can happen, but when you're gone for a whole day it's suspicious,

lolno, this is not suspicious; its scum trying to support his case with nulltells.

the sheeping accusation against you is weak since you had your own reasons to suspect ani

1. I'll grant that it's not a strong tell, but it IS a tell - and it wasn't my only point.
2. lolwat? Amrun's reasons were EXACTLY the same as Parama's.

and his ani progression goes from:

Second, while the Ani wagon makes sense - avoiding the jindori wagon and pushing Tragedy was scummy - his claim makes sense, and I'm not willing to lynch him for it.

I really want to vote Ani, but with the number of people who haven't really posted yet, and the speed of the wagon yesterday (and lack of associative tells to work from today) I'm uncomfortable putting him at L-1 right now. I think he's probably going to be the lynch today, just not yet

Very interesting, especially the bolded. Ani seems unusually preoccupied with his own survival.
Vote: Ani

bonus: preoccupied with his own survival is NOT scummy.

Plz lynch this scumbag.

His claim made sense, and then it didn't. I didn't want him at L-1 before everyone had posted because of the way the speed from day 1 is hampering us - I want a longer day today. When he kept acting scummy and people had unvoted, I put my vote back on to keep the pressure up.

WTF do you mean that being preoccupied with your own survival isn't a scumtell? Town doesn't need to worry about staying alive, scum does. It's right up there with looking for scumhunting in terms of usable scumtells.

Also, I am a woman. I've said this before. In fact, if you look at my username, sMARGARET, hey, it has a female name in it. Please stop referring to me as he.

scratch that, I confused it with BS

But TS feels very VIish, specially with the lynch me if Im wrong stuff

we need momentum on smargaret, now

VI != confirmed town. Just sayin'.

About my activity level, this is consistent across my games (you can go look for the posts). I got stuck with a computer virus I can't fix, my fiance (who can fix it) is writing his generals exams and needs the one remaining computer to do so, and the other computer won't get fixed until he turns in his papers this weekend. It's not calculated inactivity if there's a legit problem.

Ani, do you mean that the possibility of an SK, when you have a role designed to counter an SK, never crossed your mind? Wow.

Actually, PT, have you said anything about the Ani case yet? Please take a stance on that; I don't like how you're ignoring the other major wagon today and it feels like you're trying to set up a counterwagon on me.

"

His claim made sense, and then it didn't. I didn't want him at L-1 before everyone had posted because of the way the speed from day 1 is hampering us - I want a longer day today. When he kept acting scummy and people had unvoted, I put my vote back on to keep the pressure up.

" That part just seems like revision of history. That's not how I would have summarized her posts in context.

"

Ani, do you mean that the possibility of an SK, when you have a role designed to counter an SK, never crossed your mind? Wow.

" She noticed the inconsistency (the damning inconsistency IMO), but did not make such an issue out of it at first. Now she seems fully committed to the lynch, and from perspective, fully committed to the bus.

PT - you didn't ask about my activity level, but someone (not sure who now) accused me of "calculated inactivity." I was answering that accusation.

There is a difference between defending yourself and being preoccupied with staying alive. Ani was defending himself exclusively - no scumhunting of any kind. That's scummy defense. Now he's just flinging around accusations. Also, while his claim is the same, there are other factors besides the claim itself to make it make sense.

Ani, that post was trying to make PT look bad - I think he's scummy, and you'd better believe he's next on my lynch list after you.

Would someone please hammer and end this day?

More of the same.

Now that I'm sitting back and reviewing this, though, I'm not sure how much sense it makes for smargaret to be scum with ani. If ani is scum then he is probably a SK. Why would smargaret not want to lynch a SK if she is mafia? Or is ani town and smargaret was avoiding being part of what she thinks is a mislynch? I don't know where to go from here. What is their relationship? It came across as a buddy relationship in smargaret's ISO but now I'm wondering how that would make sense.

[bobsnox]

Can someone please address the last paragraph of my previous post before we lynch anyone?

[bobsnox]

How would smargaret even know ani was the sk?

Seems more like she's avoiding lynching her buddy to me.

how does ani make sense as mafia with what seems to be the clear presence of a SK and ani's claim? I might be missing something but it seems more likely that ani is SK or town than mafia.

What am I missing?

[bobsnox]

Parama - what is Ani?

[bobsnox]

Is Parama the SK?

[bobsnox]

AGAIN IS PARAMA THE SK?

Why is no one else commenting on this?

Someone recall this post if I die tonight please.

[bobsnox]

how are smargaret and ani connected?

[bobsnox]

Why do you think smargaret is scum?

[bobsnox]

Why don't you, bobsnox?

I do, I just don't see how both ani and smargaret are scumbuddies given ani's claim. The main reason I think smargaret is scum is because of how she has dealt with ani, but I don't know if that relationship makes any sense.

I really want to know why Parama thinks smargaret is scum and I want an explanation of how they are scum together. He is doing more writing me off than answering any questions I've raised. "you're too dumb" isn't an appropriate response, nor is it true. If I'm missing something, then he should fill me in. The goal is to lynch scum. If he thinks he's so spot-on with his scumreads, then you'd think he'd be able to express his reasoning to someone else. He has done so regarding ani, but (I'll double check) I haven't seen much on smargaret.

[bobsnox]

How are we missing this exchange?

0 bcrfhj vgnlhu,. aegri t.kj

Ani can you just not post all game? I think the town will do better if you don't post, ever. Thanks in advance.

Do you know Ani's alignment?...

I don't particularly care about his alignment. Regardless of alignment, he's what his title says he is.

But...if he's scum...

Then I'll worry about him once all his buddies are dead.

How did it go from getting his buddies first to tunnel ani until he is dead? Is no one else seeing these things?

FoS Parama

Again, if I am missing something someone fill me in. I realize Parama will be on to throw some more ad hom in my direction in the near future but if someone who has a better head on their shoulders wants to comment on my analysis, please do so.

[bobsnox]

I changed my mind, because Ani became obvious scum after jindori's flip and brief D1 analysis.
Is it illegal to change one's opinion? If so, I guess I've been scum in every single game ever and I just didn't know it, because my opinions change all the time.

Sorry for not reading all of your games or something? Didn't know you always contradict yourself in ever game ever.

That still doesn't answer why ani has to die today over anyone else when you specifically said

you would rather get ani's buddies first and worry about him later

. Believe me, I can understand changing your mind over scumreads but you were openly

disinterested in ani's alignment

to point where

even if you thought ani was scum you would have had to scumhunt elsewhere

to be consistent with your statements. Inconsistency I can live with (no one is perfect), but acting like it's not something worth pointing out in a game where we probably have a SK is shortsighted.

That kind of behavior is what I would expect from a SK (lack of concern with alignment, tunneling ani's particular claim, not caring about possible connections between scumbuddies, etc.). I guess we can lynch ani today and see what he flips. If he's town then I'll bring this back up again tomorrow (if I'm alive <_<).

Anyway, what do you think about smargaret? What is scummy about her? Do you agree with my ISO of her?

[bobsnox]

lol this guy is ridiculous. Thanks Surye.

[bobsnox]

I will hammer smargaret once another person or two at least acknowledges that they have read the recent Parama crap. And once smargaret claims.

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: ani
VOTE: smargaret

:sigh:

[bobsnox]

someone doesn't sound surprised

[bobsnox]

Are you guys kidding me? Parama please try a little harder to get yourself lynched You realize you're either getting lynched today or lynched tomorrow, right?

VOTE: Parama

Baby Spice - that post was horrible, not to mention completely false. What is it with people assuming bussing two scumbuddies is a good idea? You realize that's what I'd have to have done up to this point, right? What a joke.

also I figured out why bobsnox was trying to pin me as SK.
it's because he's SK. that's why he wants to try to make others look like the serial killer.
amrun is a weird kill for the mafia to make though .-. ah well.

reach a little further.

and is that a claim? you seem way too sure amrun was the mafia target.

[bobsnox]

Can someone please give me a serious answer: why is no one looking at Parama right now after that blatant mud slinging? It is so ridiculous it cannot be sincere, yet no one is even looking. This is stupid.

I'm claiming now because I'm not sure how my activity will be this weekend. You guys will lynch me because my role is cool but not helpful. Just please lynch Parama tomorrow. Review his craptastic posts and autolynch him with the same courtesy you guys have given me today.

My role is from Mini 983: It Got Worse. Here is the original role PM from sykedoc's game:

RedCoyote:

“But here, cleverly disguised as a bomb, is a bomb.”
Oh LAWD, a 1960's cartoon character? You're rich. Anyway, you've decided to move out of Frostbite Falls to a better place, which turned out to be worse since people are getting killed left and right. You're not exactly Mr. Know-It-All anymore, but you still cause a bit of unintentional trouble. You see, you manage to mess things up somehow. You don't mean to but you do.

You are Bullwinkle J. Moose, Clumsy Klutz (Town Warp)

Abilities:
Warp: You don't have any control over this. Each night, as long as you're alive, you will cause all actions targeting a random player to fail. You do not have a say in this, you simple are forced to commit this action while you sleep. This stops when you die or if you are blocked, obviously. You never learn which player you blocked, but you might do some accidental good.

Game Link:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 76#2296076

My role is the same as in that game.

populartajo - you're not even looking at WHY I voted animorpherv. Show me any SK lingo in any of my posts. All I've done is point out how UNCONCERNED, DISCONNECTED, and INCONSISTENT Parama has been since the jindori lynch. Yet, I'm SK because I made a (solid) case against him?

[bobsnox]

bobsnox, why did you vote animorpherv?

also, can you explain clearly what blatant mudsling are you talking about?

re: claim. meh, the claim is actually nuller than null, so it seems Im going to need to isolate once again.

Please do ISO me so you lynch the right person tomorrow. Originally I voted ani because I was sheeping Parama. But I soon found him incredibly scummy:

And your bobnox ISO? How and why did you pick him out of everyone?

I am a great target for scum to try to sling mud on. My style baits them every time. Gorrad's Mafia - Stels tried to do it. I think Kcdaspot tried to do it in the recently finished Naruto Mafia. There's probably another good example I'm forgetting.

They think I'm a good target to deflect on until townies are like, no, look at who this guy has voted and it's clear he isn't scum.

My vote is confirmed. The deflecting outweighs ani's claim IMO. I openly jumped on a better wagon than my C-Worl RVS yesterday and now I'm openly sheeping Parama because a) he nailed jindori yesterday and b) ani does seem scummy. I find it damning for ani that he picked me of all people to ISO

and

vote. Notice how he doesn't even consider the fact that I was on a scumwagon yesterday and how he didn't evaluate anyone else. His scumhunting is completely limited to ISOing a sheep who is on his wagon. No ISOs of anyone else, no VCA, nothing. And after ISOing only one (protown) person, he decides that's the best place for his vote?

It's time for a lynching.

I take back what I said:

His scumhunting is completely limited to ISOing a sheep who is on his wagon.

His scumhunting isn't minimal. It's non-existent by his own admission. Apparently his vote on me wasn't even the product of scumhunting:

All I've been trying to get you to do is to actually start participating and sheep less.

The noose is tightening around your neck and you're worried about my

participation

? You are about to be lynched and instead of doing something protown like SCUMHUNTING you're worried about a town sheep who is 1/1 on lynching scum so far? You never thought I was scum in the first place, you just wanted to make sure that (after you're dead and gone) I won't sheep anymore?...

confirm confirm vote: ani

Is anyone else going to address the horrendous deflection ani made before we forget about his wagon?

what deflection are you talking about?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3021624 and on

@Mod: I unvoted a while ago.

So, bobsnox expects me to not scumhunt. Coolios.

??? Looks like I caught me a liar. Let's revisit what I already said:

I take back what I said:

His scumhunting is completely limited to ISOing a sheep who is on his wagon.

His scumhunting isn't minimal.

It's non-existent by his own admission.

Apparently his vote on me

wasn't even the product of scumhunting

:

All I've been trying to get you to do is to actually start participating and sheep less.

The noose is tightening around your neck and you're worried about my

participation

? You are about to be lynched and

instead of doing something protown like SCUMHUNTING

you're worried about a town sheep who is 1/1 on lynching scum so far?

You never thought I was scum in the first place

, you just wanted to make sure that (after you're dead and gone) I won't sheep anymore?...

confirm confirm vote: ani

Now all of sudden it was scumhunting? LYNCH ALL LIARS. Lynch this scumbag.

animorpherv1

- who do you actually think is scum since you've only wasted time ISOing someone you don't actually think is scum?

I'll call Empking out as mafia. I will say that because even though I have proved myself as a VI player before, I would not claim the exact opposite of my role. Ever. I consider that practically suicide. I am not voting him yet because I would like to see some more posts by him before I vote him.

Also, if Parama is scum (which,despite him voting for me, I think he is town) , TL is prob. town.
For now, this is a gut read. This does not mean that if Parama is town, TL is mafia, bobsnox.

btw, you are butthurt town. You can stop tunneling on me whenever you want, and start scumhunting.

How do you know I'm town? Why did you refer to it as "scumhunting" when you ISOed someone you thought (dare I say, know?) was town? That's ridiculous and you're still being ridiculous.

Plus the fact that he openly doubted the existence of a SK when we had appropriate flavor in the dayscene. Nothing he said or did added up. AND I was all over him

before he claimed

.

ISO Parama and you will see what I'm talking about. He blatantly ignored me when I first started suspecting him, retreating to ad hom to try to discredit me. Now he's painting me as the SK regardless of how unreasonable that idea is because I nailed him. Just look at how his attitude has changed since the end of yesterday! Read his tone and tell me he's being sincere.

[bobsnox]

You realize you're either getting lynched today or lynched tomorrow, right?

vote: bobsnox

i dont get why is that scummy...?

Read that post a few more times, especially in context. It makes a lot of sense.

Parama has good reasoning sure but that comment there is the single biggest reason why I voted for him.

You should explain yourself. It doesn't make a lot of sense and there's no town motivation to not explain a scumread.

What I was saying is that Parama should be lynched today, but if he doesn't get lynched he will get lynched tomorrow after I flip town. There is no way one of us is not the SK in my mind. Of course his only SK candidate is me, which solidifies my argument. All of sudden he has a solid SK read and it's the one who accused him of being the SK? This game is deteriorating rapidly the more you listen to him.

[bobsnox]

@ BOBSNOX

There is no way one of us is not the SK in my mind.

YOU

need to explain this or you are getting my vote. And trust me, you don't want my vote, it's, shall we say,

harsh

.

Start from the last paragraph of this post http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3045059 and continue reading my ISO from there.

[bobsnox]

Does anyone have any running theories as to why Amrun bit the dust?

My role, possibly. I do not receive confirmation of who I randomly select each night.

[bobsnox]

Does anyone have any running theories as to why Amrun bit the dust?

My role, possibly. I do not receive confirmation of who I randomly select each night.

Wait..... Say WUUUUUUUUH?!

Are you openly admitting to being the SK now? And that your targets are RANDOM?!

Is this true?

ahh no but I'm actually wrong about my role anyway. I thought I was a random bus driver, but I just reviewed it again and I just nullify any actions against a random target. You saw where I quoted the original role PM, right?

someone remind me not to sign up for four games at once again

[bobsnox]

Rolestopper not Roleblocker, yes. Sorry :shame:

[bobsnox]

There is no way one of us is not the SK in my mind.

THIS LINE

still does not make sense. I'm sorry, but you CLAIMED RANDOM ROLESTOPPER. You know who you are. If you know you are not an SK, why would you say "There is no way one of us is not the SK in my mind."? There is no way you would say that. No reason to. You are basically saying "Panarama MUST BE the SK," only you choose to word it in a really stupid way that suggests you are somehow still a candidate for that spot?

Bobsnox, you are trying my patience.

Keep context in mind. I started today saying Parama gets lynched today or tomorrow. I was speaking from an objective perspective: I know I'm not the SK, but I only see two plausible SK lynches today. If you guys mislynch me today, then I don't see how you won't lynch Parama tomorrow, and I don't see how he will not flip SK. Thus, there is no way that lynching both of us will not produce a SK lynch.

Go with your gut. I can tell you want to believe me or you'd have hammered already. You and tajo are the only ones really giving this the proper treatment.

I don't think I'm exactly valuable, btw, which is why I'm not really concerned about you guys mislynching me today. All I want is for you all to do your homework on Parama and his stances so far this game and avenge me tomorrow.

Or we could skip the mislynch and do it today! <_<

[bobsnox]

Vote: bobsnox

- I agree with everything else.

good effort there

[bobsnox]

Empking is scum genuinely thinks I'm SK or will kill Parama tonight. He doesn't really care if I'm mislynched.

[bobsnox]

but that doesnt make sense since the case on him is that he is a sk which implies that when hes dead, he wont be able to kill him

i read it as someone who is saying that when he flips town, parama is going to be lynched after.

This. TheLonging can't seem to grasp that obvious meaning behind what I said. I really don't get why several people in this game aren't even bothering to read intelligently. I explain myself thoroughly, yet no one responds and the votes are still there.

You guys will see me flip town, then (if you come to your senses) go back and recognize Parama's horribad attacks on me.

Did Surye hammer?

[bobsnox]

Of course I didn't. This is stupid. You guys need to re-evaluate a lot of this game. Start by actually reading what people write. I hope town has something good up its sleeve.

Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong about my reads, but there was never a good reason to vote me, and I should not have been lynched today. You let one person fool you into a ridiculous bandwagon without properly considering alternatives and relations between other players.

The only people who seemed to try were tajo and Zinger, and I only have a town read on tajo.

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Wouldn't be the first time I've been way off, but that doesn't make my lynch any more appropriate.

Last thoughts: look at the ISOs of Baby Spice and Empking. Particularly note how they approached my wagon. Also revisit TheLonging.

[bobsnox]

I have no reason to lie at this point. I am who/what I claimed. Better start talking before night comes.

[bobsnox]

And give mafia more info than they have already? No thanks. I am waiting for morning.

You sure you'll be here? Interesting.

[bobsnox]

*stuff*

You still haven't answered me for the record.

I'm dead. Figure it out.

Parama is the SK. I have no reason to lie at this point. If it's not him then I tip my hat to whomever it is.

[bobsnox]

lol gg

[bobsnox]

<_<