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Hi all. I'm Incog, and I'm replacing in with smargaret. I was thinking of using the name Margarito, but I figured mith would probably take forever to approve it, so we're just gonna be using this old alt of mine instead.
I see the deadline's tomorrow. I've read up to like page 10 already, so I'll continue reading and we'll try to post some thoughts ASAP.Cellar door.-
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Headache. I'm done reading. I haven't conferred with smargaret at all yet. For any of you who know me, I tend to bank more on my town reads than scum ones particularly when playing in a game that has good scum. With this player list and list of hydras, my guess is we probably have some decent to good scum in this game. So here are my town reads right now:
- YFC - probtown
- DaSpot - probtown
- Final Destination - probtown
- Unicorn Brethren - uhm. town?
- Big issue: Gummybear. I wasn't liking them at all but then they went and did that whole giving up thing while at L-1 and it began to make me think they're town.
The rest of you are kind of all jumbled in there. I wish I had more time to figure you out in real time because you're some wordy mofos.
@Yos:I've got a bit of a conflicting read with FES. Can you tell me why you think they're obvtown?
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I guess I could see that wrt to FES. My issue with them though is I never really got the impression that FES has pushed with enough gusto for his top suspect to be lynched. If he's town, I guess I could see his reasoning for not pushing hard enough being apathy but if he's scum, I could see a large benefit towards parking a vote and just leaving it there without asking people to join in on the crusade. The reason I'm going back and forth on them though is I kinda liked the WIFOM-y Pathetric NK speculation that Shanba wrote at some point in the thread; it seemed like something that would come more from a town POV than a scum one. But I'm eh on them.
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As for Daspot, I've just picked up a general sloppy vibe from his play that seems more consistent with the type of play I'd expect to come from town than scum. I know you've been arguing that his play has seemed scummy, but I got the exact opposite vibe from it. Ether's post #29 felt so on the money that I found myself nodding along to it completely. If you want a specific post though, I thought post #355 that Daspot wrote during Twilight was pretty townish. I think a scum-Daspot would have just lurked the rest of the Day out and waited until the mod locked the thread instead of making that comment. It's a very small-ish reason but those are the kinds of things I tend to look for when figuring people out. His play outside of that hasn't made me think scum either.
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So I disagree with Incognito on Daspot's towniness, but I do agree that FES warrants a closer look. Until we can discuss our reads, and so that we actually get something in before deadline,
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I have Balam as tentative scum with a couple of stronger reads that are dependent on a Daspot scumflip, if that makes any sense. I need to talk with Incog to sort out stuff about Gummybear and see if we can agree on Daspot.Cellar door.-
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Didn't mean to submit that just yet. ah well. i'm fine with our vote being on fes right now since i do currently think they stand a stronger chance of being scum than gummybear or daspot. i don't really like greymarble's posting over this page - i was getting the impression that they were beginning to lean town on gummybear but then they switched that up and came up with this strange bussing theory related to lordfonzi. greymarble: how much sense would it make for a hypo fonzi-scum to bus his hypothetical buddy at this point when other viable wagons have been out there? if you think fonzi is scum shouldn't their vote make you cold about the gummy-wagon? my phone won't let me space out paragraphs so i may have to write up a few separate posts.Cellar door.-
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I'm still thinking town wrt gummybear. the willingness to self-hammer is making me feel more sure about that. gummybear: you need to place your vote somewhere. self-hammering is stupid when there's certainly viable wagons that are still available before deadline. Finally, unicornbrethren why have you waited so long to put that vote down? why aren't you doing anything in general? - incogCellar door.-
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If this is what this game's gonna be like I want my money back.
I'm assuming you're Greymarble, GreyICE?Post 899, Profane Confusion wrote:greymarble: how much sense would it make for a hypo fonzi-scum to bus his hypothetical buddy at this point when other viable wagons have been out there? if you think fonzi is scum shouldn't their vote make you cold about the gummy-wagon?Cellar door.-
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vote: Frogito Ergo Sum
I'd like to see a claim. Not really sure how FES escaped without providing one Yesterday. I'd also like to use this Day to get better reads on my jumbled up peeps.
Lord Fonzi, you used 3 twice. Also could you elaborate more on why FD looks worse after Yesterday? I'm not really seeing that right now. Finally, 6 seems fairly obvious, but I guess we can wait for the fairly mute Unicorn to answer on their own behalf.Cellar door.-
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No, I just found the vote movement from an FES wagon to what we now know to be a GummyBear-town wagon really really strange. It's the kind of vote movement I might expect to happen after a player claims a PR or does something obviously townish but FES didn't claim anything at all and certainly didn't look obviously townish. During the remainder of the Day, FES only seemed to respond to stuff directed at them and completely lacked any amount of proactiveness.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:Incog, do you think that FES refusing to claim at lynch -1 was a scumtell?Cellar door.-
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'cause my vote places you at L-2, I think you stand the strongest chance of being scum, and I suspected that you'd likely reach L-1 soon based on the people who voted you Yesterday.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote: Why are you this claim-focused?
What made you hammer Gummybear? I don't really recall you commenting much on that wagon as it was forming, and I don't see you mention anywhere that you found them scummy either.
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Basically, since smargaret and I just replaced in last week, we've set forth a bunch of goals for ourselves for Today. Those include trying to figure out whether or not our scum read of you is accurate (imo that includes getting a claim from you since you're undoubtedly going to be on the chopping block anyway), trying to develop reads on our non-reads like Balam, the Unicorns, Copper, and for me specifically, Lord Fonzi (smargaret seems to be leaning town on LF currently), and trying to lynch scum. Hopefully that explains my intentions for asking for a claim more clearly.
See to me this seems to indicate that you were observing the thread for awhile on Saturday but choosing not to say anything. I mean I doubt you just randomly popped up right on time just minutes before deadline for the hammer. If you're town, I don't really get why you wouldn't give input on the things that were happening while Gummy was at L-1. I could see why scum might do that though.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Shanba and I both felt the wagon was worthwhile due to the way they responded to the wagon and the deadline was ~7 minutes away.Cellar door.-
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That was smargaret, btw.
Not necessarily. I know the times that I've been scum, I've always have much rather had the sure mislynch the Day it's available than wait another Day for a time that I wouldn't even be guaranteed to have that same mislynch opportunity again. Towns can be fickle sometimes.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:Hmm. If he's scum, though, then wouldn't doing nothing and allowing a no-lynch, and letting Gummy be lynched the next day instead, have been more in his best interest?
@MOD:Well, for instance, you haven't edited Profane Confusion as a replacement yet.
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But motivated enough to hammer? lol.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:We were around at the time, but we weren't particularly motivated to get a proper post up.
Yes, and I had mentioned a couple of times that I thought Gummy's whole reaction to being at L-1 looked town. I'm assuming you're bringing this up in this case though because you're trying to say a you-scum could have just sat back and waited for the self-hammer. But like you said before the deadline was like 7 mins away and Gummy was nowhere in sight - kinda hard to self-hammer in that case, so I think what I said there still has some validity to it.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Did you notice that Gummybear offered to hammer itself?
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Ftr, I didn't think Grey looked town, so I was surprised by the NK. I think Yos brings up a fair point though; it doesn't really make sense to use NK as a reason for a vote against Yos now but to completely ignore it in the case of Pathetric.
We need posts from our mutes. I've seen Fate, AGM, and Equinox around the site, so I don't understand why they're not posting yet.
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Major FoS: Balam
I don't like that post one bit. AGar, have you always been a man of policy? I don't recall you pushing that kind of stuff in NG 1020 where you were town, and we had a player who you could have easily pushed the same kind of policy on too. Plus, why do this now rather than a previous Day?
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I may be going overboard with this whole FES hammer thing. But the fact of the matter is, I'm looking back on FES's iso and I really don't think they're scum-hunting. They're just popping into the thread in full-fledged defense mode. I swear their most recent scum list looks like they just took a bunch of names and threw them into a hat. I haven't gotten an air of curiosity about people's alignments from any of their posts.
Final Destination is not the play Today. I think they look town.
Yos, what's confusing you so much? Do you still have a town read on FES?
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UB, please respond to this.Profane Confusion wrote:So people UB thinks are scum/worth lynching, according to today's posts only:
YFC
Lord Fonzi
Copper
FD
FES
UB, are your heads communicating at all? Did you realize you have more scum reads than non-scum reads? Do you even have town reads at this point?
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I've caught up over the last few posts.
Daspot/Unicorns: I'm thinking at least two of {Lord Fonzi, Yos, FES} is likely scum, but I really don't think all three are. From what I've seen during my time here on MS, it's extremely rare for scum to vote back to back to back like the three of them have done with Final Destination. I don't think I've seen that kind of thing happen once. So while it's certainly possible, I don't think it's likely.
The more I see from Unicorn Brethren the more I'm thinking town. Scum just don't push the kind of logic the Unicorns have been pushing especially Today. I don't think my other head smargaret is feeling it right now as much as I am but yeah, that's where I stand.
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Fair enough, AGar, on the policy stuff.
There was this expression I learned awhile back from Booker in my second Newbie game: "The cut of yer jib." It had something to do with a player's personality in the game. Final Destination hasn't seemed afraid of conflict (a trait that I more often associate with town than scum) and they've been taking an active role in scum-hunting. So I'm thinking town. smargaret pointed out some post of FD's in our quicktopic that made her think town and I agreed, but I'm too lazy/tired to look at it right now. Maybe later.Balam wrote:We disagree. What is your motivation for their belief to be town?
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Frosty, dear, I *do* want Frogito lynched. I think what I said in my opening post for Today is really getting obfuscated. After the Gummy-hammer by FES, I felt even more confident in my read of FES because I really couldn't see how anyone with enough experience would actually hammer Gummy after the series of posts they posted at L-1. So that's where my "Contrast" post comes in. The whole "I want a claim" thing was me thinking most others would easily see FES as scum too especially when they started racking up the votes from the get-go. Instead, some people are still claiming that they don't completely see it which baffles me.
You also have to realize that when I posted that "Compare" post of mine, I had just finished taking in like 30-something pages of thread in like 4 hours, and I felt like FES looked bad here. Did I feel amazingly confident? Nah. I'm a real-time player who needs to take posts in during real time in order to get more accurate reads. Should I be looking at what made that FES wagon dissipate? Probably, but I don't think that's as important right now since that's more of an associative tell anyway.
We've played in at least 5 forum games together on opposite sides and same sides, numerous face-to-face games together, and you really can't see I'm town here? Yos, are you scum?YosFlavouredCayke wrote:Anyway, despite the fact that every time Spot posts it makes me want to him to die, I'm less confident about him at this point. I really want to lynch FD today, and I've got some suspicions about Profane Confusion as well.
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Oh Daspot. Daspot Daspot Daspot. Having good logic does not always mean a player is town.
I agree with LF's 381 since I can't point to anything specifically pro-town that Copper has done all game either. So I'm concerned with how people are just ticking them off without really looking into them.
For example, Copper, I don't really get your vote and case. It seems to amount to "Balam has been shady around FES wagons. Therefore Balam is either scum with FES or Balam is scum while FES is town and they're waiting for the FES flip to unleash some fury." The thing that puzzles me is I always got the impression that you thought FES was scum, so I don't get why you'd now choose to vote off-wagon for this kind of reason. Break it down for me?
Yeah.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:Are you reading our posts at all?
In response to part 1, see this post and this post both made by me.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:We don't see anything particularly pro-town in Gummybear's L-1 posting. Do elaborate. Furthermore, we'd like a response to our last question on this subject: wouldn't a failure to self-hammer on their part looked damning?
As for the second part, I don't really know. People who genuinely thought Gummy looked like scum would have probably not listened to their excuses for not self-hammering, but I still don't think it'd be as cut and dry as them getting insta-lynched the next Day.
That's not what I was saying there, but I could see how you might have read it that way. I was saying that at D3's start, the momentum was going in your direction, and I thought whoever hadn't checked into the thread by the time I voted you would be voicing some suspicion of you too. So it seemed appropriate to me to ask for a claim.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:
They got lots of votes, thus they must be scum?PC wrote:The whole "I want a claim" thing was me thinking most others would easily see FES as scum too especially when they started racking up the votes from the get-go.
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<<<< This is also an important post to read >>>>
Unicorns: I know that it's happened before. That's why I said I don't think it's very probable. You've succeeded at pointing out a single game in the 1000s of games in which it HASN'T happened before. Congrats.
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FD points out some interesting stuff in his 990. In order for FES to be scum there'd had to have been a bunch of people bussing/distancing from them because the sheer level of FES hate has been extremely high. Looking back, I think Yos might be the only hydra who hasn't voted them all game. Sadly, that's kinda creepy. I won't go as far as Fate has to go ahead and call FES town but it is something that makes you think a little.
FES, what do you think of FD's 990?
I might have missed this but can you point out the posts where you mention that you were suspicious of Beaver being scum with FD or Spot?YosFlavouredCayke wrote:I would say that I was very suspicious of the slot you replaced into. Also, I was suspicious of Beaver being scum with either FD or with Spot, and that your behavior so far has been fairly consistent with either one of those possibilities.Cellar door.-
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This place sure is quiet. I know it's Sunday, but I'd have expected at least a post or two.
I see, Yos. You know, I decided to look into these lurker accusations that you've made towards FD since I haven't been here from the start to be able to see any kind of lurking pattern from them. After looking into it, I don't really see what it is you're talking about there. Final Destination has been posting at a rate of at least 1 ppd with maybe 2 or 3 breaks from that due to apparent V/LAs.
Would you agree or disagree that FES has probably been a worse offender of what you're accusing FD of (but yet you have them down as town)? Further, why is FD a lurker but people like Copper and Unicorn Brethren are not?
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With respect to going for the no-lynch being superior for scum, I had said before to Yos that I really don't think it is. I might be alone on this, but during the times I've been scum, I've MUCH rather have seen a mislynch go through than seen a no lynch happen. No lynches just make the game a longer one for scum, and it becomes incredibly more difficult to keep up an act when you're going for longer and longer time periods. I guess that's also why I've found it much more difficult to be scum in Large Games and partly the reason why I avoid Larges like the plague. Idk if a you-scum would be the same way; I guess I'd have to look into the meta.
I hadn't noticed that FD held a similar position at the end of Day 1; thanks for pointing that out. I still think there's very little scum motivation for FD to point out something like that right now unless your hydra and FD are scum together. I also don't completely see why Fate loses town cred for pointing out that Ether line; it's something that's made me think a little too because I know Ether's usually pretty damn good at getting reads off of people she's played with more than once. If she was hesitating about Yos then that's probably not that good of a sign for Yos.
Agreed. This is why smargaret and I have kinda independently agreed to just post when we want to w/o necessarily talking it over first. I just wanna know why Yos has some sort of a double standard going on though. It seems unnatural.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:P.S. re: lurking, I think FD and I have both suffered activitywise from wanting to synch up with our partners. Independent heads are more than twice as active as one combo.
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Yes. But I assumed by the sheer volume of posts made by you, Equinox, that you for whatever reason took the dominant role in that hydra. Plus I saw your name on the Online List but I didn't see Frosty's. I'm guessing he stays hidden, which is sad. Then when I saw RayFrost post in MD I was all like "OOH lemme con RayFrost to post in here!"Cellar door.-
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True, but I don't really see that as a problem when you've got a decent town to back you up who's able to look into connections like that. Yes, there are times to withhold information, but I don't really see why a (potential) Day before LyLo would be a good time to do so.Balam wrote:Why wouldn't it? We reveal that our list is x (town) / z (scum) / d (scum), b (town) / h (town) / a (scum), or u (town) / a / h, why would the scum ignore it? They could easily use this to their advantage: kill x over the night / push for the lynch of a or h, use the fact we feel there's connections to pseudo clear themselves in our eyes / get mislynches. Scumnottaking advantage of the information seems more unusual to me than scum taking the advantage.Cellar door.-
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Back again.
Post 1034, Balam wrote:The issue is... I've yet to play or read a game where I think/thought copperwasn'ttown. So yeah. The style of heir posting is kinda the blank walled poker face read that I can't really get through, and that makeseven though it's ame mistrust my town readrather solid town read.
Why did you lie? How could your read of Copper be "solid town" if you mistrust it?Post 1039, Balam wrote:So when I say games *I've* read/played, I mean games read/played by equinox. Though she isn't using meta in her read, she has told the hydra about the little meta she has.Cellar door.-
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Found.Copper wrote:Mini 934 - Vanilla Town
Apologies, Balam, I guess I did misread that. It was cool seeing your reaction though.
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From my perspective, the wagon on Yos looks fairly town and therefore tempting. I feel like I'm missing something major though like oh, idk, some kind of read on Copper and Lord Fonzi, perhaps? There's also that issue of me trying to figure out why exactly I thought Yos looked town when I replaced in. I need to check back with smargaret because she thought he was town too initially, but we've both been getting a sinking feeling about Yos more recently.
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Balam: What made Yos suddenly jump to a scum spot on your list?
This is quite possibly one of the weirdest things I've ever read. How does what I said in that post you quoted translate into an admittance that FES is town? What I said there about you was completely unrelated to FES; part of what RayFrost said in his 1034 summarized exactly what I've been thinking about your slot in that I too feel like "your style of play is kinda the blank-walled poker face read that I can't get through." The fact that you post so infrequently only magnifies that thought since I can't get a feel for you in real time. You might as well be ELIZA 2.0.Copper wrote:I can't help but feel that this accusation is an unconscious admittance from Fozni and Confusion that FES is townie. After our push on his wagon yesterday, it's certainly true that we haven't been as pro-town as those voting for scum. It feels as though we're being implicated for our efforts in securing a mislynch, before that mislynch is secured.
Because of all that, you have done nothing that even remotely makes me think you're pro-town. You seem to be implying that the recipe for you to be pro-town is the following:
1)Be logical.
2)Vote correctly.
3)Ask questions and ish.
4)Stir and fry.
But for me, when I think of someone being pro-town I know that it's a feeling that I get from their posts that's very difficult to fake. And you my friend are the most neutral read I've had in a long time. Even after you explained the logic behind your Balam vote, I still think you're as neutral as a 7.0 on the pH scale.
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@Daspot:No, I can't switch over to Yos since I don't want an L-1 on anyone just yet. Is my vote doing anything special on FES right now? Probably not, but I'll leave it there anyway.
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ReaperCharlie, you need to chill. I don't care how right you think you are or how good you think you are or how smart you think you are, if you're going to be intentionally insulting everyone and anyone in your path you're going to find yourself having very little influence over anyone in this thread or anyone in the future.
This is still just a GAME and right now you're making it disgustingly unbearable to read through.
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FES, I've pretty much dropped that point for the most part already. I only keep bringing it up because you keep asking about it some more. There are other reasons I find you scummy. The hammer was just icing on the cake.
Yos:
You said this way back at the start of Day 2. What do you think about it now?[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2876043#p2876043]Post 373[/url], YosFlavouredCayke wrote:That being said, I'm not as convinced as I was for most of yesterday of FD being scum. Feels like if he was scum, he'd have been more likely to use the fact that me and Cayke's reads were somewhat different at the end of the day yesterday as a BS reason to continue to attack us, instead of writing us off as probably town because of it.
unvote, vote: Copper
As tempting as the Yos wagon looks, I've already said I don't want him or anyone at L-1 just yet and I've always been a firm believer that vote movement and multiple wagons are critical to helping out scum. Sorry, smarg. It needs to be done. If there's one thing I've learned from playing Mafia that I always end up downplaying it's that my neutral reads more often than not turn out to be the scum. I'll be damned if I let this hydra just skate the way they have all game.Cellar door.-
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I'm still going back and forth on you actually. The biggest things that I haven't liked about you are the following:YosFlavouredCayke wrote:I'd also say the same about Incognito, so his suspicion on me feels wrong. I'm not clear why he suspects me, exactally; it bugs me that at first he called me town, and then when I casually mentioned I suspect him, he started saying he suspects me, but never explained it. It feels like he's trying to position himself so he can justify getting on a wagon on me later, while trying to avoid a fight with me right now; he keeps doing these "well, i suspect Yos, for vague reasons, but I'm going to vote for person X instead" things that are giving me bad vibes.
1) I think your defense of Frogito Ergo Sum seems really unnatural. It's weird to me how you've accused Final Destination of lurking and looking scummy for it but have ignored people who I'd consider to be either worse offenders of lurking or on par with FD - namely FES, Copper, Unicorn Brethren. With FES in particular, you've had this unwavering town read of them for reasons that I can't completely comprehend.
2) Your suspicions are almost exactly opposite of mine. This is one of the points that makes me go back and forth on you though actually since I've definitely seen this kind of thing from you before in at least one other game we've played in together. So I'm realizing it's not really a valid scum-tell against you.
3) When you voted Final Destination Today, it made me think of how you normally vote people in Face-to-Face Mafia when you're scum while sitting on the couch or something. I don't really know how to describe it lol.
What this game is teaching me though is that I really don't know how to read you in forum Mafia as well as I thought I did. In the past games that we've played together on MS, I've read you correctly only because you've said certain "town-slips" that were so obviously town that I said to myself "awesome. Yos is on my side here." Sadly, I haven't seen that in this game.
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Copper feels like the skating scum that everyone just kinda ignores who normally makes it to endgame with absolutely no ties to anyone leaving the townie left making the decision wishing they actually used their time wisely to figure them out before it was too late. I'm here to squash that right here right now. If I need to make a case to show why they deserve votes, I will.
It'd be nice to get some kind of confirmation that MoS and Primate are actually looking at the game? Just because the account isn't activated doesn't mean they can't just post separately on their own accounts for the time being like TheFonz and Lord Gurgi did.
And where's everyone else?
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See, this is the kind of thing that I really hate. It's like the people in this game just lock a vote down and go into shut-down mode where they feel like nothing else needs to be commented on and that a lynch should just happen already. You have nothing new to comment on over the last page or so?DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:I'm getting tired of seething with rage. Can we get somewhere with this game?Cellar door.-
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Fate does need to get back in here and do stuff. I still think they're very likely town - this latest bit of inactivity does illustrate a bit better what you guys were talking about though.
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My problems with Copper were pretty well summarized by Lord Fonzi in their 1118 there, but I'll add another point or two: I just get the feeling that Copper has been playing a very SAFE game. They've taken positions that seem reasonable on the surface, but I haven't gotten the feeling that they've really stuck their necks out to show that they actually BELIEVE in those positions that they've been talking about. For example, they keep calling different people town and the like, but they don't seem to assert that position by going out of their way to defend people that they claim to see as town or stuff like that like the way I'd expect town to. Every time they post, I feel like I'm reading the post of a politician rather than someone who's genuinely trying to find and lynch scum.
P.S. looking back, this post by Greymarble about Copper was so full of win that it needs to be brought to people's attention again:
The chart he's talking about here is an interactions chart (click on the link to see it in detail). Greymarble made a really astute observation there, and I really think he was onto something.[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2948835#p2948835]Post 875[/url], Greymarble wrote:Now this table is kind of interesting. It's the people you like to have back and forths with. Not mention in passing, but actually question and answer, scumhunt, work with.
You're a very questioning hydra. Yet you are a very SPECIFIC one.
Can we assume you question your top scum suspects? No. You've expressed suspicion of GummyBear, but your interactions are minimal. Is this for lurking? No. FES receives much more attention. Is it for frequent posting? No. I post much less frequently than Balam, but you barely talk to Balam at all. You've spent as much time questioning YFC as you have super-flake.
I'll be honest. This chart is weirding me out. You have people you like to talk to and people you don't like to talk to. It feels very, very agenda driven.
I think we should be lynching Copper Today.Cellar door.-
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Also, I'm beginning to narrow things down to PoE and here are the way my reads are beginning to shape up:
TOWN
Mastermate formerly Unicorn Brethren (I've said reasons for this a bunch of times Today).
Lord Fonzi (posting Today has been solid).
Daspot (again already mentioned before)
Final Destination (mentioned before)
Yos's explanation about FES seemed so solid that I'm even beginning to see reasons for why THEY may be town too.
For me that leaves two red flags:
Copper
Balam
Considering some of the thoughts mentioned by one of the Balamers in the MD bussing thread, I can't say this is something we should be completely believing.Lord Fonzi wrote:Balam showed the courage of their convictions in their Copper vote in a position that looked like it might make a Copper lynch an actually realistic prospect, which allayed my concern that Copper and Balam were distancing each other, while Balam softly supported a Yos lynch and Copper kept their noses clean by sticking with the bus.Cellar door.-
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