Delay of game. Clear infraction.
The mod told me that the surveys had their purpose. So I would assume they were used in some way to determine the alignment. After all it was announced as a UPick game.
Yep, that's why I proposed the wagon.diddin wrote:217-219 make me scratch my head... Dekes proposes a wagon on me, SD votes me at the slightest hint a wagon could happen, and then Dekes hops right on when he sees the wagon on me is getting somewhere? Not looking good for old Dekes here.
I didn't know this game was vanillaless, but my original point on Chess stands. He's still the scummiest to me.
chess, you want this guy to start a wagon with you?diddin wrote:Chronopie's unvote without revoting in his second post makes that tempting...chesskid3 wrote:hey diddin if you vote Chronopie I'll join you there.
Because no scum in their right mind will waste a kill on somebody that has to be killed by the town sooner or later.MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Dekes– please explain how you think the claim (and only the claim) somehow reduces my chance of being NKed.
Baseless accusations thrown around to make the suspect pool bigger. And at the same time reminding everyone that BS is still the scummiest person. Coincidentally the only wagon bigger than his.diddin wrote:OH HAI SD's BUDDY TRYING TO KEEP HIM ALIVE
Not much has changed in the last few pages. SD is scummy now that he's unconfirmed, but I think BS is more so.
Different circumstances. In SD's case there wasn't any other wagon to derail.MoI wrote:Once again – if BabySpice is scum kill Dekes with fire. I don’t recall seeing any mention of how SD’s wagon went ‘too fast’ (which is HORRIBAD reasoning, BTW).
diddin wrote:2. I saw it. I just don't and didn't like all the extreme caution coming from the hydra. I also dislike how they voted in the post replying to my suspicion for not voting. Thy crumbled under my pressure.
That's an incredibly vague reason. Care to elaborate?ooba wrote:- Pattern of votes & attacks.
1. Even by the highest stretch of imagination I didn't say or imply that. I know too well that bad players can be scum. I learned that the hard way. You can't give me a solid reason why scum-BS would object the diddin-wagon, when it's clear that no matter what one flips it doesn't exonerate the other. They're scummy for independent reasons. So you brush it off as WIFOM.MagnaofIllusion wrote:1. Yup. Bad players can’t possibly be scum. Noted.
2. Since you miss the obvious possibility they are partners I’ll just stuff this into my further pile of BabySpice defense from you and ignore the WIFOM here.
Since no town role will protect BS, if at some point a vig claims a failed killing attempt on BS, she goes down, easy as that. Why wouldn't scum use the opportunity to bus the hell out of scum-BS and her atrocious game now?Dekes wrote:And sure as hell in a 20 player game with all sorts of powers there is no possibility that scum might have a protective role, right? Right? Thought so.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:I gave you one quite clearly in the post you are responding to … they are partners together. Now you are out-of-hand dismissing a possibility. Of course they are scummy for independent reasons. That doesn’t mean they can’t be partners. Your reaction is why I suspect you.
MoI wrote:Yes, so the you are advocating the Vig out themselves if they shoot BS and fail in a power-role rich game where any number of possibilities exists for why the shot failed. That’s bad reasoning.
What makes you assume that none of the votes on BS aren’t from scum?
And what do you make of the large levels of resistance to a BabySpice wagon as compared to the ease with which ShadowDancer was brought to L-1?
Baby Spice wrote:Dont die if hide behind scum. Not going to ask about bRB as I doubt Andy would answer.
Super power is messenger based but to say more would make it useless.
ooba wrote:Dekes-SB links:
(Minor) Dekes promising to look into SB ISO but never doing so ..
quadz08 wrote:I wonder if Persephone's death has anything to do with the Hellfire?
Cause she was the Queen of the Underworld, and wife of Hades.
additionally, Castrated is an odd kill flavor; SK, perhaps? And Snow_Bunny seems likely to be the scumkill due to her death flavor.
Hellfire means that we need to be particularly careful with our votes today. With 16 alive, it's 9 - 2 = 7 to lynch today.
chesskid3 wrote:common sense would indicate dekes is RB immune
mothrax wrote:In other news, I am certainly down for an ooba lynch as lynch two. CMAR was scummy before he replaced out. Ooba hasn't really done much since then. I have specific posts in mind but can't quote ATM since I am stuck phone posting until finals are over.
AlmasterGM wrote:I have no idea what is going on in this giant shithole.
Axelrod wrote:And Ooba, was there a reason Dekes wasn't still on the table for second lynch that I have missed?
Iecerint wrote:Dekes, have you made comments about gandalf somewhere, other than to deny having been roleblocked?
mothrax wrote:Seriously, the first 15 posts are filled with speculation about claims, dead sections, and buddying to other players. Then there is some gandalfbrand content that is almost always scummy anyways. Then you go back to the fluff anf then, oh look, more setup speculation.
Lynch2: Gandalf
quadz08 wrote:I think that AGM using his supposed ability before his lynch is a good idea. I also agree that it should be solely AGM's decision.
AlmasterGM wrote:Scum:
AGar
Shadow Dancer
Shadow Dancer wrote:Great news: AGM's claim just became quite a lot more believable recently. I strongly advocate against an AGM-lynch today.
Shadow Dancer wrote:AV's flip will certainly help us decide on the question of mafia's mythological link.
Shadow Dancer wrote:So you basically claim useless random role that confirmably caused a town death...
Shadow Dancer wrote:Wrong. If it safes us a misslynch he needs to use it.
Axelrod wrote:MagnaofIllusion wrote:Axelrod’s 1441 is another large post that is chock full of speculation and little in the way of actual reads on players. He softly suggests several players (myself and ooba) feel like scum and immediately backs off that position by saying “I suspect those who jump at me”.
You have zero excuse for getting on me for that, considering Clash of Kings. I said more or less the exact same thing about you then, and gee, you were scum. As far as I know, Ooba isn't even jumping on me so I don't know what you're at there. I'm wary of him because he seems fairly unreadable atm.
Axelrod wrote:This is about his supposed "read" of me in this game. If he's Town, he should know the point he's making is not a valid point. I think MoI is actually very smart. So I am definitely holding it against him here that he's so off base.
AurorusVox wrote:Ooba, even if I was scum, I think it would be bad form to out anyone from the other scumteam,
LordChronos wrote:Fine. I targeted Snow_Bunny last night. My role has to do with why there are multiple death stages.
Shadow Dancer wrote:I wonder why you don't even mention my full claim with one sigle word, Dekes.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:1. If he was playing in a survivalistic manner he would be pressing hard on someone on his wagon. Instead he is answering questions in a controlled manner.
2. Gandalf’s claim would properly explain why his claimed normal Whispher failed even without Chesskid’s claim. Saying he should be suspicious of Gandalf because of it is horrible logic.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:@EVERYONE– What do you think of the following theory –
That Conspiracy’s claim and very self-sacrificing play was a gambit designed to buy Chesskid Town cred since a claimed Role-blocker flipping Scum would bolster his claim?
LordChronos wrote:Dekes said he had reason to believe Mothrax was Town, but then began to doubt it. What was that reason and is there a reason not to say?
Shadow Dancer wrote:Why? If your claim is true they cannot avoud it anyway, but it could provide useful info for town (though it would be most useful if you had blocked some NK, which you haven't - all under the assumption you're speaking the truth).
AGar wrote:There would have to be crazy crazy gambitting going on for Chesskid to be a RB with ConSpiracy. Because as far as I can tell, Conspiracy wasn't lying. Or if he was, he was using a scumbuddies claim as his own. Which would be wtf.
Shadow Dancer wrote:Gemini.
Let's vig Gemini.
Yes, Iamparanoid.
But by PoE - give me one good reason why Gemini isn't scum ("town read" is not at all an acceptable reason).
chesskid3 wrote:DEKES ANY BREADCRUMBS?
Gemini wrote:L
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There's no way that we would volunteer to do this as a gambit knowing that Iec has a day vig. All he has to do is vig you and town could still lynch us if we were lying, or vig me and then lynch your lying ass. It would be horribly poor timing for this particular gambit if that's what we were doing.
We've got your entire role PM, including a HI-larious picture of your tiny birdie head on your big buff bod. I know your flavor (you hate the Greek for offering sacrifices to Helios rather than you) and I know your powers, which you are telling the truth about although I certainly don't see anything about Snow_Bunny in here, and you are not Apollo. Oh and I know your kill flavor so if you somehow manage to convince people and survive past this day, you better not ever make a kill because if anyone turns up BURNED TO DEATH, how will you explain that one away?
Shadow Dancer wrote:Dekes wrote:Tracked diddin N1 and Super is a tracking chain.
Some one look for Dekes hinting at Diddin being definite vig. I cannot remeber him adressing that theory even once...
Tracking chain?! How does it work?
MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Dekes– why did you ‘trust’ Gemini?
MoI wrote:1. To prevent a scum counter-claim. A viable breadcrumb is just the evidence you need to guarantee you don’t get lynched in a gambit.
2. In this case because we only have ‘your word’ that you were Masons at all.
gandalf5166 wrote:I just came up with the most convincing reason not to kill Dekes: He's the last of his faction most likely, since he's Egyptian. So if ANYBODY shows up as burnt to death, we lynch him immediately. If we ever have a night with two kills and no burnt to death flavor, Dekes is confirmed town and we kill Gemini. Meantime: Chess or LC?