Battle for Olympus - Game Over!

[Shadow Dancer]

Hi, everyone. Time for some Götterdämmerung I guess.
Let's look at the player list to start with.
Hmmm...
Looks good. But Gandalf and Chess need to go. Good day one lynches for now.

vote Gandalf

[Shadow Dancer]

Actually after readig I found out that Chess is incredibly more annoying than Gandalf.

Unvote. Vote Chess

And who's talking about policy lynch? As long as nothing more scummy happens it's a perfectly valid scum, lynch. And I totally endorse that lynch right now.

I take Magna as confirmed town, based on his claim.

So you invoke mythology from the Norse Mythos when clearly the scum element is Non-Greek Gods? Scumtastic.

Doesn't this feel a bit like a prequel to you?

[Shadow Dancer]

He basically claims that he needs to be killed, when in doubt even by a town vig, name one plausible scum motivation to do this!

[Shadow Dancer]

*Facepalm*
You know what a figuratiive meaning or a metaphor is, Magna, right? It's not the exact literal meaning. Of course this is not Ragnarök. But there will be a great many of dead deities at the end of this.

Ranger, cool logic. "I ignore all reasonable objections and just pretend to be right as if I wasn't just asked a question." Hint: You are not really an omniscient god. That's only your role PM. And mysterious ways can be a lynchable offense.

[Shadow Dancer]

That's really bad WIFOM. Sacraficing a scum member right away to maybe gain some slight influence on some easily impressed townie is hardly an advantageous tactic for scum. Not convincing. And how it's "scummy at worst" needs some elaboration. Seems like you desperately need to graso at straws.

Unvote. Vote Ranger

[Shadow Dancer]

Did you really just say

cum

slip O_o?!!?!? Twice!?

Anyway interesting how you come go all the way from "cumslip" via "reaching for" to "townfight"? Seems all over the place.

[Shadow Dancer]

Also no asking MoI to nameclaim is not rolefishing
if he's faking I want his ass locked to a claim

He pretty much claimed he has more powers. Him rolenameclaiming would give you a guess at what those powers could be, hence, rolefishing.

False.

"

S

cumslip" (allofusgodsdamnit!!!!) implies that I was scum.

"Reaching" implies Ranger was scum.

"Townfight" implies we're both town.

OK, it's not entirely

all

over the place. Threre's missing a "bussing" or "distancing"...

[Shadow Dancer]

SD: Is anyone who votes for you (except for Magna) inevitably scum?

Given hoiw much every one is just cheap waggon hopping and not caring to aply any logic to it it's reasonable to aply an increased probability to be scum on them.

[Shadow Dancer]

Vote SD

Lets start with the person who raises the wrong mythology.

Struggling with poor connection

Just for all your info: I won't comment on this any more. There's nothing to add. It's just way too stupid.

[Shadow Dancer]

To be fair, scum with L-1 restriction is rather stupid, because if they make it to 3 person lylo it's an autolose once they crossvote with someone, so it's seen as unfair.

So it's a way to weaken the scum team a bit... And encuraging sacrificial lamb tactics. Ok... I admit, that this may be a possibility. Still I wouldn't expect Magna scum to claim hi true role/power in that case.

[Shadow Dancer]

Since town consists of greek grods (or other mythological beings) and scum is supposedly composed of characters from other mythologies and scum cannot know which role names are actual assigned town roles (though there's a pretty wide spectrum to pock from) I would assume that scum has perfectly safe safe-claims and claiing names could or could not give away useful information to either town or scum. I see more risk than use in this state of the game, so I am against name claiming.

[Shadow Dancer]

Why my vote is a good vote has everything to do with the Plum-tell which you completely avoided in this initial response.

You want an answer why your so caled "Plum-tell" is invalid.
i. Because it's based on one single incident.
ii. Because I am not Plum.

Also you've begun a series of nitpicky attacks (going after Ranger for being 'mysterious', attacking CMAR on what is cleary a typo) as opposed to honestly scum-hunting.

You need to clarify what you are saying here. Who is the scum member being sacrificed and who are the easily impressed Townies?

Scum member would be you. Easily impressed townie would be any one who's blindly following you due to your supposed confiremd town status.

1. What scum-hunting purpose is there in pointing out a funny but otherwise innocuous typos in his post?

Zero. None. Nada. It's just plain funny.

2. He’s pointed out that his statement makes clear sense and I overall agree. He’s calling “Wrong Pantheon” slip not a slip (it isn’t so he’s correct), says anyone pressing you on that issue is ‘reaching’, and that your interaction with Ranger is a Town on Town (this is the one aspect I don’t like as labelling an argument Town v Town so early is pulling a Zang). It is hardly all over the place.

How do you know which supposed "scumslip" he adresses, he doesn't say so specifically.
He attributes scumslip with "terrible" which implies he takes it as a serious scumslip, just to then accuse people of "reaching" (implying dishonest, i.e. scummy, motivations) and then calls it town on town - on no grounds.
It is hardly an attack, btw, just me asking him to specify his opinion.

[Shadow Dancer]

I would not be surprised, and would expect, the Mod to give the scum at least some safe claims. What's more up in the air is whether he'd give them

all

safe claims. Seems like most of the time I see this, the Mod has given the scum 2-3 "safe-claims" and the others end up having to fend for themselves.

If anyone knows the ways these particular mods have handled this issus in the past that might answer the question right there.

In the original greek mythology, where without a doubt Andrius (who was in that game) got his inspiration from, there were no safe claims, but that was regarded as a major shortcoming of that setup, so I srtongly believe we have safe claims this time.

[Shadow Dancer]

Did I say "would be the scum member" or did I say "is the scum member". If it is in deed the first (O_o it is!), what are you basing your conclusion on.

[Shadow Dancer]

Did I say "would be the scum member" or did I say "is the scum member". If it is in deed the first (O_o it is!), what are you basing your conclusion on.

I didn't read what you were saying right (probably because it doesn't make a lot of sense).

If I now understand correctly, you were originally attacking Ranger of the North, who said that MoI could still be scum with his claim. And you were basically saying "No he couldn't, because it would be stupid for scum to "sacrifice" one of their members that way (by making a claim like MoI made), for the marginal gain of - getting some people to think he was Town?

Is that right?

I was attacking Ranger for voting me based on not stated but seemingly forcefully strteched reasons. It was somehow based on our discussion for which sane reasons scum would possibly right away claim hated townie.

[Shadow Dancer]

Bolded from me. Who's this "we" you're talking about?

We = every one in this game / this game as a community.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Plum: You disregard the rather trivial explanation that I call Magna confirmed town because I consider him just that, at least for all current practical purposes. And even if you take the rather wide scumtell cathegory "buddying" - not every calling some one town is buddying, you know. If you'd really be interested in finding scum and potentially eventually calling me out as such you'd wait and watch and wait for further evidence that you buddying theory is valid, which ion the case of real buddying would unquestionably come sooner or later. Right now you're not looking for scum but for cheap reasons to call some one scum. That's also far too common behaviour when game leaves RVS, though.

[Shadow Dancer]

I was wondering if you would go this way. Neither of those arguments holds any water.

So how about this one: Your whle argument is based on the preassumption that I was in deed buddying scum - in case I am not the whole things falls apart to "I don't agree with Shadow -> Shadow is scum." And that should make you reconsider the whole thing twice.

Your argument breaks down then as you were the only player to suggest I was confirmed in the least. And you clearly aren’t following me.

How does my argu7ment break down there? It leads to the valid deduction that I am not an easily impressed townie right now.

Ok, so it was pure fluff. Understood.

Exactly! That one single paragraph was fluffyfluffy toilet humour posting!

1. The accusations against you at that stage when CMAR posted were two-fold – firstly that you ‘slipped’ and didn’t realise Greek Gods were Town because you were scum and second that you buddied up. CMAR addresses the buddying angle as Null so he can only be referring to the Pantheon slip.

I don't see much sense in discussing with you, what Cry meant.

[Shadow Dancer]

Poseidon, Greek God of The Sea and Earthquakes.

Power: Submerge (jailkeep).
Superpower: We'll come to this one later.

[Shadow Dancer]

And no passives...

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gemini: I won't discuss any bullshit issue any more. Lynch me or lynch me not based on my claim. Your decision.

color: Some kind of greenish... tourquoise... Something in between. Maybe teal would be most appropriate.

[Shadow Dancer]

color code: color=#3CB371

[Shadow Dancer]

Scum got fakeclaims. The prominence of his claim is irrelevant.

The most prominent gods are more likely in the game and thus not scum fake claims...

[Shadow Dancer]

Scum got fakeclaims. The prominence of his claim is irrelevant.

The most prominent gods are more likely in the game and thus not scum fake claims...

Not if the mods have a brain.......

Not exactly. There are so many possible claims left...

[Shadow Dancer]

There is likely soem meaning to it. So what's your point, gand?

[Shadow Dancer]

There's certainly some meta somewhere to back up any thesis...

[Shadow Dancer]

You call BS? You wanna CC? I won't claim my SP. Not now, i.e. today (D1), at least.

[Shadow Dancer]

But it's noted you are trying to use that as a defense.

My defense? Lol. I won't defend myself any more. I was just wondering on what grounds that annpying chesskid is doubting my claim.

[Shadow Dancer]

That said, it bothers me that SD is insisting his life depend on his claim and nothing else. We need to find scum and clamming up isn't going to help us do it and it also lends credence to the idea that you are scum leaning on a fake claim to throw the claim out as your only defense.

It's just tha, you know, you might have ralized that defending myself with actual reason led to some morons piling votes on me.

[Shadow Dancer]

SD: can you please say why you refuse to claim superpower?

Obviously isn't it? One of the reasons is that it can partly confirm my claim later on, but only if people don't see it coming and outguess me. Claiming it now would make me useless, I#d rather die on the spot. End of this discussion.

[Shadow Dancer]

Unvote

fffucking bullshit

I swear
there will be words postgame
about this setup if he really is a JK

[disclaimer: Ugly allcaps coming. If your name's not Chesskid you can safely skip it.]
YOU KNOW WHAT? IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK MYTHOLOGY WE HAD LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OR WHATEVER COP STYLE POWERS AND WE WERE ONLY 12 PLAYERS AND COULD NOT THE FUCK BELIEVE IT FIRST. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT IT'S NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE UP 40+ REALLY UNIQUE ROLES WITH U-PICK FEASIBILITY? AND NOW DO SOMETHING USEFUL ALREADY.

[Shadow Dancer]

Are you halucinating? Stop taking drugs, chess.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hey, chess, if I am lynched and flip pantheon, will you confess you are a retarded sqaller and replace out?

[Shadow Dancer]

Beacause AGar wasn't softclaiming somehzting like that all the time??? Patience is a virtue that most people seem not to learn...

[Shadow Dancer]

And now scum know that he can confirm or even refute claims of certain role names. Guess what: That's bad and if you'd thought about it you wouldn't have needed tht info.

[Shadow Dancer]

No. All scum know now is that he knew that one role name was in the game. And I already stated that I wasn't going to attempt to force him to reveal any information he didn't want to reveal. Anyway, didn't I already say I was done arguing with you?

In another context, yes. But alright. Discussion ends, vote stays for now. We can keep this up if you want.

[Shadow Dancer]

In fact his softclaim makes chess more likely town for now... Which is sad

[Shadow Dancer]

Too many suspects. Ranger and his nicely wrapped up "I disagree -> I call scum" vote are just two of them.
But yeah.

Unvote. Vote diddin

[Shadow Dancer]

Unvote. Vote Baby

Last three posts are just terrible.

[Shadow Dancer]

I really despise the amount of rolefishing that's going on right now. If you think you have a plan to break the game than think it through and convince us before you demand further claims of any kind. Else I will intensify my looking for scum right there.

[Shadow Dancer]

Axelrod, do you really consider Agar as stupid as that he is inabled to decide for himself, knowing his role a fair amount better than you do, if he has any more information to claim that would be useful for town (i.e. more than for scum) right now?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gand: Even now I am confirmed

not scum

. You know my claim. You know about Agars claim. How about you just do a little practice in patience and do some

useful

scum hunting.
@quadz: Are you serious?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Charon: And thanks for really seriously invoke the impression that you put this up because my clain would have faultily confirmed. You know, if some wannabe smartasses lynch me now, that's way too close to a mod error.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hey, Gand, after ul2fr you better stop trying being smart because you aren't.
I don't care if you consieder me potential SK or whatever you please BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE GODDAMN BRAINS TO REALIZE THAT I AM A DEFINITE NON LYNCH TODAY AND YOU BETTER PARK YOUR VOTE SOMEWHERE ELSE!

If I where a Poseidon SK, do you really think I wouldn't have asked the mod to correct the roles before claiming? Do you really think I would have willingly maneuvered myself into a situation where my claim looks like rubbish?

[Shadow Dancer]

Then find a fucking SK to lynch, but stop trying to be smart on stupid mod errors.
If I was Poseidon SK I'd have known that the game rules where incorrect. Do you really think I would have hoped that Charonmod would never realize it (especially with me claiming) and never correct it?
And I am not getting "jumpy". This is just my pissed off self that's waiting for you to grow some brainlike structure and realize that a potential me SK is toast anyway and thus not an urgent lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

So you are OK with just parking your vote in neverneverland... OK.

[Shadow Dancer]

What makes you think I am against a Diddin lynch btw?

[Shadow Dancer]

are you high? please be sober while playing mafia. you know the reason why i trashtalk the shit outa you.

[Shadow Dancer]

UNVOTE
VOTE: SD

Mind if I call you the paramount of incopetence once again. You do. Fine. YOU ARE THE PARAMOUNT OF INCOPETENCE.

[Shadow Dancer]

SD: Stop it. Barring AGar saying he knows you're town from his Role PM, you're probably gonna die today. Get over it.

Are the retarded propagating? Is Idiocracy arriving?

[Shadow Dancer]

He did. And @SD: You still haven't answered my question.

You asked a question O_o Wouldn't have put that past you. Here's a deal: You unvote, I answer somw questions of yours.

@Chess: This is me chilling. Gandalf's no match for me. He still hasn't got a clue. Now you stop becoming retarded, too. To you I'll be nice.

[Shadow Dancer]

O, I found it...

What makes you think I am against a Diddin lynch btw?

Oh... not. That was

mine

. Oops.

[Shadow Dancer]

That is why I wanna bang Charon's head throgh something very hard and solid right now, but that is besides the point. A reasonable person would also not waste my, his and every one's tiem and vote me.

[Shadow Dancer]

O, I found it...

What makes you think I am against a Diddin lynch btw?

Oh... not. That was

mine

. Oops.

Already answered that a long time ago.

Nope.

are you high? please be sober while playing mafia. you know the reason why i trashtalk the shit outa you.

That said, no I don't. Is there any particular reason?

Did you just claim you did not even read any of my posts. Pathetic.

[Shadow Dancer]

And you call that an answer? That's dodgy as hell.

[Shadow Dancer]

Well, crud. Now there's TWO good wagons on VI's.

UNVOTE:

We'll go with
VOTE: Shadow Dancer
since he's not only being dumb and useless, but he's scummier than BS.

You wanna talk to me about dumb? You know what you whole "VI policy lynch" over scum hunting policy is? Yeah mright. Scummy as hell

Unvote. Vote Qua

[Shadow Dancer]

And you call that an answer? That's dodgy as hell.

Well, I don't know. I'm simply saying that that wasn't the point of my post.

You made a far stronger stance by impliing that my desire ro get a Baby lynch over a Diddin lynch was strong enough to influence my decissions.

[Shadow Dancer]

And you call that an answer? That's dodgy as hell.

Well, I don't know. I'm simply saying that that wasn't the point of my post.

And that it's clear that you're making up random bullshit to get me to shift away. And guess what, it's not going to work.

I think I already said this, but I can again: Leave being smart to those who are. BUt about the "shift away" YOU BETTER DO!

[Shadow Dancer]

Then stop believing and try out thinking.

[Shadow Dancer]

Not that I would discuss with you if you are scum or not. But I cannot imagine any excuse more obvious than this for lying low on day 1 (and even D2?!?!) and not trying and find scum.

[Shadow Dancer]

Right now you seem dedicated to advocate policy lynches.

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, now don't listen to my pissed off cocky arsehole bullshit, listen to >>>AGAR<<< - don't try to show how idependent a thinker you are, just listen to the people who

know

something. That shouldn't be too unreasonable for any of you.
Interesting, btw, how Iec is cheering for my lynch from the sideline.

[Shadow Dancer]

I'd never crush independent thinkers. Independend thinkers can't be crushed. That was adressed to those wannabes who are still voting for me.
I'll provide someting useful as soon as I have something useful to bring up. if you can convince certain people to look for scum somewhere else I'll be pleased to cease the junkspeak in the meantime.

[Shadow Dancer]

A survivor wouldn't be a danger, definitely not wortha lynch, right? But it's not self obsession. It's a secret plan that which is desperately dedicated to keeping me alive until D2 and stop people looking in the wrong direction which is seems the most important step to fulfil my town wincon right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gandalf's probably town. Only town can be so wrongly overfocussed with such devotion.
The more I think about BS's claim the more I consider it truthful. It's seems unlikely, but things like that actually

can

happen, Chronos and Chronopie are pretty similar names after all. Still suspicious, but not worth a lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gandald, I never claimed scum. Stop being a jerk and vote diddin if you want. Rendering yourself useless will make scum happy, you know.

[Shadow Dancer]

Uuhh... All those walls. I have a headache. Maybe later...

[Shadow Dancer]

Yeaaahh, Ooba's /in!

And I really should catch up now... :\

[Shadow Dancer]

Exactly. Town ALWAYS has incomplete info. WHICH IS WHY USING LOGIC TO TRY TO WIN THE GAME IS RETARDED

*ShakeHeadAndResign*

[Shadow Dancer]

@BS: First of it is "Ragnarök" not "Ragnorak".
For some one who seemingly knows little about mytholoy - whichever mythology that might be - you are strangely overconfident in seeing "scumtells" therein...
And your attack on MoI seems like the worst ourburst of OGUS i can imagine.
Too bad, I was almost at the point to pitty you for your "Chronos/Chronpie"- slip.

Unvote. Vote Baby

[Shadow Dancer]

Meh. It all feels so much like lynch the usual VIs... D0s...

[Shadow Dancer]

Have some faith and patience.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gandalf, for the last time: I am not an an SK. And your damn insistence on that paranoia does not make half the sense you want it to. Blind setup speculations before even N1 has happened are as useful as a wiper on a submarine.
And even if you really believe that stuff you're excreting all the time you should have realized that a me lynch is out of question and that there are actual scum in this game that you should care for.

[Shadow Dancer]

(Oh, my role PM had a correction sent to me, specifically adding that I was aligned with the greek pantheon. I assumed being a greed goddess that I was anyway and never questioned or noticed that the line was missing. Combine that with SD's reaction to Charon's message and SD is def not town.)

I am just curious: What does Charon supposedly forgeting a line your role PM have to do with my reaction on his rule change and my reaction to it leading you to the conclusion I was not town?

[Shadow Dancer]

It's in deed not an obvious power. Could you explain the flavour?

[Shadow Dancer]

SD comment sounds like his role pm didnt have aligned with greek pantheon in it hence he is not town. Timimg of message and commment similar but hard to check on kindle.

Nor. My comment sounded as if Andrius' would have deliberately invoked the impression that my claim was not a valid town claim and my ability to be confirmed via name claim not intended.

[Shadow Dancer]

Understood.

Still need normal power flavor.

No I dont think you do

It is jus flavour, it's fluff, it's nothing - why do you mind claiming it?!

[Shadow Dancer]

Hey, even if the colours are made up - it's not hard to asswociate Iris wit rainbow colours. From my claim (and premsumably a sample of three or four well known scum role PMs) it is not hard to get the idea that colours are flavour-associated. (if any one's colour seems to contradict my assumption you should protest now [I don't want to know any flavour or colour, just if they don't match up])
Paraphrasing is allowed and claiming a bit of flavour is hardly an illegal quote of role PM.
And unless I am really missing something really obvious here the association between "rainbow" and "hider" is somewhere between unclear and nonexistent.

[Shadow Dancer]

I don't mind the "not dying when hiding behind scum" stuff because in a game like this I expect some degree of unusual role and role variations, but the self vote looks terrible. As a hider of that kind I would expect some will to survive, given that she'd make a very precious (i.e. unnightkillable) confirmed townie.

[Shadow Dancer]

Messenger makes a lot of sense for Iris. As opposed to rainbow-hider...
Baby, can you confirm yourself via your special power?

[Shadow Dancer]

-|Attention|-

The fervor of the discussion roared as assorted Gods and Goddesses heckled over the day's occurances. In a rare moment of silence, an unseen speaker's voice reaches your ears...

" "Messenger makes a lot of sense for Iris. As opposed to rainbow-hider...
Baby, can you confirm yourself via your special power?"

One shot super power, yes."

I guess that means I was right and you copied Flava-Hermes' messanger SP from Greek mythology

/unvote

[Shadow Dancer]

How exactly does having a Messenger ability confirm Baby as Town again?

It makes Iris most likelky not a fake claim. And Iris is definitely dreek and can hardly be considered anti-town/SK/3rd party. thus she must be town.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gand: And why exactly is BS so high on your lynch list right now?

[Shadow Dancer]

It is possible, but based on the very limited knowledge I have right now I seriously do not think so.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hardly, but I can lynch you if you prove not trustworthy any time, so go on.

[Shadow Dancer]

And this knowledge is?

Nothing that you wouldn't know either.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gand, why didn't you use it on me or BS when we already had the required votes?

[Shadow Dancer]

AAAAAHHH!!! WHAT THE HOLY PANTHEONS FUCK! (Rereading)

[Shadow Dancer]

(Also, it looks like your find indicates that there aren't 2 mafia factions sooo /fail on my part. Every large I've been in since forever has had 2 scumteams.)

Which find exactly? How do you explai three NKs then?

[Shadow Dancer]

<3<3<3 Iec. Too bad we're not masons in this game. <3<3<3

[Shadow Dancer]

I agree with scum busdrive and AGM result being mod chosen for pure lulz (I was in some marathon upick with andy and AGM where AGM was jesus, I guess that's one of AGMs links, so...)

[Shadow Dancer]

If one of the kills was a one shot/super power vig, It would be nice to know, btw. Please claim if that's the case.

[Shadow Dancer]

@GAND: BEFORE I FORGET THIS. WTFWTFWTF!?!?!? YOU BETTER JUSTIFY YOUR FAIL SELF IMMEDIATELLY OR I'LL DO ANSYTHING TO MAKE YOU THE SECOND LYNCH OF THE DAY. A CLAIM WOULD BE APPRORIATE!

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, following Ooba's pseudo-vote idea (which I appreceate in the current situation):

Lynch1: AV

Lynch2: Gand

[Shadow Dancer]

Bad post, AV. It seems to me that SP cannot be blocked or redirected by normal powers (waiting for mod confirmation on this).
I said BS is surely town/saying the truth, too? How comes you don't attack me for it?
Crumbs are worth shit, especially with elaborate scum fake claims. But nice try.
If your claim is in deed true you better use your super right now to confirm yourself (don't worry about the no confirm in case of no kill part, that is for certain reasons irrelevant). Given that it cannot kill greek gods it cannot cause any harm

[Shadow Dancer]

Is there a reason for SD to not say who he "jailed" last Night?

This would at least presumably be someone who didn't do any killing.

Dekes.

[Shadow Dancer]

Chrono should definitely elaborate on that "grace" stuff.

[Shadow Dancer]

Reason was mostly gut after reread.
Why do you think you weren't jailed, Dekes?

[Shadow Dancer]

Is there a reason for SD to not say who he "jailed" last Night?

This would at least presumably be someone who didn't do any killing.

Dekes.

I know for a fact I wasn't jailed last night.

This game gets a whole lot interesting ..
SD you go any flavor on your JK?

Role PM flavour is submerge, I already claimed that, I submerge some one, roleblocking him and preventing one kill attempt.

[Shadow Dancer]

Out of {AV, Iec} Iec is trustworthy. AV lynch is out pf question. Don't let confirmed scum distract you.

[Shadow Dancer]

NOOOOOOOOO!! DAMN IT AND LISTEN: IEC IS TRUSTWORTHY I WILL EXPLAIN WHY WHEN TIME'S RIPE FOR IT.

[Shadow Dancer]

There is certainly another element between Dekes and me. I daresay there are two sthings that might be noteworthy. But not yet.

[Shadow Dancer]

NOOOOOOOOO!! DAMN IT AND LISTEN: IEC IS TRUSTWORTHY I WILL EXPLAIN WHY WHEN TIME'S RIPE FOR IT.

I never said Iece was not trustworthy. But explain how that is not a foolproof plan for testing the 1 vs 1 ?

And was that a Dionysus-grapes-ripe pun?

I didn't mean that your plan is bad per se. But it has a pretty strong implication that Iec was lying which I right now would almost 100% rule out.

[Shadow Dancer]

Charon just confirmed that normals cannot influence any supers.

[Shadow Dancer]

Just let AV use his alleged super and see what happens
In his next post I expect a target claim.

[Shadow Dancer]

I think I didn'Ät get any flavour indicating any kind of success/outcome of my normal. But I had quite some PMs going back and forth between mod and me, so I'll check again.
To make it clear again: There is basically no leeway for AV being town, and Iec is almost surely saying the truth. So I don't even want to try to unerstand your mumbling about two scum teams and whatnot in #907.

[Shadow Dancer]

I doublechecked - and no there is nothing that suggests submerge failed for whatever reason, there's also nothing that suggests otherwise, though.
Dekes should claim why he is so shure that my jailkeep failed.

[Shadow Dancer]

Maybe you should not suggest your expectations in Gandalf's claim as long as he hasn't claimed

[Shadow Dancer]

To make it clear again: There is basically no leeway for AV being town, and Iec is almost surely saying the truth. So I don't even want to try to unerstand your mumbling about two scum teams and whatnot in #907.

Are you trying to be to Iece what Agar was to you? To reiterate, Iece is one of my strongest town reads. However, if AV is town, he should shoot Iece:
- Iece uses alignment super on AV
- Supers cannot be disrupted by other powers
- Therefore only two possible explanations remain - AV is scum (or) Iece is lying scum
- Town AV shooting anybody else doesn't make sense ..

edit: I think you can guess why he's sure he was not JK'd. I don't see a reasons as to why Dekes should claim ..

Yes, I am kind of Iec's Agar right now. Finally you got it. Thank you.

[Shadow Dancer]

But AV is lyning scum anyway, so I doubt he has his power or will allow town to direct it anywhere if he really has a kill, so that whole discussion is pointless.
Nontheless I want him to use his super and claim in his next post.

[Shadow Dancer]

I got an idea


AV shoots someone like Chronopie

if they dont die
we lynch AV + another lynch candidate
if AV flips town then that person he tried to shoot is conftown
if AV flips scum and the person he shot no die, we lycnh them tomorrow or osmething

I'm sorry, why does AV flipping scum = whoever he tries to shoot being scum/3rd party? That assumption requires that he is lying about his role and that he makes sure to use it on a scumpartner, both of which seem like fairly large assumptions.

@SD

Stop with the rolefishing. It's fairly clear why Dekes says your jailkeep failed.

No it is not. If he has a result he does not need to claim it. But he could claim that he has confirmation that his normal went through.

[Shadow Dancer]

Dekes, do you have information that confirms to you in some way that your normal power wasn't blocked? Yes or no?

[Shadow Dancer]

Quadz,

Chronopie

claimed the double vote on Agar. That seems to be confirmed now (mod/VC).
So that does not confirm at all so far that dekes wasn't RBed.

[Shadow Dancer]

TO MAKE THIS CLEAR YET ANOTHER TIME: IEC IS VERY MOST LIKELY NOT LYING. ANY THEORIES BASED ON THE NOTION OF HIM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH ARE A ONE WAY STREET WITH A PRETTY SOLID WALL AT THE END.

@Gand: Tell me how Executioner/busdriver confirms you as tow in any way. Also tell me why you did not use your super on me, if you are even now still so darn sure that I should be lynched. And lastly explain why you don't want to full claim after you already claimed both your powers?

@Chess: Are you implying that you JKed me? If so - why?

[Shadow Dancer]

addition to Chess: And if you targeted some one else a claim would also be nice and helpful.

[Shadow Dancer]

common sense would indicate dekes is RB immune

Not that I know of.

If anynone noticed. I didn't came out yelling "SD's a liar!", because I think it's possible that both scum and town have a reason to block SD's action. But we can make this easy:

Does anyone want to come forward and claim that he or she might be responsible for SD's jailkeep not working on me last night? If not, SD is a liar and needs-a-lynchin'.

Whoever said, "Jesus is a God". Wtf? I mean, Iece claimed beforehand that his results may not be accurate. And then he gets a result of a non-God? I see no reason whatsoever to see AGM as scum based on Iece's claim alone.

lynch2: quadz

How about you explaining first and finally why you are so sure your normal worked? Or sis it because your scum kill went through?

[Shadow Dancer]

Willing to give Gandalf some "too wrong to be scum" credit for now, but that may change rapidly.

lynch 2: Dekes

is a go. Not only because of OMGUS for launching all the weak attacks on me lately (maybe he knows I was blocked by scum!)

I would compromise on Alma or Axel.

[Shadow Dancer]

He only needs to claim that it's been confirmed by mod PM or that the effect is obvious or whatever, I am not asking him to claim his power.

[Shadow Dancer]

Dekes already claimed that much, though. Do you really think a little bit of further elaboration would bring scum any significant WIFOM bonus over alleged Dekes town?

[Shadow Dancer]

lolololololololo me target AV
lolololololol me protective
lololololol me block SD

hilarious

Hardly. For I never targeted AV.
Gandalf's skill seems more and more obscure... Now it also involves Dekes?

[Shadow Dancer]

I suddenly remember why I wanted both of {Gand,Chesa} policy lynched...
I will comromise on either of them, too...

[Shadow Dancer]

Careful with that shotgun, Gand, it's your big toe you're pointing it at. And now stop the bullshit.

[Shadow Dancer]

It confirmed her a hundred times more than your deeds confirm you, Gand.
And now please stop feeding the

chess

trollkid.

[Shadow Dancer]

Babyspice acted bizarrely, but Gand just plain scummy.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gand: If you happened to have answered this somewhere in between your argy-bargy with Chess, please point it out, else please answer it now:
You were (and somehow are still) very focussed on me being scum/SK, but then you suddenly decided all for yourself that

Baby

desperately needed to die, so desperately that you even considered it a good choice to trick town into supporting you. Why didn't you use your execute on me or on Baby when the waggon was still a real waggon?

[Shadow Dancer]

Babyspice acted bizarrely, but Gand just plain scummy.

How can you look at me and chess's argument and derive that I'm the scum? And we're pretty obviously not both scum, at least not together.

This has nothing to do with your chess argument.

[Shadow Dancer]

So you prefered a lynch town did

not

want over any lynch town wanted O_o
Lying to town to get in a kill on a confirmable, not easily NKable townie is the paramount of obvtown play... Oh wait... You're right... This

is

the wrong list.

[Shadow Dancer]

I think I already mentioned that you can find some meta for almost anything? That doesn't excuse it, Gand...

[Shadow Dancer]

Simple: Use your alleged super on some one, claim the target, be lynched for being lying scum. You can try to lurk this out, but it won't work.

[Shadow Dancer]

AV, just to avoid any misunderstandings: Have you use your super already?

[Shadow Dancer]

We really don’t care since it is likely WIFOM bait (1) – AV

Lol <3

It looks like ooba is confirmed town. Moving on;

Lynch 1: Iecrint

Lynch 2: Iecrint

Amidoinitrite?

Also, does AGar have 4x votes today? That's awesome >:D

Not that his bullshiting wuldn't be a dead giveaway anyway - but I have reliable information that I can 100% assure you that AV is lying like a bitch. Time to ignore him for the time being and proceed to lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

I got it, you're going to play kindergarden until we shut you up via lynch (can we please make this quick now?)

[Shadow Dancer]

I am not yet convinced that my vote is wasted on Dekes.
I need to ISO some more players (like Ooba and Chromos) bwfore I decide, though.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gand: I hope you come to a conclusion soon.

I agree with Magna's voting plan.

[Shadow Dancer]

A conclusion? On what?

A conclusion on all those adumbrations you make and so bullheadedly deny to explain.

[Shadow Dancer]

Since when am I confirmed town/non-SK to you?
Did some one else give you those infos?

[Shadow Dancer]

Are you seriously picking up Chess's bullshit, Alma? I am pretty sure random.org was pretty lazy when providing Charon with player alignments (or maybe all of us were lazy in filling our pre-game questionnaires) O_o. If there is any point to that argument then it is that you should overcome your most basic brain-malfunctions and not make idiotic and entirely unhelpful assumptions based on these.

On further news, you are providing to the SPAMFEST^TM a lot in that your signal-to-noise-ratio is like... infinity to 1. Seriously, point out one actual content post of yours.

[Shadow Dancer]

…what? The argument has nothing to do with random.org. Also, it's not "bullshit," it's legit. Also also, that was like 1% of my thought process.

Maybe you should not user the word "thought-process" that loosely. It implies, that you >>>

thought

<<< about something.

All of them.

Perky answer noted. Failscum becomes more likely...

[Shadow Dancer]

Is that Chronos vote of Chess really just a pile of OMGUS? Why am I not surprised?
Chronos is not our lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

Ooba is not a good lynch, either. His promisse to do someting at L-1 today is enough for me to wait with an eventual Ooba-lynch until tomorrow, anyways. I doubt he will pull a gandalf.
However, L-1 means Auro being at 6. We need to keep this in mind.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Agar: Ca you assign both your vote separately?

@Gand: I demand a definite stance on when your holy scummyness is going to have the benevolence to disclose his sacred prophetic full claim on us. If not a lynch for pure information purposes becomes incredibly tempting.

AV never mentions Quadz or Axel in any of his posts and out of the players he calls scummy Dekes is the only one he explicitely excludes from the pool of aproved lynches. Any of these three seems like a good second lynch right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, it wasn't really OMGUS. Chronos was advocating an Alma lynch. But how is Chronos finding both Alma and Gand scummy a scummy move? Let's start with you telling me why they are not both scummy?

[Shadow Dancer]

You did not fullclaim. What about some flavour to start with. You claimed pretty scummy abilities and did pretty anti-town things so far. You should care enough to make your claims plausible, especially the part that you are townie. Role name and flavour can help to confirm you, but only if you reveal them.

[Shadow Dancer]

[...]I'll claim those tomorrow[...]

I'll take you up on this.

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, 1233 is another begging for rope again...

lynch2 Alma

This will also tell us about Iec's normal.

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh wait, we already knew that, because it says in the text that it's NOT SANITY CONFIRMED.

Not sanity confirmed does not equal confirmed insane. WHOOOSH.
It's definitely worth finding out.

[Shadow Dancer]

Better to let scum know your abilities than to let town mislynch you, eh?

[Shadow Dancer]

Hmmm. Not trivially confirmable.
Why would you protect the claimed hated townie?
If you use your super without claiming the target and we lynch you it still sounds like a nice tradeoff. Just don't use it on Magna this time, OK. Iec, Agar and I are much better choices.
And you cannot seriously suggest that you misunderstood Magna that much. No one ever attacked you based on the number of your posts but on the lack of any content in your posts.

[Shadow Dancer]

I suggest that AGar uses his double vote to hammer in what ever way seems apropriate ro ensure we get the lynches we want.

@AGM: Have you used your super, yet? If nor, please so so.

@Qua: How is Jesus a 3rd party result?

[Shadow Dancer]

And even if we assume that mafia gods are all from the same "foreign" mythology, "monotheism" is really just a bad joke, there's the trinity, archangels, angels, devil, demons and all kind of mythology around it. The conclusion that Jesus = 3rd party is far from stringent.

[Shadow Dancer]

He did not say that it

could

be interpreted as a 3rd party result but called it a 3rd party result most definitely.
I also would not lighthandedly discredit the possibility that we have more than one scum team, considering that we had three NKs last night, non of which has been explained so far.

[Shadow Dancer]

Ares vig makes a lot of sense and would be a direct adaption from Greek Mytholog mini, which is not unlikely.
So we've either got 2 scum factions or an SK or scum used some one shot extra kill (maybe super) or... or... or... But I would not deny any of those possibilities. (OK, I guess I don't really have a point here)

[Shadow Dancer]

Have you used your Super already, Alma. (Not only in case we lynch you but also because if you are telling the truth you are a likely NK and for tripple protection to work it should not matter when you use it, which means you should use it now).

[Shadow Dancer]

Great news: AGM's claim just became quite a lot more believable recently. I strongly advocate against an AGM-lynch today.

[Shadow Dancer]

I should reread Quad once again :\

[Shadow Dancer]

If you use your super without claiming the target

and we lynch you it still sounds like a nice tradeoff.

Have you used your Super already, Alma.

(Not only in case we lynch

you but also because if you are telling the truth you are a likely NK and for tripple protection to work it should not matter when you use it, which means you should use it now).

Great news: AGM's claim just became quite a lot more believable recently.

strongly advocate against an AGM-lynch today.

Explain.

Not yet. But I think I will explain at L-1 when also Ooba does his claim.

[Shadow Dancer]

Scum:

AurorusVox
quadz08
AGar
Shadow Dancer

So I am scum... And Agar is too, because obviously for me to be scum he'd need to be my partner... Are you serious?

[Shadow Dancer]

Thoughts on Quadz:
- His vote on me was a really lame waggon hop
- His push for justifying policy lynches was just bad
- I don't understand his AGM 3rd party advocating at all.

Other than that he doesn't seem overly scummy to me. Could some one with a more dedicated case please explain it or point me to a previous post ere it's laid out?

[Shadow Dancer]

@AGM: If you want to dorp a real WIFOM-nuke, you claim a (fake?) target for your super

I still ike a Dekes lynch.
Axel is coasting nonstop.
And mothrax seems a good candidate, too.

[Shadow Dancer]

lynch2 Dekes

[Shadow Dancer]

OK. I promisse to ISO mothrax and Dekes until tomorrow and give a case on those two.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gut.

[Shadow Dancer]

Hmm... Can we manage it somehow that Ooba and me and preferably also Agar and Charonmod are online at the same time to perform the whole lynch/claim procedure?

[Shadow Dancer]

I must say mothrax looks not just bad but abysmal.
All of her reads are either:
- entirely unexplained/unmotivated
- cheap waggon hops
- or seem forcefully constructed.
Then there are some qualifications that leave behind an odour of forcefully avoiding any inconsistencies.
And some entirely unhelpful off topic comments and setup speculations.

[Shadow Dancer]

EBWOP: Why did write "qualifications" there O_o It's meant to be "clarifications"

[Shadow Dancer]

@Quad: Yes, I see your point about the 3rd party result. But keep in mind that mythology includes more than just "real gods". Cerberus for example is not really a god. And Christian mythology, though formally only including one god, also includes lots of (arch) angels, demons and stuff. On top of that the christian god is some rather odd triple split personality. I'll love my head off if we have a scum team of father/son/holy spirit. AV's flip will certainly help us decide on the question of mafia's mythological link.

[Shadow Dancer]

I think AGM is quite likely to speak the truth. I cannot 100% confirm him as town, but he should not be today's lynch. If AV flips as holy spirit or somethings things would look quite different of course. But at this point in time I'd say he's likely town.

[Shadow Dancer]

Yes, Quadz should maybe claim.

I am willing to tactically drop my push on Dekes for now.

vote2 Mothrax

Last word for today if not something drastically unforeseen happens.

[Shadow Dancer]

Unvote

(Just in case)

Lynch2: Mothrax

[Shadow Dancer]

I don't like the fact that Athena is a fake claim though!

And I'm wonderig when my GM role will be claimed

[Shadow Dancer]

JOAT is more fun then jailkeeper. WHat was your super? I can't remember.

[Shadow Dancer]

If it is required for us to move on Quad should claim.
But anyway I I cannot see at all how mothrax should not feel the rope immediately.

[Shadow Dancer]

My thoughts on Chess: He did his Jailkeeper CC attempt on D1, which seems rather dumb-townish to me. However, his resistance to claiming his night choice makes me consider it as a dumb scum gambit. If he still denies to claim his night targets on D3 he is pretty much fast food lynch fodder.

[Shadow Dancer]

Do you know what any of {Spring , ... , Winter} does?
Crumbs are pretty good. I need to look at the timing of those.
I would have suspected that hellfire was a super effect... I need to think about this.
Strange super. You should definitely not use it unless a lynch on you becomes really unavoidable.
Unless... Can you still use night actions as a treestump?

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, my bad.
So you basically claim useless random role that confirmably caused a town death for the gain of a double lynch...

Also hellfire is a strange flavour for a greek goddess... The greek underworld is the hades. "Hell" strongly suggests a christian reference.

Maybe you should just treestump yourself...

[Shadow Dancer]

He gave full flavour?

[Shadow Dancer]

I figured it would either be really good or

really bad,

If you thought it could be REALLY BAD, then why would you use it AT ALL? Especially when you had FOUR OTHER OPTIONS.

He already explained that, Alma.

[Shadow Dancer]

How did he explain it? He just said, "I'd want it done early in the game." That doesn't explain the fact that he could have just not used it at all. It also doesn't make sense that he would use hellfire FIRST when he didn't know what any of his other powers did. Why not test the waters before you jump in with something named fucking HELLFIRE?

As I said: He explained it. You just don't like his explanation. Me either. It certainly puts him into some confirmation trouble now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Do not use the tree stump power for the sake of mod confirming yourself. If you're town, we'd effectively use a townie either way.

Wrong. If it safes us a misslynch he needs to use it.

[Shadow Dancer]

So you basically claim useless random role that confirmably caused a town death...

When did this happen? Flavor indicates that no one died by a Hellfire.

Yeah, you're right. Persefone was only a speculation...

[Shadow Dancer]

@Katymine: Good thought. Spring and Summer have a more positive notion. Definitely worth trying out for confirmation purposes.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Quad: I am pretty sure that treestumps neither can be killed nor count towards the lynch theshold.

[Shadow Dancer]

He seasons, but I, Demeter, am Evergolden.[/b]

Premature much?

[Shadow Dancer]

that was retarded calling it now ooba is scum and wins easily

Could you maybe finally care and back that up?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Charon: Don't youconsider this whole "Here you've got four green buttons and one big fat red one and not the glimpse of an idea what any of them might do"-business a bit bastardy?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Chess: An inventor would be some one who hands out items to specific players.

Shockingly I agree with you on this. SD's insistence on pulling out targets is bad.

OKOK, I concede that you have a point.
Let's try another explanation: I've played with both Chess and Moth before and while Chess' performance here more or less matches up with what I've seen of him in rusty guillotine I remember town moth as being much more talkative about her reads.

I feel like Quad preemtively treestumping himself is a clear symptom of there beng already one clai too much. It's time to become serious. Moth is a great lynch. AV already has one vote. Time to become serious.

vote Moth

[Shadow Dancer]

It is not normal that you have no idea what your own ability does. Some randomness might happen (like a random inventor) but in a non-bastard game I would expect the mod to at least reveal which potential effects are there and not just soome random/flavour based names.

[Shadow Dancer]

Making cases is dumb it's just who can argue better
he's scum that's all there is too it

Ah... Understood. You prefer being ignored for making no case at all to being ignored for making a bad case. That definitely brings you into a position where you can call out "I told you so", but it's not at all helpful.

Yup. How will I have an easy win if I allow you to continue calling me scum?

O_o WIFOM levels rising...

[Shadow Dancer]

I’m getting the feeling this Day is stretching out longer than it should.
[...]
You know that you just place a real vote not a Lynch2 vote, right?

Yes. (But please stay coordinated in following me)
Is there any specific reason why you think Moth is not scum or not a good lynch?

[Shadow Dancer]

Last question goes also to Gand.

[Shadow Dancer]

OK. Fine. I already said that Axel is on my scum list and why. For the sake of a quick waggon:

Unvote. Lynch2: Axel

[Shadow Dancer]

Just to clarify. There remains a major

FoS

Moth.
I am just not sure how far we should drive this whole claim-and-rewaggon game. But it's probably just most awkward that we had the wrong waggons so far :\

[Shadow Dancer]

There is still a difference between mislynching twice, which costs us two days and allows for two scumkills or mislynching only once. However, this discussion is obsolete already.

[Shadow Dancer]

Get well soon, MJ

[Shadow Dancer]

I feel such a rising urge to lynch Alma again, I hope I won't spill il all over the place...

[Shadow Dancer]

Chess, I already explained...
i) ...why LC is not a scum read for me.
ii) ...why both Axel and moth are clearly better lynches than LC.

You on the other hand did...
a) ...neither explain why you thing LC should be lynched...
b) ...nor why you oppose a Moth or Axel lynch right now.

Since you are but an annoying squealer right now and obviously consider yourself too stupid to make a case, no one is going to follow you.

[Shadow Dancer]

*trooooooooooooooolllllllllllll*

Only that Iec is as confirmed town as is reasonably possible and you are not.

[Shadow Dancer]

You'd know that and some other things if you'd read the threat!

[Shadow Dancer]

Since your brain seems to have some major holes in it, here's a little chronology exclusively for you:
D1: Agar says I am conftown.
D2: I say Iec is conftown. Iec says AV is confscum. I say AV is confscum.
->Saying Iec is scum pretty much equals Iec/Agar/Shadow scum team theory. Is that what you have in mind? Go play with your VI friend Alma.

What will you do postgame if LC flips town, btw?

[Shadow Dancer]

Your scum reads are... mildly interesting..., Ooba... Do you really think we have 3/3 or 4+1 scum teams?