Oh man. Brings back memories, etc.
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VOTE: AGar
I'm playing Dynasty Warriors 7, so I'm a little distracted. ^^;-
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@ Catching up ~
I had in my head that SD seems scummy. Then I read Plum's post. UNVOTE: VOTE: SD
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SD claims Poseidon. I'm actually not really sure that this is a towntell depending upon who made the game. Poseidon, not Hades, is the "mean" God who hates the Greeks. He's on team-Troy during the Trojan war and everything. It's only the Disney version of Hercules that makes Hades into the bad guy.But it would have to be a fakeclaim, because Greek gods are confirmed town.
AGar's comment is good enough for me for now. UNVOTE:
Mothrax is town. Axelrod is town. Dekes is scummy. I don't get scumvibes from BabySpice, though I acknowledge what people said.
I had totally missed AGAR claiming CD on CMAR. Will ask him to clarify.I see. It is more like fence-sitting and wanting to get Cassandra points without defending a slot that looked so scummy at the time. I agree with MoI.
Someone will have to show me why diddin is scum. In the meantime, VOTE: Dekes-
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Chesskid is town, too.
I'm learnin about placentas now, but I'll look at gandalf's diddin posts tonight.-
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If Poseidon is the troubling sort of scum, we'll probably get water-flavored SK skills to go with it. I wouldn't support lynching him today.
That said, Poseidon being a non-town role would not surround me. In the original literature (if not the Disney movie), he's more anti-Greek than any of the other Gods IIRC. Certainly much more than Hades.
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When I played with BabySpice scum in Stars Aligned III, I thought she was the scummiest player in the universe. I do not get that impression this game, really, so I am not convinced that she is scum.
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OK.
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I have no experience with scumLC, but I usually get "well-meaning but somewhat ineffectual" from townLC. Upon iso, that feeling is somewhat weak this time.-
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Also, can we do:
Chronopie = Chrono
LordChronos = LC
Because I've actually thought for the past long time that CK wanted to pressure Chronopie. <_<-
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SD, given your play and the timing of the the Mod clarification, a reasonable person can infer that you are somewhat likely to be 3rd party and consequently a reasonable, if suboptimal, D1 lynch.-
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Unless Poseidon was given as a fakeclaim or there are teamed 3rd parties, I cannot be SD's buddy, and neither can anyone else.
Also, that post doesn't really support foregoing his lynch long-term.
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I mean -- why not join the LC wagon, given your complaints (?) about only VI-type D1 wagons being available?-
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I remembered that post, though not who had made it. I would not have assumed that you meant "always" quite as literally as you now indicate, though.-
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SD wants desperately to be lynched in spite of his Poseidon claim. <_<-
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I'm just making an objective assessment of your behavior. ^^-
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I didn't push her, really, but I thought she was scum back then. I think my replace-in posts will reflect it IIRC. The relevant part is that there is a difference in my impression (i.e. whether I pushed my scum reads as a town player in the past seems pretty irrelevant to me, at least).MoI wrote:Iecerint’s 382 – so you don’t approve of either Top current wagon (Baby or diddin)?. I’ll go back and look at SA3 to see if you actually pushed BabySpice.
I have become ambivalent about diddin.
I didn't like any of the existing wagons, so CK's pressure request looked good to me. The meta information was just a bonus.MoI wrote:Iecerint’s 387 is pretty scummy. You are using incomplete meta to vote a player? On the heels of Chesskid’s call? Possible distancing noted if LC is scum (which I don't buy)-
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It's more like "I have certain feelings about players. Here are the results of personal introspection into the reasons for those feelings."
I am not ready to lynch LC or call him scum, no. I don't think I have done that anywhere. Correct me if I am mistaken.
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Not that BS's not somewhat scummy; just that I didn't get the same scummy sirens I got when I read through SA3. I don't know townBS, but it seems like a different person. Same kind of thing as my reasoning to support a wagon on LC.-
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I suppose. That's not how the logic plays out, though. The logic is:
A) I know X as Y role.
B) X currently differs from X-as-Y.
C) Therefore, X must be (X-as-Y)'.
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It's irrelevant if quadz really does apply the rule consistently, though.-
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The number of possible SK slots are smaller than the number of mafia slots. The chance of correctly identifying an SK is very small.-
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Especially when you're not even sure it exists.
I just reread diddin in iso, and I have a townier read on him now.-
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Although --
diddin, is there a reason you identified several people as scummy-by-way-of-dekes, but never really pressured dekes himself?-
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I dunno. I'm making an appeal to probability (minus the "musts," which would make it an actual fallacy). I would prefer to call it "power of logic," but you can pretend it's a fallacy if you want.
@ gandalf -- The situation you are presenting is mistaken not because of the math, but because it ignores the context of the decision. The context dictates that we should lynch, and should do so to a player likely to be scum.-
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I just read her in iso again.
I suppose there are few less tragic mislynches, and I can't say that I get a town read from her, but I still get a significantly different vibe than I did in SE3.
Could be because:
A) That was open, this is not.
B) Her role is different.
C) Time has passed.
D) Her avatar is different.
E) She is not mafia this time.
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1. I am a town fencesitter. You could prove this with science if you wanted to.
2. There is no backing off in that post. I am sticking to my earlier opinion that the BS's are different.
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You have a bad memory. I never claimed that BS was playing scummy based on meta. I claimed that BSkum was VERY scummy in SA3, but this BS is not as scummy as that BS was.
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Wasn't he planning to go Murderer in SA3? I remember him having funny insanities when he was lynched.
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I think BS looks pretty good unless the fakeclaims in this game come in the form of "full" PM fakeclaims. That, or BS is a clever enough scum that I'd be willing to let her live a few days on principle.
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It looks like the rules imply no.Rules wrote:II) All groups with Quicktopics (QTs) will be able to converse during the NP.-
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Your word is my command.
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@ LC -- It's the little details like mentioning the rainbow color that make me think it's real.
Now, like I said in that post, it could be that scum get little mini-PMs with their fakeclaims all nicely formatted. If that were the case, the rainbow detail would not impress me. Andy/Faraday/Deathnote mod meta might be relevant. I don't recall how scum fakeclaims worked in GM1, for example.
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I actually don't think quadz is scum because of the post where he calls you an un-VI.
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Yeah, I thought she was failclaiming at first because Iris appears in the Aeneid as a Roman goddess, BUT I guess the Greeks called her that, too. <_<
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If Andy has a precedent of supplying fakeclaims with flavor, I am less impressed with BS's claim.
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I'm looking at my own PM, and it makes me want to have more information from BS.-
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I'm aware that that post looks weird. I noticed it before I submitted it BUT both lines are still true, so... <_<-
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This is wonderful.ooba wrote:I think the claim is genuine exactly for the reason that hider really doesn't fit the rainbow.
- If it's a mod given fakeclaim, then since they gave multicolored role name bit, I don't see why they would shaft a good fakeclaim by giving a role that doesn't fit
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AGar wrote:chesskid3 wrote:There is no visible double voter?
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What do you mean? What does this have to do with what happened to SD? If anything, it would appear to suggest that your PM was associated with the modpost.BS wrote:(Oh, my role PM had a correction sent to me, specifically adding that I was aligned with the greek pantheon. I assumed being a greed goddess that I was anyway and never questioned or noticed that the line was missing. Combine that with SD's reaction to Charon's message and SD is def not town.)-
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Understood.
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I would challenge you to provide an example of a recent game I played with you that did not have the following pattern:MoI wrote:Then my impression of the level of your Town play was in error.
Accurate, equivocal statement -> attak -> self-meta
And if you can give more than one example of me doing it as scum (I vaguely remember doing it ONCE as scum, so I'm saying more than once), that's bonus points for you.
I clearly did not say she was town in the first post. This is you misreading or making it up.MoI wrote:Original statement – Baby I don’t see as scum because she isn’t as scummy as she was in SAIII.
593 statement – I can’t say I get a Town read from her but I still get a different vibe than in SAIII.
In the original you were saying she was Town based on meta. Now you’ve shifted to say that your ‘vibe’ is different but you can’t read her as Town.
You are radically distorting that with your selective bolding. The clear point is that I like her claim unless it was handed to her by the mod, and I wouldn't feel bad about failing to lynch her in the remaining case.MoI wrote:Bolded the scum claim. Town wanting to let 'clever scum' live just because they are clever? I don't think so.
I never made this assumption. Hell, the fact that I mention it shows that I'm NOT making that assumption, but taking the possibility into account.MoI wrote:Also the assumption that the Mods didn’t provide fake-claims is hilarious. We’ve already discussed how both Andy and Dana have a history of providing fully formed fake-claims.
The question was about the quality of the fakeclaims. And I made that post BEFORE we talked about Andy and Dana. That post is what led to bringing that information into the thread.-
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You don't have to quote the flavor. You just have to paraphrase it.Baby Spice wrote:Lets see. Either I quote the PM for the flavourful mod kill, or don't
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I've just heard back from Andy that I am allowed to paraphrase my own flavor. This means that BS is allowed to paraphrase her flavor.
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I just read AV in iso and saw that he had mutterings for/about me:
AV wrote:You've barely mentioned Quadz before Chess tells you to vote him. You only ISO him AFTER the vote? You're not putting out any solid reads and then you just sheep on someone else?
Yes.
AV wrote:WHAAAA. Don't like this voting behaviour. And no new vote?
Nope. Wasn't ready to make one yet at the time.
AV wrote:Iec wrote:That, and Iris is a Greek goddess, so she's town given that she's Iris.
FFMFMFMFMF. Haven't multiple people already said fakeclaims are likely? Jeez.
I was one of the players who led the discussion in that direction, so I was obviously aware of fakeclaims being likely.
In fact, this should've been clear to anyone who was reading the very post you just quoted from. Let's look at my entire quote, OK?
Iec's REAL quote wrote:@ LC -- It's the little details like mentioning the rainbow color that make me think it's real.
Now, like I said in that post, it could be that scum get little mini-PMs with their fakeclaims all nicely formatted. If that were the case, the rainbow detail would not impress me. Andy/Faraday/Deathnote mod meta might be relevant. I don't recall how scum fakeclaims worked in GM1, for example.
That, and Iris is a Greek goddess, so she's town given that she's Iris.
So I basically spend MOST OF THE POST (!!!) talking about fakeclaims, and then you selectively quote that last sentence and pretend that I'm ignoring the possibility of fakeclaims? LOLWUT?
Yeah. This isn't even PRETENDING not to be a misrep, especially given the little rumbles of anti-Iec rhetoric elsewhere.
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Plum wrote:And refuses to claim flavor or ask the Mod what happens if you get Roleblocked evenafteryou claimed?
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Charon wrote:-|Attention|-
The fervor of the discussion roared as assorted Gods and Goddesses heckled over the day's occurances. In a rare moment of silence, an unseen speaker's voice reaches your ears...
" "Messenger makes a lot of sense for Iris. As opposed to rainbow-hider...
Baby, can you confirm yourself via your special power?"
One shot super power, yes."
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I wasn't "aware" (?) of the fakeclaims, as we hadn't talked about Andy's mod meta yet. I asked about Andy's mod meta literally in the sentences before the one you quoted, though, IIRC, so your insinuation that I was ignoring the possibility of fakeclaims was bogus.-
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VOTE: AV
Same as yesterday.
Don't miss the new lynch thresholds for today. The second wagon will be auto-lynched when the first one goes.-
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I'm assuming 2 scumteams with diddin as a vig/SK-planning-to-fakeclaim-vig kill.
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(It looks like there are 16 alive, so it would be 9 to lynch, but it's instead 7 to lynch.)-
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Glancing through your iso, I think the only other player I'd get excited about would be Chronopie.
Also, Alma, you haven't posted yet, but please nameclaim.-
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I'm trying to determine whether:
A) You're scum
B) You're 3rd party
C) Shenanigans
And I think a nameclaim is the most low-risk way to get information that will help me to determine as much.
Name only, please.
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