00s Band Mafia (Game Over!)

[gorilla]

VOTE: Regfan

He is always mafia. Sheep me. This is a serious vote. I am not kidding.

[gorilla]

also wtf slaxx this role sucks. they weren't even

good

in the 00s wtf are they doing in this game

[gorilla]

no way, nickelback is obvscum

[gorilla]

What if my band isn't from the 00s? Or what if I'm scum and can't think of a band name to fake claim as because I don't know enough about music? D:

Vote: Regfan

this guy gets it we need more people like him

[gorilla]

Since we're asking what if questions, "What if I stuck my pecker in a toaster? What would happen then?"

Seriously, the discussion seems stupid right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: C-Worl

sorry Regfan we'll have to get to lynching you later

[gorilla]

I think what's more significant here is the lack of a response to any of the arguments being made

yes offering to claim at L-4 in a 16 player game is strange but ignoring the arguments being made against you and not trying to defend is worse and reflects poorly on him

in fact i feel like giving him greater incentive to claim because of that

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nintendoaddict1

[gorilla]

but you never said you were going to answer them later, you just asked if they want you to claim

it looked like giving up for no reason to me

idgi

[gorilla]

I'm tried and feeling kind of like crap from labwork but i'll try to hit a few points before I pass out:

flavor speculation is dumb. my flavor role was formed in the 90s, but I guess the majority of their output was in the 00s even if it was shit? in 90s band mafia REM and Nirvana were town despite both having formed & released albums in th 80s (REM is even older than guns n roses, lol). slaxx doesn't provide fakeclaims in his games from what i read in 90s band mafia but that doesn't really matter because there are so many potential claims that scum can fake nameclaims at low risk.

so in summary, shut up about name claims. just scumhunt, champ.

would like to know why an early VT claim makes nintendoaddict town, outside of everything else he's posted. That wagon dissolved almost as quickly as it started and spurred this idiotic flavor speculation.

Regfan is writing me off as town way too easily and it makes me nervous

following the thread so far, I have way too many scum reads right now, which isn't normal for me. I need a re-read, but right now I don't mind leaving my vote where it is.

[gorilla]

Talapus vote is a good vote. post #135 is really bad, reads like overcautious scum, wastes a lot of time lecturing nintendoaddict instead of commenting on his alignment (only goes so far as to say his play is "odd"), keeps talking about waiting for people to post on day 1 when there's already been plenty of content generated. Now, he votes C-Worl on what's basically policy (scum looking to give an excuse to mislynch) and immediately backs down.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Talapus

C-Worl is obnoxious in the extreme but I'm reading him as a VI more than scum.

[gorilla]

I don't follow your reasoning on EPM at all

[gorilla]

I wasn't expecting or wanting you to answer for him

[gorilla]

No player yet in this game is Obv Town or Obv Scum and it's been addressed before yet here it is again. I just don't get it.

so caught

so very, very caught

[gorilla]

You're writing fluff posts, you're not scumhunting. You're being over-reactive and shifty. Your entire attitude is "It's day 1 it's too early to know anything" which seems to be a big part of why you're voting Gaoth. flavor speculation is dumb because it is not helpful: even though slaxx doesn't provide fakeclaims, there were enough artists working within the rock genre last decade for scum to have an incredibly large pool of fakeclaims to choose from. It is not a productive line of discussion. Calling people (obv) scum/town is good because it gets reactions and generates discussion by putting out reads. Sometimes it's a bit of hyperbole. Not here though, you're obvscum. Writing huge wallposts where you complain about how it's impossible for anyone to know right now is just trying to shut down discussion, which isn't helpful, and just makes you look like you're upset and confused as to how you were caught so soon.

[gorilla]

I just wrote up a big reply to Talapus and now I see that hammer has been dropped.

I was going to say tarsonis looks very bad for that vote, too. I hadn't followed Hiraki's reasoning initially but it's a good point, regardless of Talapus's flip I want to look at tarsonis tomorrow because that vote was flimsy.

[gorilla]

oh, whoops. miscounted. here it is

gonna break down Talapus's reply to me piecemeal, this is going to suck to read but I feel the need to organize my reply:

This isn't accurate at all, and the fact that you state it makes it seem you think it's right. First off if I were trying to shut down discussion, no posts would have been posted by me, that simple.

Yes, of course I think what I say is right. There are multiple ways to shut down discussion, trying to dismiss what everyone is one way of doing so.

Secondly I gave reasons for voting Gaoth, whether or not you agree with them certaily isn't my problem nor is "It's day 1 it's too early to know anything" my argument a "big part" of the reasoning behind my vote from him. In fact, it had nothing to do with it which had you read it, you'd know that. So nice try at misdirection on you're part.

I do more than disagree with them, I think they're founded on bad logic, even anti-town logic. You points in your vote on Gaoth don't point to scumminess, and you're accusing me of a mis-rep when I saw you post this:

With the whole PL and the potential scum buddies you draw conclusions that that when players defend eachother and then distance eachother on day one it's a good scum buddy tell. And honestly thats just BS in a game like this. I play very actively on another site and players do that all the time day one. Not because it means anything, but they are just used to giving eachother a hard time and messing around. Now should it continue and obvious distance is being put between then, then yes, big scum tell. But it's still day 1 and I think you're looking too hard at something not there.

How is that not trying to shut down discussion on the basis of it being "too early to know anything"?

As for being "caught" thats you're thoery and it's wrong, just like other things in the post above you said. See gorilla, this is me yet again discussing. Now if you'd care to go back and read why I voted Gaoth go ahead as obviously you missed or skimmed it in general. I still don't agree with this point of view with the obv town/scum but I do agree it gets people to discuss things. We'll just not see eye to eye on the values of using it and thats fine. But next time dude if you're going to be upset and try to call me out on something then at least get your facts staright.

I'm not upset at all, you're trying to paint me as getting emotional to try to discredit me. Let me summarize your reasons for voting Gaoth:

-He jumped to conclusions about the setup that weren't reasonable for a town player to make (where?)
-He was concerned about a player possibly being an alt (how is this a scumtell?)
-You think him accusing two players of distancing is looking too hard at something that isn't there (this is plausible, but not a scumtell. If he were forcing the case, I might agree, but as it is, no.)
-He speculated on the setup (again I don't see what's scum-motivated in this)
-He didn't give a good response because he was going V/LA (see, if he were just posting normally this might be reasonable but he doesn't have time to keep up with the thread so it makes sense)

This is weak tea. Doesn't add up to a good reason to vote a player at all.

[gorilla]

scumhunter is illiterate, my apologies

vote: TO

bad vote on talapus wagon + the dead guy thought she was scum + she lurked day 1 and FOSed people for not posting content

[gorilla]

The only reason I didn't go for "the easy wagon" there is because tarson softclaimed a PR, pretty sure I was this close to hopping after them in that game

tell me, what about this wagon is "easy" as opposed to being on a legitimately scummy player

do I have to link that one MD thread

[gorilla]

So....Pine, C-Worl or gorilla....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Vote: gorilla

. Your votes so far have been midwagon and opportunistic.

Really? Was vote number 2 on Talapus, hardly midwagon especially since I was one of the ones who pushed it the strongest. My other serious votes have been nintendo and tarsonis, both of whom have been legitimately scummy. tarsonis's C-Worl vote, that's actual opportunism right there because she's voting a player who's drawn fire for stupid/VI play and not for actual scumminess from what I see. defense agains Hiraki kill is just WIFOM (much as I hate that term that is what it is). Your vote was better off where it was.

[gorilla]

You just outed the fact that you're a power role. Good going.

[gorilla]

cool regfan has me as a scum read now I don't have to be so afraid of him

wait Regfan why does post #250 seem scummy to you now but yesterday it wasn't worth mentioning and you even sheeped me shortly afterwards

wait a second

why is nicodemus your strongest scum read? because he...disagrees with you about Pine's scum meta? You're actually worrying me here because normally I expect you to be basing your reads on logic and most of what you've been posting is fairly weak, and the nicodemus vote looks like picking on a random lurker.

why are you always mafia regfan

[gorilla]

gorilla thinks Regfan is mafia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xH0xorgUoI

regfan is always mafia. always.

[gorilla]

I'm just ribbing him because it was a dumb reply to a dumb post but Regfan's play does legit feel off to me and I know him well enough to think his play this game is closer to his scum play than his town play so I as channeling scumhunter a bit there

but in all seriousness, humor me, epm

you read his posts? what's your read on him? do you find yourself agreeing with his logic?

[gorilla]

he has 4 posts and hasn't posted on day 2

you're really stretching with that case

[gorilla]

No I actually agree with him about diddin. he hasn't done anything to warrant suspicion from me.

Regfan: thanks for explaining the Nicodemus vote. You were doing the thing again where you didn't make your reasons clear.

[gorilla]

magua you just got confrmed as town, also hi

[gorilla]

nintendo wagon d1 went parabollocks, hiraki, chess, pine, c-worl, gorilla

then he claims, c-worl, chess, pine, parabollocks unvote. I unvote a few pages later to vote talapus.

the first three say they believe the claim, parabollocks says he doesn't believe it but switches to pine.

going to re-read parabollocks then c-worl then pine then chesskid

[gorilla]

Hi jungle animal.

All trolling aside, I fos Regfan. He was quick to remind us that mafia get safe claims. Bus bus bus bus bus of nintendo right here.

wait, what? I thought slaxx didn't give fakeclaims.

[gorilla]

I'm catching up atm going to try to put my thoughts in a post

[gorilla]

regfan probably wouldn't hard-bus his scum power role teammates. This is a dumb wagon. Actually, I never got around to posting my thoughts earlier, but

VOTE: Scumhunter

case to come. he lost obvtown status as of yesterday.

[gorilla]

okay then explain day 2 and 3 plz

[gorilla]

weezer, vanilla town. main performance is fucking "beverly hills". I'm a VT.

still ike my scumhunter vote, the fact that he's repeatedly softclaimed a power role with gaoth now claiming doctor only makes me suspect him more. keeps pushing bad cases on players that are like 99% town

also, there's this:

diddin, nintentdo is pretty obv town from that claim. The fact you doubt that makes me suspect you.

and this:

Unvote, Vote: Scumhunter

Enough trolling and being stupid. Tell me who you think are town and scum. Tell me why nintendo's claim makes him town.

Get your vote off him. Trolling doesn't make him scummy. Sure I'd love to see him die a horrible death but not by lynch. That's a waste of precious resources.

[gorilla]

yes, i do believe you wanted to vote them only now you can just play it off as "ha ha i was just kidding"

and no, I don't think that constitutes a sliprevealing you as town, at all

[gorilla]

pine is literally mod-confirmed town, and a scum reviver in this setup makes no sense because it causes scum to need an extra mislynch to win. Try again.

[gorilla]

lmao

are you trying to intimidate me

no it's pretty simple: regfan, magua, diddin, pine are all town or near-confirmed town, gaoth is claimed doc, demon is claimed cop, which leaves chess, tarson, c-worl, and you. I think chess and tarson are town. sup.

[gorilla]

oops

[gorilla]

As far as the night kills go, I think mafia wasted a couple. Pine and Hiraki were both pretty meh kills. Unfortunately, Nintendo outed both PRs in essence, greatly reducing mafia's chance of winning. Tarson played well at the end, she did a good job town telling while simotaneously trying to throw dirt on the miller claim AND the innocent investigations. I thought that was pretty impressive.

pine kill was silly. I duped myself into thinking parabollocks had admitted he was a PR. found myself running into similar problems as my first scum game ages ago offsite, where in the end there was no one to mislynch and I couldn't be bothered to try as the game went on

also, vanilla reviver is a REALLY powerful role if you think about it

[gorilla]

should have shot scumhunter when we had the chance

[gorilla]

going to submit kanye west for the u-pick and hope I get self-aligned serial killer

my point with vanilla reviver is that not only is it 2 confirmed townies but we had to keep leaving Pine alive to shoot for power roles.vanilla revivers have basically no motivation to hold off on using their power for a long time, like a regular reviver might, hoping they get a chance to revive a power role.