Dynasty Warriors Mafia (Shu Victorious)

[Vi]

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Powering on...

AlmasterGM 43... Statistics detected. Slander alert.

Maxous 53... Fluff levels significant. Action desired.

Voting... Maxous

(L-10)

Gammagooey 57... Suggestion advisable.

System message... RayFrost is Town. Katsuki is advised to change her vote now.

System message... Total comprehension of game mechanic on elvis_knits' part not detected. Suspicion slightly raised.

Standing by. Awaiting idiot input regarding whether this is a real post restriction.

[Vi]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

Amrun

- 1 - Juls - (L-10)

DietyKabuto

- 1 - Amrun - (L-10)

elvis_knits

- 2 - Gammagooey, mykonian - (L-9)

Magister Ludi

- 4 - RayFrost, ToastyToast, Iecerint, Katsuki - (L-7)

Maxous

- 1 - Vi - (L-10)

mykonian

- 4 - elvis_knits, CSL, DietyKabuto, C-Worl - (L-7)

RayFrost

- 1 - Magister Ludi - (L-10)

ToastyToast

- 2 - AlmasterGM, RedCoyote - (L-9)

Vi

- 1 - GreyICE - (L-10)

Players not voting: Bastard Bros, InHimshallibe, Maxous

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Juls 83... Potential issue detected. ObvTown scum can take advantage of this. Potential... not negligible given that scum and bad Townies are weighted toward choosing scum for duelists.

Katsuki 84... is correct.
System... Juls is Town.

RayFrost 98... Acknowledging anticipated idiot input.

RayFrost 103... Affirmative. Style initially considered positive.

Magister Ludi wagon... founded. Continuing playerlist-unrelated banter saturation detected. Duelist/lynchee alpha determined.

Unvote: Maxous
Vote: Magister Ludi

(L-6)

Iecerint 113 et al... Heavy similarity in reads between unit and subject. Checking system to determine hidden spyware.

ToastyToast 120... Post strength minimal following AlmasterGM 115. Determination of subject as Duelist/lynchee beta not contested.

GreyICE existence levels lower than anticipated.

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[Vi]

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Requesting preprocessing of case on Amrun.

AlmasterGM 159... List presented meets ViBot standards for Today's termination at runtime.

GreyICE 161... Deflection to previous game detected on page 7. Alignment reconsideration query delayed indefinitely.

B4574rD Br05 168... Motivation unclear. Initiating query in regards to whether subject knows how to play Mafia.

C-Worl 169... ALERT "RED FLAG". Alleged scumpartnering registered as "unlikely". Vote noted to have landed on the

Townier

of the two considered suspects. Prediction: GreyICE as scum logically implies C-Worl as scum.

inHimshallibe 178

et al

... Artificiality detectors ringing off hook. Subject moved to Medium-High priority on extermination sequence.

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System... Issuing request for Gammagooey to initiate a duel with Magister Ludi.

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[Vi]

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I have no knowledge of the flavor of this game, and I am glazing over about it. Did Magister Ludi make a slip? If yes, I would not be surprised as his play this far seemed scummy already.

(...)

confirm vote: myko

Position of subject on favorable extermination list secured.

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C-Worl 193... Determination that GreyICE

will

not be lynched Today is false. However, olfactory sensors do not detect bullshit in this post. Withdrawing alert and retracting previous read.

CSL 171 and reactions... Denial of scumminess of CSL's posts withheld. Counterpoint... CSL and ReaperCharlie not posting outside expected parameters. Temporarily withholding read.

Amrun 196... Fluffposting evident.

GreyICE 203... Contrasting with C-Worl 193. Bullshit detected.

Maxous 209... Error 404: Vote not found.

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Query @elvis_knits. Differentiate mykonian as wrong versus mykonian as scum.

Gammagooey 194... Appraisal of Magister Ludi's scumminess outside realistic parameters. More thorough explanation sought.

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[Vi]

Amrun 196... Fluffposting evident.

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Correction... Post 196 is spreading suspicion for the sake of spreading suspicion with immaterial reason.

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 217... Early fixation on RayFrost's pregame banter met with heavy disapproval. Possibility posited that Magister Ludi expected ToastyToast as scum to speculate about multiple scum teams because Magister Ludi was engaging in the same activity.

Alternative option posed to vote another priority extermination target {inHimshallibe, GreyICE} but declining option.

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Awaiting activity from Juls.

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[Vi]

Awaiting activity from Juls.

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Clarification: Awaiting material content from Juls. Current post pings apathy center but nothing more.

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GreyICE 223... Labeled as a "front". Previous reads stand.

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B4574rD Br05 227... Lack of thematic knowledge triggering apathy routines. Complaints about existence of L-5 wagon "so early in the Day" initiating questions regarding your judgment.

Amrun 244... GreyICE read unfounded. Skimming Bloodbath in Camden with GreyICE isolated... Scum play determined to be weaker than Town play to the point of the level of play shown in this thread.

RayFrost 247 and 249... Excessive levels of :badposting: detected. Placing special hold on extermination priority change due to previous Town read.

Magister Ludi 254... Chance of subject post being made by scum not negligible, but not overwhelming. Vote on Iecerint intolerable...
Issuing judgment... ... ...Changing extermination protocol.

Unvote... Magister Ludi
Vote... GreyICE

(L-10)
Invitation to join wagon extended with fervor.

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ViBot memory banks have no knowledge of source flavor save the Role PM. Introduction of ViBot prepared prior to game entry.

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[Vi]

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GreyICE 273... Scumposting evident. "Weak" was in reference to posting style. Subject to be dispatched with all haste.

inHimshallibe 275... Dissonance plaguing consideration algorithm. Activity of inHimshallibe appears to consist entirely of catching slips.

GreyICE 277... Contradictory messages detected within single post.

RedCoyote 281... Entering code

yellow

. Buddying detected. Deferment of GreyICE-scum done too easily. Scumlist resembles lynchbait list.

elvis_knits 301 and 309... Word chosen to describe post is "abrupt". Boundary between mykonian crusade and Amrun crusade thin.

Amrun 303... Personal scumtell triggered. Announcement made to purge Amrun at earliest convenience.

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Querying Town read on AlmasterGM...
*Post 78
*Post 270: Point-out--

Regardless of whether your argumentation is laughable or not (hint: it is), you

[GreyICE]

still haven't done anything that doesn't revolve around me being scum.

*Opinions' alignment with ViBot's before ViBot posts

Processor unable to parse elvis_knits' theoryposts. Requesting external preprocessing if import arises.

C-Worl labeled "lynchbait". All prior attackers placed under watch.

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[Vi]

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GreyICE 277... discarded as misunderstanding.

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RedC: I don't deny that I'm off my game. I'm having a hard time engaging with this game for some reason

3) Lack of commitment - Actually not a bad accusation.
I don't have a lot of solid Town reads in this game, as my previous post suggests. (...) So my reads are for 10/13 people more or less guessing their motivations. The only thing I CAN do is keep trying to press people.

It doesn't help that I'm not dealing with this thread in anything close to real-time; distancing me from rapid repartee, giving me the chance to forget what I'm doing, and forcing me to make these silly wallposts. That's not something that can be helped right now though.

Excuses for inability to effectively hunt compared.

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This is fucking alignment neutral to the person who invented an entirely too-complex breadcrumb as miller.

Suspicion... forced.

Patience approaching breaking point.

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[Vi]

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All players capable of ranking. Initial output...

TIER I - Slated for immediate liquidation

-GreyICE
-Amrun
-RedCoyote

TIER II - Waiting for turn in TIER I

-elvis_knits
-inHimshallibe
-Magister Ludi

TIER III - Null leaning scummy; no present action necessary

-Maxous
-B4574rD Br05
-Drunken Unicorn Master
-Juls

TIER IV - Null leaning Town

-Iecerint
-ToastyToast
-DeityKabuto
-Katsuki
-AlmasterGM
-RayFrost

TIER V - Town

-C-Worl
-Gammagooey
-mykonian

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Amrun 315... No error found in previous assessment after subject input.

Amrun 319... Resemblance made more to deflection than comparison.

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Feel free to cut your patience loose at any time and start being readable. I can call you VI-Bot to help you along

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[Vi]

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RayFrost 335 regarding Amrun... Town read derived from effort understandable. Confidence in Amrun's competence overrides this factor.

AlmasterGM 336... ToastyToast 295 indicates Town. Playing back...

I hate this. You are using my friendship with Andrius to me look like scum. I assure you are playing styles are totally different. Also, never said I loved them (AGM and Vi, i'm still pissed about Cowboy). Go look for my scum-game and see if you think the same. Don't act like you have some insider-information because you know how Andrius plays--you don't.

Recollection invoked of ToastyToast being lynchalicious (Cowboy Bebop Remix). ToastyToast deemed a favorable lynch by scummy players.

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System... Avatar is now appropriate.

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[Vi]

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Amrun 342... Acting like you're trying to scumhunt and complaining about failing != not acting like you're trying to scumhunt and complaining about failing.

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Iecerint 346

et al

... Previously earned Town credit burned to -40% of original level. Lack of committal scumhunting evident. Comparison with Amrun made.

Amrun 348

et al

... Scenario manager dictates best case: incorrect; worst case: stalling while reads are fabricated.

RayFrost 356... Previously earned Town credit burned to 20% of original level. Restatement... C-Worl is not scum.

inHimshallibe 359

et al

... Defense of Amrun and RedCoyote heavily noted. Post stream appears "easy".

Magister Ludi 361... Setup speculation and scumhunting lack noted. Potential softclaim also noted. Comparison with Iecerint made.

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[Vi]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

Amrun

- 4 - DietyKabuto, elvis_knits, GreyICE, RedCoyote - (L-7)

DietyKabuto

- 1 - Amrun - (L-10)

Drunken Unicorn Master

- 2 - RayFrost, InHimshallibe - (L-9)

elvis_knits

- 2 - Gammagooey, mykonian - (L-9)

GreyICE

- 3 - Vi, Juls, C-Worl - (L-8)

Iecerint

- 1 - Magister Ludi - (L-10)

Magister Ludi

- 4 - ToastyToast, Iecerint, Katsuki, Drunken Unicorn Master - (L-7)

RayFrost

- 1 - Maxous - (L-10)

ToastyToast

- 1 - AlmasterGM - (L-10)

Players not voting: Bastard Bros

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RayFrost 334 and 335... Bullying easy targets observed. Town credit drained.

AlmasterGM 336... Playback for emphasis.

Why is

[Amrun]

my buddy, specifically

?

Suspiciously specific denial found. Ambiguous. Desire of scum flip prominent to discern number of antiTown parties.

Magister Ludi 365...

Tu quoque

sighted. Probability unknown regarding whether these are scumtells...?

RedCoyote 372...
*In re: "easy lynches" - Denied. ViBot memory banks have no knowledge of {B4574rD Br05, C-Worl, DeityKabuto}, yet this subset is not targeted for priority extermination. {Drunken Unicorn Master, DeityKabuto, Katsuki} do not have playerlist subsets interested in their extermination.
*In re: "we'll be going at it" - Laughable. Subject's kill method questioned to be "talking and explaining things to people like they're Town".
*In re: ToastyToast and "pure meta" - Denied. Subject's literacy rank substandard.

RedCoyote 373 regarding C-Worl... Denied until source of Town read eradicated.

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Unvote... GreyICE

Vote... Amrun

(L-6)

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[Vi]

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RayFrost 377... In regards to bullying:

C-worl / Ludi / Unicorn Madness = scum. I just can't decide on which one's more important. C-worl's scum for ridonculous accusations tied with completely insulting and terrible reasoning along with saying essentially nothing about the game aside from "lololol agm + greyice scumz0r"

You already know my ludi stuff. Suffice to say my reasoing on UM will reveal itself... in time.

Concern in regards to Maxous at minimum.

RedCoyote 378... Misinterpretation in regards to ToastyToast almost certainly intentional. Other points not considered rigorously contested.

inHimshallibe 379... Point not considered rigorously contested.

elvis_knits 393... DANGER. :badposting: levels off scale.

Maxous 406...
*In re: C-Worl - Town read on C-Worl not new. Little further processing of C-Worl posts has occurred since initiation of Town read.
*In re: AlmasterGM - Misunderstanding. Latter statement in reference to desire to know: contrast desire to see AlmasterGM confirmed as scum.

Maxous 407... Syllogism noted.
*Amrun expresses fear and worry that DeityKabuto's play has changed.
*Amrun expresses fear and worry over people angry that

her own

play has changed.

ToastyToast 409... Reads and reasonings detected as incorrect in many regards. ViBot incapable of crying, but command issued anyway.

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Katsuki 384... Say it.

Amrun 415... Town reads, etc.

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[Vi]

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DeityKabuto 421... Award given for "most generic reason for a read". Sarcastic congratulations given.

inHimshallibe 424... Discerning invisible text at end of post: "without changing my read on Vi".

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[Vi]

inHimshallibe 424... Discerning invisible text at end of post: "without changing my read on Vi".

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Clarification... Parsing change of read based on Katsuki 423.

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[Vi]

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System...

ViBot standby period scheduled for this Friday through Monday.

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[Vi]

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B4574rD Br05 430... Motivational contradiction detected. Subject considers Drunken Unicorn Master scum for bad play, votes target, and then orders target to play better. Query motivated - Drunken Unicorn Master: Scum, bad player, both?

ToastyToast 434... Explanations available upon request. Offer time- and requestee-sensitive.

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Confusion noted - Refer to wiki entry: VI.

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[Vi]

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ToastyToast 434... "Disagreement between hydra players" ranked "very low" on scumtell scale. CSL and ReaperCharlie not considered compatible for unified front. Experiential reference to Saint = Vi + Furcolow made.

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[Vi]

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Vi 439... Evidence suggests ToastyToast uninterested in clarification. Robots cannot be disappointed; attempt made anyway.

Juls 447...
*Re: "off your game" = scumtell - Affirmative. ViBot recollection unit describes using such an argument twice in two consecutive scumgames, plus recollections of others' scumgames.
*Re: reads - Correlation between read consistency in present game and reads in past games reasonably high.
*Re: Magister Ludi's softclaim(?) - Context noted. Speculation made on

scum

mechanics.

AlmasterGM 451... Request made to see Town tell.

Juls 452... ToastyToast deemed unworthy of previous clarification offer. Offer re-extended to Juls. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry. Come on down.

Iecerint 458... Magister Ludi deemed fan of flavor. Subsequent weakening of read implied? If true, Iecerint now contains

no

strong reads.

RedCoyote 461 and 462... Content:word count ratio approximately 0.

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[Vi]

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Sidebar conversation WITH: mykonian - Querying level of preference for RedCoyote death in near future. ViBot expresses disbelief in lack of outside desire for RedCoyote death.

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[Vi]

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System... Avatar identified as awesome (again).

Continuing...

Juls 468... Attempting to make facial expression signifying "well, that didn't work". Extending offer to clarify previous posts upon request.

mykonian 472... Objection! made. Amrun identified pregame as entirely competent; memory banks indicate Scummy nomination. Drunken Unicorn Master not identified as weak (alternatively identified as annoying).

Addendum. Chance of RedCoyote lynch Today slim. Preference set to duel RedCoyote at undetermined later time.

AlmasterGM 474... Error. GreyICE currently under radar.

elvis_knits 476... Duel mechanic not intriguing. Preference set to defer to others.

Maxous 477... In regards to Amrun:
*Vote made on DeityKabuto for "different" play (specifically: not "pedal-to-metal" VI play). Subject whining about votes made due to "different" play (specifically: not offering Town reads for undefined/estimated-as-bad reasons).
*Deliberately under radar.
*Not scumhunting - quick analysis of recent posts shows defense and weak offense vs. DeityKabuto.

inHimshallibe 479... Motivational analysis inconclusive. Requesting preprocessed conclusion.

ToastyToast 485...
*In regards to "suspecting everyone" - If applicable, probable cause of such a state proximal to "everyone's doing unnecessarily scummy things". Scumlist created to organize scumreads in order of extermination priority.
*In regards to "post restriction" - Lack of imagination detected.

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DeityKabuto 493... Adjective chosen for argument is "putrid". Implication assessed: all players who post reads on multiple players are distancing from scumpartners. ViBot spiel is {convenient, completely unrelated} addition. Illustration via modified playback:

As I stated earlier, this could be a way to

distance away from scumbuddies and

post reads on everybody

like a robot

even if they are scumbuddies or not.

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AlmasterGM 495... Error. Socratic response in regards to GreyICE does not answer original objection. Obstinance for sake of obstinance detected. Sarcastic gratitude issued.

Iecerint 503... Post reads as hollow. Expectation is that a Townie with a slip would crusade with it and/or not fail to provide outside reads regardless.

RedCoyote 506...
*Post makeup appears to be 70% whining.
*In regards to GreyICE - Contradiction. GreyICE not under radar && nobody running with {apparently scummy thing GreyICE said}.

RedCoyote 509... Error. DeityKabuto did not call RedCoyote scum. DeityKabuto 508 analyzed as {completely, meaninglessly} inconclusive in regards to RedCoyote.

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Preparing to stand by.

Permission to lock vote on Amrun during standby... granted. Proposition that Amrun has "given up" issued.
Post-duel vote tentatively set to Iecerint.
Re-evaluation of reads scheduled for end of standby period.

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RedCoyote 511... Last sentence identified as correct. Conditional registers as false. Playback with annotations:

Interesting, Red Coyote.

(alignment neutral)

I was getting sort of a town feeling from Amrun, even though he is playing bad, I commend him for actually trying. Either:

1) You are trying to put pressure on Amrun as a

[someone you think is]

scum.

(originally ambiguous; now presumes Town)

2) You do not tolerate bad play, and you define that as scummy.

(ambiguous, possibly presumes scum but more fits alignment neutral)

No effort detected to determine which is true.

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Amrun 512... Previous conclusion regarding "giving up" based on viewing many posts in Mafia Discussion relative to here.

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System... Seed of DeityKabuto suspicion planted.

System... Future course of action unsure. Re-evaluation not scheduled until after standby -> after Gammagooey duel. Preference currently set to Gammagooey -> Amrun given {elvis_knits, Amrun, Drunken Unicorn Master}. Game state necessitates death for further progress. Amrun deemed satisfactory casualty. Deja vu anomaly noted. Ill omen sighted? ViBot daytime lifespan predicted to be shorter than anticipated...? Likelihood low, however etc.

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Processing... Please hold. Possibility of postponing standby reasonable.

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System... Instantaneous vindication of previous post welcomed.

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[Vi]

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Amrun 517... Error. 14 people counted in original list. 2 added. 3 remaining to be added, not including Amrun.

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[Vi]

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Amrun 517... Error. 14 people counted in original list. 2 added. 3 remaining to be added, not including Amrun.

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Clarification... Missing subjects identified as {Gammagooey, C-Worl, B4574rD Br05}.

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[Vi]

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Reviewing candidates for extermination.

Subject Katsuki...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: Y
*Outstanding traits: Lurky, readless
*Impression: No concrete reason to consider Town. Number of people willing to lynch Katsuki somewhat high, causing mild Town read reaction. Only person who seems to understand ViBot restriction - mild Town read, mild blind spot.
*Read: Town lv. 0.5

Subject Iecerint...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: ~N
*Outstanding traits: Analytical(?)
*Impression: All proverbial eggs in Magister Ludi basket. Basket unraveled. Lack of reads evident, albeit overstated. Waffling on {Amrun, elvis_knits}.
*Read: Scum lv. 1?

Subject inHimshallibe...
*Experience: ~Y (doesn't act part)
*Lynchability: ~
*Outstanding traits: RICHARD NIXON; can make scummy moves with impunity
*Impression: Play weak; comprised of "gotcha"s. Significant proponent of Drunken Unicorn Master extermination. Significant nonproponent of Amrun extermination.
*Read: Scum lv. 1

Subject Gammagooey...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: N
*Outstanding traits: Whimsical
*Impression: Play completely unlike expectation. Lurking perhaps explained by wanting objective opinion for impending duel.
*Read: N/A

Subject Juls...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: ~N
*Outstanding traits: Play is more or less like what is seen here
*Impression: No concrete reason to call Town. No concrete reason to call scum. Play not objectionable; however conformity to meta suggests Town. Personal Towntell detected.
*Read: Town lv. 2

Subject AlmasterGM...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: ~N
*Outstanding traits: Prefers scum? Not CAPS LAWK but similar.
*Impression: Play sufficiently resembles expectation. Reversal on GreyICE questionable.
*Read: Apathetic. Will become more relevant later.

Subject Magister Ludi...
*Experience: ?
*Lynchability: ~Y (evident)
*Outstanding traits: ?
*Impression: Bad vote early(?). "Slip" etc. Suggested existence of scum mechanic to balance duel based on other alt. mechanic games; out of place. Token Amrun defense.
*Read: Scum lv. 0.5.

Subject Drunken Unicorn Master...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: Y
*Outstanding traits: Notorious for badposts and trolling respectively.
*Impression: inHim noted CSL's "emotion" in CSL #2; however given that it's CSL it's not unexpected. With no knowledge of ReaperCharlie's ingame meta, no outstanding complaints. Targeted by a conspicuous number of people regardless.
*Read: Apathetic; probably Town.

Subject mykonian...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: ~Y
*Outstanding traits: Easy target for vagueposts; infrequent posts
*Impression: Play is completely unlike existing meta for excellent reason. No further consideration given.
*Read: Town lv. 2.5

Subject B4574rD Br05...
*Experience: ~N
*Lynchability: Y, probably
*Outstanding traits: ?
*Impression: Read dependent on experience. Newb: probTown. Experienced: Fluffyscum.
*Read: Town lv. 1; subject to change

Subject Maxous...
*Experience: ~Y, evidently
*Lynchability: ?
*Outstanding traits: ?
*Impression: Posts indicate competence. Alignment unable to be parsed.
*Read: Null; apathetic

Subject ToastyToast...
*Experience: ~N
*Lynchability: Y
*Outstanding traits: Tries hard
*Impression: Posts, theories deemed "bad". Previously mentioned commentary (ToastyToast #11) probably not fake.
*Read: Town lv. 1

Subject DeityKabuto...
*Experience: ~N?
*Lynchability: Y, evidently
*Outstanding traits: History of being full-on VI
*Impression: Uselessness of posts belie projection of competence. Reversal of read on Amrun noted; vote has not moved and no other suspects given.
*Read: Scum lv. 0.5; not someone desired lategame anyway.

Subject GreyICE...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: N
*Outstanding traits: Not Screaming Death but close to boundary; reminiscent of a very rude 2008 Vi
*Impression: Entrance to game very weak. Involvement in game particularly unlike previous game within which GreyICE was Town.
*Read: Scum lv. 1

Subject RayFrost...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: ~
*Outstanding traits: Analytical. Lurky. Generally reads opposite of alignment?
*Impression: Early play Townish. Town read questioning prob. not indicative of alignment. Attempts to scumhunt previously described as lazy; reread confirms this.
*Read: Scum lv. 0.5; surprise not predicted if wrong here and RayFrost is just bad at scumhunting

Subject C-worl...
*Experience: ~
*Lynchability: ~Y
*Outstanding traits: Previously blamed for ruining entire games for Town
*Impression: Previous Town read upheld. Other posts not great but not overtly bad. Mass suspicion suggests slight Town read.
*Read: Town lv. 0.5ish

Subject Amrun...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: ?
*Outstanding traits: Evidently quite competent
*Impression: Posts primarily defensive, hypocritical, attacking DeityKabuto. Effort (and AtE) noted, however.
*Read: Scum lv. 1

Subject RedCoyote...
*Experience: Y
*Lynchability: N
*Outstanding traits: Unfortunately, smarmy regardless of alignment
*Impression: Posts are primarily fluff. Attempts to be reasonable sporadic but do exist. Knows how to avoid getting lynched.
*Read: Scum lv. 1; highly recommended to remove - dangerous as scum, not so as Town

Subject elvis_knits...
*Experience: ~Y
*Lynchability: ~
*Outstanding traits: Likes killing people
*Impression: Reads described as "abrupt". Beyond theory, not much of worth to point out. Desire to lose duel to Gammagooey perplexing from any point of view.
*Read: Scum lv. 0.5

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System... All Town reads ineligible for extermination Today. All scum reads eligible. Request made to "just kill someone already".

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Standing by.

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[Vi]

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*Outstanding traits: Analytical.

Lurky.

Generally reads opposite of alignment?

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[Vi]

On another computer, on vacation, and too tired/annoyed with most of you to bother with the robot spiel ATM.

AlmasterGM - Unless my memory is GREATLY mistaken you asked if I wanted GreyICE lynched

Today

. Not Tomorrow. After checking, why look! I'm right. If you're going to provoke me, at least do me a favor and get your own facts straight.
I don't think GreyICE is the best lynch Today simply because there are other people I'm more interested in lynching. However, as mentioned before I doubt GreyICE will be lynched regardless of his alignment. Frustration ensues, because I believe his play indicates scum.

GreyICE - At least I

have

reads I'm willing to share. While I will freely acknowledge that I'm not some omniscient Mafia deity I would also suggest that the underlying cause of most of my scumreads are the fault of the people in question being scummy.

inHimshallibe - Your play in OR&C except for that it was respectable but absent at times. I remember in MoCO you were opportunistic and took whatever potshots you could because you were never called on it. Like 536, which as mentioned above isn't factually correct and seems to serve no purpose except to needle me.

Gammagooey - Probably. About twenty minutes into my road trip I decided to follow my intuition (a rare day) and let Amrun go. I'll even release Iecerint in a two-for-the-price-of-one deal for the reread he's doing in the posts directly above this one, even though that's not entirely rational either.

Somewhere along the four minutes I spent reading up I missed exactly why ToastyToast is getting ganged up on aside from the usual. I think the charges against him are being trumped up and don't expect a scum flip at all, but not enough of value would be lost if he died so... whatever. I'm on vacation and will continue to be on vacation at Gammagooey's deadline, people are acting like/being mental invalids, if and when he flips Town I will question the appropriate parties' alignment and {call for their immediate execution, insult their intelligence} accordingly.

Along those lines, I've been trying hard not to personally insult DeityKabuto for the last few posts. I'm done with that. The phrase I would use to describe to DeityKabuto's aptitude for finding scum ends with "wet paper bag", and the thought that he's guaranteed to be alive in LyLo is actually rather disturbing.

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inHim 539 is BS. Of my scum reads, he's now at the top. Kill him.

RedCoyote 577 is a major wagon jump. "Solid argument" from Amrun (the "scum getting caught for wrong reasons temper tantrum")? Please. Kill him.

DeityKabuto is still alive. Kill him.

We'll go from there.

[Vi]

Vi, Do you think DK is scum?

Inasmuch as I can read his posts, yes. Or at least enough to where I would recommend his death whenever a convenient opportunity arises.

Also, why purposefully fake a post restriction? I always thought it was fake but that didn't bother me too much. I stilk want to know, though.

Question of the day, is it not?
1) I wanted to do it before the game started. Why not? It's fun (for me), the high points of what I want to say should be quite clear, and it gives me a chance to troll weak-minded people who use it as a flashpoint issue.
2) hitogoroshi touched on it after the fact with his recent MD thread, but I wanted to experiment with being less transparent for a change.

Let's elaborate on that second point by looking at my last two games.
**Cowboy Bebop Remix: Scum. Lynched embarrassingly.
*Neruzian Era Mafia: Scum. Lynched embarrassingly.
One would think that if I drew scum in this game, even if I wanted to do the post restriction pregame, I would have stopped as soon as it started putting me at the top of scumlists. If I have a hard time being scum normally, maintaining a fake post restriction (especially after being reminded of Cow in ASoS) would be fairly suicidal. Granted that's WIFOM and I've stopped temporarily now, but if my previous post was not EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT TOWN (the kind of thing I'm trying

not

to do) you are in denial; probably induced by holding a scum Role PM, being incompetent at Mafia, or just being a jerkwad in general.

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Toasto, you've lost sight of why Gammagooey is dueling in the first place.

[Vi]

Toasto, you've lost sight of why Gammagooey is dueling in the first place.

I get it, but odds are he has some other power that he'll achieve after a duel, and I don't consider him townie enough to grant him that, as you all seem to.

The claim he made is not likely to come from scum. Regardless, he's going to get held so accountable for the duel

because

of his claim.

Why does inHim have no votes.

Unvote: Amrun
Vote: inHimshallibe

(L-10)

Cut: Magister Ludi is not incorrect that the Toastwagon has ~Town reads on it mostly. I don't think your death or claim is necessary, but if six other people of good repute think otherwise, if it's actually going to help them so be it. Much to my chagrin, the odds don't seem that great that anyone's going to do a favor for my reads, so etc.

[Vi]

six other people of good repute think otherwise

^^^^Statement made without actually counting people on the vote count. Not an implication that the six people on the wagon are of good repute.

[Vi]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

Amrun

- 2 - elvis_knits, GreyICE - (L-9)

Drunken Unicorn Master

- 4 - InHimshallibe, Maxous, ToastyToast, Bastard Bros - (L-7)

GreyICE

- 1 - C-Worl - (L-10)

Iecerint

- 1 - RayFrost - (L-10)

InHimshallibe

- 1 - Vi - (L-10)

Katsuki

- 2 - Juls, DietyKabuto - (L-9)

Magister Ludi

- 1 - Iecerint - (L-10)

ToastyToast

- 7 - Katsuki, Gammagooey, AlmasterGM, RedCoyote, Amrun, Drunken Unicorn Master, Magister Ludi - (L-4)

Players not voting: mykonian

Go ahead and name names with those "people who voiced a strong suspicion in you". As for the people you DID mention, somewhere along the lines you seem to have forgotten about that giant megapost with all my reads as well as my change of opinion on Amrun. (Hint: Three of the four are Town reads for me, and one of your Town reads is one of my top suspects and the major reason I added the clarification in 596.)

I apologize for being spiteful and I'm going to (try to) stop posting now, but suffice to say I've deleted quite a few of my initial reactions tonight.

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Magister Ludi - You missed RedCoyote. That's a big miss if you're trying to say everyone on the Toasty wagon is Town.

[Vi]

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Amrun 602... Experience determination made from prior knowledge of subjects and/or context.

AlmasterGM 615... Difference noted. AlmasterGM appears to have reason for calling GreyICE Town - differentiated from calling GreyICE "not scummiest".

RedCoyote 631... Taunting detected - not against scum, but against people RedCoyote calls Town reads. Petitioning in name of love for

[insert preferred deity here]

for authorization of extermination of RedCoyote.

GreyICE 632...
*In regards to "a much bigger problem": Statements made not indicative of "a much bigger problem". ViBot contains no knowledge of source flavor. Answer to directed question (probably) most easily answered by observing scum flip. Posited explanation of "1+1" fair enough.
*In regards to AlmasterGM: Plausibility of claim of Town alignment low. IF [rest of claim accurate], THEN [advisory to enjoi crosskilling each other].

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System... Checking deadline... Deadline established as Thursday. Remaining time plentiful...

System... Discarding previous protocol. Target acquired, finalized. Stars aligned. Ducks aligned. Initializing ViBot duel variant.

Murakumo unit activated.
Initiating termination protocol.

Cut Through: RedCoyote

.

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System... Message preceded by new post. Reassuring subject that its death is impending.

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[Vi]

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Juls 645...
*Re: Reads - Thought process reconstruction is as follows.
**You make comment regarding ViBot's reads. (specifically: "all over the place")
**Response to comment comes with subject "reads".
*Re: Amrun, lynchability flag - "Lynchability" manual: "tendency for a player to be lynched in general circumstances without regard to alignment".

SpyreX 650 and fallout... True nature of RedCoyote's alignment deemed presently irrelevant. Flip colored red, which is {not Town color, traditionally a scum color}. Nature of RedCoyote's play suggests overall anti-Town influence if neutral to begin with. Further information on the red faction held by living players should be divulged if appropriate. Questioning Amrun's motive in attempting to discredit kill of (at the very least) non-Town player.
Alternative approach...

Query @mod: Elucidate whether RedCoyote was {pro-Town, anti-Town, comical third option}.

ToastyToast 665... Utter lack of surprise expressed at comparison with hasdgfas circa A Storm of Swords. Advisory issued to do world a favor and read Katsuki's previous post on subject comparing ViBot with hasdgfasilent.

B4574rD Br05 708... Fluffpost detected. Character of post determined to be more likely to be made by scum taking whichever opportunity is available to avoid posting content.

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System... Analysis of RedCoyote interactions to be made when standby period elapses.

System... Town read on ToastyToast expected to be precisely correct.

Vote... Gammagooey

(W-1)

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[Vi]

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ToastyToast 718... Thought process not implausible. Flaws detected regardless.
*Inactivity (i.e. pro-scum behavior) desirable if scum. Additionally...
**Post restriction inconspicuity near zero, particularly after A Storm of Swords.
*Daykilling scumpartner not optimal under most circumstances. In present case,
**enumeration of people with Town reads on RedCoyote high; intelligent decision in hypothetical position of scumpartner: keep him alive, use daykill on convenient Townie,

avoid parallels with A Storm of Swords

.

Above statements are WIFOM class beta. ViBot reports. You decide.

System... Extermination of subject ToastyToast inevitable. Above content retained for posterity.

SpyreX 720... Lambda-11's expression fixed as blank glare. Directing facial attention toward subject.

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[Vi]

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Vote... inHimshallibe

(L-9)
Extermination requested to be performed with pyrokinetic utility.

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[Vi]

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Amrun 738... Playback.

Wheeee, Vi gets townpoints forever

Wait... "Not truly an enemy."

Does that mean not scum / third party?

If so, retract previous post entirely.

She needs to explai her power and more importantly why she sed it.

Judgment of situation indicates ViBot "discredited" heavily. Contradiction with "it was a good kill" obvious.

RayFrost 740... Analysis indicates artificiality in reads. Town reads almost entirely "easy". Buddying to Vi noted and compared to RayFrost-scum's admission to tendency to do so. "Slight Town reads" utterly dubious. Null reads comprise almost 50% of living population. Drunken Unicorn Master not likely scum.

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System... No preference indicated for duel, on condition that scum die.
Vi vs. anyone not preferred.
Juls vs. Iecerint not approved.
AlmasterGM vs. anyone not approved.
Iecerint vs. inHimshallibe acceptable(?).
Gammagooey vs. elvis_knits... probably acceptable.

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[Vi]

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Iecerint 437... Unsure how to read post. Options include:
*"Vi is scummy because of some accusation against me earlier"
*"I don't trust the scum-killing dayvig's judgment for finding scum"
Choice of AlmasterGM in light of either of these positively dubious.

RayFrost 749... Easy reads are not meant to be disagreed with. Buddying point comes from personal experience reaffirmed by subject's admission to doing so and (AFAIK) lack of evidence of doing so in games in which subject was Town. Artificiality of reads stems from everything mentioned afterward.

Gammagooey 750... Possibility open for THIRD playback only. Identification of DeityKabuto as "she" questionable.

Juls 754... AlmasterGM vs. GreyICE considered ideal duel, particularly with option for double death.

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[Vi]

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Juls 756... Denied. GreyICE in particular not identified as Town.

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 760... Post made too early. Post should have been delayed until AlmasterGM dueled GreyICE.

Juls 759... Denied. Basis of read to be provided.

Juls 761... Post is in contradiction with previously stated reads. Input read on {AlmasterGM, GreyICE} to be placed on record.

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[Vi]

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RayFrost 763... txtMafia presented. Thoughts regarding scum/unsure considered artificial because:
*scum is easy target and likely Town
*"not sure" is

everyone

not obviously/easily classifiable

Regarding AlmasterGM vs. GreyICE... IF RedCoyote flip indicates single scumgroup (plausible) THEN AlmasterGM and GreyICE not both scum. Alternative: AlmasterGM-Town, GreyICE-scum.

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[Vi]

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RayFrost 769... Halting attack. Standing by. Permission for subject to act freely set.

Iecerint 771... Data regarding subject meta low. Expectation of competence high following backup mod skim scan of Stars Aligned III.

Drunken Unicorn Master 774... Notice made that ViBot actually considered likely to be similar to hasdgfas. Notation that Gammagooey Town credit levels high for dueling Town; Vi Town credit levels low to nonexistent for dueling scum. Drunken Unicorn Master derisively renamed "Stealth 'R Us" in response.

Amrun 779... Answer forecast relates to earliest posts "the joke sounded funny in my head".

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[Vi]

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DeityKabuto 781... Causation input requested. (Translation: Why did you do it?)

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[Vi]

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DeityKabuto 783... Answers within expectation.

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[Vi]

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Juls 785... Endeavor to playkill people who are {antagonistic, ignorant} meaningless. (Addendum: Resistance to GreyICE extermination at 316 nearly impossible.) Rest of post content remarkable and warrants {answer, death}.

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[Vi]

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Amrun 792... Statement made in anticipation that ReaperCharlie's idea of "slip" was "joke" mentioned in Vi 780.

elvis_knits 793... Post overloading untrustworthiness scan. Requesting extermination of subject as soon as feasible.

Gammagooey 811... Acknowledgment made. Revising extermination priorities accordingly.

RayFrost 817... Objection! raised. Post by DeityKabuto called "Town" in spite of RayFrost not actually reading it.

mykonian 822... Insufficient certainty for simple Y/N answer. Very large red flag thrown by Maxous in previous 72 hours. Extermination of Maxous not disallowed, but not priority.

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Revised extermination ranking is as follows.

TIER I - TARGETED FOR IMMEDIATE EXTERMINATION

*GreyICE
*inHimshallibe
*elvis_knits
*B4574rD Br05
*Magister Ludi //(first to bring up two scumteams and speculate in-depth on it, softclaimed scum power as mentioned before in post 361)

TIER II

*RayFrost - *Maxous - *Iecerint //(Iecerint pushed Ludi heavily for slip)
*Amrun

TIER III

*DeityKabuto //(if DeityKabuto is some savant who has only been pretending to play dumb I will )
*Drunken Unicorn Master
*Katsuki
*C-Worl

TIER IV

*Juls
*Gammagooey
*mykonian
*AlmasterGM

System...

All

players in TIER I expected to flip scum.

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[Vi]

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SpyreX 896... Result not foreseen but acceptable. Comprehension of opposition to duel low.

System... Processing previous pages. Number of deaths overNight beneath expectation.

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[Vi]

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Playback.

TEEHEE TOLD YOU GUYS RC WAS SCUM.

Looks like Ludi was right with 2 scum groups. Of all people to made third party, I doubt it would be Gan Ning...

Who wants to claim Zhou Yu and Sun Quan

for us

??

Bolded portion of playback (most) suspect.

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Further input from Gammagooey detected. Advisory issued to duel player who is not obviously Town this time, particularly with previously flipped scum on wagon. Gratitude issued in advance.

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[Vi]

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Command issued to mykonian. Analysis of following log requested.

TEEHEE TOLD YOU GUYS RC WAS SCUM.

Looks like Ludi was right with 2 scum groups. Of all people to made third party, I doubt it would be Gan Ning...

Who wants to claim Zhou Yu and Sun Quan for us??

..
Because you're on the other mafia team?

Why would'nt Red Coyote simply be mafia?

I'm saying RC is mafia...

Eh but why

two

scum groups?

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[Vi]

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Command issued to mykonian. Analysis of following log requested.

TEEHEE TOLD YOU GUYS RC WAS SCUM.

Looks like Ludi was right with 2 scum groups. Of all people to made third party, I doubt it would be Gan Ning...

Who wants to claim Zhou Yu and Sun Quan for us??

..
Because you're on the other mafia team?

Why would'nt Red Coyote simply be mafia?

I'm saying RC is mafia...

Eh but why

two

scum groups?

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Addendum.

Do you know flavor?

Not to mention, I have my reasons for thinking two scum groups.

In flavor the principle conflict is between Wei and Shu. Wu is kind of peripheral and shifts their alliances throughout the war, though they're usually tentatively allied with Shu.

Analysis intended to focus on knowledge of existence of multiple scumgroups, and subsequent determinations of alignment.

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[Vi]

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Playback.

I don't trust agm. Don't know what makes people think he is town. I seem to be seen as towny. Great.

Duel Inhimshallibe

If you think this is rushing, say it now, or be forever silent

... The fuck?

Playback consists of extent of C-worl's promised content. Appearance is that C-worl has no problem being around to post cheap reactions OR excuses. Readjusting extermination priority accordingly.

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[Vi]

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Establishing potential connections to RedCoyote...

Why's AGM on the scumlist?

This is your first comment in forever, and it's one that would be easily explained if you were following the game. Pick it up, Grey.

Based on his play. His first bunch of posts were setup speculation, which was at least interesting, and beats general RVS, but didn't particularly add any reads to the thread.

He added to me to the scum list pretty clearly off Vi's #150. His 'scumhunting' consists of quoting something someone said and nodding vigorously.

I'll cut you some slack. I think you're backing your positions up, but it just took too damn long.

GreyICE affiliated with RedCoyote.

[Katsuki]

plays the exact same in every game I've played with her in, so I don't know what to think of her. I always read her as scum.

Unsure.

<some useless quote>

I'd ask Viware to process this comment for scumminess, but then I don't want Vi to explode.

Someone really doesn't like ML getting votes.

<some other useless quote>

Sounds like you're waiting to do a lot of things. How about you wait until post-game to explain yourself because I think I want you gone sooner rather than later.

B4574rD Br05 affiliated with RedCoyote?
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Neither GreyICE nor B4574rD Br05 identified as interacting with RedCoyote except to place him on lists.

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 925... Following statement made without knowledge of flavor. Archer as Doctor seemingly incomprehensible. Requesting information regarding whether real protective characters exist in flavor.

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[Vi]

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Playback.

THE FUCK

JULS FLIPPED TOWN?!

Evaporation of subject's Town credit in progress.

GreyICE 944... Label of RedCoyote as "third party" most probably wrong and most probably

deliberately

wrong.

SpyreX 945... Replacement not expected. No advance warning given. Forced replacement due to inactivity not expected given BaM game and last post made Saturday. Suspicion raised of casual replacement; most probable reason: drawing scum Role PM and associated inability to play well.

T-Bone 946 and fallout... Facts not straight. Fallout in right on issue.

T-Bone 950... Post read as weak bluff. Attempt seen to make declared strategy seem better than actuality.

RayFrost 962... Artificial phrase "chop chop" read. Desire to lynch subject increasing by ten times. Advisory to remove phrase from scumhunting vocabulary at earliest possibility.

Maxous 965... ERRORERRORERRRRERRRR. Accusation of "third party lyncher" made. Accusation both ludicrous and highly specific.

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[Vi]

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RayFrost 970... No.

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DeityKabuto 977... Bluff anticipated. Claim requested at earliest possible convenience.

Vote... No Winner

in advance.

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Activating Murakumo unit.
Initiating termination protocol.

Cut Through: GreyICE

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 994... Error. DeityKabuto indicated as better than play would suggest.

Gammagooey 998... Thought process.
*Two kills were (apparently) blocked
*Two kill-blocking powers have been claimed
*The Doctor claims to have failed
*The Roleblocker claims to have targeted the Doctor
*IF Doctor claim is true, THEN two missing kills had to be blocked some other way
*How much kill-stopping power is in this game?

Requesting preprocessed reasoning behind Town reads on elvis_knits.

DeityKabuto 1007 and following... Fascination emanates from watching attempts to label ViBot as scummy and Town simultaneously.

DeityKabuto 1015 and following... Lyncher claim found. Abilities what ViMod would give Third Party Lyncher. Anti-Town post tone noted. Rapid-fire OMGUS attacks identified. Lyncher target not given. Extermination priority through roof.

System addendum: Only two kills expected during Night.

DeityKabuto 1031... Claim is "Oops, I'm scum. But I swear I've been playing like Town!". Slow applause initiated.

C-worl 1026... Word used to describe coasting: "spectacular".

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System... T-Bone authorized as next duel target. Processing previous events further...

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[Vi]

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Querying DeityKabuto in regards to identity of lyncher target.

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[Vi]

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AlmasterGM 1049... Error. Nomination to be for Funniest Claim.

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System... Evidence shows that implication from subject DeityKabuto that Day will not end following duel is a lie. Reason for DeityKabuto not losing duel nonexistent.

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[Vi]

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Katsuki 1065... Post reads as insincere.

Magister Ludi 1066... Factual error detected. No verified information regarding multiple day-ending duelists exists.

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[Vi]

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System... Providing unofficial vote count.

elvis_knits - 2 - Drunken Unicorn Master, mykonian, Maxous, Gammagooey, Amrun, elvis_knits, mykonian, Iecerint, Magister Ludi - (L+1)
No Winner - 2 - Vi, AlmasterGM, C-worl - (L-5)
DeityKabuto - 1 - DeityKabuto (L-7)

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Repeating previous query @Gammagooey regarding rationale for elvis_knits-Town.

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[Vi]

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Magister Ludi 1070... Vi "duels" do not end Day. Maxous softclaim was of dueling ability of similar magnitude in re: Town power.

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 1072... Respectful disagreement brooked.

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[Vi]

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Katsuki 1074... Affirming previous post.

SpyreX 1076... Querying why elvis_knits is still alive. Query to be pursued after {duel, extermination of T-Bone}.

Magister Ludi 1079

et al

... Posts {1079, 1081, 1083, 1084, 1086} take on entirely new meaning if Magister Ludi is scum, particularly with T-Bone.

T-Bone 1081... Entire post deemed one giant contradiction.
*"Why should I duel?" followed by "Duel: Iecerint"
*Affirmation of Gammagooey as Serial Killer despite improbability given AlmasterGM's information AND dubious likelihood of GG blocking over killing(?).
*Choice of second worst target of stated scum reads {Ludi, C-worl, DUM, Iece, Gamma} to duel

System... Punishment necessary for immediate duel. Previous immediate duelist was scum; present one probably is as well. Benefits given to T-Bone for winning duel not pro-Town in subject's hands.

Iecerint 1085... Interest raised at abilities. Whimsical temptation to vote for no winner for sake of duelless Day. Superior alternative to let Iecerint lose and vengekill T-Bone.

Question remains as to whether Iecerint is death preference.

Correction. IF Iecerint loss does not end Day AND Iecerint loss does not imply Iecerint death, THEN previously outlined plan optimal. IF Iecerint has better ideas for who to vengekill, THEN ideas should be stated immediately.

Drunken Unicorn Master 1092 and Maxous 1101... Pattern recognition algorithm active. Likelihood of both of these statements coming from Town

low

unfortunately not as low as desired. Implicit denial that previously exterminated subjects were scummy detected; defense of this requested from {Maxous, Drunken Unicorn Master}. Rationale for claim by Drunken Unicorn Master questionable; claim no better than vanilla and came upon mere threat

by someone else

of extermination. Gammagooey not authorized to make binding orders to ViBot.

Magister Ludi 1094... Reads as a scum post.

Katsuki 1097... Reads as a scum post.

RayFrost 1098... Reads as a scum post.

Maxous 1100... Querying reason for saying first part of post.

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Playback.

C-Worl and DUM? Troublemakers and absolutely useless to the game. Flying under the radar. We've been killing the high profile players off who all turn out to be town. My conclusion? The contentless players are some of the actual scum. (not all of them obviously because

the rest of

us

have posted content

)

Choice of pronouns suspect; choice of making statement in parentheses at all suspect as well. Possibility exists for this NOT to be a slip; however, choice of people "flying under radar" limited (i.e. Iecerint by T-Bone's thoughts; also, Drunken Unicorn Master not lowest content poster in game but close). Description of players exterminated by Town also flawed, but request already made to {Maxous, Drunken Unicorn Master} to defend flawed statement.

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Querying existence of exactly one killing faction...? IF so, THEN approximately four members remain. Gap of five Town deaths thus exists before loss.

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System... "*jingle* A friendly reminder from your neighborhood friendly killing machine. IF YOU ARE TOWN, YOU MUST ACT TOWN. IF YOU ARE KILLED BY TOWN BY ANY MEANS IT'S PROBABLY YOUR OWN FAULT. Thank you in advance!~ *jingle*"

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[Vi]

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Maxous 1104... Implication not made that exterminations were made with Town consensus. Statement made was that exterminated players were scummy. Ideal dayvig play cited as killing scummy players who are not considered likely to be lynched.

Addendum. Outputting statement that claims are designed to look good. MOST claims, inclusive of false claims made by scum, will garner Town support.

Playback.

ALSO: please don't end the duel before people even check in here.

SCUM are prob hoping to end the day without town getting their choices in.

VOTE: Iec

Not sure if this is the right move, but it's the best bet I guess.

Querying if everyone in game is retarded or just scum.

Iecerint 1111... Impatience and frustration ensuing at addition to claim. Identification of vengekill as D) ability negates all previous plans by ViBot and others.

Addendum. Current duel

will

end Day upon conclusion. Discarding previous plan of holding fire until afterward.

Stealth 'R Us 1116 deemed beneath contempt. Notice made that last attempt at content was Day 1. Comparison with C-worl made.

Maxous 1126 and prior... Impression received that no one reads ViBot posts.

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System... Willingness to buy Iecerint as Town extended. Possibility of T-Bone as Town unfortunately not minimal but likelihood of aiding Town later IS minimal.

System... Code Puce declared. 6 out of 12 other players deemed "therapeutic exterminations". ("Therapeutic" made in reference both to ViBot and rest of Town.) Continuing to stand by while stress ball extermination process runs in background.

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[Vi]

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Output... Unofficial vote count is as follows.

T-Bone (W-4) ~ T-Bone, Drunken Unicorn Master, RayFrost
No Winner (W-4) ~ Magister Ludi, Maxous, Gammagooey
Iecerint (W-4) ~ Iecerint, Katsuki, Amrun

Not Voting: C-worl, Vi, mykonian, elvis_knits

IF T-Bone is groupscum THEN expectation that scumpartners' votes are spread out.
IF C-worl is not groupscum AND elvis_knits AND mykonian are not groupscum THEN analysis becomes easy. Previously stated condition not improbable.

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[Vi]

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elvis_knits 1130... Epithet made toward person who pushed for duel to end after request was made not to let duel end. After review of vote count accusation may have been premature, but

[etc.]

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elvis_knits 1131... Subject Iecerint outlined scenario where T-Bone could win duel (side effect: T-Bone does not die) AND have such an action considered pro-Town. IF T-Bone is groupscum THEN at least one scum would be stupid NOT to take bait by voting for No Winner or for T-Bone to win. Allowance made for one wild card voting Iecerint.

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Query directed @Maxous regarding whether subject has knowledge of ViBot's role.

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 1136... Latter option preferred. Extermination not presently sought for Iecerint.

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Maxous 1137... Playback.

Magister Ludi 1079 et al... Posts {1079, 1081, 1083, 1084, 1086} take on entirely new meaning if Magister Ludi is scum, particularly with T-Bone.

In re: ViBot's role - Suggestion made to come up with better answer before previously mentioned red flag re-enters conversation matrix.

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[Vi]

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Playback.

Juls I presume Vi does'nt have a duel ability. That would be a waste..

Recorded statement is

correct

. Querying source of information.

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System... Querying existence of suggestions for daily extermination AND/OR if plans exist to call ViBot anti-Town regardless of result again.

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[Vi]

Duel in progress

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System... One absent poster culled. Other absent poster identified as Katsuki.

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[Vi]

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System... Impetus to make decision in timely manner recognized...

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[Vi]

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System... C-worl recognized as "catching up" since last Sunday. Calculating posts on site since then... Posts total almost 100.

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System... Suggestion made from quote in ongoing game that Katsuki is sandbagging this game.

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System... Repetition that Drunken Unicorn Master has presented ~no content since last Sunday. Premature claim and mudslinging at ViBot for impending death (from both players in hydra) dubious.

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System... Analysis of sitewide RayFrost posts suggests selective V/LA in current thread.

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System... Repetition of previous statement regarding "therapeutic kills".

System... Game state deemed "Sudden Death". Extermination will be sudden and unannounced. Omission of claim from ex-person likely to result. Pre-emptively seeking retort... Error. dealwithit.gif not found on computer. General message forwarded regardless.

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[Vi]

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Katsuki 1153... Subject's play ITT worse than in other games, even factoring in exams (starting Friday).

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C-worl 1154... Even when C-worl is providing no content, C-worl is providing no content. Feat considered impressive. C-worl hovering around thread noted.

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[Vi]

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System... Survey of CSL and ReaperCharlie's posts suggests both are

heavily

active onsite (beyond discussion forums), yet cannot effectively maintain a presence in this game.

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[Vi]

...and...?

[Vi]

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System... Subject Gammagooey requested to get in here and be useful for a change.

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[Vi]

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Gammagooey 1160... Refer to post 1152.

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[Vi]

I'll apologize when I get an answer and/or some sleep. I just expect that if I leave for the night that duel's going to end without me.

[Vi]

Okay, I should apologize now but I didn't realize that for all those years when I was a V. Townie and said I wanted to vig half the player list that I would feel the

same way

as an actual vig.

[Vi]

The dueling system is fine; it's just plagued with people volunteering to get themselves needlessly killed. I know I'm interested in using it again and I know someone else is running a game like it too.

I've been rereading the game. DUM is certainly a viable candidate; I'm just looking at others.
I think Ludi will get lynched soon after T-Bone flips scum. (If T-Bone flips Town then I'm not sure.)
Amrun isn't a bad shot. I just wish I were positive about whether there are two scumteams or one large team and another neutral.
Iecerint is, if nothing else, completely off the table because that would mean T-Bone would win this duel by default.
As long as elvis_knits continues claiming to protect me I think I'm fine with turning a blind eye to her and continuing to blast the game apart. Especially if there are two killing teams in the game.
The this-game-only V/LA from RayFrost is frustrating in general.

@Amrun

: A while ago you used meta to take your vote off Ludi. Do you still stand by that?

---

...No. I can't bring myself to duel DUM. Ludi, I don't think his claim is fake - at least, not the abilities.

How's this. I don't do anything tonight, and people can talk about it. We have the better side of 24 hours left and I still haven't voted. Of course,

PLACING ANY VOTES TOWARD THE DUEL UNTIL THE DAYVIG TAKES PLACE WILL BE COUNTED AS A SCUMCLAIM.

Or should it get bigger?

PLACING ANY VOTES TOWARD THE DUEL UNTIL THE
DAYVIG TAKES PLACE WILL BE COUNTED AS A SCUMCLAIM.

Repeating because I know you're skimming.

PLACING ANY VOTES TOWARD THE DUEL UNTIL THE
DAYVIG TAKES PLACE WILL BE COUNTED AS A SCUMCLAIM.

[Vi]

"I think Ludi will get lynched soon after T-Bone flips scum."

Huh? This statement is weird. There is no logical connection behind this statement

You haven't been reading everyone else's posts, I see.

"...No. I can't bring myself to duel DUM. Ludi, I don't think his claim is fake - at least, not the abilities."

I'm not asking you to duel him, simply to look over his iso and potentially Vig him. His claim smells exactly how I invision a fake claim would look in this game, and it seems to fit nicely.

Quite the contrary. DUM hinted at it D1.

It's nice to see that my time spent waiting for Iecerint to post last night was wasted too. If he's scum after all this and T-Bone isn't I'm going to be fairly upset/vindictive.

The vote count analysis and subsequent scumlist in Magister Ludi's recent post is a load of crap that upholds the status quo with only vague justification.

I'm willing enough to have enough faith that RayFrost isn't a dirtbag to not call BS on 1171.

---

I'll shoot Amrun if you duel Magister Ludi Tomorrow, or vice versa.
Amrun is less likely to lose a duel IMO, so...

Murakumo unit activated... etc. etc.

Cut Through: Amrun

And Maxous/Drunken Unicorn Master can :dealwithit:.

[Vi]

It means there's only one nonTown faction left in the game. If I'm wrong on this (i.e. Lyncher and/or Survivor are not anti-Town), I really have to wonder what this game's balance is supposed to be. I would hope (ignoring the two Neutrals) that the balance of the game would be for four groupscum at most, not five as I supposed earlier.

Flavor question. Who would Lu Bu's Lyncher target be? If it's someone who would be Town, there's definitely not five groupscum at game start.

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Amrun: Another satisfied customer. Your play was bad and now we see why. Besides, I warned about sudden death and the inability to get a claim or defense. Vigs aren't meant to care about last-minute claims or defenses; that just upholds the Day's status quo and we're not "on a roll" enough to be able to maintain that status quo.

Drunken Unicorn Master, I'm afraid I already know the answer to this, but are you so illiterate that you haven't noticed my extreme reluctance to kill you? Or are you just trying to poor-pitiful-me out of getting killed as scum?

In addition, Amrun-neutral's reads are entirely reasonable to take at face value. I think she would be bitter, but not troll by giving bad reads.

---

We have seven hours to end the duel.

[Vi]

Iecerint 1195. There's no need to hammer.

[Vi]

I can't kill everyone at once at 2 in the morning <.<

T-Bone's flip is fairly surprising. We've flipped four nonTown but I'm getting the disturbing impression there are four nonTown left (3 vs. 3 vs. 12 with 2 outside) which I hope is wrong. Regardless, the existence of multiple scumgroups combined with Magister Ludi's prescient knowledge about the scumteams pretty much means there's no way I'm voting for him in this duel.

Vote: Gammagooey

(L-4)

In regards to Today's extermination and everything else... I'm discussing it now. Please hold. *catchy hold music*

[Vi]

After review, the very first thing I want is a claim from mykonian. If I don't get one and/or it's not good enough, I'll just ask SpyreX to tell us.

In fact let's look at how that duel went down.

Juls - "Thats B.S. myko and I almost want to vote you to lose on principle." - No Winner - killed Night 1
Magister Ludi - "I don't mind this. Would rather of had inhim vs Iece, though." - mykonian
Maxous - "BTW I do have a town read on mykonian but I have a stronger town read on inhim, so yeah." - inHimshallibe
DeityKabuto - "So far, Inhim looks scum to me." - mykonian
<LAUGH OUT LOUD> duel over.

If mykonian is scum, Maxous goes reasonably far up for the sketchy interactions in 822 and 843. Maxous is already in comfyscum position anyway.

Iecerint being scum is based on being on the coattails of catching Magister Ludi so early on (read it again; RayFrost was the one who pointed it out and Iecerint just tried to "follow along"), holding his vote there longer than most, and then dropping it for calling him confTown-by-PoE puts him high up there. In addition, consider Day 3 from T-Bone's point of view. I mentioned it before, but T-Bone chose for his duelist one of five people on his list who was second from the bottom in terms of looking scummy and/or being easy to win against. In addition, T-Bone didn't even try to win the duel. If the scumteams are somehow merged (see tinfoil hat below), that duel was an excellent means of making suicide painless. If not, the theory starts to crumble but it still doesn't answer how strange a choice of duelist that was.

C-worl isn't a bad choice for getting shot just for existing and not doing anything; her major problem is that there are so many people above her in the extermination queue.

Gammagooey, RayFrost, Katsuki, and Illiterate Unicorn Typist (I should probably stop this, as two out of their three reads are entirely legitimate) are at the moment not being considered. This should not be confused with "safe".

There are expected to be no more than three scum left after Magister Ludi dies (since he was already so kind as to tell us not only what scumteams are in the game but also who in flavor is on them), and in a tinfoil hat scenario (MoCO-like scumteams as suggested by Wu being tentatively allied with Shu AND only one kill per Night) only two, so etc.

---

Massclaim is starting to sound rather nice tbh. I don't immediately think Gammagooey is scum but I'd like to know where these Roleblocks have been going and what D) you claim you've already been empowered with.

[Vi]

There's nothing like getting accused to give you the idea that you should start looking like you're scumhunting, no?~

[Vi]

also <laugh out loud> at the accusations against mykonian being "vague"

[Vi]

I *WOULD* recommend us dueling someone, but if we do, and if we win, the scum will likely kill us. It might be worth a shot, though.

My initial thought is to say yes. However, there might be a reason for you not to. I'll elaborate later.

I can at least understand why RayFrost is being considered vigbait, but why C-worl? (specifically, over the three people I mentioned)

Also, I'm heavily surprised ReaperCharlie doesn't use Firefox or anything else that people call a "good" browser.

Cut by Ray of the Frost: I don't mean to sound harsh, but if by V/LA you mean no computer access, you're going to need to replace out. This game may be over within two weeks.

[Vi]

[Vi]

I was :?ing at both of you.
I'll take your word for it, but in the meantime, about these accusations being lobbed at you - are you planning on doing something about them?

[Vi]

Just a quick note: don't try to duel me or action on me. It's unhealthy.

In the sense of sudden death or something else?

[Vi]

That's actually good to know. Thank you and sleep well.

[Vi]

I know people were asking for my reads, and since no one is patient, here's some quick observations I've made of players that lead me to believe they are scum. Ludi, C-worl, DUM, Iece, Gamma. I'll duel one of them and maybe at least if you're gonna kill me off, might as well take one of those ACTUAL scum with me.

I think I documented my suspicion of Ludi. Spin it all you want, pushing for something as useless as my opening post, he was looking for an easy lynch. He still is. It's much easier to push a lynch on a player who doesn't have 38 pages of posts to defend himself with. Looking for easy lynch = scum.

C-Worl and DUM? Troublemakers and absolutely useless to the game. Flying under the radar. We've been killing the high profile players off who all turn out to be town. My conclusion? The contentless players are some of the actual scum. (not all of them obviously because the rest of us have posted content)

Iece is hiding behind his flavor knowledge and overall not contributing much but continued flavor speculation. How does that help us scum hunt?

And Gamma is hiding behind his role claim. Having the ability to have two duels in a day? That is NOT a pro-town power. How many scum have we successfully gotten rid of so far? One? And not by a duel? What about the town, how many have we offed in a duel. 3 so far? And a single lyncher? Gamma has done NOTHING to prove his town worth. He's got a townie killed and advocated for another townie death, and is now advocating for my own townie death, and no one has a problem with this?

(...)

So, like hell am I empowering Gamma, that's for sure. He will definitely come on with his scummy power and duel me first chance he gets. Yeah seriously, allowing two duels a day and you honestly think that's a town power? Sounds more like a Serial Killer to me. Unfortunately you sheep will definitely allow him to win again, despite the fact that he should lose the duel and you should get him out of here. Ludi? Not letting him take the opportunity to be empowered either, he should also lose the duel. As a matter of fact, anyone I duel should lose. Or at the very least vote no winner so that I can drag some scum down with me. I don't like either of their play, so I'm not gonna duel them and potentially empower them. So...gonna flip a three sided coin.

Duel: Iece

Vote T-Bone to win

Just a paragraph. Right. He was kind enough to list the five of them in the order that the Town would probably want to lynch them in.

Do you think I'm scum with Ludi?

Leaning yes, doesn't matter. You're sitting on the fence about this Ludi duel so hard it's funny.

[Vi]

He was probably scum with C-Worl and/or DUM.

I stopped reading here, largely because of the and/or. DUM and BB probably aren't scum together. After rereading C-worl I'm starting to warm up to the idea of her death.

So then I started again until I got to here.

Ludi is a relative longshot IMO

Also while reading I decided that I'm pretty sure Maxous and Magister Ludi are not scum together.

[Vi]

There's nothing like getting accused to give you the idea that you should start looking like you're scumhunting, no?~

Right..so now I'm only pretending to scumhunt - implying I was'nt earlier - when I raise a point against

you

But when I was accused of stuff earlier and then questioned

other people

- not a word about fakehunting was mentioned.

Let's put it like this. Go to your posts in isolation, and show me the last post you made that was like #53. Preferably one that is about more than people who are dead or dueling at the time. I'll wait.

I think DUM would've been easier to beat than me. He possibly could've beaten DUM altogether.

Not by crossing his arms and not posting.

What's the anti-connection for them?

Check out these four posts.
The Internet savvy would say "attack fail".

---

What's really awesome is that mykonian isn't in any other games, so he can lurk at will. Except for how he posted on Wednesday. And he really shouldn't get away with how he basically did what DeityKabuto (scum) and T-Bone (scum) did, particularly with that rigged duel.

[Vi]

This one I guess
Which was.. 3 days ago. We have had constant duels since then...
And my points about Katsuki and Rayfrost were points I brought up earlier on them.. but now I'm faking it because Reapher Charlie thinks I'm buddying?

You're the one talking about fake hunting. I'm talking about hunting when it's convenient for you.

Also, you didn't say anything about Katsuki before.

[Vi]

Oh well. It doesn't matter regardless. Katsuki is Town.

Next.

Actually while you're here you can answer a question for me.
I understand Iecerint wanting Magister Ludi to claim because he's doing a bad job of defending him, but why are

you

so interested in claims?

[Vi]

Vi. Your next kill will be mykonian.

Town's next duel victim will be Maxous, and I will duel him, and come out the victor.

So it has been written, so shall it come to pass.

<3

Pretty much all of the above.

Maxous, just go ahead and claim. I'm so sick of people dodging around claims at this point.

[Vi]

It will be beneficial when I win this duel that I have not claimed.

Great expectations...

As for Gamma being town, I had him/her as town until this poorly thought through duel was initiated,

Well okay.

In non-Ludi matters if myko doesn't post at all today he'll get BaM-modkilled.

I think BaM modkills only apply to full game Days.

I really don't think anyone except Vi has a chance of dying tonight,

You're not worried?

[Vi]

Are you done? You've basically outlined a nice tunnel and cemented your (unfortunately coveted) status as Douche to End All Douches.

I'll tell you this right now. I'm killing who I want to kill on my own timeline. If I ask for "Town consensus" it'll never get done.

Then why haven't you killed either of {Maxous, mykonian} yet?

Of course, asking for "Town consensus" is against your expectation anyway.

Vi, kill Gammagooey. Right now.

Also: MLudi and mykonian are not scum together.

This is relevant to my interests. How did you determine this?

Why isn't VI dead?

So this is a game called "Mafia" and there are things called "Doctors".
There was one in this game; she only just died last Night and claimed she protected me a lot.

---

I still don't really see where all the myk hate is coming from, you should explain it to me super slowly and carefully.

...you seriously didn't read any of what I said before? You're starting to legitimize the tide turning against you.

---

Maxous, anything to say?

[Vi]

Start here and read down to 948. Is this good enough of a reason to not lynch Magister Ludi?

I'll

Unvote: Gammagooey

in advance.

[Vi]

A Duel has been initiated. Duel ends: Saturday June 4th 11:00 PM PST

(Mod note: I am V/LA which for me means it might be a few hours before I can check)

Unofficial vote count.

Magister Ludi (L-4) ~ Magister Ludi, Drunken Unicorn Master
Gammagooey (L-5) ~ Gammagooey

Not voting: Vi and six people who were never voting to begin with

Duel deadline is in ~14 hours. This is probably going to end in tears.

Also, if you're hoping for C-worl and mykonian to get BaModkilled, the Day needs to get strung out for another four and a half days. The chance of that is fairly low between people being overeager to duel and the chance of SpyreX setting a deadline that far away after this duel ends.

[Vi]

:goofball:

Vote: Magister Ludi

(L-3)

[Vi]

...actually...

There are a few things that aren't quite right.

(1) T-Bone's fakeclaim checks out in flavor AFAIK. This means that scum have access to full fakeclaims. (It also means that simply claiming a character name will not suffice.)
(2) Drunken Unicorn Master's self-portrait as an "uncounterclaimed Cop" is not necessarily accurate, as no information regarding flipped players' roles is available. In addition, his role does not necessarily belong to Town if there are competing scumgroups (not that that assumption can be substantiated).
(3) One thing Magister Ludi is not considering is that Drunken Unicorn Master is going to duel next, and provided he wins he will pick up a Cop ability. If he's concerned about his claim putting a target on his back, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue.

Of these, I think the only one that is worth taking action on is (3). I'm not taking my vote off him to win the duel - to be honest I think we're going to lose either way - but there would have to be some tremendous reason for him not to claim at this point.

Also, for all the people who claim they hate me/my play in this game I'm seeing a lot of my ViBot idiosyncrasies rubbing off on people.~

--

Oh right, one other thing.

(4) I see Iecerint lurkin' / I hatin'

[Vi]

You are so far off from my character name it's kind of funny.~

[Vi]

If that specific question was related to me having the same thought you had, that's honestly very hard to answer. I have no knowledge of the flavor and only bothered looking at the wiki today, so flavor-based skepticism is out. If that's not it, then if you were talking about DUM possibly fakeclaiming, it's possible but I don't think it's worth looking into ATM. If that's not it, then if you were referring to Gammagooey's extra duel possibly making up for a lack of scumkill... while that would be really cool as a game mechanic, I don't think that's necessarily the case. In addition, while there are some sketchy circumstances around Gammagooey (i.e. he's not here right now, his duels are on people who are turning Town) I don't really think he's scum ATM.

Don't confuse "discrediting" with "teasing".~

[Vi]

Users browsing this forum: Gammagooey, Sathoris

Well speak of the etc.

[Vi]

*waiting patiently for Gammagooey*

[Vi]

And I hope that wasn't all.

[Vi]

So you still think Magister Ludi is scum?

Also

Vi I need to word with you before you shoot people so hold off for a bit for me.

What is this?

[Vi]

[RedCoyote's]

flip is interesting, in terms of the accompanying flavor. Possibly third party, but I'm going to assume "mafia scum" for now. Green/Blue is town, Red is scum, Purple/Gray/Other is third party, etc.

It's not so much the color mismatch so much as the dancing around the issue specifically by listing colors.

I can tell you now I'm not shooting Katsuki.

O-kay.

Unvote: Magister Ludi
Vote: Gammagooey

(L-4 or something)

[Vi]

The case for mykonian is weak and/or not well explained.

Except for how it's not.

I'm also pretty sure DUM has said "mykonian, Vi, Maxous" for a while now.

[Vi]

Should we trust you...?

That's the question of the Day. I'm seriously for massclaim at this point just to get all the magical mystery powers out of the way.

I'm strongly in favor of waiting before another duel begins - obviously until after my shot, which I don't plan to take immediately.

Right now I'm deciding between C-worl and mykonian for the shot - probably myko if ML flips scum. Katsuki is Town. Drunken Unicorn Master is likely Town. Iecerint is likely Town. Gammagooey is likely Town (or so I hope). RayFrost is off the table. I'm still not extremely happy with Maxous but that post on the previous page was decent enough for me to stand down on him. Whoever doesn't get shot would be nice to duel.

If Gamma and Vi are both town with thier abilities and Red Coyote was indeed third party.
That would mean the mafia team would probably be 5 members right?

In a 20-player game with a Lyncher? I highly doubt it.

Oh right, about myko. Look back through his posts and tell me how many things he got right in this game. Virtually all of his suspects have flipped Town, and his opinion on RedCoyote didn't really say much of anything.

[Vi]

C-worl: So aside from riding the Ludicoaster, who else is scum?

Will help SpyreX momentarily.

[Vi]

Unvote: Gammagooey

Unofficial vote count.

Magister Ludi (L-4) ~ Magister Ludi
Gammagooey (L-2) ~ Gammagooey, RayFrost, Maxous, Drunken Unicorn Master

[Vi]

There's a small tagline about Iecerint and no conclusion of DUM being scummy.

You needn't wait to vote.

[Vi]

Don't make us guess at what your role does, although I get the impression you just described half of it.

I am not going to waffle around and not save myself when I know I am town.

You're doing that now though.

[Vi]

@Gammagooey 1317: Well, he might if he had a reasonable chance of winning. Therein lies the issue.

Ludi, if I was the person you DIDN'T want on your wagon earlier, why are you appealing to me?
And if the setup is already game over for scum, why would it matter if more information came out?

I alone couldn't save you at this point if I wanted to. ...Well, I could, but I'm not going to use my shot on Gammagooey.

[Vi]

Uh I didn't make 1317 please input valid post number.

1377. Not quite 1337.

I am appealing to you right now because you're not on this wagon and have the potential to hammer.

I don't need to hammer though.

I never said it was game over for scum. It is heavily scum leaning right now.

The amount of difference that makes for what I was saying is zilch.

But seriously EVERYTHING Bastard and T-bone did points to Ludi-scum and his play since getting dueled points to Ludi scum and there's some other stuff but the moral of the story is Ludi is scum and should die now.

*rereads the T-Bone slot in isolation*
Hyperbole isn't making YOU come across as more trustworthy.

[Vi]

So that duel ended more or less as predicted.

Okay, claiming. As you have probably noticed, my role is just that much more awesome than all of yours put together. In fact, my Role PM specifically says I rule. I claim

R

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C

h

a

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l

i

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,

U

n

i

c

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r

n

L

y

n

c

h

e

r

.
Stronger than Lu Bu.
More feared than Cao Cao.
More crafty than Sima Yi.
More unicorn than

all of you put together

.

First off, don't even bother trying to duel me. I have a reputation beyond what any of you will ever have. Many have tried to drive me away from the field of battle in single combat. None have succeeded. None will ever succeed. I am ReaperCharlie

AND

I am Unicorn:

I am

immortal

.

That's not all though. I'm also a Mason Recruiter. I didn't actually believe it the first time I read it, but the wiki says that in Dynasty Warriors 7 the Unicorn Brethren make a minor appearance in the battle of Wo Dere. You attack me, you attack 1800 years of XBox

legacy

. And that's

Mason

recruiter, too. When I come by, it's an offer you can't refuse. You hate teh unicorn? You are teh SCUMZ.

Now you've all noticed that I can kill people

IN BROAD F*CKING DAYLIGHT

and get away with it. That's because I'm so awesome I can use my

whole body

as a weapon. When you read "cut through" that's me rainbow dashing through the poor sucker who's in front of me. And I'm not just doing it for fun, either (although that's certainly part of it) - if I can get one person of every color shishkabobed on my forehead, the rainbow awesomeness

E

X

P

L

O

D

E

S

and I can leave the game in harmony, harmony, OH LOVE. You're probably thinking "what the hell, that kind of thing is impossible". Except:

19.)RedCoyote -

Gan Ning of the Bells, Warrior of Wu

15.)GreyICE -

Dian Wei of the Generals of Wei

18.)Amrun -

Dong Zhuo, Survivor of the Han

COME ONNNNNNNNN GREENSCUM
Without it, my Unicorn Brethren call to arms is just

N

N

E

E

E

E

I

I

_____

H

H

H

!

!

!

As a side note, after

14.)DietyKabuto -

Lu Bu, Modified Lyncher

^^^this flip happened, I asked the mod what would have happened if I had impaled this fool - I didn't receive any notice of black being a color in this game. I didn't get a response that was more than an evil laugh, so I

guess

that if I had tried it my

Mason

Recruiting would have turned into

Cult

Recruiting. That's pretty much the only way the Town, riding on my back, could lose this game. Butwedonthavetoworryaboutthat

Now, you've probably read all that and you're thinking this is a load of bullsh*t. (or horsesh*t) And you'd be thinking

wrong

, because I've breadcrumbed this from the

beginning of the game

. ReaperCharlie, one of history's greatest pranksters, just trolled you with a fake post restriction for almost three game Days. And got away with it.

Just as planned.

But not just any post restriction. It's a post restriction that belongs to this brave and beautiful chick. Say, doesn't that face look familiar? Why yes it does! That's my avatar, as it has been all game! And you thought it was anti-Town.

So basically at this point I want to make reeeeeally sure mykonian is greenscum so I can leave everyone else to party on the leftovers.
Everyone else can sort out the rest of the game on their own; I'm outta here. (>")>



Discuss.

[Vi]

I was going to wait to see everyone's reactions to that but something tells me that would be a bad idea.~

The above claim is fake, but not very far off from my real role - the number of coincidences is actually what gave me the idea.

My Role PM does indeed say I rule. I am

Cao Cao, Ruler of Wei

.

I am not completely immortal, but I am too awesome to be dueled or to engage in duels. I'm still particularly bothered by how Maxous predicted this.

I am not a Mason Recruiter, but I do have access to a QuickTopic (that I did not have a hand in creating).

I am obviously a dayvig, though the rainbow chicanery was the hilarious coincidence that set the whole idea for the claim going.

The post restriction and avatar was not intended to be more than a way for me to have fun with the game and/or stop myself from dying superquick. I had just watched all the Continuum Shift story modes and liked the idea of λ-11. That I drew the extermination implement in this game was hilarious coincidence.

---

So Gammagooey, if I'm reading this right you can duel a presumably infinite number of people per Day as long as you win?
And you have scum reads on... no one at this time?

I'm really tempted to tell Maxous to claim next, but I don't think that would be a good move, so it might be better for RayFrost to clear some things up next.

[Vi]

On second thought, myko. Claim immediately.

[Vi]

Sigh. Was I only 3 days gone? In that case it went well. I'm probably behind several pages and the only thing I remember is that Vi was obv town and people didn't want to lynch maxous for some reason.

Consider me catching up. Sorry for being such a poor townie. I shouldn't have picked a large game as my first.

Because I'm really tempted to not give you the chance after a post that sounds as fake as this.

[Vi]

and sigh, do you really want me to claim?

Y
I think we're well beyond the point of preserving secrecy for the sake of hidden awesome power.

[Vi]

If your plan is to stymie the game by holding the massclaim up, it's working~

[Vi]

D.) Ability is Fearless, it makes any duel I start not end the day, Including the first duel I use it in.
^yes I don't actually have to win a duel before it kicks in and it doesn't go how other D. abilities go but that's just how it works.

Oh I get it now.

And I seriously don't understand how you can read all of my posts saying I think Katsuki is likely greenscum and say I have no scum reads at this time.

I'm special.

---

Also, Vi, please claim the names of your abilities.

Wei Cool

Ruler of Wei; The Heavenly Sword ("cut through" is evidently a trademark for Cao Cao).

---

This show is not on the road because mykonian is still scum stymieing the Day. RayFrost, claim

so I can shoot myko

.

---

I'm the backup. My D) ability makes me that. I assumed you would be killed that night, and it would be quite awesome to "save" a dayvig ability.

Things didn't work out that way, as Inhim had a power. He was the "hated townie", meaning that I die easily in combat.

I most decidedly did not die Night 1. Though that might have been the plan.
There are a few problems here.
1) That would take some awesome failure to read your Role PM to make a mistake like that.
2) Nowhere did you ask inHim for a claim, which you would kind of expect with a duel ability like that.
Between these two points, I get the impression that this was a "steal the vig at any cost" deal, with inHim presumably being vanilla and me being killable. It's the only way your plan makes sense IMO.
3) This backup role, while cool, is not necessarily pro-Town.

With your flavor elaboration I don't mind taking your word for you actually having this ability.

---

As for something completely different, let's take a look at the bigger picture.
We started with 20 players; we expect five scum.
So far we've seen a lyncher, a Survivor, and two other scum of who-knows-what-types.

Five scum is expected. Six scum is tolerable. Seven scum in a 20-player game? I think not. If there are three scum left of ANY type I will RAGE.

Today's setup speculation is that RedCoyote was a Mafia Traitor.
It fits flavor (both kinds) and the fact that there was only one kill on a Night when the Doctor was Roleblocked.

[Vi]

...

Maxous 1454... No detection made of suspicion of mykonian.

...

Querying previous mentions of mykonian by Maxous...

Spoiler: Quote wall

I have found scum! So now I should convince the town and then duel that person to death, right?

The basic idea, yes.
I would ask that nobody rushes in and declares a duel early on however

Hmm I want to see who mykonian is so sure of that he wants to duel right away. I have a thought but I'll wait for the response.

I'm not the rushy type,

To be fair it looked rushed to me also. And elvis has certainly not been passive.
By the way @mykonian: Do you still think gammagoeey is mafia?

This doesn't even make sense. Kat's post is quite towny, and somehow Maxous wants to twist this to his advantage.

The hell?
We have had one scum flip and she said 'looks like there are two scum teams'.. so yes I questioned that comment, I did'nt(still don't) see where that came from.
What did I twist? What does'nt make sense?

If you think this is rushing, say it now, or be forever silent

You rushed :/

BTW I do have a town read on mykonian but I have a stronger town read on inhim, so yeah.

@Juls: Is your vote simply punishment on Mykonian? if you had to pick a winner who would you pick?

As in his game role mykonian... not his character >_>

Anyway, Public Service Announcement:

I'm dueling today.

Dragging my feet over it would be a bad idea. I stepped aside last Day period because mykonian said he had the best ability for Day 1.

The case for mykonian is weak and/or not well explained. mykonain's lurking in this scenario is a null-tell.
(...)
Vi seems to have done a 180 in this day period. From pursuing the dodgier looking townies(even though I disagreed with GreyICE's and Amrun's kills) she is now pursuing the likes of Iecerint, Gammagooey and mykonian - the townier looking players of the game.

Basis for Town read not found.

...

[Vi]

Uuuh Vi if your vig at any costs thing was true you'd be dead right now. Ya know with the roleblocked doc and the instantaneous nights and everything.

That depends on when he realized he would be copying inHim, but you might have a point there due to the instantaneous Nights.

[Vi]

Chaz, when you're done being mentally challenged, please consider that not only was that REALLY premature and not on the one person who definitely should be dueled Today, but that RayFrost claimed that kills sent his way would end poorly and I have a good reason to believe it.

That and I don't take orders from people who call me VI.

---

My previous mentions? - You want me to explain my town read on mykonian?
Do I have to mention it during the game when I see a post which suggests somebody is town?

It certainly helps to leave a paper trail, especially when the person in question is scum and you've only explicitly said negative things about him before calling him Town.

1) I perfectly understood my role. I did have some timing issues. I was of the opinion that the first one to die would mean the first one after the duel.
2) I know... it's easy talking in hindsight. The plan was quite simple. There was a dayvig. Inhim was my best shot at scum. Duel for the lynch, and either draw the NK and let Vi (who shot scum) live or the other way around and save the dayvig ability. It didn't work out completely, but come on, that wasn't too bad an idea.

1) Then it doesn't sound like you perfectly understood your role.
2) I never said it wasn't a good plan. Just one that scum have a huge incentive to try.

[Vi]

Come to think of it, why Maxous when mykonian had already claimed something that you in particular would really really want to duel?

[Vi]

Is that the only comment you have, Gammagooey?

[Vi]

Man you just hate me this game don't you Vi.

rawr
I'll certainly vouch some part of it comes with you being a Double Day Duelist

and

Roleblocker (which is a whole lot better than everyone else's role seems to be, including mine).

That and I'm becoming progressively more annoyed at how I seem to be working a lot harder at this than everyone else. My concern is that the duel will end before the claims finish because of various completely preventable reasons.

And I see 1472 as asking your opinion on what just happened.

[Vi]

The problem is that dueling Maxous instead of mykonian is even less rational than ReaperCharlie's norm.

The problem I'm having is that with the exception of mykonian, Maxous, and probably C-worl the Town reads are starting to pile up.
But when people I have Town reads on do nonTown things I start getting twitchy.

Actually that leads to a good question in itself. What to do with C-worl?

[Vi]

Actually I don't quite know what to do with RayFrost either.

[Vi]

Real-life strangulation?
If you think that myk has a serious chance of being scum that botched his ability pickup d1 then he should be your shot today since he's a liability as either alignment because of said duel, if DUM wins we could just have him investigate C-Worl.

...
I'm not sure if I want to shoot Today because it'll put us in 6P LyLo Tomorrow (at least I think it's LyLo). At the same time, not shooting myko and making you policy-duel him arrives at the same result, but minus one duel Tomorrow... Or perhaps worse if one D) ability is an extra kill :\

Then shooting mykonian is the better move. I just suspect that DUM is going to do something DUMb with that investigation. v.v

I still wanna know why you think Katsuki is town by the way >.>

Ray is eh. I should probably reread him but I still do think he would have made the kill last night if scum and permanently roleblock/maybe other action immune scum is very very nasty. Although it might be balanced given all the other stuff in-game. Yeaah I'll go reread him.

Hopefully all will be made clear as soon as RayFrost gets his sorry snowman butt in this thread.

[Vi]

That...wasn't very helpful.

Unfortunately, I have my own reason for wanting RayFrost (and Katsuki) (and Maxous and C-worl) to claim at the next opportunity, claim order be darned.

[Vi]

I'll claim the rest of what I know now.

The person on the other end of my Neighbor thread is obv. Katsuki. It took longer than I wanted, but I got a claim from her. I think it would be better if she said what her role is just because it's better for her to not lurk every once in a while.

The other interesting thing about that Neighbor thread is that Katsuki told me she actually meant to target RayFrost. So I know the Nexus ability is true. In fact, I don't think anyone has fakeclaimed abilities. This also means that in the event that RayFrost is scum, Katsuki is almost certainly Town. What I was hoping to learn from RayFrost's claim was if he knew that Katsuki targeted him, because he picked a rather convenient time to softclaim.

Maxous's ability is tempting. I don't think it will interfere with anything pro-Town at this point. My choice to win is tentatively Maxous.
Fake edit: Maxous, do you have any other abilities?

C-worl's claim is the closest thing to a fakeclaim I've seen all game, looking at the wiki.

RayFrost's ability requires more intellectual meandering but the short of it is that I am for his lynch.

[Vi]

Also, please point out whether you two claimed Neighbors earlier in the game.

You would have to be blind to have missed my sudden "also Kats is Town" turn as well as my "I know what's going on with RayFrost" turn. There's another crumb in there too.

I told Kats to claim here since she's avoiding the thread. I'll see how long that lasts.

@CSL: I'll still call your duel stupid.

RayFrost probably definitely needs to die Tomorrow.

[Vi]

I just finished an exam...

Sima Yi here, ability of INTERROGATION.

...and...

[Vi]

(I can't believe I'm doing this.

...why do I always wind up saying that every time I wind up Neighborized to someone?)

[Vi]

In further news of whyRayfrostwhy:

Mod: Do D) abilities count as A abilities? By this I mean to ask if it's possible to use both a D and an A ability on the same "night" phase.

Why did you ask this question?

I didn't know the answer.

You shouldn't need to know the answer.

[Vi]

So deadline is today and I woke up early for this thread.

I'm not going to bother with ReaperCharlie's case atm tbh. I don't have the time or patience to sort through it.

I still have a shot and mykonian is going to eat it rather than waste Gammagooey's duel Tomorrow. This is basically policy.

Cut Through: mykonian

The other reason that mykonian is going to die is because Maxous has been looking for claims. In particular, this post sticks in my memory.

but why are you so interested in claims?

I am looking for somebody...

But I don't remember anything like that in his claim.
I

do

remember mykonian being interested in them (or having reason to be interested in them) though.

@Gammagooey - If a duelist is killed mid-duel the other one automatically wins.

Vote: Drunken Unicorn Master

until I get clarification on the above from Maxous.

Unofficial Vote Count

DUM (L-3) ~ DUM, Vi
Maxous (L-

3

4) ~ Gammagooey,

mykonian

No Winner (L-4) ~ Katsuki

[Vi]

Katsuki suggested that this post presupposed one Mafia group, as evidenced by "Town vs. Town and "spots I would expect Mafia to attach to".

[Vi]

Also, I find it pretty hilarious that Vi, while pretty reluctant to kill mykonian earlier, suddenly kills him on my command. lulz

Again: VI, KILL RAYFROST.

Vi, Kill Katsuki, preferably with your next post.

Vi, kill Gammagooey. Right now.

Vi. Your next kill will be mykonian.

failboat failboat~

[Vi]

@Gamma: Because I was.
I'm not going to claim why. I will if it becomes relevant.
Don't worry about it. =)

Everyone has claimed. I prefer to worry about it.

I'll give you a U. Vote Count in a few moments, if that's what you're looking for, Iece.

[Vi]

Unofficial Vote Count

DUM (L-3) ~ DUM, Vi
Maxous (L-4) ~ Gammagooey
No Winner (L-4) ~ Katsuki

8 votes, 5 to sc0re

Actually, nothing has changed.

[Vi]

Guys - If the information was useful for the town I would of told you already.

If we were massclaiming you should have told us everything in the first place.

[Vi]

I have a reason not to.

That's not the sort of thing you say on your deathbed.

I was paranoid that Vi didn't really kill myko.

Cut through, bolded, mykonian's name after it... I certainly meant it as a kill.

[Vi]

Iecei Cool and Maxous - Once again, I'm pretty sure there is only one team left with two scum in it. Certainly not three groupscum.

Let's try this one more time.

1.)Katsuki
2.)Vi
3.)Iecerint
5.)Gammagooey
9.)Drunken Unicorn Master (CSL / RC Hydra)
12.)Maxous
16.)RayFrost
17.)C-Worl

I want to say Katsuki is Town and being lazy as she has been is normal. Her role is indeed what she claimed to me, and if she's scum she's done a pretty good job working me over in the QuickTopic.

I'm Vi.

I don't think Iecerint is scum due to :effort: and reasons I think I had words for last night.

I don't think Gammagooey is scum more or less for the same reasons.

ReaperCharlie, if nothing else because of CSL walking out on him, is pretty obvTown.

Maxous isn't. It's not impossible for him to be Town by any stretch but I continue to hate how he's acting sketch.

RayFrost hasn't done much for a long time and claimed a power that needs to be lynched. I have no idea how I would balance a game that has a dayvig and a double-duelist but someone who can redirect BOTH seems like an obvious pick.

C-worl has done almost literally nothing all game. Katsuki said she at least TRIED as Town...

Process of elimination suggests the last three should be the next to go. If there isn't at least one scum in the bottom three, and assuming scum kill from one of the top five, the game would be over... but that's a chance I'm willing to take.

[Vi]

ITT we are still deadlocked and I'm not moving my vote.

[Vi]

Iecerint, you're losing me here. Who are the scum again? I'm counting three people you called out in your previous post when that would be pretty incredible.

Plus not calling DUM obvTown at this point is, like, really sketchy.

[Vi]

Have you been reading the posts you were calling me town for? I've been calling you scum since the claims ended. <_<

I think 4 scum (2/2) remain from an original 3/3.

Seven scum... one of which if successful ties up a lynch... and a Survivor... to make 12 Town in a 20 player game (60% Town, 40% nonTown).

*Does this sound likely to you?
*Do you realize I said something to this effect at least once before?
*If the answer to the previous question is yes, are you deliberately being dense or instantly denying everything I say or what?

I think leaning town on DUM, let alone calling him obvTown, is crazyworld.

If CSL, as scum, RAGEquit the hydra because his perfectly reasonable statements were being overruled, I will... well, I'll find something to do, and then I'll do it.

So help me I can't think of any reason you would be pushing HALF THE GAME as scum beside simply not wanting to get PoEd.

Also, I want an opinion on RayFrost from you. Now.

[Vi]

If I have to unvote for the sake of preventing both of you from dying I will (as soon as I get a

deadline clarification from the mod

).
But this is bloody ridiculous.

Also I'm still holding to two greenscum left.

[Vi]

So help me I can't think of any reason you would be pushing HALF THE GAME

beside being

scum simply not wanting to get PoEd.

EBWOP etc. etc.

[Vi]

1) I really don't think I should have to explain to you that people who have the role title of "lyncher" is non-Town at best and traditionally considered scum.

2) I read your "Vi is confirmed scum" wall and you completely lost me on what the logic is behind it. Rather than ask everyone to read it, go ahead and restate it to me simply and tell them to read that.

[Vi]

FWIW I missed your #114 before. Had you not pointed it out again I wouldn't have noticed it at all.
And I read the wall and didn't understand it the first time. Help me out here; making it clearer can only help everyone around you.
As for other people saying they've commented on it, that's true, but I don't see how they understood it either.

Re: this game being balanced - I review setups all over the place. If I thought this setup were balanced I would have said as much.
If I saw a setup that was less than two-thirds Town (hint: back in ye olde days setup balance was considered having 25% to 33% scum; it has since gone down to favoring 20% to 25%), I would either say "whatever, it's your game" or I would tell them to start over depending on whether the mod in question aspired to be "bastard".

[Vi]

I reviewed Star Control II 2. That's 33%, the upper limit. There's a funny story related to this about Star Control II 3 I can't tell you, but there's a reason why it died in review.

Okay GG, YOUR turn. Why am I scum according to Iecerint?

[Vi]

@Gammagooey: That's the useless part. What's this about mechanical issues?

If I'm reading/parsing it right, he's saying I'm scum because my daykill ability has to be fake because it interacts weirdly with his vengekill.

The problem with this is that even if the

Cut Through

command is fake the kill is obviously real, so the weird interaction with his vengekill would still be there.

Since the kill is obviously real, that's not the issue. The issue is then one of the following.
1) The vengekill ability is fake.
2) Both abilities are real and Iecerint is having immense amounts of trouble finding scum for whichever reason.

I don't think the vengekill ability is fake.
I also don't think Iecerint as scum would have the sheer amount of free time necessary to dream up the whole back-and-forth mod discussion story unless it actually happened.
-SHAKY- I don't think Iecerint (as scum) would have had that conversation as discussed unless he was a member of one of two scumgroups.
I don't believe there are two scumgroups.
Therefore Iecerint is Town.

Is that everything?

---

Cut by Iecerint.
Read this again.

The problem with this is that even if the

Cut Through

command is fake the kill is obviously real, so the weird interaction with his vengekill would still be there.

It's a kill, obviously.
It occurs during the Day. Five seconds of thought beyond what Ockham's Razor would stand didn't suggest any other alternatives.
Therefore it's a daykill.

[Vi]

This is going to be one of those nights where I apologize to people a lot. I'm sorry for the tone of my previous posts.

[Vi]

I somewhat see what you're saying.

Question. Why would

Cut Through:

being a trigger make a difference?

I think scum have even faked THIS VERY THING on this site before when I was reading through some old games once. <_<

'Haven't seen it.

[Vi]

3. Simple explanation: SX allows it because Vi's command is text that doesn't change my death state

until it ends

. Therefore, it is not a kill

until it ends

.

Y/N?

[Vi]

Gamma-

3 scum - 5 town
I die
3 scum - 4 town
Night kill
3 scum - 3 town

DUM must not win regardless of his alignment. Cause I should be able to take out the night kill. A cop is useless when it's game over.

Maxous-

3 scum - 5 town
DUM dies
3 scum - 4 town
Maxous does not use ability; Night kill
3 scum - 3 town

Therein lies the issue. (There's also the issue of there being 3 scum to begin with, but etc. etc. etc. dead horse as pinata.)

Cut: I'm never going to get used to SpyreX being abbreviated as SX.

[Vi]

SpyreX is learning what I did in MetaMafia. I think I'm never going to clarify a role to anyone after pregame again, because being someone's technicality hotline is annoying... among other things.~

So where do we go now, sweet child of mine?

[Vi]

Unofficial Vote Count

DUM (L-3) ~ DUM, Vi
Maxous (L-3) ~ Gammagooey, Maxous
No Winner (L-3) ~ Katsuki, Iecerint

8 votes, 5 to sc0re

[Vi]

Also before I forget again.

Also, I find it pretty hilarious that Vi, while pretty reluctant to kill mykonian earlier, suddenly kills him on my command. lulz

Nobody shall ever say General Cao's Chicken.



...sorry, ever since I found out how my flavor name is supposed to be pronounced I've been looking for some opportunity to use that pun.

[Vi]

Could we at least get people to not vote No Winner? Iecerint, get back here.

[Vi]

Once again, my best guess based on flavor is that Gan Ning was a Traitor.

I think you're worrying just a huge bit too much when clearly you could word your conditionals like
*if I am publicly killed by Vi, shoot Vi
*if I am killed at Night, kill _____
*if I lose a duel, kill _____
Just saying.

The chance of DUM being scum is minimal. Seriously.
I'm more willing to take a chance on Maxous being scum than there being three more groupscum in the game.

Cut: You don't have to trust me; read what happened and decide for yourself.

[Vi]

We're no longer tied, so I'm going to go to sleep. Don't do anything embarrassing in the next ~seven and a half hours.

[Vi]

ANYWHO,

Like what I said to the Dead QT:

Thoughts on the duel mechanic?
Like/dislike of setup?
Lynch mob for me IRL for inadvertent deathmiller + redirector scum?

Duel mechanic - In the end I don't think I liked it. Far too often the choice was between two people who really, really should not have been lynched.
Like/Dislike of setup - Had I known RedCoyote was Town, I would not have made the setup assumptions I did. Nobody would have. At least I was correct on four scum, but one too many was alive.
Lynch mob for Death Miller + Redirector scum - The Death Miller was worse than the Redirector. Had we had another Day I was definitely going to force a RayFrost lynch through and probably vig C-worl since all the other obvious vig hits were dead.

RayFrost was who I'd have had cop results on in the morning though. He'd been flipping back and forth between a town read and scum read the whole game, and I didn't like it.

What part of "redirector" did you not read anywhere in the last two Days or postgame?

I'm impressed with Iecerint, and I'm disappointed that I dropped the scum->scum angle with the T-Bone duel. I was on to RayFrost as well, but he did a good job of steering me away. C-worl basically went down on the priority list because other people jumped up and said SHOOT ME SHOOT ME.

Also, it would have been rather difficult for me to be more obviously Town after I dropped the robot act. Like I was embarrassed to post.

I did the best I could with what I had. I have no regrets.

[Vi]

Duel mechanic - In the end I don't think I liked it. Far too often the choice was between two people who really, really should not have been lynched.

Addendum: It would have been much better if there were a way to stop the obviously pointless duels.

[Vi]

Like voting "draw - both survive" and not having a duel but being able to lynch? Seems like a decent addendum over "YOU MUST DECIDE"

"Both survive" is more polite than "too much of a waste of life, brains, and time", but yes.

I am proud of my reads. What I don't understand is why no one except Ludi even considered them on my death.

I thought about them momentarily, and then moved on

Complaining that

[ReaperCharlie]

dueled the wrong person when Vi vigged about infinity townies is ridiculous.

You probably don't need me to say this, but I'm going to anyway.

RedCoyote was acting like scum. I shot him. If presented with a similar situation in the future I will do the same thing.
You were acting like scum. I shot you. If presented with a similar situation in the future I will do the same thing.
Amrun was acting like scum. I shot her. If presented with a similar situation in the future I will do the same thing.
mykonian was acting like scum, then he claimed something that needed to be killed ASAP regardless so what I thought didn't matter anymore.

And to think, I claimed ReaperCharlie and he still gives me the bird. No respect.~

[Vi]

@Iecerint: I find it amusing that you were about as wrong on your scumreads as everyone else

[Vi]

Maybe you should tighten your definition of 'acting like scum' a bit. I especially love the bit where you used Camden to show that my scum play was weaker than my town play... you know, the game with NINTY SIX HOUR DEADLINES AND WHERE SCUM NEVER EVEN GOT CLOSE TO LYNCH and then killed me because I play differently in a game with FOUR DAY GAMEDAYS.

Your posts in that game

were

weak in comparison to Cowboy Bebop Remix.

I know you're having fun and all, but whenever you want to move on is fine.

[Vi]

Plus I thought that you thought my play in CBR was pretty terrible, what with you deciding to see if you could mislynch me on day 1.

It was. It was also different.

Also how was I supposed to know you had graduation and half a foot and so forth?

---

Vi, why did you decide to shoot without claims 3/4 times? This was the main crazy part IMO.

(1) As said before, claims are meant to be believed. Someone would have a cow if I shot someone whose claim they thought was believable, whether I was right or wrong.
(2) Suppose I told someone to claim.
*If they didn't, what was I supposed to do, NOT shoot them?
*If they did, and it was good enough of a claim that it would be a bad idea to shoot them, what was I supposed to do, ask someone else to claim? Then people would have whined about "too many claims".
(3) As said before, optimal dayvig play is to kill people who are scum but not going to be lynched. That was what I was selecting on.

---

Juls is correct. I was waffling between GreyICE and Magister Ludi when DeityKabuto started a duel and I felt my hand was forced. It wasn't an easy decision.

[Vi]

Sure. That sort of thing is usually the impetus for me saying

IF YOU ARE TOWN
YOU MUST ACT TOWN

Plus, consider that I didn't make it a secret that I was coming. I shot RedCoyote after a dozen posts asking why he wasn't dead yet. After I shot once, it should have been pretty obvious what would happen when I started angling toward people.

I recognize that there's another side to this argument, but you're talking to someone who cheers for Javert.

[Vi]

Maybe shoot some motherfucking lurkers next time? You could have hit the ENTIRE SCUM TEAM

You know, I was going to say this was good advice, will do next time, and leave it there.

Now you're basically being a douche with amazing hindsight powers... which is somewhat interesting; I previously thought your hindsight powers were just "pretty good".

To me, and not quite sure how, but my gut was pretty much yelling that Vi is so obv-town that it hurts.

It hurt me too.

[Vi]

Thanks to both of you, but I don't need the good word. You're not going to convince either of them.

[Vi]

You should have

not dueled someone that wasn't part of your Win Condition and/or would have given you a daykill that would have publicly revealed you as third party

.

SpyreX how was Lu Bu supposed to find Liu Bei anyway?