00s Band Mafia (Game Over!)

[Magua]

Thanks for replacing into one of my scumreads Magua.

When I'm scum, you think I'm town. Ergo, you thinking I'm scum must mean I'm town.

Also, evilpacman gets a cookie for making me laugh.

Also also, I'd like nintendo to explain his unvote and/or self vote so I can skip the bothersome rereading step, which I'll note I haven't done yet aside from this page.

P-edit: Oh, seriously? Lulz. You should've said you were fakeclaiming VT to dodge the mafia kill.

This seriously *is* easy mode.

Someone (Regfan) tell me if we're ok with hammering now or if there's anything to be talked about.

[Magua]

Unvote

Sweet lets focus on the other ones now.

Why the hell do that?

Because we can.

There's plenty to work with at the moment Magua, Nintendo was wagoned on D1 and the wagon jumped of him REALLY quickly the second he claimed VT, lets have a chance to anaylse that before we lynch Nintendo.

Since I don't want to break my self-imposed vow of actually reading this game and being useful, can you give me the post number of where he claimed?

magua you just got confrmed as town, also hi

I am town, but his report isn't correct. Methinks rolecop got bus driver'ed. That's just speculation, though, don't want anyone to claim or stupid shit like that. I'll know more tomorrow.

This is true, this also means I can now lurk and let Magua take over.

You're the first one on the chopping block if that happens.

[Magua]

I am town, but his report isn't correct. Methinks rolecop got bus driver'ed. That's just speculation, though, don't want anyone to claim or stupid shit like that. I'll know more tomorrow.

You just admitted to have a PR.

Fuck. I'm being sloppy. Going to bed.

Gorilla's probably town due to the proximity of his votes and nintendo's on the Tarsonis wagon, scum want to be more spread out.
Parabollocks, same reason.

C-worl is probably scum partner with D1 distancing between him and Nintendo that gets conveniently dropped D2, but then again, that's me just looking at the vote counts and not bothering to read.

[Magua]

Magua, you are going to do a full re-read, right?

No. I'm going to vote nintendo and then get NK'ed. Rereading seems a waste, then.

Also, who's scumhunter? Is it eritas?

Also also: if there's a watcher, be on me. If there's a doc, flip a coin on being on me. I appreciate the protection, but it messes with my investigation. So, yeah. 50/50 it or something. Chances are very high that the person you protected N1 was town.

If mafia decide not to kill me, they'll try to roleblock me, so that watcher bit is important.

I concur that Hiraki was probably a vig shot, or an SK-wanting-to-appear-like-a-vig shot. Keep up the good work. Let me recommend C-worl, Evilpacman, or Chesskid, in about that order of preference.

Regfan, gorilla, parabollocks are all town.

Pedit: Stop ninja'ing me.

[Magua]

Hi jungle animal.

Hi! =P I hope you get shot too. Not because I think you're scum, but because I thirst for your blood.

All trolling aside, I fos Regfan. He was quick to remind us that mafia get safe claims. Bus bus bus bus bus of nintendo right here.

No.

You're wrong.

VOTE: NintendoAddict1

[Magua]

Magua, time for you to read the whole thread, I'll wait for you to finish.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I approve of killing EPM, thus prolonging my not having to do anything.

Also, mafia neither killing nor roleblocking me is TROLOLOLOLOLOL.

Brief since I'm V/LA: I just used my action. You will see it in effect soon.

Today or tonight?

[Magua]

did magua claim?

Claim:

Awesome.

[Magua]

So...er, not to be ungrateful or anything, but why revive Pine instead of waiting for a PR to die?

i CC you sir

Lies. I rolecopped you. You came up as "CHESSKID". That's not "Awesome".

Reread is going to have to wait until I get home. In the meantime, I will spew ignorant prattle.

[Magua]

If EPM is scum, DH is 100% confirmed buddy.

[Magua]

Pine will be able to give a better read of C-worl than I can, so I'm going to skip him.

[Magua]

Oh. Carry on then.

tarsonisocelot, Parabollocks are town, btw.

Evilpacman, Demonhybrid are scum. Chesskid is likely scum, though that's shakier.

[Magua]

diddin, could be mafia reviver trying to wifom tbh.

Let him. Worry about it come lylo. There's literally *zero* reason to even think about lynching or vigging him until that point.

ON THE NINTENDO WAGON

The first time? The time that went like this:
chesskid3: HAI GUIZ NINTENDO IS MAFIA
Nintendoaddict: Um, I'm a VT, and, um, I'm Blink 182.
chesskid3: I TOTALLY BUY THIS CLAIM AND STOP ALL PRESSURE IMMEDIATELY

Or did you mean the second time, where herpaderp, he SLIPPED and then ADMITTED HE WAS MAFIA.

AFTER EPM EARLY

Yes. You and C-worl. Bringing him down.

CHESSKIDS IS MASTER BUSSER

"Bussing" is when you actually try to get them lynched. This is "distancing."

[Magua]

I'm a JOAT with 1-shot each of Vig, Roleblock, and Rolecop.

I used my Vig and RB powers last night. I killed Pine. I also RB'd C-Worl. I'm not sure if my RB hit the scum killer or if me and the scum both aimed for Pine but I'm guessing my RB hit since Pine doesn't seem like a scum-motivated kill.

vote: C-Worl

My encore song is Pistol of Fire.

Ignore Regfan for the moment.

Everything else aside, whom did you rolecop, because I can imagine zero reasons for you to not have rolecop'ed N1.

[Magua]

Also, I feel bad for DemonHybrid.

[Magua]

I didn't rolecop N1. My reads weren't strong enough to use a 1-shot like that and I assumed I wouldn't get killed by scum because I was already on some scumdars but I wouldn't get vigged because I wasn't that scummy. Nice thing about being in the middle. Obviously didn't work for Hiraki but...

Continue ignoring Regfan.

So why did you not rolecop N2?

[Magua]

No, you answered why you didn't do it N1.

But that answer's not applicable for N2, because you obviously had strong scumreads, etc, you were willing to kill over. So why did you not rolecop along with your roleblock and kill?

[Magua]

Post 642, #3.

The point of rolecopping isn't to *clear* you, it's to give *you* more information. You rolecop someone, they come up vanilla, later they claim to be doctor or something, you know they're lying. Or you rolecop someone and they come up doctor, you know there's a doctor in the game, they come up vigilante, you can be pretty damn sure they're clear, things like that.

So, again, why did you not rolecop last night?

[Magua]

Jesus Christ, man. I know information is nice but is it really that hard to jump to a VERY EASY conclusion here? Because I wanted to see the results of tonight. I was pretty sure about Pine and that went all wrong so now I can revise my reads and still have some power left to check how my changed reads are doing compared to my old reads. I saved it for a fallback, which was clearly a good idea.

No. Vig first, rolecop later is the mindset of someone who vigs N1. Which you didn't. That means more cautious play. More cautious play means rolecop first, vig second.

Anyawys, you're getting lynched. I actually really don't care what slaxx has to say, but I'm feeling talkative and all conversational-like, so I'm holding off, but, yeah, I'm going to vote you at some point.

If you get lynched and flip Town JOAT, which, frankly, would slap my ass and call me Sally, then we'll lynch C-Worl tomorrow. 1:1 is a good trade.

But, if you instead flip scum, then I implore someone, for the love of god, to just vig DemonHybrid tonight. If by some strange coincidence there's a town poisoner, poison Chesskid tonight. Don't bother poisoning DemonHybrid in this case, cause, y'know, we're just going to lynch him.

I suppose there could be a surprise twist and you flip SK or something. But I kind of doubt it due to the lack of kills N1 and N2.

[Magua]

When slaxx says I'm allowed to do it, how will you all react?

By voting you.

So who's your scumreads now?

Unofficial Vote Count

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

evilpacman18 (6): chesskid3, tarsonisoceot, Regfan, diddin, Pine, Scumhunter
C-worl (1): evilpacman18

Not voting (6): Gaoth, Magua, Gorilla, Parabollocks, C-worl, Demonhybrid

[Magua]

@Pine:

If EPM is scum, then DemonHybrid is scum and C-worl is town.

@Regfan:

But if he self hammers I don't have to reread.

[Magua]

Alright, you've said this about a million times now. As if you're psychologically wired to say it.

Why?

CHESSKID

@Slaxx:

Theme game. Flavor means whatever the mod wants it to mean.

[Magua]

EBWOP: @Pine, not @Slaxx, obv.

[Magua]

You don't think that Nintendoaddict's pushing on tarsonisocelot clears him? You think that Nintendoaddict, who didn't realize he could say he was faking VT to avoid being NK'ed, would go on and bus like that?

[Magua]

No.

I know you don't. But I'm asking evilpacman.

Bussing is fun.

Sure is. The question isn't whether bussing is fun, the question is, do you think Nintendoaddict would bus?

[Magua]

Do you not?

I absolutely do not he would bus. I'm willing to bet this was his first game as scum, ever.

Do you think I'm scum?

[Magua]

Put a "think" in there wherever it seems grammatically appropriate.

[Magua]

VOTE: evilpacman18

It may be, but his play here does not suggest it. His play here suggests someone who really has no clue what they're doing.

1. He forgets his original claim.
2. He folds instead of lying.
3. He's a rolecop who obviously either didn't tell his scummates who he was rolecopping or didn't even think to say, "The guy I rolecopped was VT."

These are all indications that he's inexperienced. And inexperienced scum don't bus; they're almost deathly afraid of voting their teammates.

I bussed in my first game as scum.

Mmmm. That's nice. Got a link for me?

[Magua]

You're the best. I'm not going to bother. No offense.

[Magua]

@DemonHybrid:

You got the answer from Slaxx. Now what? If EPM is not scum, then who?

[Magua]

Disagreement. The quicker he's lynched, the quicker scum will kill me.

[Magua]

So... if you guys are set on me being scum then it would have to be me and my team that killed Pine, right?

What scum motivation would we have for that?

The better question is: let's assume you're not scum, EPM. Who would you have killed?

[Magua]

EPM

DID

kill me. One of the most obvTown players in the game. Vig doesn't kill probTown, especially if the have a rolecop ability available to them. They kill probScum, investigate probTown that they doubt, and then act upon the results.

Again, please hold off on the hammer. There's far more than 50% support for this righteous lynch, but let's do this deliberately and not with undue haste. Hunt scumbuddies and run down these connections so we can better interpret EPM's flip.

Pine, if I thought there was anything more to get, I'd agree. But I don't see anything else of use coming out of this day. If you want to ask questions like, "Who's EPM's partner?" or whatnot, go ahead, but I'd recommend being more direct about it. Otherwise, no one's really got any incentive to do anything since EPM's going to get lynched anyways.

[Magua]

...but...but Awesome's my real role.

<_<
>_>

[Magua]

I'll believe EPM's claim for today

,

though he's by no means confirmed, as he could be a mafia JOAT

,

but I'm not for lynching him right now. Can't really bring myself to risk killing off a potential town JOAT; they're really powerful.

On the other hand, I'll be keeping an eye on him very heavily.

Personally, though, I think the band claim gels

....

not sure about the song names

,

but I guess that's for future discussion. EPM should live today.

Green:

Doesn't want evilpacman lynch

Red:

Suspicion of evilpacman

Seriously. How can you even say something like "I believe his band claim...but I don't believe his song claim".

Also, if you believe his claim, why are you not voting C-Worl, as EPM-as-JOAT-implies-C-Worl-as-mafia-killer?

[Magua]

I said a few things. You conveniently decided not to include the last part of my post.

I left out the stuff about gorilla, yes. Wasn't relevant to the point I was making, which is that you are hardcore fencesitting.

1. I said I

wasn't sure

about the song names. You seem to imply that that 100% means that I'm suspicious of it. I'm saying that I have yet to see a flip that confirms less popular songs as potential songs, but I'm not throwing away the possibility.

You said you believed his claim. Believing his claim => believing he's a JOAT. I *utterly* fail to see how song or band names come into it. But, given that you believe his claim, and you believe his band claim, why would you even *mention* his song claim? Do you think his band claim and role claim are legit but his song claim isn't?

would suggest that, you know, he's NOT CONFIRMED TOWN. So, it could go either way, as your colors suggest. Yes, I don't want his lynch today. No, I'm not completely sure of his innocence.

Never said you thought he was town. Said that you believe his claim, believe his band name, but still put suspicion on him on extremely minor points (like songs).

And I'm not voting C-Worl, or anyone at the moment, because I'd like to evaluate everyone's interactions with nintendo and I won't be doing that until I get back from work later today.

To be frank: bullshit.

You voted EPM in #607 based off of his relationship with nintendo. So obviously had looked at *that* interaction. Did you not bother to look at anyone else's during the Night?

You then unvote after the claim, doing

the exact same thing to EPM that you were voting EPM for doing to nintendo.

[Magua]

i have bad reading skills, or i'm lazy. :0)

VOTE: EPM

What changed your mind?

[Magua]

Any other logical fallacies and reaching arguments you want me to disprove, Magua? Best to get it out of your system now.

Do you think I'm scum?

[Magua]

Did you ask because I asked you the quoted above?

I ask because you continually state that I'm misrepping you or twisting your words.

If you think I'm town, that makes no sense, because there's no incentive for town to do that.

It only makes sense if you think I'm scum, so I asked.

Here, I'll make it easy for you. I think you're scum. I really want you to hang. I find your fence-sitting to be incredibly scummy. I find your defenses to be AtE along with dirt throwing. I think that EPM is the mafia roleblocker, and you're incredibly scared he's going to get lynched and you're going to be up shit creek without a paddle.

So.

Do you think I'm scum?

[Magua]

You should vote me.

Scumhunter will vote me if you do. Hell, he might do it even if you don't.

[Magua]

No. I want EPM lynched.

Opinion on DemonHybrid please.

[Magua]

*gets popcorn*

[Magua]

Rolecop can't really "get" scum, you understand.

[Magua]

Oh, good. C-worl's browsing this forum. Expect something from him soon.

PEdit: Oh, good. He hammered while asking why he was being voted. Thanks, C-worl!

[Magua]

We're not lynching Regfan.

We're lynching DemonHybrid.

This is non-negotiable.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

Chesskid, I already think you're on the scum side of the equation. Your push on Regfan isn't helping, considering that it was really Regfan's #577. You want to say that Regfan bussed Nintendo, that's fine, I could believe that, but to turn around and bus Nintendo

when the scum obviously have no idea who the PRs are because they keep killing VTs

AND to bus evilpacman

at the same time

is just so wrong that words fail me.

So stop derping.

[Magua]

considering that it was really Regfan's #577.

EBWOP: considering that it was really Regfan's #577

that put the suspicion on EPM that got him lynched D3 to begin with

.

[Magua]

Magua, do you think mass-claim might be optimal now?

Definitely not. Scum don't have a rolecop. Make them take the risk between going for the confirmed innocent VTs and trying to shoot for a powerrole.

[Magua]

Also, @Pine, evilpacman and C-worl interaction *strongly* points to C-worl being town.

They do have a rolecop and a roleblocker.

They don't have a rolecop *anymore*, and you know that's what I meant. If someone has results of use, they can come forward and give them. Otherwise, scum are caught in a position where they know that there are PRs, and they know that there's confirmed town, and they have to make the choice to try to go for the PRs like they did yesterday with Parabollocks, or go for the confirmed town and give the PRs yet another night.

Massclaiming just guarantees the death of whatever defensive PR we have.

And, honestly, I don't care about our investigative PRs too much. DemonHybrid is scum, which means there'll be one scum left and us with something like 3 mislynches available.

[Magua]

Post.

Not sure whether to vote DH or C-Worl. C-Worl's interactions with Nintendo D1 were scummy for reasons I posted earlier.

It is usually considered the smart move to vote scum (DemonHybrid) over town (C-worl).

[Magua]

So, I want to make sure I understand.

- Regfan pushes for Nintendo's lynch D2. Nintendo gets lynched, flips scum. You investigate Regfan?
- Regfan, who you know is inno, pushes EPM's lynch D3. I push EPM's lynch D3. EPM gets lynched, flips scum. You investigate me?

That's seriously your story?

[Magua]

Yep. I wanted to make sure no one's getting away with calculated bussing.

Words completely fail me.

Also, have you not realized that Regfan is one of the top candidates for a lynch today?

No, I hadn't realized that, because it's *not true*.

How come after Nintendo got lynched and flipped scum, you didn't go back and look for Nintendo's relationships with other players before submitting your cop investigation on Regfan?

[Magua]

Magua, I believe the claim, don't you? XD

I'd believe it a thousand times more if he'd investigated you.

Basically, in my experience, the scum leading the lynch of another flipped scum are the hardest to make a case against; they're the ones that usually survive until endgame, and I wanted to prevent, if one of you guys were scum, taking advantage of nintendo's slip or EPM's iffy logic. I didn't post much to avoid getting NKed and I came out of Night 3 in an extremely bad-looking state. I just wanted to get rid of that shitstorm before it grew out of control.

Preview edit: Read the above. You don't ALWAYS have to investigate the scummy ones. In fact, it'd be a waste to do so. You'd out yourself AND waste an investigate to a lynch, or both. If the player flips town, there isn't much you can do. There's a lot more worth investigating the ones that seemed to be on top of the scum lynch pushing just in case it's scum in a competent townie's clothing.

Scumhunter.
Fucking Goath.
Gorilla.

Any of these investigations would've been useful.

Hell, in your list in #778 you have Pine WHO IS MOD CONFIRMED INNOCENT.

And your breadcrumb is that you wanted to let EPM live so that you could cop him...when his lynch was being pushed by one of your innos. What. The. Hell.

Does not compute.

[Magua]

Vote: Gaoth

. You're like "nintendo did this and this and this and this. And it looks scummy.

NULL-TOWN READ!"

Fuck that.

"EPM isn't posting that much content.

STILL, TOTALLY TOWNIE!"

Fuck that.

MAN, IF ONLY YOU HAD SOME WAY OF ASKING THE MOD IF HE WAS INNOCENT OR GUILTY.

[Magua]

Since the cat is out of the bag I should get this out there so my affiliate(s) can get this info. Don't bother with Magua/Nicodemus slot, it is VT.

And you think that this clears Magua?

You're insulting nintendo. He isn't that fucking dumb.

So do you think I am or am not a VT? Yes or no, please, that's all I ask.

[Magua]

Since the cat is out of the bag I should get this out there so my affiliate(s) can get this info. Don't bother with Magua/Nicodemus slot, it is VT.

And you think that this clears Magua?

You're insulting nintendo. He isn't that fucking dumb.

So do you think I am or am not a VT? Yes or no, please, that's all I ask.

YES, you're a VT, but I'm saying that NINTENDO'S STATEMENT didn't clear you in the least.

So, then, you *do* think that nintendo is, and I quote, "that fucking dumb"?

[Magua]

@Magua: I'm confused at nintendo's actions, because I didn't think he is that dumb (and I expected everyone to think the same), and I still don't, but it was a stupid move. He's not a bad player and I didn't think he would plainly state your role and alignment for real.

What about claiming VT, and then claiming non-VT?

What about, upon being told about his role mixup, claiming mafia instead of the obvious "I did that to avoid getting NK'ed"?

[Magua]

DemonHybrid believes in the argument he's selling.

I still think he's scum. I still want to lynch him.

C-worl is town. Rereading EPM, EPM is self-admittedly capable of bussing, but I believe that he was trying to stick as much truth into his story as he could. To that end, I think he really did roleblock C-worl and really was the one who submitted the kill on Pine. Maybe he was doing it in case he was tracked or watched. Dunno. But I believe that he was allowed to submit both a kill and a roleblock and that that was the foundation for him making that JOAT claim.

Fun fact: Goath has not been on site since before D3 ended. Doubtful he's scum. Scum, even if they submitted the kill via QT, would be reading the thread to try to identify a PR.

tarsonisocelot is probably town, given lynching attempts by both nintendo and EPM at the same time D2.

Gorilla: For Gorilla to be scum would require Nintendo, Gorilla, and EPM to all be on tarsonis at the same time with no town on. Not buying it.

diddin I have a null read on, but his role usage is strongly town. Pine had expressed suspicion of diddin's role usage, but the last thing that scum needs after shooting two VTs and having a scumlynch D2 with a strong leaning towards another scumlynch D3 is to resurrect one of those VTs. I'm totally willing to give him a pass here.

Chesskid is probably still scum.

Scumhunter is PoE scum if it's not DemonHybrid + Chesskid.

PEdit:

MOTHERFUCKING POSTS. HOW DO THEY WORK?

[Magua]

Also, you suspecting chesskid is absolute fucking fail. Start thinking.

You should be thinking that I'm town. What gives you the impression that I'm not thinking? That I suspect you? AtE more. Reread D3 and come up with an explanation of why you were defending EPM so heavily that's not "I believed his claim." I fail to believe that someone who is so paranoid they cop check those who lynch scum two days in a row turns around and says, "Oh, he claimed JOAT, well, that makes sense." and lets it go.

Magua, I want mass-claim so bad.

No. There is literally no way that massclaim helps us more than it helps the scum.

Magua, chesskid claimed miller on day 1. If there is a miller it almost always implies a cop I'd say. If there are no cc's to town cop, I think we have to take his claim at face value and give Demon like 90% clear status.

The fuck planet do you live on? "Chesskid claims miller, DemonHybrid claim cop, therefore they're both clear"?

[Magua]

I say we lynch Regfan, whose activity thus far suggests he's scum. If he flips GF, excellent. If he flips non-GF scum, DH is caught. If he flips Town, DH is semi-confirmed.

The FUCK planet are YOU living on?

Jesus christ, have you people gone mental?

Speaking of which: Magua, like I said, I either die or get more investigations. Scumhunter should be on me. If he dies, you know that scum is on the right track to killing me; meanwhile, we lynch from the people not confirmed or highly likely to be town (chesskid). So why not wait and see?

Yeah. No. The problem is I don't trust any investigation results you make. So, no, still want you dead. You are the scummiest person in this game to me by far, and with Scumhunter in it that's really saying something.

If you're legit mass-claim should prove so due to the lack of power-role counterclaims and if there is a protective role you would be guarenteed one more investigation which is all that should be needed to win.

Pine is a much better protection target than DH in every single way. I see *zero* to be gained out of massclaim. It won't prove DH is legit, and it won't prove that he's scum. It'll just out defensive PRs.

Scum are obviously scared that there are defensive PRs, and are trying to hit them. Let them. THEY HAVE TO KILL THE UNCLEARED TO DO SO. There's no reason to make their job any easier.

Jesus, if I had read [

Scumhunter's claim

], I would have never claimed.

Why not? Give me your thought process about why reading a protection PR claim D1 would keep you from claiming now.

[Magua]

This is honestly getting stupid, we have enough clears that we should be able to end this in the next day or two. I'm putting my foot down, you can lynch me after its done for all I care.

We're massclaiming

I no longer care what Magua thinks about it, it is indeed optimal. Heck, I"ll even claim first.

I'm a VT.

You've lost it. So instead of making mafia have to shoot at the uncleareds and risk hitting more VTs, you'll plant a big sign that says, "Hey, mafia, PRs right here"?

[Magua]

Magua, by the way, why don't you believe a cop claim with a 1st post miller claim?

The only way that makes sense is if you think both Chess and I are mafia together, which you do,

but these interactions are REALLY bad.

Asked and answered.

Preview edit: Magua, I'm not saying that I suspect you. I'm saying that I think you're being dumb.

Says the one who believed the JOAT claim to the one who lynched the RBer. Seriously.

Preview Edit: Everyone who says my cop play is bad for not submitting to good scum and/or says that Magua was 100% confirmed town from NA1's statement is fucking stupid and a bad player.

Bullshit these games are about logic. They're never about logic. These games are about reads and reactions. And your reads have so far sucked, and your reactions so far have sucked. I'm not voting you because of your cop claim. I'm not voting you for your investigations. I'm voting you because your interactions with Nintendo and EPM are downright scummy. Your claim has nothing to do with it. It's your play. I found you scummy D3, and I find you scummy now. I mean, even your post where you claim and vote Goath reeks of scum looking to get the easiest mislynch possible.

[Magua]

Magua, we have 6 guarenteed VT claims already, 3 dead, 3 alive therefore scum are unable to pile on the VT claims meaning they'll all have to fakeclaim giving us copious amounts of information and locking them into a claim that will prove damaging.

Prediction: Of the 6, we'll get two PR claims and 4 VT claims. Now what?

[Magua]

I'm talking about being called dumb constantly in every game of mafia that I play. It wasn't a game-relevant defense. It was me being fucking angry.

I have not called you dumb a single time.

Just scummy.

Very, very, very, very, very scummy.

You, on the other hand, *have* called me dumb. So,
1) Don't confuse me with Regfan,
2) Don't throw stones from glass houses.

[Magua]

Prediction: Of the 6, we'll get two PR claims and 4 VT claims. Now what?

There's 5, but lets say there's 2 PR claims and 3 VT claims that means overall there's only 5 PR claims which means the possiblty of Chesskid+DH scum-team would be ruled out which would lead to the argument that the fact there's a miller in the game means there's a cop, which means that DH would be town.

No. What will convince me of DH being cop is a flip that says, "DemonHybrid, Town Cop, has died"

You, on the other hand, seem to be starting from the assumption that DH *is* the cop, and then using massclaim as a way to gain evidence to prove that he is.

I was called dumb. I said you're -being- dumb. You're saying "Well, you're a hypocrite".

Yes. I'm saying that if you don't like being called dumb, you should not go and call people, particularly people who aren't the ones calling you dumb, dumb. Nor have I said anything bad about you, or your play, or your choices. All I have said about you is that you're scum, and I don't believe you're telling the truth.

So if you could kindly show me the same courtesy in return, that'd be great.

Now, let's talk about Gaoth. Hasn't been on site since Tuesday. You think he's scum, which was...mmm...D2. May or may not have missed N2, certainly missed D3 and N3. You think he's scum. Who do you think his partner is?

[Magua]

@Mod:

Please shoot Goath a PM telling him the Day has started.

[Magua]

Magua for lvp, btw.

Every game I've seen where you were town, you've played the game shouting out who the scum are, being really aggressive, and in general pushing for your target's lynch.

Here, you're not. Here, you're almost calm.

And I find the cases you're pushing to be really weak. You oscillate between "DH has two days to find scum before he dies," which indicates a disbelief in DH's claim, followed by "Regfan's the godfather," which works only if you believe DH's claim.

So Regfan's the godfather? Who's his partner?

[Magua]

My thoughts on the scumhunter lynch:

Spoiler: My thoughts on the scumhunter modkill

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Erm, anyways. Assuming four scum, we have one mislynch available to us.

I'm town, Regfan is town, Pine is town. I'm pretty goddamn sure that diddin is town.

I am content to not lynch DemonHybrid today. If he's really the cop and he lives till tomorrow, he gets another report, and if he's really the cop and he dies tonight, well, good thing I didn't lynch him. I don't trust him, as was made evident yesterday, but there you go. Don't want to argue about it, especially not with Regfan. Anyways, not lynching him today, moving on.

So:

3. Chesskid3: Regfan, I'd like to remind you that Chesskid can be mafia regardless of DH being cop or being mafia.

4. Gorilla: My hiccup with Gorilla being mafia occurs around the D2 votecount in #517:

Tarsonisocelot (3):

Nintendoaddict1

, Gorilla,

evilpacman18

Gorilla is surprisingly often found next to evilpacman or Nintendoaddict in the D1 vote counts as well.

13. c-worl - Innocent from DH report. Blah, blah, blah, godfather, blah.

14. tarsonisocelot - That's one hardcore bus going on by scum if true.

I'm going to play around with the possible teams. The problem is that not many of them make a lot of sense.

@DemonHybrid:

Don't investigate diddin. Investigate gorilla.

[Magua]

For some reason thought only one scum had died, even as I was highlighting two in the vote count.

Maths is tech.

Level of caring is less, then. Prefer to lynch Chesskid in that case.

[Magua]

But today is before lylo!

[Magua]

You didn't say the day before lylo.

Also, looking over things, I'm recanting my gorilla-is-town-based-on-VCA. I think gorilla is more likely scum than tarsonis off of sheer gut and the way gorilla always seems to be on the wagon of the weakest players.

Lynch preference:

chesskid3
gorilla
tarsonis
C-worl

[Magua]

You want to lynch chesskid, first post claimed miller with a cop?

Did I miss the point where "I'm miller" transformed into "I'm clear"?

Though I question why I shouldn't investigate diddin when gorilla is being lynched the next day anyway. diddin could very well be mafia with a WIFOMable ability.

Because if you live, and you give an inno on gorilla or tarsonis (and I'm approaching 98% certainty that they are not mafia partners), whichever is still alive, then that changes what we're going to do, now doesn't it? Whereas if you get an inno on diddin, then we're all like, "Herpaderp".

I mean, goddamn. Here's what I'm not getting about your POV: You're all "diddin could be a *scum* 1-shot reviver, I need to check!", but on the other hand, you're all "chesskid claimed miller, so he must be town".

[Magua]

VOTE: Gorilla

[Magua]

Scum claiming miller: These are all from page 1 of google for "site:mafiascum.net scum claim miller"

Go Play in Traffic!
Post #5: Animorpherv1 (scum) claims miller.

Mafia 96: Murder in Emerald City
Post #12: Kublai Khan (scum) claims miller

Mini 753: Really Deep South
In the archives, so no post #s, but Albert B. Rampage (scum) claims miller in his second post.

The reason I want you to investigate whichever of tarsonis/gorilla is alive is because our game plan will change if you get an inno. And, hey, if you get a guilty like you pretty much have to expect that you will, and we lynch that person and they flip mafia, I'll shut up about a DemonHybrid+chesskid scumteam. Isn't that worth something?

[Magua]

This should more or less confirm the existence of a godfather, which would help us out MASSIVELY. Like a great fucking deal.

Er.

Er.

Not following.

I mean, I like the chesskid lynch. That part's fine. But how does chesskid flipping scum *or* miller confirm the existence of a godfather, and, perhaps more apropos, how does the confirmed existence of a godfather help us out massively?

[Magua]

Because if CK flips miller, we can expect no godfather and everyone that was investigated will be clear.

No. I mean, just from personal experience, Fast Food Mafia had both a miller and a godfather, as did Harry Potter Mafia.

If CK flips godfather, we solved a shitload of problems.

There is no way, no how that CK is godfather. Godfather claiming miller == pants on head.

All that said, I simply disagree with Regfan on having a chesskid townread. I don't have this thing.

[Magua]

Regfan, Tarsonis is town. Agree/disagree.

[Magua]

I'm coming around on DemonHybrid town, though.

[Magua]

Also, claiming miller as godfather is a surprisingly good play. This playerlist is competent and no competent cop would investigate someone who says they will turn up guilty regardless.

Why would a godfather, who investigates as *innocent*, claim miller, who investigates as *guilty*?

Even with the argument, "Who'd investigate a miller?", you're throwing away the advantage of the godfather (they investigate as *innocent*) and keeping a partner from the advantage of claiming miller (cop won't investigate them).

Chesskid is not a godfather. That's pants-on-head. You have a goon claim miller, because it keeps the cop investigation off of them, and makes it more likely that the cop investigation will *hit* a godfather.

Magua, disagree. She's scum. Read her post where she voted Gorilla it's essentially "I can't be scum with gorilla!"

Er. I agree that she can't be scum with gorilla.

What about the idea that gorilla's attacks this game have been on Talapus and tarsonis. Easy targets. You think that's town play for him?

[Magua]

Lynch gorilla.

DH investigates tarsonis.

If DH lives with guilty on tarsonis, we lynch tarsonis. Fun times!
If DH lives with inno on tarsonis...mmmm....tough call. Chesskid or C-worl. Fight fight!

PEdit: DemonHybrid, here's the thing. No chain of events except a godfather flip will confirm the existence of a godfather. Chesskid flipping miller does not confirm a godfather. Chesskid flipping scum does not confirm a godfather. I've linked games that had both millers and godfathers. I've linked games that had scum claiming miller with and without godfathers.

Please stop thinking about it as a logic puzzle and just identify who you think the scum are.

[Magua]

So I *might* have been wrong about DemonHybrid[1]





[1] Or he could be a reverse death miller. Jus' sayin'.

[Magua]

I think Pine may be the last mafia.

[Magua]

In all seriousness, I find C-worl-godfather more likely than tarsonis-mafia.

[Magua]

pine was revived you dipshit

But maybe in reviving he went from being a VT to a scum JOAT-godfather.

Do I *really* need to make a case on Tarsons to prove it to you because that seems like effort.

I don't want a case. I'm thinking. It takes me awhile.

[Magua]

Daykill: C-worl

VOTE: tarsonisocelot

[Magua]

My dayvig didn't go through =(

[Magua]

Fun fact: I had a 100% voting-mafia record, as soon as the mod clears up that error about DemonHybrid not being mafia.

Have to disagree on Nintendo playing a good game. No offense to Nintendo, like I said, I think it's his first scum game, but his play D2 led directly to his lynch, followed by EPM's lynch D3, as well as leading Regfan to believe I was clear, which in turn led me to believe Regfan was clear. That right there set the game on rails for me.

Of the mafia, tarsonis was the only one who I voted not being >90% sure they were going to flip mafia.

[Magua]

Regfan is just jelly that my mafia voting record in this game was so much better than his.

Also, yes, I was paranoid about DH being a mafia cop fakeclaim; a lot of that was built upon DH-EPM interaction. However, if there's anything good to be gotten out of Scumhunter's modkill, it was that the sheer back-and-forthness between DH and Scumhunter, and then the fallout from that D4, turned me around to a DH townread.

[Magua]

also, vanilla reviver is a REALLY powerful role if you think about it

Vanilla Reviver ain't so much. It's basically the same as using up 1 mafia kill.

Vanilla Reviver + Doctor, on the other hand...

Magua gets hate? He's a pretty good player from what I've seen.

I dumped Regfan recently. He's still bitter.

Charmer seems like a worse version of a 1-shot vig. Looking back at SH's play, I think I would've done the same -- strongly hint that I was a protective role, pick a person I thought was scum (well, at least, I assume SH thought Regfan was scum; hard to tell with SH) and try to get shot.

[Magua]

GROUP HUG

[Magua]

Magua, since I'm such a troll and all you should be grateful I didn't really have a 2-shot ability. I did legit think Regfan was scum after d1. I should have waited longer to pull the trigger on my ability though, but hell self-control is mighty hard for me especially with that type of role. I'm just glad town won. I had my biggest lols in quite some time when DH was freaking out about how my "charmer" picks were omg so much worse than his cop checks when they were on the same obv town as he fail fail checked. Seriously funny stuff. And sad at the same time. If I ever see Magua in a game I will likely be shooting him N1.

Self control and you have such an on again / off again relationship.

Fun fact: I was writing a post defending you and how this wasn't you trolling, and then I hit post to find the thread had been locked.

Then I laughed and laughed and laughed.