Battle for Olympus - Game Over!

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh Iece was the guy with the cop.

YOU COULD HAVE JUST FUCKING SAID THAT JESUS

Are you really claiming that you have

not

read the threat?! O_o

[Shadow Dancer]

Must be real hard to remeber who's the cop...

[Shadow Dancer]

That is in deed kind of an interesting stance. It definitely contradicts your power claim.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Charon: I unvoted in #1403

That you did. Fixing. -Charon

[Shadow Dancer]

@LC, Ooba, Chess:
I) You can prove (certain) negatives, p.e. by disproving the corresponding positives.
II) You can prove or at least advocate that you are town, that being town is not a negative has little to do with it however.
III) There lies very limited truth or evidence in WIFOM.
IV) That doesn't mean anything chess is saying is right. You can look at people's behaviour and discuss different theories on it and decide which one you consider moist likely. If you deny that possibility you categorically deny the possibility to find scum on any grounds and should ask yourself why you are playing mafia at all (this one's mostly to chess).

@Quads: Sure thing, it doesn't matter because yo already treestumped yourself. But please stay aytive because you are still a confirmed townie and being voteless is not at all that bad because if you present good reads you surely have our votes to back you up.

[Shadow Dancer]

@LC: Chess claimed jailkeeper on D1. That means he can block kills by either protection or roleblock. That's why nightkills are clearly among the things he should be concerned about.

[Shadow Dancer]

I'll comment on Axel's stuff once I know what else he has to say.

That's grasping at straws. It was pretty clearly a joke about how he isn't scum preoccupied with who to kill at night, not a general statement about how he is approaching the game.

Chess'

mere existence

whole play is a joke. That doesn't mean I should appreciate or not judge him by it.

[Shadow Dancer]

I see little use in posting any more right now. I'll just wait for 24 hours if Moth and Axel provide anything useful. After that I will vote one of them depending on their content. If we want the whole claim and vote business done until monday we need a full steam waggon tomorrow.

[Shadow Dancer]

No, we won't revive the Alma waggon. Chances are good that his claims are truthful. Having too many claimed townies is still better than having too many mislynched townies.

[Shadow Dancer]

LOL at Magna making people uneasy. I mean, come on - it's Magna. It's what he does.

@Iec: Can you clarify in how far Chronopie's claim timing is suspicious? Why do you bring this up so late?

[Shadow Dancer]

As I understand it Chronopie is not just a double vote granter but a vote Thief/mover. He gave Gandalf's vote to Agar.
As a scum role this would be a pretty lame way to break the game in LyLo... I wouldn't absolutely rule it out, though. As a scum vote mover I would certainly abuse it to gain town credits until giving every one a bad surprise in LyLo.
If anything this might be a good indication of Gandalf being town...

[Shadow Dancer]

Happy scumday, by the way. And after 42 minutes you were already drunk?! O_o

[Shadow Dancer]

If Gand's loss of a vote is an effect of his super he should claim it. But Chronpie could also clarify this.

@Mod: Yes, we need an extension, given that moth is one of the leading waggons right now.

vote moth

anyway, you can switch over, Ooba.

[Shadow Dancer]

We do not at all want to no lynch anyway.
And yes, the whole timing and circumstances of Moth's replacement request reek of scum trying to lynchdodge.
If we don't get a replacement or extansion, lynching blindly might still be better than giving the slot an easy pass.

And... er.... you forgot your signature, -kt.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Charon: If you can bring a replacement in immediately and if whoever it is has really followed the thread as closely as you suggest or at least can manage to do the whole 60++ page catchup business in two days, two days should easily suffice.

@AV: If you want to make yourself useful, tell us who your partners are. If you name two of them to lynch today we will wait with your lynch until D3. Promisse!

[Shadow Dancer]

Will you lynch Iec and confirm Ooba as Greek when I flip town?

Yes, if you flip town in this game I will lynch the hell out of Iec But first you flip scum, so I don't need to care about my promise.

@Agar: I still suggest you use your votes to hammer.

[Shadow Dancer]

But you're there to claim if we just waggon you up, Cons, right?

[Shadow Dancer]

Auro white noise /ignore... (and so many scum claims in it)

@Axel: so if Magna is attacking but a strawman, what was your real argument?

[Shadow Dancer]

Anotther Rb? Blocked Agar (confirmed townie)? (Can you deny or confitm thisw, agar?) And not a word after my and chess' claim? I suggest we lynch thisa guy.

vote confirmed.

[Shadow Dancer]

My super is funny
when I die, everyone I rbed gets rbed for the next two nights

so i'll be Rbing MoI tonight

now i'm baffled. is this chess claiming scum?!?

[Shadow Dancer]

Concerning town Cons super protection:
I agree with AGM being protected. AGM can care for Iec then. AGar is also set. 3rd one would be me. But I would volunteer to be off the list when in doubt, simply because my normal is rather mediocre and I'll likely end up with little information left to claim that would be helpful for town...
Only magna should obviously not be protected. His hated townie status should take care of him when it come to NKs.
I suggest Cons consideres carefully and uses his super now.

[Shadow Dancer]

How can you even tell if Chess' blabla is genuine?

[Shadow Dancer]

Color light blue... Color is definitely flavour related - and this just makes no apparent sense (not that I had an idea what would make sense for Hestia, though... Maybe something fire colored (because of hearth godess...))
If he flips scum this is a true sign that fake PMs aren't

that

elaborate.
@Cons: If you really are a good townie, you don't put Ooba in there instead of Alma, just because he is a scumread of yours. Besides - Alma has a history of being mislynch bait. So don't value your brief impression too much.

[Shadow Dancer]

Finally AV stops being so obnoxiously boring

[Shadow Dancer]

I certainly play like a lyncher O_o

[Shadow Dancer]

@Cons: Have you used your super yet, so we can proceed on either way? (no need to claim exact targets, I guess, but I doubt it would hurt much)

@Ooba: Are you ready to work your magic as promissed?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Ooba: Are you ready to work your magic as promissed?

I've already done what I needed to do since we've decided on the lynches. There's no reason to hold up the lynch for me now ..

Thanks. That's what I needed to know. Waiting for Cons' confirmation. Then we can lynch.

[Shadow Dancer]

If he doesn't confirm in his next post/within the next few hours, we lynch him without further ado.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Axel: So what? Do you consider Chronopie scum or is this whole thing just a "too scummy to be scum" theory as you suggest somewhere in between?

[Shadow Dancer]

BEWARE, FULLCLAIM INCOMING:

Behold Poseidon, Greek God of TheSea and Earthquakes.

You know the sea-part already - It's my normal which allows me to submerge some one, roleblocking and one-shot kill protecting him/her.

The Earthquake part is my Seismic MOnitor super power. Sadly I cannot make any earthquakes (damn you, Charon ;P) but I am highly sensible to even the slightest tremor which happens if any god uses his or her SUper Power.During the next two Day/night phases after my super's activation.

I used it at the beginning of N1.

-In N1 two players used their super.

Snow_Bunny

and

Dekes

. My former suspicio of Dekes ws mostly based on the two erroneous two assumptions that this whole hellfire business was a super power effect and that it makes absolutely no sense flavour-wise coming from Snow and thus must be cuased by Dekes.
-At the beginning of D1

Iec

claims use of his super on AV. I can confirm this.
-

AV

claims to have used his super.

He did not

(lying scum confirmed)

.
-

Alma

claims that he used his super and he did.
-

Quadz

treestumps himself. I obviously can confirm it...
-

ooba

does something before the lynch - guess what, he used his super.
-

ConSpiracy

says he'd use his super...

And so far never did. Very very likely scum!

Entering N2 my super ceases to work, so I can claim this now. I hope it helps you on your night decisions, more so than it helps scum at least.
Giving that ConS is most likely going to flip scum I can't count on night protection and prefer to have this info out right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Yeah, this is just too much of a shitload of important info to take the slightest risk of losing it for town. Man, am I happy that I managed to post this before Charon closed the thread.

[Shadow Dancer]

IMPORTANT NEWS: CONS JUST USED HIS SUPER!

[Shadow Dancer]

(I wonder why he did it after my claim O_o)
MEANING THAT IF YOU FLIP TOWN I AM COMING FOR YOU IN YOUR WORST NIGHTMARES AND RL LYNCH YOU, CONS!!!

[Shadow Dancer]

To me Iec's normal seems to be useless insane shizz for the lulz...
Chronopie, have you confirmed or denied that your double vote grant also caused Gand to lose his vote yesterday? I cannot remember.

Castrated - how does that suggest a norse scum team, Ooba?

Another possinility for the lack of kills tonight is that egyptian scum team was eliminated. What is the normal number of scum in a game this size? 3/3 seems pretty hard for town to me.

Vote count will show if I have a double vote. I did not receive a message telling me about my grace, though.

So Gand is a redirector, not a busdriver... Voting LC seems tempting. I have to think about it.

I don't like Alma still being all "Pikapikah?!"...

Gandalf, are you going to bring light into the darkness of your yesterday's claim shambles any time soon? I'd like to have something as a basis to trust you before I follow you into an LC lynch...

[Shadow Dancer]

Good thought.
Zeus sounds like a good target for a revive.

[Shadow Dancer]

I know.

vote LC

4 votes is well deserved.

[Shadow Dancer]

I still don't really trust Gand, but on the other hand if he is really anti-town and misleading he's dug a pretty deep hole for himself by now. I really await him to claim because of this, though...
But if you had nothing to do with Axel's death you could at least carefully start with claiming the rather inoccuous fact whom you really tatgeted tonight.

[Shadow Dancer]

And what was the effect you got from doing that?

[Shadow Dancer]

You mean because Shiva cult is somewhat related to phallus-symbolism? And why should Iec

not

target you to confirm his (in-)sanity?! In your last post you axplicitely asked him to do so.

[Shadow Dancer]

Any flavour related to your abilty failing?
And what exactly does it do?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gand:
i) You could claim worthwhile info without revealing your role name, if you consider it appropriate.
ii) If you wanted to confirm Iec as town or scum, based on known sanity (explicitely not insanity obviously) of his role, concealing your role name would make sense. But since you only want to determine his sanity, based on the pretty much confirmed assumption that he is town and speaking the truth, claiming your name should not spoil it.

Don't worry, I am pretty much with you on your thoughts on LC.

[Shadow Dancer]

No flavor, just the message that it failed. It lets me talk to the person I target for the following Day and Night.

And you targeted Snoe_bunny because ... ?!?

[Shadow Dancer]

OK... *tiredpost* so don't expect any brilliant brakethroughs right now... Just some random thoughts/summaries.
I think we have a full LC claim by now and should not rush things...

Unvote

So the vote things are both explained now... No VC yet Agar, have you received a PM indicating you have been granted grace yesterday?
Iec not dead is easily explained by Alma or some one else protecting the cop (duh!) or scum just not even attempting to kill him because of likely protection, though scum might have a superkill superpower... But we don't know that and two scum are dead already.
Magna hints he is an inventor. Super power maybe. Or an active additional to his passive?... Pointless speculations right now I guess...
Chrono claims permanent double vote granter as a super... Things become more and more interesting...
Gandalf claims presens of a kind of double-use-for-cost-of vote motivator...
I would have expected that LC had targeted Snow Bunny over diddin or Plum to ask her about her Super use, which I claimed. I find his explanation rather lacking in persuasiveness.
I don't care about Chess' derpderp , he certainly won't shut up even if LC flips town, Gand has good arguments/evidence, but they aren't as stringent as he claims. LC wasn't a scum read of mine... But on the other hand I feel a lack of strong scum reads right now.
I think I need to reread Chronos once again...

[Shadow Dancer]

@LC: How is your ability impossibe to confirm. The neighborhood part is easily confirmed. And I think there are ways to confirm comunication with dead players. Nothing confirms your alignent, though.
What I ask myself: Who would motivate Gandalf after his D1 stunt?
Does any one want to claim to have been motivated tonight?

[Shadow Dancer]

Gandalf has way too many shenanigans going on. And I don't like the persistence that he wanted to be checked out by Iece several times. Smells rather of godfatherism than confirming Iece's role. If it weren't for the execution on Day 1, I'd vote you over LC. However, if you're right, congrats.

I got a thought tonight: What if Iec is in fact

insane

, i.e. if he targets scum he gets a greek result. Going by the theory that scum got elaborate fake claims he could as well receive their fake claims as role name - I only doubt that scum Gand would know about this mechanism.

And, gandalf, what reason exactly did you have for withholding the info about your additional redirect of SD yesterday? IIRC, you already were a claimed redirector by then. Would've saved us a lot of unnecessary discussion.

QFT.

I wonder why you don't even mention my full claim with one sigle word, Dekes.

[Shadow Dancer]

Ask and ye shall receive a votecount.

Vote Count

LordChronos [4]

- AlmasterGM, ooba, AGar, gandalf5166

Not Voting [8]

- Chronopie, Shadow Dancer, Iecerint, Dekes, Gemini, MagnaofIllusion, LordChronos, chesskid3

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is Saturday, June 4th, 2011, 10:00PM PST.

Obviously neither me nor any one else got a double vote... I did not block Pie. Did you,

Chess

(bolded so he realizes I'm talking to him)?

[Shadow Dancer]

I blocked lc. Votes off plz? Though only 1 death shrug

Oh, Ok... I see. Either some one is lying or there's a yet unknown scum RB hiding somewhere...

[Shadow Dancer]

I blocked lc. Votes off plz? Though only 1 death shrug

But somehow the kill still gets redirected to that rando? Wut?

Yes. Things start to get interesting. If we have to start to lynch somewhere I would like to start with chess over Chronos any time, though.

[Shadow Dancer]

LC, could you elaborate a bit more on the flavour of your role and powers?

[Shadow Dancer]

In case I missed it … who did you Jail last Night?

I jailed neither Pie nor LC nor Gand... This is where at least one of these and Chess is very likely lying.
Snow as a huntress could have had a killing super.
Dekes - I already said he should adress this matter.
Hepheistos inventor was Snow's role in Greek Mythology

Gand, if you are sure that Chess is scum (backing up LC buddy), why aren't you voting for Chess now? No matter how you look at things, Chess is right now more likely scum than Chronos!

[Shadow Dancer]

If we are indeed in multi-scum it may be worthwhile to make sure you N2 protect doesn’t get lost (as it may give important information down the line).

Please consider that I am also an RB which means a blocked kill can mean either of two things: Either I blocked a kill or protected the target of a kill.

[Shadow Dancer]

About possible scum gambit: I guess he used a safe claim. But it could have been some one else's.
But Chess already claimed Aphrodite...
I don't know. We should also consider other possibilities.
Gemini Hydra could as well be scum. They were on the Axel waggon over Moth way too long yesterday. And being a hydra with daytalk means that all their posts were composed very carefully.
Dekes is another one to have an eye on.
Practically having two lynches again means we should be very careful again. Maybe we should use a fakevote like

vig <name>

to assign a target for Oec first.

vig chess

seems quite practical right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Just because there are a lot of gods in the Egyptian pantheon doesn't mean they're prominent. I can only name two Egyptian gods(SORT OF) off the top of my head: Isis and something that sounds like Nebulis(I know that isn't his name or even really very, but it's what is stuck in my head). If there were only one scumteam, they would be a conglomerate of several religions or something like that. Or at least something big, like Norse or Hindu.

Osiris, Seth, Apophis (without an h behind the first p, Ooba, it's a snake deity and kind of the bad guy that fights sungod re every night.), Anubis, Re, Apis... Gandalf you're fucking stupid. That you don't know things doen't mean they aren't there... (Have you never watched Stargate?)

Here's a list, and it's far from complete (I think I saw a better list somewhere in wikipedia, but couldn't find it).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eg ... ient_Egypt

Lightning Bolt. It's the same item Jack killed me with the the original GM mafia. <_<

Too bad he isn't here for the vengeance. Try and use it on Andy And yeah, Andi Charon scum stole it from dead Snow Hepheistos - we could have a scum role stealer in this game, too. Andy loved his role!

- ConSpiracy was either not lying, or his mafia team had a roleblocker.
- Diddin shot Snow_Bunny N1.
- The "castrated" kill flavor is the only one to show up N1 and N2. Slaughtered was Diddin's flavor. "Turned to Sand" may have been the Egyptians flavor.

QFT.

[Shadow Dancer]

Ooba, please read. LC already claimed that Baby had little to say and Snow contact failed, which has been more than confirmed by now.

I would like

some

kind of response from Ooba and Dekes considering their use of super powers.

[Shadow Dancer]

AND I already claimed that I did NOT block Pie.

[Shadow Dancer]

Concerning vig theories: Snow could have been a vig (huntress flavour), but I doubt that because of kill flavours. Snow's gory sliced into pieces kill flavour is most likely a hint to Ares, god of Slaughter and bloodshet - Plus - Ares vig would actually be another role taken over from Greek Mythology mini.
Turned to Sand <-> Egypt. Little doubt about that.
Castrated... Happened twice so not a super (power) kill. Most likely another scum team or an SK. Or scum have a regular vig power, but that's very unlikely.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gandalf... There are passives, actives and supers which could be anything... Nothing in the rules states that a super cannot be passive, reflexive or on death.

[Shadow Dancer]

Shut up. Chess. I am still waiting for any suggestion what

you

will do if you turn out to be wrong.

[Shadow Dancer]

Concerning Gandalf's claim about a motivator - no one lost his vote today. Either the motivator was blocked or it was a super effect or the motivator is dead. Does motivator make sense for any of {Isis, Basted, Persephone, Artemis} ?

[Shadow Dancer]

Thinking about using my super on Axel. If someone has a compelling reason for me not to do so, please let me know.

It's good. Law and order also means he might be informational - he has three nights of possible results .. Do it ..

I second.

[Shadow Dancer]

No cute spell as with Quadz?

[Shadow Dancer]

News from the land of the dead: Axelrod's super was called Omnipotence and basically meant he wouldn't die the first time he was killed, whether by night-kill or lynch or vig etc. However, the power had one exception, (mod said so). Axel assumes that this exception is why he died last night, but he wasn't given any info as to what killed him.

So what is the exception?
What was Axel's normal?
And why do I need to explicitely ask you for important infos like this?

[Shadow Dancer]

Also, SD, I don't recall this. Did you super catch Ooba using his super? Because he claimed to have used it yesterday, when your Super was still on, I think.

Originally ooba said he wanted to do something at L-1.
Then it clearly turneed out that AV/Moth would be the lynches and I received a mod PM telling me that ooba had use his super.
Consequently I asked ooba if he was prepared to do what he had announced. He said he already had (anything else would have confirmed him as a liar, but he couldn't know that at that point).
Then after lynch had occured I posted my full claim, revealing that the "thing" ooba did was using his super.
Check our ISOs to check!

[Shadow Dancer]

Also, by the way, Axel is string claiming cause he doesn't fully trust me and wants to make sure I deliver accurate info. He clarified that he was told the exception to his super is what killed him but he doesn't get to know it until he moves to Forgotten by the Mortals.

Will he ever move there, now that you can permanently talk to him? I mean - as long as he talks ha can hardly be forgotten... (Though we aren't mortals )

[Shadow Dancer]

So we will never know what killed him... But maybe we have a superkilling SK or he was double targeted, though I doubt the latter. The step from lynch candidate to urgent NK is far too steep.
Yes, you answered my question. I was typing it while reading along and had not read your next post when I asked.
I just hope his third is something with useful and peferably confirmable information O_o

[Shadow Dancer]

Did SD get a PM telling him about his redirection from Dekes to AV on Night 1? Also, who did he jail on N2 and is there a reason not to say who?

I had now clue of any kind I was redirected or blocked on N1. The info whom I jailed N2 is not helpful right now. It might provide some confirmation, though, so I don't want to spoil that right now. Depending on how the day goes I might do a late claim as my full claim yesterday.
I already made clear that I was not involved in the blocks/redirects that play a role in the whole Gand/LC/Chess/Chrono mess...

[Shadow Dancer]

seeign as they'll be double rbed when I die i'd rather it remain hidden

Why? If your claim is true they cannot avoud it anyway, but it could provide useful info for town (though it would be most useful if you had blocked some NK, which you haven't - all under the assumption you're speaking the truth).

[Shadow Dancer]

LC, here's the thing:

Axelrod last visited the site on ..

Last visited: Wed May 20, 2011 9:42 pm

which was even before the day started!

So all this QT creation (which you had to do in-thread lol) and questions for Axel is a fraud and nothing more than a role\night action fishing attempt while saving your own skin.

Die, scum, die!!

This is in deed interesting - however, when I look up Axel's profile the "last visited" tag is blank... Also - what does it register? Every time you lock in under a user name?

[Shadow Dancer]

I prefer to lynch peopler based on stuff I actually understand - so: What and where are those Utils in the first place?

[Shadow Dancer]

I wish at least one of you (SD\MoI) had caught on and supported me on this ..

Sorry. My name's not Fate / GreyICE / Chesskid or any of the others who support "Lulz crazy gambits for gambits sake".

I only support people who convince with stuff I can check and confirm myself and not some made up nonsense, sorry.

[Shadow Dancer]

@LC: Was testing you out - of course there is nothing on utils .. Basically it's because I find this entire Axel thing suspicious ..
- Why do you have to do it in thread ?? (Commune)

He never claimed he

had

to do it in thread!

- A super claim which has an exception. The only exception to a super I can think of is another super like a scum super kill which passes all blocks - why would they use it on Axel instead of Iece?

And why do you overlook the more obvious problem with this assumption - that "castrated" kill flavour appeared twice and thus cannot be a (on shot) super.

[Shadow Dancer]

@LC: Was testing you out - of course there is nothing on utils .. Basically it's because I find this entire Axel thing suspicious ..
- Why do you have to do it in thread ?? (Commune)
- A super claim which has an exception. The only exception to a super I can think of is another super like a scum super kill which passes all blocks - why would they use it on Axel instead of Iece?
- These bunch of questions - "Who did AGM Doc protect on N2. Is there a reason not to say?"

I wish at least one of you (SD\MoI) had caught on and supported me on this ..

I'm actually now not sure I needed to use commune in thread, I don't think. I was not thinking that clearly when I posted it in thread.

Oh my god. If only I had thought of that before making it up. After all, claiming that Axel's super had an exception adds so much to my credibility here. /sarcasmoff

What about the bunch of questions do you find suspicious exactly?

Just the fact that he'd ask so many questions. If I was a dead guy I'd concentrate on the following
- Try to prove to the others that the Conduit (person who talks to dead people aka Bruce Willis) is not lying - Maybe show them a breadcrumb I posted earlier or claim something which I would know
- Use role info I have to ferret out scum i.e ask for specific claim(s) from someone and see if I can counterclaim
These questions are far too generic to serve any purpose. Questions like "Who did chess block N1" almost seem to be designed so that other scum buddies claiming today won't be caught in a counterclaim ..

And why should dead Axel not use the chance to do some scum hunting if he sees things unadressed that he things town should know about?
And why should Axel trust LC any more than we do?
And why would Axel crumb if he doesn't have any investigatio results?

[Shadow Dancer]

isis is likely scum rber kthx

Magic and womanhood -> where exactly does it suggest RB? Fake claim is a fake claim. Don't take it for something else.

[Shadow Dancer]

- Axel could have crumbed "Zeus"

Could...

- "He never claimed he had to do it in thread!" - and the point being? I am acusing him of lying and if you're telling me he actually did it in thread when he didn't have to then its a point on my side ..

A point with no score... How's it scummy to do it in thread?

- Give me another power which could override a super power protect. A scum super mass roleblock comes to mind but Iece got his result.

Iec got hius normal result - and why does a super RB need to be a mass effect?

[Shadow Dancer]

- Axel could have crumbed "Zeus"
- "He never claimed he had to do it in thread!" - and the point being? I am acusing him of lying and if you're telling me he actually did it in thread when he didn't have to then its a point on my side ..
- Give me another power which could override a super power protect. A scum super mass roleblock comes to mind but Iece got his result.
And I didn't ask you to lynch him based on the stunt I pulled. I wanted reactions - I can see the last egyptian going "Ah shucks I tried" without verifying it ..

Wow, that'd be useful. Axel pointing out a Zeus crumb when he is mod-confirmed to be Zeus.

It's not about confirming Axel but about confirming

you

...

[Shadow Dancer]

Yeah... That whole "exception" thing is inconvenient at best... But there are way too many possibilities right now to render a final verdict.
And then Chronos has a point - why would he undermine his claim by claiming all this inconvenient stuff. But I am not very fond of this WIFOM either.
The whole "Axel doesn't really trust me and is only delivering bit by bit" stuff though is very plausible and gives Chronos' claim some credibility in my opinion.

[Shadow Dancer]

OK. Let's look somewhere else.
Gemini.
Let's vig Gemini.
Yes, I

am

paranoid.
But by PoE - give me one good reason why Gemini isn't scum ("town read" is not at all an acceptable reason).

[Shadow Dancer]

Nice mod-outguessing But how could we tell if he is really offline or just hidden?

[Shadow Dancer]

In response to MoI's theory about chesskid3 - it's either true or chesskid was roleblocked. There has still not been any explanation why AXELROD of all people would end up dead of all people. I definitely buy LC-scum for that reason.

And yet another Pokemon who doesn't follow the thread.
LC was supposedly blocked by chess, hence chess needs to be scum for LC to be scum based on Gand's claim.

[Shadow Dancer]

I made an invention which I held onto to see what it produced. The result was Meh.

Meh? Meh what? Meh like mod incredibly vague, meh like shitty item (i.e. not the vig you gave to Iec)?

[Shadow Dancer]

1. No, we have no proof about Conspiracy being a RB other than his word, which means exactly zilch.
2. How does Chesskid claiming exclude the possibility that he and Conspiracy ran a gambit based on Chesskid’s N1 target?

I’m not saying I strongly believe it. However the way that Conspiracy framed his claim and the surrounding “Look into Chesskid when I flip Town” smells. He knew he wasn’t flipping Town so why say all that? What does Scum gain?

And now I see later on you claim you know Conspiracy was a RB. Hmmmm …

Really?!?! Notice to self: Reread Dekes' most recent posts!!!

LC's claim that Axel had a 1-shot Execution Power effectively places KC in a 1 V 1 with Gandalf today. Unless Iec wants to solve that issue with the application of 10,000 volts of hot Daykill I don't see any reason to lynch outside those two today.

Agreed. I still haven't seen anything from Gandalf, besides his obsessed "I am confirmed down. Duuuuh!" squealing ) that would contradict the scum executor+redirector theory. I want a Gand full claim to wipe the floor of his D2 play and all those "mysterious hints" with - if any thing keep sticking he shall be toast!

[Shadow Dancer]

We get the role PM without any buddy names or QT links.

Talkings abot this: I have also no buddies/neighbors/mason partners. I am not in LC's neighbourhood. I think we should try and comfirm this neighbourhood now.

[Shadow Dancer]

Shadow Dancer, Poseidon, Greek God of

TheSea

and Earthquakes

Hey! That's

my

typo^TM. Yor're not allowed to use it!

[Shadow Dancer]

I am town. I believe my town reads on Dekes, gandalf. Agar's recent posts have worried me. Other than him there are LC, Chrono, Chess & AGM.

Why do you consider that

you

trust

your

town reads such a relavant fact in deciding whom to investigate?

[Shadow Dancer]

Got it, if it is 3/3, these are the scum teams
Norse(?): Agar, Chess, AGM
+ last Egyptian (LC)

If it is 4/2, Egyptians are dead and
Norse(?): Agar, Chess, AGM + Dekes

But I'd put my money on the 3/3.

---

Anyway, my vote is for you to please use your ability on Agar.

From a long term perspective, I can see all of these other people being scrutinized\lynched - except for Agar.

And you're suddenly so paranoid about Agar because?

[Shadow Dancer]

Because I went through the ISOs and he's scum.

Oh, cmon. Don't turn all chess on me now.

My bit: Dekes and Ooba would both be good targets to investigate.

[Shadow Dancer]

Crappy item. I have a list of 5 things that can be made into items. The list contains some pretty odd items. I chose to forge an item that I didn’t think I was likely to predict what it produced as a test of Mod’s thought processes. The item was not impressive due to the nature of the game currently.

So that one was obviously not, what you gave to Iec...

[Shadow Dancer]

I think Gandalf should claim first.
With all the crap he's talked yesterday I am really confident he'll stumble about his own lies if he mad any. I would prefer an investigation on some one less transparent, i.e. Dekes or Ooba.

[Shadow Dancer]

So... You can only forge an item or use one at a time, right? Or could you forge it in N(x) and use it on D(x+1)?
And that was why you asked Iec about overwriting his standard night action, right?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Magna: All well and fine, but have you played with LC before, Magna? All this sounds to me like typical LC play. I don't say he is town, but I'd feel at huge tretch to call him scum for that.

@Gand: So I have your word there is no - absolutely zero - info left to claim from you (not only concerning your role but all knowledge you have ever received durind the course of this game so far)?

[Shadow Dancer]

@Gand: So I have your word there is no - absolutely zero - info left to claim from you (not only concerning your role but all knowledge you have ever received durind the course of this game so far)?

Yes.

*BING**ZONG**TADA!!!*
BUZZWORD!!! Gandalf post by post reread initiated...

[Shadow Dancer]

What stops you to just do it?

[Shadow Dancer]

lemme go check myu pm and make sure i blocked LC and not chrono

brb

*Facepalm*

[Shadow Dancer]

But how likely is it that Agar could possibly scum. It's a WIFOM argument, of course, but how likely is Agar scum fake-confirming me as town?

[Shadow Dancer]

ooba sounds like nervously droping some decoy around. Lot's of thin air setup spec, but not wanting to find "the last egypt"...
I would investigate right here.

[Shadow Dancer]

I really don't like Ooba's latest argumentation. It seems far too selective and focussed on rather forced scum tells...

[Shadow Dancer]

Hmm... Apollon/Artemis mason team - he could have easily just caught that from GM. Too bad (or convenient O_o) that his supposed sister is dead and cannot confirm him...

How do you explain that S_B and I never ever unvoted diddin for several weeks,

my weak attempt at distancing to her

but never following up on it and Bunny and me calling each other town without interaction and based without any reasons? I can give you her tracking target and her Super, if you want. Tracked diddin N1 and Super is a tracking chain.

Why would masons bother to distance from one another anyway?!?! This reeks so fishy, I can't stand it.

[Shadow Dancer]

Tracked diddin N1 and Super is a tracking chain.

Some one look for Dekes hinting at Diddin being definite vig. I cannot remeber him adressing that theory even once...
Tracking chain?! How does it work?

[Shadow Dancer]

Factional power is a nightkill with flavor of burned to death.

NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BURNED TO DEATH!!! WTF is this shit? I got a very odd feeling that some one must be really crazy.

[Shadow Dancer]

Masons distance so that scum don't notice that they're masons...........

Only purpose of masons is to be confirmed townies at one point or another in the game. In a PR-overloaded game like this it is not at all that significant when it comes to NK decisions. So why bother...
Arg. I am tired, I can't think clearly.
You know, I really wanna believe Dekes. Apollo, mason with Artemis, was my role in Greek Mythology mini (Artemis was Iec). And Andy copied a lot from that game - but he could as well be misleading us...

[Shadow Dancer]

WAIT ONE SECOND

If Dekes is Egyptian, why would he say he had role info saying that mothrax was a roleblocker?

Did he? Dekes, did you, where, how'd you know?

[Shadow Dancer]

I find it suspect that we have both Masons and Neighbors in the same set-up.

That would definitely leave a black mark on LC...

[Shadow Dancer]

Factional power is a nightkill with flavor of burned to death.

NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BURNED TO DEATH!!! WTF is this shit? I got a very odd feeling that some one must be really crazy.

Each member of the faction would have different kill flavors.

I just came up with the most convincing reason not to kill Dekes: He's the last of his faction most likely, since he's Egyptian. So if ANYBODY shows up as burnt to death, we lynch him immediately. If we ever have a night with two kills and no burnt to death flavor, Dekes is confirmed town and we kill Gemini. Meantime: Chess or LC?

@SD: Do you READ? Honestly. He watched AGar and saw mothrax target him.

So - was it Isis or Basted who turned people into sand?

[Shadow Dancer]

I find it suspect that we have both Masons and Neighbors in the same set-up.

That would definitely leave a black mark on LC...

No, because there are two other neighbors who are presumably still alive(or LC would have claimed them).

I see no reason for LC not to claim them, to be honest.

[Shadow Dancer]

Right now I am just happy that Iec has to make this decission. Not that I could see any real reason for scum Gemini to make up a fake result.
@Gemini: Why did you pick Dekes, btw? I think hardly any one mentioned him besides me.

[Shadow Dancer]

Gemini copying her own kill flavour would also not at all explain that it is a kill flavour that so far has just not appeared at all!

[Shadow Dancer]

Too much speculation. Then she's either 3rd scum faction/SK or factional kills have no factional flavour... Having "castrated" twice make sthe latter mor unlikely, but only by a minimal amount...
Dekes explicitely said "byebye SB" in his first D2 post, no word about Diddin and little things like this... His whole behaviour towards SB makes some sense as unexperienced mason behaviour...
Dekes doesn't list any game in his wiki, so it's hard to check if he really didn't play any mason roles before.
Right now I really feel like vigging Gemini... That being said - let me sleep a night over it. I really feel only halfway sane right now. I'd better go to sleep. Good night.

[Shadow Dancer]

Have to think about why Dekes kill failed .. SD, did you target Dekes yesterday?

Nope. But there's still a lot of protection flying around.

[Shadow Dancer]

- I believe the power part of Dekes claim - aka the perma watch on chess - Just surprised that AGM scumdoc wouldn't have protected chess yesterday given that I-who-they-might-think-is-probscum hinted at shooting chess yesterday ..

I know, right? It's funny how those things that aren't true never seem to happen.

?!

[Shadow Dancer]

Andrius' games usually have different kill flavors for each member of any given scumteam. See LOTR. Resurgence didn't, but that was generic mafia flavor.

Hm? Resurgence and LOTR are those two of four Andrius main mod games that did.
Given that this is also a flavour and PR heavy game as LOTR. OK, bye bye factional kill flavour hypothesis.
And bye bye norse scum team hypothesis!
Seriously, "turned to sand" does neither point towards Isis nor Bastet. So there would need to be another egyptian if Dekes is Ra.
Killing Dekes is the only right play in this situation, btw. And objectively there's little to do otherwise.

[Shadow Dancer]

Interesting tidbit: I have reason to believe scum have daytalk.

Explain!

And these:

Originally I had info which led me to believe mothrax was town

There was a reason that I believed mothrax could be a doc.

I can confirm that Conspiracy was the roleblocker

Watched AGar Night 1, mothrax and Chronopie visited him. AGM Night 2, no visitors.

Was Agar RBed? I cannot remember.

Claim: Apollo, Greek God of Sun, Music and Archery

Is there any reference to the Music and Archery references in your role flavours?

And I hinted at my result that I saw Chrono.

Haven't seen it. Quote please.

When Gemini flips scum, I'll still be a liability with that result of hers

Why would scum faking a result on you make you a liability O_o ?

I can confirm that Bunny used her power, too

This on the other hand...

[Shadow Dancer]

I am torn... Mind says cookie-cutter Dekes vigging is the onlky right move to take... Gut strongly suggests I want to see Gemin dead...

[Shadow Dancer]

Something else: Has any one claimed to have been motivated tonight, yet? Would confirm an important part of Gand's claims.

List of Gandalf's claims.

N1 I was targeted by someone(I don't know who) and I was allowed to action twice. There was no flavor with that message. As I said, however, the way the PM was phrased made it sound like I was having my vote taken away as a consequence of me gaining an extra action. I redirected Iec to AGM AND I redirected SD to AV. So we know SD isn't an SK or AV would be dead.

As for my flavor name, I am Eris, Greek God of Chaos and Discord. My rolename is a sort of purplish-pink(magenta?) Good thing I checked too, cause up until I checked just now I thought it was black for some reason >.> My Normal is called Chaos, and my Super is Eclipse. I have no passive(I think I might have already said that, but just to be sure).

Laziness/it doesn't really matter. I toy with the other gods for fun(apparently especially when they don't invite me to things). I started the Trojan War. I'm taking this predicament as a chance to prove myself, since I'm not all that well liked.

And his super was an execute of the leading waggon...

Anything I forgot?

[Shadow Dancer]

Not really. They're both mentioned as being my brothers and I am "Zeus' most trusted confidant and supporter"...

[Shadow Dancer]

We're not in a rush. And we are discussing all the time. If you consider a claim appropriate, claim! I think you and Agar are the only ones still unclaimed anyway.

[Shadow Dancer]

“Chono, are you expecting someone specific to claim getting a "Grace" pm or not?” – Not sure how this fits in with his claim of seeing Chrono going to AGar N1.

Watcher fishing for lies about night actions makes perfect sense, though.

“Out of mothrax and Axel, I'm definitely leaning mothrax. Originally I had info which led me to believe mothrax was town but in light of recent events that info may be faulty. And no, I'm not elaborating.”

The conclusion mothrax targeting Agar->Mothrax doctor is... Naive. But valid.

“How? Can you only target people from one of the death stages? Any reason why you picked SB over Plum?” – Very interesting little nugget regarding LC’s claim. If he thought LC was Town I would think he would have agreed whole-heartedly with LC contacting SB.

This was not about whom LC should contact but about whom he had tried to contact. When LC claimed he couldn't target SB any more because his powers only work on recently deceased.

“But we don't have actual proof of Conspiracy being a RB, have we? Did AGar ever confirm the N1 block? Okay, reading along, he did a couple of pages later. Eh, chesskid claimed early on and Conspiracy was the roleblocker if AGar was roleblocked N1, so unlikely.” – Doesn’t jibe with his N1 claimed results, IMO.

But Dekes said that he could confirm Cons as being the RB. I only cannot find Agar claiming having been roleblocked N1.

[Shadow Dancer]

Assuming ooba’s 3/3 split holds it was likely Isis. Turning someone to sand via magic seems like reasonable flavor.

I would really expect thisto come from some god associated with desert (Seth or Sobek or something like that).... But I fully agree that if ooba has any info to make 3/3 theory more plausible he should immediately claim it. It would in my opinion weeken Gemini's claim quite a bit.

[Shadow Dancer]

@ooba: Why should Gemini claim after me/chess? If they really are investigative they should know whether they were RBed or not. Having RB/JK claim after her full claim can confirm or falsify it.

[Shadow Dancer]

I would really expect thisto come from some god associated with desert (Seth or Sobek or something like that)

Oops... Got that mixed up a bit... Sobek is the crocodile god of water and fertility... Not really desert associated... There's another minor god called Ash who is god of the western desert...
Anyway, if there is a desert god it's ,ost likely Seth.

[Shadow Dancer]

I am obviously no motivator to start with

[Shadow Dancer]

How about:

- everybody gets a chance at claiming Motivator - Meaning Agar\Gemini explicitly accepting or denying this
- LC claims QT peeps
- I see no reason why AGM should claim his Super target. But will claim N2 target.
- ooba full-claims
- Agar full-claims
- Gemini Rest of Role claim (Have had super claimed till now)
- chesskid claims N1 target
- SD claims JK N2
- Magna claims Super

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh... OK... chess already claime :\

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, comon Gand, those WIFOMFy defenses are a waste of time.
Shall we proceed with the claims?
Or just try to find the next scum with the info we have?
Let's say there are really 3 scum left. 3/11 chance to hit...
One of Pie/chess/Gand/LC is most likely lying... That's 1/4 chance...
OK... Bad. What else do we know...?

[Shadow Dancer]

OH, btw. We should all crumb... Something... Doesn't matter what, but it should not easily be found. Just if LC contacts dead us via his normal we have something to confirm the contact...

[Shadow Dancer]

Super: Excellence: AGar

So this was a feint? If so, I love you for it ..

Yes it was a feint. I actually held off until after the lightning bolt.

So you could explicitely

not

use your super in thread?

[Shadow Dancer]

Andy said that, with an exception namely in the case of Quadz, Super abilities are in general private actions and hence must be sent via a private message. Non-PM'd supers would have no effect.

This departs from my own role PM, but Andy already told me that I got an old version of mine by mistake (i.e. when the rolename/alignment confusion with my normal happened), so maybe the discrepancy is attached to that idk.

Anyway, it sounds like what Chrono claims to have done would be OK with most supers, including mine.

So this tells us nothing

[Shadow Dancer]

- everybody gets a chance at claiming Motivator - Meaning Agar\Gemini explicitly accepting or denying this

Just to make sure, ooba -

you

are

not

the motivator, right?

[Shadow Dancer]

I accused people (was it gand? or chess?) because they did not know who the cop was... That hardly compares.
And I prefer serial posts.

[Shadow Dancer]

It's still a difference not to remember what one person claimed or what about 10 people denied or did not claim at all...

Nayway, backto Gand. Despite his affirmation that he has claimed everything - I cannot find the flavour of his abilities anywhere. Also he claimed "Eris, Greek God of Chaos and Discord". Are those the exact words as your role PM states them, Gand?

[Shadow Dancer]

And you normal? Don't tell me it just states that you can "redirect" a player's action.

And yes, that's how my PM states it.

And that's weird, because, Eris is

the Greek

goddess

of strife and discord

.
I doubt Andy would make such a mistake

[Shadow Dancer]

Gandald's claims:

I) Role name: Eris, Greek God[sic!*] of Chaos and Discord (*Eris is a godess...) (unconfirmed)
a) flavour: toys with other gods for fun (especially if not invited), started Trojan War, takes chance to prove herself now.
b) colour: "sort of purplish-pink/magenta"

II) Was double-normal-use-motivated N1, loses vote as consequence. Motivator unknown. (unconfirmed)
a) flavour: none

III) Passives: none

IV) Normal: redirect (only affects normals)
a) flavour: none?!?
b) targets:
i.1) N1: Iec -> Alma (confirmed by Iec)
i.2) N1 motivated: Shadow -> AV (unconfirmed)
ii) N2: Chronos -> Axel (unconfirmed)

V) Super: Execute of leading waggon, regardless votecount. Ends day. (confirmed, except exact mechanics)
a) flavour: eclipse (cast eclipse over olympus).
b) target: Baby D1.

---

Spoiler: Gandalf's ISO (not a very yielding read):

My role is def. connected to my name.

But no flavour [IVa]?

Apparently I forgot to unvote last time, so there. Right now diddin has 6 votes and BS has four. Depending on the answer I get back from the mods, it might be even better if diddin and BS are tied. And maybe even get Iec up to the same number.

Gandalf seting up eventual triple mislynch?!

@Gand: And why exactly is BS so high on your lynch list right now?

She isn't. I just need to test something. Trust me?

Blatant lie is a blatant lie...

So yeah, the results on the wrong person had nothing to do with your sanity, Iec. And I redirect. My super is that I instantly end the day and the person with the most votes is lynched. So in LyLo, I could vote/use and instantly win.

Fits [IV].

BTW: Thanks to whoever did that thing last night. Although it sucks that I have no vote now :C

And I still want an answer on the "Grace" question.

I think I might have received this. I didn't get any flavor with it though, so.

Fits [II].

Oh, and FTR, later in the game when we've obviously lynched the entire mafia team, I'll just redirect you to this post to remind you why the game isn't over yet and why there's still a kill going off every night.

Is there a reason for SD to not say who he "jailed" last Night?
This would at least presumably be someone who didn't do any killing.

Dekes.

I know for a fact I wasn't jailed last night.

LOLOLOLOLOL WHO WAS RIGHT

Actually, turned to sand could be it, if the mods wanted to make a kill flavor that didn't give it away but still vaguely fit(which is how most of our roles seem to be justified.

Conflict [IVb.i.2].

Well, this is essentially how it functions..... But flavor advertises it as an end day, and oh the leading wagon dies than the leading wagon dies and oh the day ends thing.

Derp!?

No, I could have killed somebody with one vote on them if nobody else had any votes on them.

Fits VOTE: .

DAMMIT I FORGOT
SD can't be SK, as much as I hate to say it. I'd rather not comment though, as it involves someone else's role.

Technically, it's possible that SD is SK if AV got protected last night. Which if chess really is protective, then that's entirely possible.

Finally matches with [IVb.i.2]. But why die he require so long to realize?

Nope. Without my vote, the wagon yesterday wouldn't have had the most people. Try again. This is temporary, just for today. And there were benefits.

Matches [II].

Yes...... Because using it on somebody town wanted to lynch would be a waste of my power.
And BS was NOT confirmed. In any sense of the word. I've seen far more scum neighborizers than town.

And what she did was NOT equivalent to a friendly neighbor in any sense.

How does this whole "neighbourizer" stuff come from? Baby never claimed anything like that.

@Gandalf

– I’m suspect of your answer to Shadow Dancer given you offered power use. Why didn’t you redirect ShadowDancer to Iec given you suspected SD of being a Serial Killer and Iec of being scum? Your choice of redirecting Iec to Ranger / AGM makes little sense.

I can't answer this question, as once again, it involves someone else's role.

Bzzzt, wrong answer. I’m directly asking you why you didn’t use YOUR role which you have claimed in a manner consistent with YOUR claimed views Day 1.
I’m going to give you one more chance to answer – you would be good to take it.
Why didn’t you redirect SD, who you spent ALL DAY ranting was a Serial Killer, to Iec who you have explained you targeted because you had a scum read on him?

I am telling you: IT INVOLVES SOMEONE ELSES ROLE
Now shut the fuck up and go question someone who actually might be scum.

Makes some sense with regard to [II]. Still I was only his second choice to redirect...

Nope. Shut the fuck up and go home. Basically, something happened to me last night. It's the reason I'm voteless today, and it's how I know SD is confirmed non-SK.

Matches [II] and [IVb.i.2].

No, SD did not have anything to do with it(as far as I know). It'll be clear as soon as the person claims(although now that I think of it, since there's no role reveal, it's possible they're already dead >.>).

Matches [II].

And just like that I all of a sudden remember that I know why Dekes wasn't jailkeeped last night.*FACEPALM*

Matches [IVb.i.2] - but timing is very odd again...

@Gemini: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ROLE
I have already fullclaimed my role. It has something to do with SOMEONE ELSES ROLE. Basically, I know that SD is not SK and that neither Dekes or SD is lying.

Matches [IVb.i.2].

@Gemini: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ROLE
I have already fullclaimed my role. It has something to do with SOMEONE ELSES ROLE. Basically, I know that SD is not SK and that neither Dekes or SD is lying.

You're a liar if you're saying you knew that on N1 when you made your Night choice !!

I didn't. That doesn't mean it didn't affect my NA. Drop it.

Erm... Makes no sense @Gand: Did you mean - it did not affect your night choice

because

you did not know?

Since when am I confirmed town/non-SK to you?
Did some one else give you those infos?

You could say that.

Gandalf's behavior is odd. I had forgotten about the SD-is-SK mantra from yesterday. That would indeed make the obvious move SD->X rather than Iec->X. The explanation that he learned that SD was not an SK *after* the events of N1 also makes no sense.

Okay, since "FUCKING DROP IT" apparently isn't clear enough, I guess I'll say that something happened last night that affected my action.

@gandalf: Did you have information about someone else's role prior to Night 1?

No. That doesn't mean it didn't affect my action.

A lynch won't give you any info. There's no role flip in this game. And as I've already said, I ALREADY FULLCLAIMED. You know everything about my abilities. I am NOT going to reveal anything about someone else's.
@Ooba: I didn't know that either of them were not SK N1. But something happened that affected the way I used my role.

Match [IVb.i.2].

My abilities have no flavor outside the ability names, and like quadz's, they seem self-explanatory.

Fits [Iva], [Va].

My vote loss is not the result of my super, and the way the mod presented it to me, I think it was connected to the other thing that happened to me last night, which means that unless Chronopie essentially has two actions, he didn't take away my vote.

Conforms to [II].

AGar - SD could still be third party. He's not town, at least.

If he is, then the most dangerous he could possibly be is lyncher.

Kind of matches up with [IVb.i.2].

---

Conclusion: Wouldn't have suspected it, but besides being

r e a l l y

s l o w on the uptake regarding conclusions from [IVb.i.2] and having the gender of his role wrong Gand's stances from D2 match his claims.

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, I said God. TBH, I wasn't really reading that closely. My PM DOES say Goddess............

And Re: SD's question for me: It didn't affect my NA choice because it was an ADDITION. I was contacted RIGHT at the end of the night and told I had a second action, so I sent it in then. So I knew about it when I was making my second choice(obv). But not my first. And yeah, I have no idea why it took me so long to realize the effects of redirecting you..... >.>

So it boils down to the following question:
Why was Iec your prefered night choice over me whereas you had been downright obsessed with my lynch during D1 and all the way into D2.

[Shadow Dancer]

I notified Charon earlier today that I'll be replacing out. I may have cost myself my job last night, and I need to focus on actually getting my life straightened out rather than playing mafia right now.

-AGar

That sounds bad Good luck for whatever you're going to do now!

[Shadow Dancer]

OKay, I super suck today. I just posted on my hydra in my other game and on my main account in this one. Great going.

True ... it would have to be Gandalf as an Egyptian not another type of scum, but Dekes last post combined with having no indication Egyptians are dead leads me to believe there's probably another Egyptian. I think Dekes posted that try to imply to us that he was the last of the Egyptians, which makes me think there's gotta be another one out there.

But I will be looking at others as well. I don't think the castrator is Egyptian so there's at least one other scum team or SK out there, IMO and that puts ooba's insistence on looking at his ISO to prove he's not scumbuddies with Egyptians into an interesting light.

I'd guess castrator = SK then.

[Shadow Dancer]

I think it'd make perfect sense for the castrator to be Egyptian inasmuch as Egyptian gods love castrating their enemies (e.g. Set).

Seth was castrated by Horus... And my theory would be that Seth (god of desert) turns people into sand.
However, castrated could then not be an egyptian kill.
We definitely know that neither of the dead egyptians was the castrator.
Right now I would lynch chess. But waiting for further claims.

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, I said God. TBH, I wasn't really reading that closely. My PM DOES say Goddess............

And Re: SD's question for me: It didn't affect my NA choice because it was an ADDITION. I was contacted RIGHT at the end of the night and told I had a second action, so I sent it in then. So I knew about it when I was making my second choice(obv). But not my first. And yeah, I have no idea why it took me so long to realize the effects of redirecting you..... >.>

So it boils down to the following question:
Why was Iec your prefered night choice over me whereas you had been downright obsessed with my lynch during D1 and all the way into D2.

My philosophy on redirectors/roleblockers/trackers is that scum will usually have people who are suspected, but not particularly prominent do the kill. Iec fit the bill, you didn't. At first, my mind simply didn't make the connection that since I thought you were the SK, you would HAVE to make the kill.

You're failing a lot at making a whole bunch of pretty obvious connections, don't you?

[Shadow Dancer]

About the scum quickhammer Magna scenario - worst case is that both Pie and Gem are scum partners in a scum team of 3. In that case they could easily amass the required five votes.
I am not too fond of the prospect of a scum double double-vote-granter. That seems really overpowered to me (consider that a scum double-vote-granter is gamebreaking whereas a town DVG is a rather double edged sword).

[Shadow Dancer]

Well. I've probably been ambivalent, come to think of it. I am always ambivalent. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

Your point being?
I feel abivalent against almost every one and everything right now.
But Gandalf would be - baring further claims - my second lynch choice after chess right now.

[Shadow Dancer]

@Ooba: Snow being a tracker is just something Dekes made up. It's not unreasonable as a role for Artemis, but still an assumption without any real basis.

Flavour of your passive? Does this apply to

all

daytalk, including Chronos' talking to the dead, scum QT and Gem's hydra talk?
What are your other powers and why don't you claim them (after all you called for a fullclaim)?

Messanger claim is kinda fishy... I have to check for Ooba's reaction on Iris' messanger claim...

@Chronos: What do you mean by you've been wondering about the daytalk?

[Shadow Dancer]

@ooba: So how does enabling scum daytalk match with being a messanger for

Olympus

?

And how is Baby's waggon

dying down

a justifcation for

not

counterclaiming her as messanger (though both your roles obviously do totally different things)?

[Shadow Dancer]

She claimed super as messenger in her next post but at that point, I already thought she was town and really didn't see a reason to counterclaim because my passive conflicted with her super power name.

Seriously - seriously? Seriously I do not believe a word of what you are claiming.

Spoiler: little chronoly for you:

Post #674: Baby claims:

Super power is messenger based but to say more would make it useless.

Post #678

Plum, any specific instance where Andrius has made a scum fakeclaim stand out for the wrong reasons ?
BS, just claim the flavor please ..

Post #689

My argument is that if I as a mod made a fakeclaim with the fancy colors bit, It sort of goes waste when I supplement it with a bad role match ..

Scum don’t have Daytalk.

How are you so certain about this?

Post #710

I'm moving on - BS is town - this also puts gandalf and quadz into the I don't think they're a good lynch category .. (gandalf moves back to the must-be-stupic-town category since the BS links were the strongest thing I had on him. I don't see quadz scum doing "Lets policy lynch VI BS" - unless he was scum with her)

Town:

1. Baby Spice 4. AGar 5. Shadow Dancer 7. Iecerint 8. ooba CryMeARiver 11. Gemini 13. MagnaofIllusion 14. Axelrod 19. diddin 20. chesskid3 / 15. gandalf5166 16. quadz08

Null\Scum reads:

2. Chronopie 10. Plum 17. mothrax 18. LordChronos 12. RangeroftheNorth / 3. AurorousVox 6. Snow_Bunny 9. Dekes

AV-Dekes links

"Dekes, Diddin and BS are scummy. Diddin and BS are the worst most recently, with Diddin scummiest out of all three." -> Vox why didn't you vote Dekes instead of diddin at the end then?
"Willing to revote Diddin, but Iec's posting has been really scummy in the last few pages so.
Also would be willing to see BS lynched. A rainbow coloured PM doesn't make up for her scummy play." -> No mention of Dekes (your scummiest suspect in your catch up post?)

AV-SB links:

The lol discussion on the mod-vote.

Dekes-SB links:

(Minor) Dekes promising to look into SB ISO but never doing so ..
Any of the three is a reasonable lynch for today - I think a Dekes wagon would get the maximum traction.

Unvote. Vote: Dekes

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P.S: Plum would still like to see the fakeclaim discussion\part where andy gives a wifom-fakeclaim role ..

Post #713

Also irrespective of what lynch is happening today - please don't hammer until I give the go ahead .. I need to do something at L-1 ..

Post #734

-|Attention|-

The fervor of the discussion roared as assorted Gods and Goddesses heckled over the day's occurances. In a rare moment of silence, an unseen speaker's voice reaches your ears...

" "Messenger makes a lot of sense for Iris. As opposed to rainbow-hider...
Baby, can you confirm yourself via your special power?"

One shot super power, yes."

Four posts. Those are FOUR posts you make in between baby claiming her super flavour and Charon confirming it. Not only do you, claimed messanger, not even question her about it but you are even nonwithstandingly placing her right on top of your town list.

So what did Baby do in the meantime that made you thik she was so town (not wanting to quote every post, but...):

Understood.

Still need normal power flavor.

No I dont think you do

Oh, now I see it... This is so very much a paramount of pro-town towniest of all towniness. Er... #CRITICAL ERROR IN MODULE TOWN TELLS HAS OCCURED. DATABASE IS CONPROMISED. PLEASE REBOOT#

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Sorry for the interruption. Where was I? Oh right.

Looks like you called Baby town because you knew she was town. If you really are a messanger, you're a messanger for scum, scum daytalk enabler makes perfectly sense...

vote ooba

[Shadow Dancer]

I agree - I thought Baby was "likely town" for the same other reasons - But none of us supposedly had any "messanger" flavour in his role PM.
ooba insisting on his two scum team theory - that he so far hasn't brought forth any claim to back it up - does not suggest that he is deriving that conclusion wrom his own scum groups size but rather that he is trying to mislead town. I consider 5 + 1SK more likely right now. But as long as we don't see further flips and /or NK flavours these specultions are likely idle.
And, if you remember, when we wanted to lynch ooba in greel mythology, he turned out confirmed town So lynching ooba is not such a bad thing ;D

[Shadow Dancer]

It's not that you did not CC her, it is that her claiming messanger caused absolutely no reaction at all with you.

[Shadow Dancer]

If you have anything else to claim whereon you can actually base your wild speculations you better do. Otherwise I'll just file this under "other bizarre scum excuses".

[Shadow Dancer]

Description of ky picture: skinny muscular chick in a black garment that barely covers what it needs to. She's got a purple sash around her shoulder, and her hand is outstretched and has an Apple floating above it. In her other hand she had a staff. Black hair is held up by a gold ring. I have similar bracelets on my wrist and upper arms. And I have a gold thing around my waist too. On top of that, I have black wings sprouting from my back. I'm barefoot too. I don't feel comfortable getting into any more detail.

More details O_o ? I found the picture.
What does this tell you now, ooba?

[Shadow Dancer]

And his image is from deviantart (so is mine, too, btw.). Do you trust his claim because of that?

[Shadow Dancer]

@nacho: You should at least claim something. And with LC's neighbourhood claim it is pretty obvious that you are Hades. Please at least confirm or deny this and LC's claim. Thanks.

[Shadow Dancer]

/slap /slapslapslap <_<

What?!

[Shadow Dancer]

- Alma
-Chess

Spoiler:

This is my "players we don't really need alive" list. If no scum with stronger urge to be lynched appears on my screen I might just random pick from this list

[Shadow Dancer]

@MoI: But if Gandalf had the picture in his fake PM he'd also stared at it and not forgotten that is is a god

dess

.... Unless he just carelessly copypasted the discription from his real role PM - which then would obviously not be Eris...
I cannot understand Alma's objection, though - I found the image without any problems both with googel images and with deviantarts search... And given the alternatives I got the picture was a rather obvious choice...

I trust MoI enough to second the proposition to empower him tonight. However, He'd lose his vote (if Gand didn't lie about that). Anyway - he is also a good target for Pie's extra vote.

@Gand: If your knowedge about Greek mythology is not muc more extensive than yours about Egyptian mythology I would not bother to bring that up as an argument.

Howevr I look at it, Gand is definitely a muc better vote than Chronos.

Unvote. Vote Gand

@Chronos: Have you claimed Zeus' last JoaT ability yet?

@Chess: Shut up. More than one proddodge post in 48 hours is over the requirement...

[Shadow Dancer]

[...] I think we're more likely to catch scum based on behavior that's objectively scummy rather than scummy depending on if someone is a particular role. Might have more to say on this - am waiting to hear from MJ so we can coordinate our thoughts.

Which leads me to a simple question, gem: Who is scum? And how has gand's behaviour not been scummy?

Nacho needs to get in here and provide something useful (Saying it again and again...)

[Shadow Dancer]

One other thing about Gandalf is that I was told my redirection. This jives less well with a scum redirector.

What do you mean? That you were told that your investigation was not on AV but on Alma/Ranger?

[Shadow Dancer]

How is he out there? He's got the most unprovable claim that has ever existed........... and if I were making that claim, regardless of alignment, I would probably phrase it like that.

You can't even tell a god from a godess
Why are you so focussed on LC? I mean, if you really believe in your kill-redirect hypothesis you'd check chess for scum now, right?

[Shadow Dancer]

2. A point that is not in his favor: Axel apparently doesn't care about the game very much.

I. Not true, he supposedly already claimed a lot, only in the last dew days he was idle... And not only him... Would you be dedicated to a game you're

dead

in every day? Does Quadz care much? So absolutely null. (where'S Quad by the way?)

[Shadow Dancer]

ooba constucts scum lists out of mod-outguessing. Any more opinions about his claim?

[Shadow Dancer]

False. I am voting for scum and protecting town. What are YOU DOING?

And why are

you

voting for Chronos?

Looking at the claims and what we know Alma could well be scum.
Maybe he's really a scum doc. That he, contrary to AV and Moth, really used his super when said to have done so does not at all imply he's town. If he was scum about to die and if his super was really a protect he had all reason to use it, anyway.

[Shadow Dancer]

You can't even tell a god from a godess
Why are you so focussed on LC? I mean, if you really believe in your kill-redirect hypothesis you'd check chess for scum now, right?

Yes, they're clearly both scum. But there is the MINOR possibility that chess had something happen to his ability. LC is scum. No matter what, because no scumteam would kill that useless of a player, especially considering that so many people wanted to lynch him.[/quote]
You're really grasping at straws, aren't you O_o

[Shadow Dancer]

And you hold that you don't take no drugs?

[Shadow Dancer]

Deadline extension is fine by me. 2 days sound fine? No more than 3 though.

Anything is fine as long as you get Nacho arse in here to play the game!

[Shadow Dancer]

I was just going through Gandalf's ISO when I noticed this

The

"mafia" faction is compromised of a foreign Gods and/or Goddesses.

So I talk about two scum teams and base most of my scum hunting on that and NOBODY tells me that the opening page hints at a single Mafia faction. (Use of the word "The") - I'm getting it confirmed by the mod ..

Wait... Are you really slower than Gand? If both of you flip scum I'll laugh so hard!

[Shadow Dancer]

- 1474 - He doesn't like mothrax but look at this in the same post - "I suppose one reason to go for AGM over Axel or mothrax is to avoid forcing out yet another claim."

Drug levels reaching record hights... Seriously? What is scummy about this post and how does it support your LC avoided the Moth waggon point at all?!?

[Shadow Dancer]

But SD=SK fit so perfectly . Ok, SD cannot be SK. (that doesn't clear you though)

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I want to point out my "slower than Gand" point again... Oh, and - a confirmed alignment cop SK? Are you serious (and don't say he could be a role cop, that's Gem and I dpubt there are two identical supers in the game)?

[Shadow Dancer]

- 1474 - He doesn't like mothrax but look at this in the same post -

"I suppose one reason to go for AGM over Axel or mothrax is to avoid forcing out yet another claim."

Drug levels reaching record hights... Seriously? What is scummy about this post and how does it support your LC avoided the Moth waggon point at all?!?

I can't hand hold you through every step of the logical process - esp. if you're being insulting. Read the fucking post again.

If you post stuff that makes your sense you have to expect from me to make jokes of it. And please don't doubt my ability to read or to comprehend what I read. When I tell you that you make no sense I expect you to consider for a moment that you really don't and find out why.
Anyway. Maybe

you

did not really read. And thus missed that Chronos is talking about Quadz in that post. And henceforth you should rather call Quadz scum... Er... I can well see the framer at work, though.

[Shadow Dancer]

WTF, Iec?

WHAT?!?!?

makes any sense at all? We need more ooba waggon!

[Shadow Dancer]

EBWOP: If you post stuff that makes

no

sense[...]

[Shadow Dancer]

Only that it was in fact Quadz whom LC was adressing and who was pushing the AGM "waggon" (already disassembled at that time)... In fact Chronos eventually voted for Moth without really pursuing the Alma waggon.

[Shadow Dancer]

WTF, Iec?

WHAT?!?!?

makes any sense at all? We need more ooba waggon!

YOURE the slow one....... One of me and LC has to be scum.......... WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU VOTING FOR OOBA

Just as a little cutely sweet allegory for you - your obsession with the Chronos lynch right now reminds me of your obsession with the Shadow lynch on D1... And yes, I abuse my confirmed town status to get clear words out. Because

I

can. Stop being jealous and have some fun! Scum.

[Shadow Dancer]

Better reason why Axel died than being confirmedly not killed by LC... er... Anything...
Maybe scum/SK has a role cop and thought Zeus would make a nice target... Maybe they wanted to ensure the NK by targeting some one that precisely no one would protect... Maybe they just randomed the kill. Maybe you're just lying. Based on the evidence I can see I strongly prefer the last suggestion.
Reality is a bitch, deal with it.

[Shadow Dancer]

We are not going to get an ooba wagon today. Not enough time. Move your vote to Gandalf please!!!

...Guess where my vote is as of post #2215?

[Shadow Dancer]

OK, forget the whole "no time" business - I can emergency switch any time.

Unvote. Vote ooba

@Gand: Conspiracy theories won't help you, you know...

[Shadow Dancer]

An SK would never shoot for the primary scumgroup. He wants as many people as possible to die each night, and killing off the Egyptians is contrary to that.

Oh are you wrong... Have you ever played SK? (And won?) Any faction that knows or confirms each other is much more of a danger to an SK than your average know nothing vanilla townie. So you want scum decimated quickly (that also makes vig fake claim, which is always an SK's safest fake claim, more trustworthy, btw) and then have them on maybe 1 or 2 members until endgame.

[Shadow Dancer]

Also, my full claim ..

Hermes, Greek God of Messengers and Thieves

- Already claimed my

Messenger

power -> Grant daytalk for all QuickTopics as the messenger of Olympus.
- Started the game with no normal power. My passive was in my normal slot as a placeholder.
- Super:

Psychopomp

-> Can choose a player; Upon their death I receive their normal power.

When I replaced in, CMAR had already chosen SB. Andrius said I was allowed to change it once from SB; I asked it be reset to nobody. Plan was to use the super on somebody when I was sure they would be lynched.
D1: Gandalf ended the day before I could use my super.
D2: Choose AV before the lynch. Received his normal:

Protection

: Can protect a player from one shot on them. Can't use it on myself.
N3: Protected Iece

Why Iec? Don't you think Alma would have taken care of him?
Did Alma claim his protect?
Waiting for Nacho claim now...

[Shadow Dancer]

For those who don't know - "Hermes, god of thieves" was Andrius Hades' fake claim in Greek Mythology mini - and he had a power that could steal normals from the dead. I am not sure what to make of it i context of this game, though...

[Shadow Dancer]

Of course, he doesn't push it because you immediately shoot it down in your next post and Quadz backs off his AGM paranoia.
He never talked about L2 possibilities in his next posts after that; The only time he talks about mothrax again is after Conspiracy's botched claim when it was all but obvious Conspiracy was going to be lynched.

And here's the point: Most every one was doubt ful regarding Alma and his claim at that point in time. I shoot it down because I had confirmation of his super use - which no one else had because I hadn't claimed that yet at that point in time. You're really puting something absolutely null far out of context here. As I said - more likely framing than real scum hunting.

[Shadow Dancer]

@SD - Didn't trust AGM - I can see Iece dying and him going "Oh thought I'd make the scum double guess" (or) must be a super kill excuses .. Better safe than sorry I guess ..

Tada! You did not trust him, either.
And Chronos not trusting him is scummy...

[Shadow Dancer]

MagnaofIllusion - Hated townie is a insta-loss claim for a SK*

*Because only an arsehole Bastard mod woul ever give a hated status to an SK and you could expose a fake claim by a single vote in Lylo... (just guessing, ooba forgot the footnote)

[Shadow Dancer]

Also, SD, Gemini also has to claim ..

YOu're right, but has claimed something already... And Nacho is flaking out right now...

@Mod: Please make sure that either Nacho or any replacement is here to play like, say, tomorrow (that's only two days to DL... So...)

[Shadow Dancer]

However, that said - I only think the Zeus\Poseidon part may be an alternate wincon - such as ..

"You must slay Zeus and Poseidon by your hand. (or) Be the last man standing"

This thought I can somehow get behind... Add Hades to that list... And mybe even soften the "by your own hand" part... But still that's only speculation.

[Shadow Dancer]

The fact that we STILL have no explanation for Chrono’s missing double vote is really irritating me. By my estimation we have one of the following situations –
1. Either Shadow or Chess is lying about blocking him.
2. Gandalf actually redirected one of those two (probably Shadow, IMO) to Chrono for some unknown reason.
3. Shadow Dancer is actually scum who got hit with Motivation last night (subtracting one vote) while also being granted an additional vote (adding a vote).
4. Chronopie is scum and couldn’t kill and use his ability in the same Night.
No clue which of these is most likely but I don't want the fact that we have a hidden mystery on our hands slipping away.

Considering where your vote is you shoul dsuspect gand of lying... Anyway, I thought we were over with me scum theses...

I get more and more of the feeling that perhaps scum hit the Serial Killer (who would have to be Bulletproof in this scenario) last Night with their kill and that today’s play might lead us to that down the line. Just a gut hunch.

Because with four claimed protects flying around this is the most obvious solution ever O_o

Then why were you telling someone else that we need more ooba pressure? I’m confused.

We agree that more than one scum is still alive, right? So having more than one suspect is more than justifiable. I would lynch both ooba and Gand and compromise on chess as of now.

- Iecerint, Gemini are not egyptian because they both gave us one egyptian each

While I tend to agree with this assessment (with Iec more fully than Gemini) giving them an absolute pass for what could be bussing is foolhardy. Remember this in endgame folks!

I trust Iec. His claim was pro-town, his super use is cofirmed and after all an alignment cop is much rather town than any kind of scum - and that we have two scum teams is just an arbitrary hypothesis.
Gemini I suspect could even be scum framing a partner for town creds, my paranoia on her slot has not at all deminished.

[Shadow Dancer]

Haha an SK with the kill flavor castrated and you think he'd try for a vig fakeclaim? And oobas case looks damning, but I think he's having problems with confirmation bias. I'll take a closer look at it when I'm ion a real computer.

Strawman alert. That wasn't my core point. at. all.

[Shadow Dancer]

I think i have to look into Gem's last post. If they really withheld the wincon that would be just bad... Will do it tomorrow, I am too tired now.
To maybe speed things up: @Gem: If you really knew the scum wincon from Dekes' role PM but didn't post it at first...er... why didn't you do so?!

[Shadow Dancer]

I'm not a retard
if LC were scum going down i woudl not be tying myeslf to him jesus I GO TO PRINCETON

That obviously doesn't prevent you to make stupid WIFOMy stnaces like this one...

[Shadow Dancer]

We didn't withhold anything. Katy reread the pm yesterday and pointed it out to me in the QT at the time she brought it up in the thread. We've been debating the set-up for a couple of days, with me being pretty adamant there are two teams. I was convinced Gandalf was actually Loki and that he was the key to cracking the second team. Katy was arguing there wasn't enough information to prove there was more than one and that most of the Norse stuff was speculation. She was worried about ooba, and when he suddenly switched gears mid-stream and "discovered" that there was only one team, it occurred to her to look at the pm again to see if there was more information there.

Uh. Oh. Claims like these... I am pretty sure the setup specs were going on for quite a while... I really need to reread this day a bit...

[Shadow Dancer]

[...]and SD said he used his super before that night so it's just the paranoia ..

To avoid misunderstandings concerning my claim - my super worked collectively at night (I got one PM telling me who used their supers during that night) and (more or less, depending on mod online times) real time during the day. I received confirmation of Alma using his super the same day when he claimed to have used it. I cannot at all say what that super was, though, but since he could not know about my super it's very unlikely a feint - and as to Magna's point, it's unlikely that he is lying scum or not even a doc because that would leave town mostly without protective roles (aside from my rather double edged jailkeep) to deal with a kill heavy setup.

[Shadow Dancer]

Back to SK hunting

Nacho - I think that mothrax\Dekes weren't lying about roleblocking Agar. Since N1 kill went through he cannot be SK.

This then also implies that Agar/Nacho is town! If there's only one scum faction and he is neither scum (wouldn't block their own kind) nor SK he must be town.

[Shadow Dancer]

- I don't like the fact that he calls alternate SK wincon discussion fluff; After all if all he has to do is kill Hades, Zeus, Poseidon for the win .. then we cannot clear him for the Hated townie claim

And this is were your speculations break down in agony - if that were the case I wouldn't have survived N1.

[Shadow Dancer]

If I was part of any killing agenda and in the situation where I had role claimed but no doc would likely protect me (which was more or less my N1 status), an SK would not miss that blank shot for a 2 in 19 chance to hit one of his other targets... Sorry, I agree that there could be a hidden secondary win condition, but this is not it.

[Shadow Dancer]

Some last minute distancing to ooba by gand?
To state what I consider the major points against ooba yet again:
- he claimed messanger flavoured ability but completely ignored Baby's messanger super although he was posting multiple times between the claim and the confirmation.
- if his claim is true scum are by far the main profiteer from daytalk, his claimed powers are even scummier than wht gandalf has in his repertoire.

[Shadow Dancer]

That doesn't make any sense, quad. ooba is the QT enabler, why should he infer that baby is it.
And there is a difference between not blindly insta-CCing (aka. chess style) and not adressing something at all, not even a curios question.

[Shadow Dancer]

- I am

(or ma not)

town

- I am the QT daytalk enabler

Yes, I would not even say that this is likely a lie.

- Pretty sure my role cannot solely exist for enabling scum QT
- Therefore I had reason to believe that a QT based power existed (town masons, neighbourizer, neighbourhood) in the game

Has nothing to do with the issue whatsoever...
[/quote]- She claimed a "messenger-based" power which fits with something to do with QTs[/quote]
Why would you conclude that, if you already enable daytalk for all factions, she has an identical role?

- I already thought she was town and she said her super became useless if revealed

And of course your town/scum reads would never change based on new information...

- So I didn't see ANY reason to question her on it

Although you also claim to possess a messanger power and now even say you assumed that her power would be analogue to yours - in which case town ooba would have assumed that scum baby is scum QT enabler, wouldn't he?

[Shadow Dancer]

Seems like we are talking at cross-purposes...
As I unerstand your role claim your PM tells you explicitely that your power passively (cannot be blocked, I asked the mod) enables all factions/subfactions who know each other to have daytalk.
So waht would you have expected Snow's power to do then if you considered it analogue to yours?

[Shadow Dancer]

See, that is what makes no sense - if you already enable

all

QTs, what would Baby have been responsible for? Do you think She'd be a night talk enabler? Or do you suggest that you automatically assumed she must be a mason or nabourizer kind of role? And that still does not sufficiently explain why you did not ask her about it, not even if her super could provide any confirmable info (which any kind of QT certainly could have done)...

[Shadow Dancer]

@Quad: I don't agree. Why should ooba have claimed just because Baby's super turned out something different than he expected?

@ooba: OK. I think I will stop asking stupid redundant questions now Next point - if you thought Baby was a "QT creator" for town, why where (or still are) you so in favour of an LC lynch over gand after he claimed exactly the kind of role you reputedly expected to be in this game as a pro-town role?

[Shadow Dancer]

@ooba

Just to clarify this. Your passive has absolutely no effect on my normal or super. I just confirmed this with Charon. The daytalk with those is part of my power, cause otherwise it would be very limited.

And your passive?

[Shadow Dancer]

Want Nacho to find scum for me.

Yeeees. Come in Nacho, be a good scummer, find the scum, Nacho, find the scum!!!

[Shadow Dancer]

On the othe hand Alma's play is always underwhelming and Magna has a point - Alma scum would leave town without any serious protective role. So unless Nacho claims a protective role I cannot see an Alma lynch.
I also think the idea was that we claim our protections/jailkeeps after Nacho has claimed...

[Shadow Dancer]

What. The. Fuck! Is this claim?!?!??

[Shadow Dancer]

Seems like Andy just couldn't withstand to recreate his favourite role...

Just our oh interest - was the kil you salvaged diddin's normal or super?
And why do you feel like claiming such a treacherous wincon?

Two corpse snatchers out there now - pretty sure one s scum...

[Shadow Dancer]

Sorry, really serius typos...

Seems like Andy just couldn't withstand to recreate his favourite role...

Just out of interest - was the kill you salvaged diddin's normal or super?
And why do you feel like claiming such a treacherous wincon?

Two corpse snatchers out there now - pretty sure one is scum...

[Shadow Dancer]

Oh, and can damned people post in thread, use powers and vote?