Actually, I could even put my vote back to swinkee, I just wanted to take some time to think about it, since there's no more a deadline and we don't have to rush decisions.EmpTyger wrote: d_rouge:
... but as you’ve yourself admitted, your unvote doesn’t seem to make any sense. Could you make specific what you intended to be done next?
No.Thok wrote:And I thinking chasing people with bad or no reasons for jumping on bandwagons is our best bet.unvote mlaker, vote d_rouge
Any reason for voting swinkee over mlaker?
Yeah, sorry, I had missed that. Anyway, our goal is to get rid of the scum, so if there's more than one group it doesn't really change the way we're playing this game (that is, going for mass investigations).Puzzle wrote:Look at post #1 : the mention of "European" barbarians tends to encourage the thought that there are multiple scum groups.
Wow, I really didn't remember that.Yosarian2 wrote:Today, d8p said:
d8P wrote:I investigated Yosarian2 and Lord Rahl last night - both are barbarians.
But yesterday, Puzzle said:
Logically, if Puzzle says he got an innocent on me, and d8P claims he got a guilty on me on me, either one of them made a mistake, or one of them are lying, or there's something wierd going on here. Puzzle is a dead townie, and therefore we can assume he was not lying. Normally, I'd assume d8p was scum at this pont, but i'm a bit confused that Astronaut claimes he's innocent.Puzzle wrote: I've already claimed. If you believe me scum, what will pressure achieve ?
Yosarian2 is innocent according to my Caravel.
Lynch me if you really think I'm scum. I'm really getting bored here anyway, to be honest.
Either someone screwed up somewhere here, or someone is messing with our heads, or d8p and astronaut are together trying the dumbest scum gambit ever.
Anyway, d8p, why would you even investigate a proven GG like me?
Yeah, you're right. I hadn't thought that if the scum groups each have 3 members, we could get rid of 1 nightkill by finishing off the European scum.Astronaut wrote:d_rouge/Akonas: We've probably got two Middle Eastern and one European barbarian tribe left. I'm in no doubt Yos is scum, but do we know for sure he's European scum? I think we should think this through before lynching. There might be other results out there as well.
Akonas wrote:I could understand how the Space Race thing would work, but I'm not sure if he's telling the truth- and if he is, how can we verify it? If we are leaving him alone today, I'm thinking a vigging is in order tonight.
Still waiting for the explanation...Yosarian2 wrote:Actually, I had a very specific reason for saying that; once I get one thing clarified from the mod, I'll explain.Astronaut wrote:Wow, Akonas, you're pretty keen on that space race thing. Have you forgotten that in the very same post, Yos also claimed to be Tha Flying Pumpkin?
This is false.Yosarian2 wrote: Either way, the town needs my vote in order to have any chance at lynching today. Otherwise, we will end up in a no-lynch, which would probably mean a town loss.
I am 100% sure that InHim is scum, but I'm also 99% sure that you are scum.Yosarian2 wrote: In other words, the only logical reason for you to vote for anyone other then inhim would be if you were scum.
I beg your pardon?Astronaut wrote:d_rouge:
How can you be 100% sure inHim is scum, but only 99,5% sure of Yos? You yourself and d8p hva both have a guilty investigation on Yos, while the only reason you've got for suspecting inHim is that he claims to have a guilty investigation on you?
This is a WIFOM argument and the fact that it's you that made this remark (as opposed to someone else pointing it out), makes me pretty sure that you are actually a Middle East scum.Yosarian2 wrote: Anyway, I can't prove I'm not scum, of course, but I should think that by the way I presssured him to claim yesterday, pointed out that his claim made no sense, and then helped get him lynched, it should be pretty clear that I'm not scum with Lord Rahl, and thus not part of the Middle Eastern scum group.
Please read what I wrote.Kelly Chen wrote: @d_rouge: Doesn't it make sense that inHim wouldn't counterclaim you unless he had a partner? That would mean he's Middle Eastern.
d_rouge wrote:Right now the only thing I'm 100% positive about is Inhim being scum.
I think Inhim is from the middle east scum group, and that counterclaiming me is part of a strategy with his partner. I don't think he would do such a thing if he were alone.
Lord Rahl was pretty much dead at that point, it wouldn't have been that much of a gambit.Kelly Chen wrote: I think Yosarian is likely to be scum, but not for defending himself... I don't think that argument was WIFOM. To me WIFOM means either way of acting costs scum the same. It's costly for scum to ditch a partner. It could be a gambit though.
Oh, really? I didn't?Yosarian2 wrote:You still have not answered my primary point, though.
d_rouge wrote: Please read what I wrote.d_rouge wrote:Right now the only thing I'm 100% positive about is Inhim being scum.
I think Inhim is from the middle east scum group, and that counterclaiming me is part of a strategy with his partner. I don't think he would do such a thing if he were alone.
He's probably your scum buddy.Yosarian2 wrote: The only rational reason for InHim to claim the role you already claimed would be if either you are scum, or if he expected to win right away by getting you lynched now.
So either you are scum, or InHim is part of the two man scum group. Which is it?
The only one who claimed to have 100% effective units is lying, I don't want it to come down to hoping to choose the right target to protect AND hoping that a 40% probability turns out the right way.Astronaut wrote:d_rouge/Kelly: Do you really think we should count on scum nightkilling eachother? Aren't we better off finishing off the European scum and counting on our blocking/protecting units?
On the last day it was clear to me, after Astro's claim, that Yosarian and Tyfo/Kelly Chen were the two other scum. If I had not claimed Inhim's Civ I would have probably managed to get Akonas lynched without too much trouble. I dunno what the roleblocker action would have been afterwards, but I would have killed Kelly Chen or Yosarian for sure.
After Inhim's claim, once it was apparent that one between me and him was lying, I had to change strategy. My main concern was the effectiveness of the roleblocking ability: I tried to gather some info about that with my question about the unit/city target, but didn't succeed. Even Yosarian comments after that were not enough.
If he could really roleblock two persons, one of them would have been me for sure, so I couldn't allow to let him live. On the other side, if the bombard ability didn't affect the mafia kill, I could have pushed more towards Yosarian, in order to start the night with 1 scum in each group.
Should I have let the day go with no lynch?
My reasoning was that, since I announced clearly that I knew Yos and Kelly Chen were scum before the fall of the night, they couldn't kill me otherwise on the last day there would have been two town against Yosarian and would have lynched him almost for sure.
I played for the draw, that is a last day with 1 scum of each group and 1 town so that nobody could effectively kill anybody else (I dunno what the mod would have done in such a situation).
Unfortunately, there were 3 kills last night, that means that someone used a vigging unit, so that screwed everything up.
Sorry if I bored you, just wanted to share my thoughts on the endgame.
Maybe I could have won it if Inhim wasn't the civ I claimed, but I couldn't win against a roleblocker who knew that I was scum.VisMaior wrote:A bit tilted to the towns favor I think, but d_rouge could have won it were inhim not lynched. I feel we did better than average
