Succession Mafia II: OVER!

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Hullo

/confirming

Lol, I'm a Ms. now. And I'm rich. :Happy face

Thankie Mr. Flay

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Dear mob lieutenants, your promotional leaflets are terrible. Not chic at all. What are these?

G.I. Joes

running around? Superheroes? Rolex?

Really?!

Are we in, like the

2010's

?!
Where are the Bogarts, where are the Gables, where are the Delons even. And where are the

fedora hats

?! Tsk, you are not gonna win my heart (or money) like this.

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Well, so serious so early on. Not that I'm complaining.

Carrying on as normal is the way to go I think. With the way Albert and Kinetic have been going on, paranoid me is thinking it's very probable they didn't get to recruit pregame and that they are misdirecting and possibly covertly discussing the splitting of their culting right now. Coming up with an arrangement in a tree stump situation is what I would try to do were I in their place, "beat the town first, then take on each others later".

Please read their "plan" and please notice that the selected players they propose to put to the lynch are all high profile, good players.

Although I'm not sure nolynch is the way to go either, as I've been trying to figure out Succession mafia I, and it seems that in that game the opposing cult started with recruits.

Right now I don't like Magister Ludi's list, that kind of lists are bound to benefit scum than town.

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Oh magic; day one begun while I was writing my last post.

VOTE MAGISTER LUGI

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Actually,

Mr Flay, could we get a confirmation over wether someone was recruited?

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@Cobbler, if roles were what they were going for, Corrupt Cop seems to be a good choice. Or go for the Vig type roles - Pharmacist, Dock Worker, Factory Worker and even Corrupt Cop seems a good fit here.

See last couples of posts.

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@Cobbler, if roles were what they were going for, Corrupt Cop seems to be a good choice. Or go for the Vig type roles - Pharmacist, Dock Worker, Factory Worker and even Corrupt Cop seems a good fit here.

See last couples of posts.

Read your post on Albert\Kinetic not being able to recruit pregame and just want the town to destroy itself if that's what you mean.

- Question if why would Flay-mod design a game in such a manner that it's an all town slug fest in the first day?
- Plus White flag rules denote they've already lost if that's the case

Although I'm not sure nolynch is the way to go either, as I've been trying to figure out Succession mafia I, and it seems that in that game the opposing cult started with recruits.

Does that answer your questions? Didn't you read that part?

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Actually ooba is right about one thing, either the mob lieutnants got to recruit pregame, or they both started with recruits. The possibility of there being no recruits yet can be ruled White Flag rule and game design elegance. So no lynch is no good.

I'm still thinking it's very possible they didn't get to recruit pregame as per what I said earlier.

I would be interested in further reaction to my posts.

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EBWOP
*...can be ruled out as per...

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I will claim now.

I'm a whore.

If I'm recruited by mobster A, mobster A will fail, and I will instead by added to mobster B's group.

I have untreated STDs, herpes, HIV, chlamydia, crabs, body lice, and the brothel's bed bug population is kept in check by snakes and gila monsters.

<3

I wanna be a whore too. A rich banker by day and a sleazy whore by night. Which means I'm doing it purely for the love of STD's and body lice.

Seriously though, DGB you say that you want to "hunt scum as we always do", but the next thing you do is to nominate a most likely to be recruited list. That looks contradictory to me. Explain?

Right now I don't like Magister Ludi's list, that kind of lists are bound to benefit scum than town.

To be fair he's the one that got us talking about possible recruitments if I remember correctly.

Nah, he got people speculating over possible recruit. Key word speculating.

Vote: Springlullaby

I might as well start with my gut, and work from there.

I have nothing to say to that.

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I don't see any credible reason to think Ludi is scum.
He's acted in a protown way by trying to take advantage of the town's setup knowledge in looking for scum. Hunting for recruits -- that's the point of the game for town...? Outguessing Albert and Kinetic may be hard or even lead to inaccurate results, but it's a valid avenue of approach.

Herodotus

, are you voting me because I'm voting Ludi and "you wouldn't want him pressured too hard". If so, why me?

As for Ludi's list, I think it's obvious that telling scum what you think they are thinking while your goal is to outguess them is not very wise.

Right now I'm ok with my vote. xvart does look a little frayed around the edges in his replies, but I'm unsure whether he has played with DGB before.

The whole Cobbler/ Raudhr Garm thing, I don't know what to make of on Cobbler's part it's possibly fishy but also possibly just awkward.

Cobbler

, when you spoke of policy lynch, of whom were you talking about?

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So you think Ludi is scum because he is trying to communicate with his recruiter through his list or am I missing something?

No, I'm ok with my vote on Ludi right now because I don't think his list idea is good for the town for the reasons I've already cited you've quoted: "I think it's obvious that telling scum what you think they are thinking while your goal is to outguess them is not very wise".
It's a self handicapping process, meaning that it is at best not well thought out townie plan, at worst scum trying to look busy while creating air.

Btw, I'm ignoring those lists too and I can't fathom why anyone would try decipher anything in them. Haven't you ever done lists as scum? Have you ever been outguessed at it by town? <--- Me, no.

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Also, I like the last post from xvart.

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On Cobbler.

@Cobbler

why did you claim?

@Yos

why do you think cobbler's play is good scum play, yet not voting him?

I think Cobbler is more scum than town at this moment, his claim does not make any sense as town, and I don't think anyone town, especially a newbie would claim that fast under very little pressure.

He is my default lynch today. I'm not in a hurry to remove my vote on Magister at this point though.

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On the off chance that was a real dayvigging (man I envy that role), DGB, why would you kill Tanarin, and not Cobbler?

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BTW DGB, the way Tanarin formulated his last post gave me pause too, but I think that what he meant was that scum would want to claim unrecruitable to get themselves investigated if they were investigation-proof. That's how I understood the quotes around "verifiable".

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What, ABR, are you saying that Tanarin was your recruit?

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What, ABR, are you saying that Tanarin was your recruit?

No, he's pretending that he's never, ever heard of fake dayvigs. They're all real.

DON'T LISTEN TO THE CONFIRMED SCUM

How many times am I going to have to tell you?????????

*slap springlullaby*

* oh really, but secretly enjoys the slap anyway*

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Spring 333: Question (to you or anyone else who may want to chime in on the whole thing): The cobble claim doesn't make sense from a town point of view, sure, but do you see any situation where it would make sense from a scum point of view any more than a town point of view?

I think it might be something I could have tried as an investigation proof scum. What with the lying low since the claim.
I need to look at his meta though.

Cobbler

, what do you think of that? Wanna vote yourself to prove that you aren't scum?

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Cobble claim of unrecruitable doesn't make me froth at mouth to lynch him.

'springlullaby, Bunnylover, Battousai' These votes are based off me being a 'probable recruit'. What in your mind makes you think that?

My vote is no on you based on you being a probable recruit, I made it clear that I wasn't going to think along these lines. My vote is on you because I think your speculations are pointless. Can you understand that I might think there are better way of finding scum? Do you think that I'm wrong?

Btw, I think your Battousai vote is OMGUS as hell.

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In a game with a cult, does an investigation proof scum really seem all that likely?

I'm thinking yes. I'm thinking there might be other scum than cult too. But maybe I'm wrong.

@

ABR

, what do you think of Cobblerfone?

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yosa:

VOTE: Popular Tajo

I don't think I'm allowed to say why. But he's a "doctor". I'd recruit the doctor even if he weren't guranteed to be a "role-doctor".

this screams vi rather than recruited scum, agree?

Dunno, as newbie scum I would do that kind of "look I'm a newbie" too. It's a hard call to make.

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I'm thinking yes. I'm thinking there might be other scum than cult too. But maybe I'm wrong.

But surely they couldn't be recruitable which would cause problems.

You've got a point, the two scenarios doesn't match. And I've done the meta on him, it's possible the whole thing was just newbie stuff. Still, I'm mad at him.

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Herodotus, what do you want me to elaborate on? I'm thinking now that Cobbler may lean more toward scummy town rather than scum. Because it does make more sense to read him as a 'retard'.

I still don't see the xvart wagon. I would like Ludi to answer my posts adressed to him.

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Cobbler, why aren't you mad at being called a retard?

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DGB, why would you like to lynch ooba?

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UNvote

@Tajo: Easily overlooked

I originally had my vote on cobbler due to the whole him claiming unrecruitable out of nowhere. When he did that, I was thinking he may be scum trying to protect himself somehow. If he didn't claim that, I don't even think we would be talking about him at this point.

Question I have for the people who have played DGB before:

How hard is she to lynch?

I think ThAdmiral made a damn good point. Whoever is the one recruited would indeed be active, if not MORE active D1, Even if it draws them heat. Odds are we would be looking away from said person anyway. She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.

What is this post? It looks terribly like you are testing the waters to see whether a DGB lynch would be feasible while simultaneously trying to not wet your toes. If you want to "look at DGB", why not vote her?

FOS

@Magister Ludi

, do reply to my post addressed to you thank you.

@Herodotus

Why are you still voting me?

@Zdenek

Why are you voting me?

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Btw, a comment on Kinetic's last post about DGB.

Kinetic is going to be a very dangerous tree stump - a far more threatening one than ABR so far who has been a little funny but mostly kinda meh (but I imagine ABR as Vincent Cassel and Kinetic as somekind of cheeseburger-american comix geek, so I do have a soft spot for ABR, anyway I digress).

What Kinetic did with his DGB post was to picture her as a poor player, and then creating the impression that she is leading the town.
What that kind of post may encourage is disdain for another player's playstyle.
This is very clever for cult to do because it is both bad for town morale, and good for generating non scum-hunting based antagonism.

1) Personal opinion of DGB's (or anyone's) playstyle (as opposed to play) should not be up to discussion, the only thing that is relevant to the game is whether you think someone is scum in this game, and whether you want to lynch them.
2) Everyone is responsible of their own vote.

Now I'm also, tempted to second guess DGB's alignment over Kinetic play here. But after consideration I don't think it's meaningful either way.

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I kind of want to drop the j bomb about cobbler.

That last string of terrible votes plus the claiming.

How probable is it in a setup designed by Flay?

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Battousai, what make you think DGB might be a recuit?

On Yosarian, I think the case on him is mostly weak, but the pressure is nice.

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So after, Kinetic's last post I believe even more strongly that there weren't recruit choice sent in today and that the likeliest scenario is that both CR started with partner in crime. But I seems to be the only one of that opinion, for whatever reason, but that's okay.

Anyway, further comment on Kinetic's post: don't let the attempt at putting pressure get to you. If this day end in a mislynch, it's not the end of the world, it happens, you know it, and any balanced game will make sure that it doesn't mean auto lose for the town. What I'm trying to say here is not that today's lynch is not important, but that town should not be demoralized by scum (who doesn't have enough taste to wear fedora hat) antics. That was a public service message provided to you by your friendly banker: sad town means sad money ( I also so happen to be reading a book about the Psychological Warfare Branch in WWII).

Further comments incoming.

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1. I've change my mind about Ludi, rereading his iso and quick after a quick meta, I decided he may not be faking his obstinacy at outguessing the CR.

UNVOTE

2. On jester speculation. What can I say, my brain went like this: he makes more sense as newb town > but OMG scummy, can't ignore> do not compute>...>this is an unusual setup>...>jester?

3.

LL: IF I were you, I'd ignore it. We already know Kinetic is scum; if he talks about actual game related stuff, it could work to our advantage, but if we let him distract the town into a pointless side conversation that slows us down, worsens the signal/noise ratio, and waste valuable time, it only helps him and hurts us. Kinetic is smart, he doesn't do anything without a reason, and this is probably a gambit. It looks like he's trying to bait you for tactical reasons, trying to make you mad and keep you talking about non-game-related stuff to make you look worse, to both stall and confuse the town and probably make you easier to lynch. Don't fall for it.

In related news, I am pretty convinced now that at least Kinetic did not recruit Lady Lambdadelta. Baiting your lone cult recruit like that, making them more visible, would be terrible play; and I also don't think LL would get this angry at her cult recruiter, and, no offense, but I don't think she's probably the kind of player who's willing or able to fake that kind of anger. That doesn't prove she's town, of course, but it lowers the odds of her being scum.

This pings hard. It smells of buddying up while trying not to be obvious by adding a light playstyle berating to the mix, and while still leaving open the option that LL might still be scum. It's just not straightforward.

VOTE YOS

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This pings hard. It smells of buddying up while trying not to be obvious by adding a light playstyle berating to the mix, and while still leaving open the option that LL might still be scum. It's just not straightforward.

...what are you talking about?

It's completly streightfoward. I think LL was not recruited by Kinetic, you can tell that by their interaction. It does leave open the possibility that LL was recruited by Albert, but it's still a useful fact to know.

I'm not liking your answer here because I'm thinking that if you were town, you would know that the post I'm putting in dispute isn't a strong post. But maybe I wasn't clear, so my thinking goes like this:

LL: IF I were you, I'd ignore it. We already know Kinetic is scum; if he talks about actual game related stuff, it could work to our advantage, but if we let him distract the town into a pointless side conversation that slows us down, worsens the signal/noise ratio, and waste valuable time, it only helps him and hurts us. Kinetic is smart, he doesn't do anything without a reason, and this is probably a gambit. It looks like he's trying to bait you for tactical reasons, trying to make you mad and keep you talking about non-game-related stuff to make you look worse, to both stall and confuse the town and probably make you easier to lynch. Don't fall for it.

In related news, I am pretty convinced now that at least Kinetic did not recruit Lady Lambdadelta. Baiting your lone cult recruit like that, making them more visible, would be terrible play; and I also don't think LL would get this angry at her cult recruiter, and, no offense, but I don't think she's probably the kind of player who's willing or able to fake that kind of anger. That doesn't prove she's town, of course, but it lowers the odds of her being scum.

The way in which you berate LL at first looks as if you think she is town, and that you wish to prevent her from falling for Kinetic's baiting. But then at the end of your post, you add that she still may be scum, on ABR's team.

1. If you think that LL is town, why the need to put emphasis on the fact that she still may be scum?
2. If you think that she still may scum, on ABR's team, why would you display willingness at preventing her from getting into a fight with the another scum team?

So you see, I think there is something that is not straight-forward here, something that doesn't fit.

The way I see it, the factor of disturbance comes from the fact that you try to achieves two things in that post:
First you try to buddy up to LL because she has done something you judge everyone else sees as town (btw I think you're wrong, and I think emotional display and pointless bickering is the easiest thing to fake as scum), by talking to her as a berating but friendly townie.
Second, you try to remind the town that she still may be scum.

And that's what scum want to do: be friend with townies, but still keep the pool of mislynches as large as possible.

What do you say?

BTW, my opinion on LL is that she hasn't done anything that makes her scum, or town, yet.

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Lol, go me.

BTW, Thad. I think your list idea isn't very good:
1. It doesn't really achieve anything besides permitting everyone to put up a half-assed list, with no justification for the most part.
2. It has the potential to be manipulative because, IMO, the person you want to vote for =/=the person you have vague suspicion about.
3. It certainly would gives scum the occasion to tend to the lists and do very little else beside that, and you kind of act just like that.

But this is day 1, and I can imagine someone wanting it to move along already as town so bah.

Preview Edit: well that should answer you. In any case, I don't really have 3 suspects. I'm difficult like that.

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The Yos thing is not gonna happen apparently. Though I must say, his reply was OK ish i guess, even though he avoided answering my couple of questions which where admittdly tricky.

@YOS, would you mind going back to my last post and answering question numbered 1 and 2?

I don t think Chronopie looks like scum. xvart doesn t either. Haven t played with tajo scum but I don t see anything wrong about him.

I'm kinda bah at the moment.

Will checking tomorrow. Out of the two leading wagon of the moment, I think the xvart one is more ok ish than the chronopie one.

I would be ok to lynch Thad too, for the list and the reasons I ve stated before, and because his personna is so likeable at the moment, one doesn t really have the heart to hang him, which leads to one thinking that it must be scummy trick.

I'm ok to support a tanarin lynch also. His iso is really bad, looks like someone wanting to look busy in his first couple of posts, then his vote about tanarin makes no sense. Well

Unvote Vote Tanarin

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Could someone link me when a meeting at 33 was discussed, seems I missed it.

DGB, are there people playing in this game other than you at Goofbash?

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For the record, I'm leaning on the side of leaving DGB alone at the moment.

@Kinetic, how do you know DGB's PM? Why wouldn't you say? Does it really matters? I can't figure this out.

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So.

@DGB

, could you link to me when a meeting at 33 was discussed? Also, are there any player in this game who are or were present at Goofbash? Thing is I kind of disbelieve you forgot to send a night action in, the deadline was long.


Also, I kind of feel sad I'm not recruited yet, there is never love for me ::snifles::

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@Albert,

where were you last night? Who do you think Kinetic recruited last night? Also have I said how much I like Vincent Cassel and despise anything american comix lately?

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I think only ABR. You know, I'm feeding and cleaning up after 20 people and playing games and trying to keep the house in reasonable order. I go out in the morning to get fresh fruit and croissants and I'm just exhausted.

You know what, I think it would be very rude of ABR not to try to recruit you what with you feeding him fresh fruit and croissants. But you might just have been protected anyway.

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@ABR

Why would you be so rude and not try to recruit DGB? She is feeding you croissants!

Guys, how plausible do you think it is that the whole DGB/Kinetic thing is a gambit on their part as cult together?

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Would like to hear more about from ML/Herodotus.

@Herodotus

, is there a reason you think Yos was not a recruit last night? Because I think he doesn't look good.

@ABR

Why wouldn't you try to recruit DGB? She is feeding you and all!

I think the Cobblerwagon is derp too.

VOTE THADMIRAL

Yesterday reasons, plus nothing of consistence today.

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@Kinetic

, why wouldn't you tell us how you found out DGB's PM? Does it matter really?

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If I say they might stop acting suspicious.

... And you are waiting for what?

What ML obv-gambit were you talking about?

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@Ooba:
I thought you had answered, but couldn't find it. I see that you said porochaz.
That leaves flameaxe, porochaz, and populartajo.

Huh?
Leaves flame, poro and pop for what?

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Unvote Vote Magister Ludi

Either you have reason to suspect Seraphim, or you don't. You don't half breadcrumb a PR, cast unexplained suspicion on Seraphim and disappear. It doesn't make sense as town. If you have info, you have info, if you don't, then you don't. Which is it?

How can you think for a moment, in a cult game, that "hinting" at info the way you have is useful in anyway?

Pop and Yos and Poro, would you guys considering moving your vote on ML please.

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On the Kinetic thing: I think it's pure bullshit. I think his last reply to me is fake anger. I don't think he would have let go so easily if he had really found out DGB to be in the competing scumteam.

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Will vote poro. Waiting on MLudi reply.

Mmm, paranoia.

I love it when its so nice and thick,

Lol, nice one. Made me laugh.

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I'm ok with ML claim.

@Seraphim, what did you N2? Why did you not claim like yesterday?

@BunnyLover, have you read

Porochaz was without a doubt Kinetic's recruit. Meaning that our priority should be to take out Kinetic's faction, as such I'm personally totally okay with giving suspected ABR recruits a free ride for the moment,

unless

Kinetic or his recruits are

especially

helpful and give the town something really worthwhile.

@Populartajo, if DGB is scum, who's recruit do you think she is?

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EBWOP

@Bunnylover, have you read what ML said regarding Herodotus?

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I'll be fine with either a DGB or Tanarin lynch today.

Vote: DGB

Those voting Cobbler need to do something more useful with their votes. Such as moving them to either DGB or tanarin.

@LLD: I have never seen DGB play like this as town before, and I have played many many games with her.

Katsuki, do you think DBG is a likely Kinetic recruit?

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Comment on Kinetic posts. Don't let scum disperse your focus. I personally think that another scumgroup is possible since I think that the only way to balance any cult game is to make them compete with night killing elements.

But

everyone, other scum group included if they exist, should get their priorities right: the focus should be to take down the cult one by one. That means taking out Kinetic first since he is down one member already. Personally, I'm totally OK with giving any other scum a free ride if they participate to this common goal.

Anyway, don't let scum manipulate you with more paranoia than necessary. Just look at Kinetic's last posts to give yourself a morale boost, the confirmed scum is squirming like fuck, desperation is written all over there, how cool is that. I must say watching him squirm is making the little saddist in me squee

BTW, I'm totally convinced Porochaz was Kinetic's recruit, look back at Kinetic post during the Porochaz wagon, it's written 'fuck my recruit is going down in flame' all over.

Also, if further explanation as to why I have been pestering Kinetic and sucking up to ABR is needed, I can provide if you can't make it out. But right now, I don't think it's necessary.

Also, I'd like to know why ABR think I'm kinetic's recruit too
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Now I think Kat looks bad, her trying to depict DGB as Kinetic's recruit is stretching, but I think someone said that they thought Kat wasn't scum so I have to reread that.

I also don't like tanarin, he has been making filler posts since day one.

@Seraphim, more explanation here please. Your story isn't adding up right now.

@Pop, could your answer my question to you please.

@DGB, what do you think of Seraphim?

I'll make a vote when people have replied, and I have reread the thread.

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You're an Albert recruit, then, and not a kinetic recruit?
If so, we can work out a deal. Otherwise, be prepared to join your buddy in federal custody.

I'm not scum in any way or shape. But if I have a suggestion to make to Albert's recruits, it would be to come forth with the information, for their own good.

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Also, if further explanation as to why I have been pestering Kinetic and sucking up to ABR is needed, I can provide if you can't make it out. But right now, I don't think it's necessary.

Is it because you're one of their recruits?

Why do you think I am a recruit?
And if I were a recruit, whose do you think I would be, and why?

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@Populartajo, if DGB is scum, who's recruit do you think she is?

What valid answer do you expect from this question, lullaby?

You are avoiding the question, I asked first. Please answer me and I will do the same.

@Cobbler, I expect an answer from you too.

I'm watching the DGB thing, for the record I think she is not a good lynch. I haven't yet made up my mind about Seraphim because the information is too confusing, I'm ok to let it slide right now.

I'd like some input from Herodotus just to gauge what kind of town I'm in.

@ML, why did you target Yosarian last night, when your scumlist of yesterday did not include him?

@Yosarian, you are kind of not scumhunting, is it just because you are lazy? Your vote is on seraphim but you are not calling for his lynch or anything.

@Fritzler, would you mind joining in the game, I heard you where good at the scumhunting business.

Continued dislike of Tanarin.

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It's not House. Springlullaby knows who it is.

Yes, it's a sexy bastard c:
ABR, why do you think I am Kinetic's recruit?

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I don't get why you continuously refuse to see the scum in front of you.

Go look at DGB towards the later days of OOT mafia. Then come back and look.

Katsuki, who's recruit do you think DGB would be? And why?

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To answer a question posted in thread, I'm not sure DGB is town, but right now I think she isn't a good lynch for today.

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@Kinetic

, you know what, I'm re-evaluating the advantages for town of killing your faction off completely. It may be just good to keep you both ingame for a little longer to play off your rivalry. The only problem here is that you are one crafty bastard, and a lying one. Porochaz was clearly your recruit, but you keep lying. You have to build a little more trust here.

Also, where did your "there is another scumteam" theory go?

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@Cobbler, I expect an answer from you too.

What else could you've been hinting at?

Cobbler, the questions I asked were:

1. Why do you think I am a recruit?
2. And if I were a recruit, whose do you think I would be, and why?

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zuupppp, prodded, post inconming

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I'm annoyed.
1) Cobbler and tajo have been ignoring my questions.
2)I kinda don't feel any special tingly feelings for Katsuki, neither town nor scum. I think the whole DGB spurred case against her is bad thought, it kinda is siding toward ego/OMGUS powered tunnel. But then the lack of defence from Kat, and general bad play is terrible also.

I think waiting for replacement and some explanation is where it is at though. It may even give this day some new momentum.

In meantime,

VOTE TANARIN

It would be cool to make this wagon alive.

FOS Yosarian

for oddly showing zero curiosity about stuff.
@YOS, what do you think of Seraphim now?

Also,
@MLudi, (your fonts antics are annoying btw ), what do you think of Seraphim now?

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Cobblerfone, are you town?

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@Populartajo, if DGB is scum, who's recruit do you think she is?

What valid answer do you expect from this question, lullaby?

You are avoiding the question, I asked first. Please answer me and I will do the same.

Counter bump

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Cobblerfone, are you town?

Why are you wasting everyone's time with this question?

Because I'm interested in getting an answer.

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i seriously dont get the motivation of this question but anyways since its SO important to you, ill go ahead and answer: I dont care. As long as a player acts scummy, Ill push for their lynch. Im so sick of trying to get something from kinetic and abr in this wifom clusterfuck if thats what you want to know.

Thank you for answering at last. I am asking you this specific question because of this( relevant bit in color, mine):

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3170068

ftr

I think Hero is likely cult at this point but for now I think its best to keep him alive.

Let me make sure we're clear. You just said that you want to keep someone alive whom you think is scum. Correct?
VOTE: populartajo

yes, in the same vein as we keep alive a claimed vig that can be a sk and use him to our advantage

do you sincerelythink your chances to be recruited last night or even nights before are low?

I detect contradiction. What makes you prefer a DGB vote over a Herodotus one, even though you think he "is likely cult"? Which cult is best kept alive and which isn't not? Why is your stated reasoning concerning Herodotus there not in keeping with what you said just now about not caring about which cult DGB is in.

Now, though I find you stalling for a very long time my very simple question is quite scummy, I'm prepared to hear your justification. Maybe there is a good reason for you terribly scummy contradiction here. Or maybe you are ABR's recruit, and we can make friend and talk over tea.

also what flameaxe said. You went back from lurking to active lurking with the rethoric questions and suggesting to wait from katsuki while at the same time voting for someone that asked for replacement.

I mistakenly though that Katsuki was the one who asked for replacement, even though, I'm pretty ok with my vote. You calling me out on it is bizarre since you are voting the same person. Also, I think your reaction here is a tad overdone, and the pre-emptively casting of suspicions scummy.

What do you say?

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BTW, I love playing dolls with the treestumps, and I think it is the way the game is meant to be played (I mean, treestrumps), but also the most fun way to do it.

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UNVOTE

I meanwhile chatting up Tajo.

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EBWOP:
Oh, I meant to say that Pop is maybe Kinetic's recruit, and we can talk over tea.

Damn, my effect is ruined now.

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Unvote; Vote: SpringLullaby

Justification behind vote please.

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Is there really a protown intent in asking that question of Cobbler? Or is it just noise?

Cobbler is someone I can't figure out, I'm asking him in an attempt to figure why, sorry to say this, he is all over the place.

That "Tajo contradiction" you're trying to play up is wrong. On many many levels. And again, where is the protown intent in trying to find a contradiction where there is none?

Please explain how it is wrong. You'll have to take the time to explain it to me because I don't see it.

Also, the "lolyou're stalling" arguement is scum posting.

Why?

In essence, you were setting off my gut feeling, and on further examining your last few posts, they're full of scum intent.

1. You gut is wrong. This is day 3, you have to do better than'gut' now, or I am calling lazy town or scum.
2. You have yet to explain what is the 'scum intent' that you have found.

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what about: YOUR QUESTION ISNT DESIGNED TO SCUMHUNT?

It is designed to scumhunt, I thought that a possible reason for a town-tajo to have made that contradiction was that your suspicion of Herodotus was not genuine: i.e. you wrote up some vague suspicion of Herodotus "to protect him", figuring that it wouldn't hurt to mutter the water a little for scum. That would have been a far fetched scenario, but I came close to doing some stuff like that while thinking about how this game should be played.

Someone is thinking in ABR just too much.
SLIPSLIPSLIPSLIP

What is that supposed to mean? Please explain the slip.
Are you serious with the cap?

What do you say?

DIESCUMDIESCUMDIEDIESCUMDIE

This is not making me think less scum of you. I'm trying to have an intelligible conversation here, it is the way that I scumhunt, you should know since I think we've played together before. If you are town, can you articulate something that is not pure bravado, emotional appeal, and caps while not actually making sense?

And if you are indeed Kinetic's recruit, the offer of tea still stands.

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Do I seriously have to explain every detail to you? Fine.

First off, gut is a good scum hunting source, get over it.

Secondly, there is no contradiction in Tajo wanting to keep potential scum Hero alive, because he's a cult cop. It is the same philosophy as keeping a claimed SK alive and director their kills.

Please explain where you see the contradiction. There is NONE there.

Thirdly, it's a scum arguement because town wouldn't try and use that as a reason to suspect Someone. It's flimsy and clearly scum motivated.

1. Your gut is certainly not a good scumhunting source, because I'm sitting here and looking at you being wrong.
2a. Why are you justifying thing for tajo exactly?
2b. I have actually pondered very profoundly, and have had two or three meditations, about a SK/ cult cop analogy. After three second, I have concluded that it doesn't actually make any sense.
3. You are not making sense, but right now I think you are just not very good at this.

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Maybe there is a good reason for you terribly scummy contradiction here. Or maybe you are ABR's recruit, and we can make friend and talk over tea.

Why did you here decide that Pop was unlikely to be Kinetics recruit?

I didn't decide such a thing.
My thinking on the matter is that if I correct in thinking that Pop is a recruit, he is still more probably a Kinetic one.

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Well that's neat.

ABR, did you try to recruit me?

I ll try to get as many replies in as possible before day end.

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ok, spring lets try this with no caps:

1. Can you clearly explain the contradiction I supposedly make? Because Im not seeing it.

2. Can you try to remember what was in your mind when you confused ABR with kinetic? (I suppose its not a slip if you were thinking something else regarding ABR when you made that attack).

3. Can you explain why you wanted to wait for katsuki because he is asking for replacement but then voted tanarin that also requested replacement?

1. In your post about Herodotus you said he was probably cult, but were willing to let it go. This struck me as bizarre because you were going so hard against DGB. Why would one potential scum make you foam at the mouth, but not another? What makes potential DGB-scum different from Herodotus-scum beside of scum-alignment? This is what I asked you in one of my last posts, why didn't you answer then?

2. I don't remember, I just confused the two prolly.

3. I've missed the fact that Tanarin had asked for replacement.

You know, I think your whole behavior over DGB isn't very town because you have tunneled her so hard. In a cult game don't you have more curiosity/paranoia than that? Why aren't you less confident? Is it just laziness?

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That's not a contradiction. Tajo wasn't leaving Herodotus alive because he was the recruit of a certain cultist; he was allowing him to live for being a cult cop.

I don't think it really make sense in Poptajo's case, why is he tunneling so hard one player (giving of the impression that he is a no-bs player), then switching his vote to another, but letting Hero slide off just like that while he stated that he thought he may be scum.

BTW, you guys have totally ruined this now, by giving your thoughts on possible explications before tajo has responded himself. The only question now is why the total flip out when I asked

Why couldn't Tajo be ABR's recruit?

At the time I just thought that him being a Kinetic recruit was more likely, due to his going against DGB, and DGB making being a Kinetic recruit less likely.

How does that question help you "figure him out?"

It makes him talk, possibly making him trip up at somepoint if he is scum.

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Spring, you have an answer. Is it what you expected?

I didn t expect anything in particular per se with Cobbler. Just seeing how he would respond. Right now I'm reswitching toward him possibly being scum because my "too scummy to be scum radar" seems to be broken due to Kat seemingly going to flip scum.

On a related note, even after reading SL 2294, I don't see a complete theory for tajoscum. I think I understand the point -- he treated me and DGb differently -- but are you arguing that tajo and I are buddies?

No, I think that the way tajo has been tunneling on DGB would be closer to a case of 'inside info'. But I don't know what to think of this at the moment since the Katsuki thing.

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What do you mean?

Plenty of bizarre softclaiming, hinting etc is happening left and right, and you never ask questions when you post. You don't seem to be trying to figure out stuff. You are keeping quite low profile.

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EBWOP

What do you mean?

Plenty of bizarre softclaiming, hinting etc is happening left and right, and you never ask questions when you post. You don't seem to be trying to figure out stuff. You are keeping quite low profile.

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At last, Oh beloved body lice, I come to thy.

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I had fun in this game wifoming with the treestump, not that it really worked.
I though Yos was scummy though, YAY me.
The egotist in me would like to point out that everything went downhill after my death
But nah, I think what hurt town most was the cop pair being misguided.
On top of that Kinetic did play really well and amply merits the win.

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Forgot to say thanks Mr Flay for hosting the game it was fun and puzzling. And the flavor really nice.
Pre-in for your next game please, if you will have me c: