Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[PeregrineV]

Hello, sorry about the delay, real life issues came up, but have been resolved with a happy ending!

Did prelim read, and will be back later for more, but @Pine, staying alive as long as possible while hunting for scum is what helps out best. Being dead town doesn't make your posts right.

[PeregrineV]

Not yet caught up but still here. Will be catching up and posting the rest of the day.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry about the minimialist posting- catching up now.

1- 1-CryMeARiver- null leaning scum, with stuff like this http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3065175
2- gandalf5166 – null leaning null- wary of single sentence playstyle, but good vibes
3- chesskid3 – playstyle seems scummy, but claiming guaranteed town
4- Albert B. Rampage – townish- creepy avatar face, but like the feel of the posts
5- Riceballtail- null, need more
6- Katy*-townish- liking Katy post, want more
7- Bunnylover- getting scum vibes (this vs this, for example.
8- IceyCupcake- null- jester-like softclaim + request- like the active posting part, unsure on the style
9- Amrun-leaning town- like the activity and details of thoughts
10- Dry-fit- null, need more
11- SnakePlissken- null, need more
12- WrathChild- null (in general like the town of the posts, but spends wayyy too much time discussing obviously bad claim plan)
13- Soben- town (getting almost 90% agreement with posts)
14- Beefster*- leaning scum (you HAVE to read the posts, unless, you know, YOU don’t have too)
15- PeregrineV- keeping up with game, needs to post more
16- BabySpice*- null leaning town- like what I read so far, want more
17- LynchMePls- null, want more (don’t like early posts as much as later posts, also too much time talking about badplan)
18- Zdenek- null, need more
19- Mana_Ku- null leaning town, like style, want more
20- inHimshallibe- null leaning null- relevant posts but don’t like single sentence style
21- SGRaaize*- null leaning town (like activity, don’t like some content, like activity)
22- implosion*- null, need more
23- Feysal*- null, need more
*Participating in the Icey vote-unvote-a-thon

[PeregrineV]

"Leave it to me!" one of them said. "Me, Andrius the Vamp-" the poor featureless body hadn't even finished his speech when a gosthly hand appeared out of the jar and grabbed him and devoured in a matter of seconds.
"It seems we can't speak our names."

"I'm a wight!" he exclaimed out loud. "I'm a wig-" his voice was suddenly silenced as a dim glow began to emerge out of his mouth and eyes. The glow started to grow stronger, blinding everyone for a mere second. When the light disappeared, they all stared at a lifeless shell. The features were back on the white body, and even though his eyes were completely burnt, they could recognize the face of Pine the wight

.

Based on similarity, going with flavor-based game mechanic.

[PeregrineV]

Started trakcing mid-reads..
EBWOP-
Gandalf*
Katy*
Amrun, CMAR, chesskid, Wrathchild- one icy vote powerup

[PeregrineV]

....they are far more lurky than me and providing less content.

Sorry, this came to mind.

[PeregrineV]

@CMAR- Did a read, then a re-read for overall interactions, then an ISO for specifics.

Also, I think the mod was just going with the flow and showing where the vote was instead of meaning anything greater.

@Soben- I initally thought about it, but in the interest of actually catching up and posting content, decided to forgo stuff like

"Ohhh- breadcrumb?"
and
"Does this mean you get 13 votes?"

And I've addressed topical stuff, I think, in the respective person. But, if you'd like my specific opinion about something earlier in the (game) day, please ask.
re:SRG- He was the first to gather votes, and they seemed justified at first, as did the ones that went to Pine. But, he seemed to respond to his voters enough to lose the wagon. Didn't like the meta-talk, liked the wall posts and reads, and like the activity level.

@WC- like the vote count analysis, but agree with Inhim about it not determining alignments at this point. But, I like having VCAs and referring to them later.

[PeregrineV]

@CMAR- Did a read, then a re-read for overall interactions, then an ISO for specifics.

Also, I think the mod was just going with the flow and showing where the vote was instead of meaning anything greater.

@Soben- I initally thought about it, but in the interest of actually catching up and posting content,

decided to forgo

stuff like

"Ohhh- breadcrumb?"
and
"Does this mean you get 13 votes?"

And

I've addressed topical stuff, I think, in the respective person

. But, if you'd like

my specific opinion about something earlier in the (game) day, please ask

.
re:SRG- He was the first to gather votes, and they seemed justified at first, as did the ones that went to Pine. But, he seemed to respond to his voters enough to lose the wagon. Didn't like the meta-talk, liked the wall posts and reads, and like the activity level.

@WC- like the vote count analysis, but agree with Inhim about it not determining alignments at this point. But, I like having VCAs and referring to them later.

Ugh. This post is just awful. Focusing on the RVS? Try looking at the recent. It's generally more useful.

unvote

VOTE: IC

unvote

VOTE: Peregrine

I'm gonna give Amrun a little cooldown time and shift the perspective a bit. Amrun might be a better vig option, anyway. She's taking the game way too seriously.

Ugh. This post is just awful. Failing to read? Try reading. It's generally more useful.
Look, I've even bolded the confusing parts.

And I like the fact Amrun is taking it seriously. It's a game to

play

to

have fun

and to

win

.

[PeregrineV]

Implo, Amrun, gandalf made the top 3. Choose who dies.

My order of preference:

CryMeARiver
implosion

[PeregrineV]

Implo, Amrun, gandalf made the top 3. Choose who dies.

My order of preference:

CryMeARiver
implosion

Hey there. Provide your case on me asswipe.

Well, not voting you yet, so don't need a case. However, certain things I didn't like:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3064692- It is much more preferable to lynch scum than to mislynch.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3065175- defending the above post
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3078599- resorting to name calling


Better yet, how did you come up with your list of three? Why them?

[PeregrineV]

Implo, Amrun, gandalf made the top 3. Choose who dies.

My order of preference:

CryMeARiver
implosion

Hey there. Provide your case on me asswipe.

Well, not voting you yet, so don't need a case. However, certain things I didn't like:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3064692-

It is much more preferable to lynch scum than to mislynch.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3065175-

defending the above post

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... #p3078599-

resorting to name calling

Better yet, how did you come up with your list of three? Why them?

Bold

- Something scum would say. Town doesn't need to say something so ridiculous as it is clear and never did I say it wasn't more preferable to lynch scum than to mislynch.

Italics

- Yes. I felt the need to explain what I had said further. Can't wait to know how this is scummy.

Underlined

- 1) You deserved it as you were indeed being an asswipe for showing high suspicion on me when you had never done so before. 2) I generally use name calling when it comes to lurkers who come out of the blue and act like they are trying to lead. Actually, I just generally use name calling/cursing. 3) You deserve to be called an asswipe yet again now for saying you don't need a case on me when you just stated me to be your number 1 lynch choice.

I came up with that list of three because, if you've noticed, I've been updating the list of possible Day 1 lynches consistently and I have narrowed down my choices to those 3 (unless someone else tries to take that honor). Also, besides me personally, the town has also showed suspicion of these 3.

Ok, I really wasn't specific enough I guess.

At this point, I don't care if you're town. This mislynch would be okay with me.

I find this quote to be scummy.

I just realized that people might think of what I am doing as 1) Something with scum motives and 2) Scum trying to appear protown, but this is how I genuinely feel about AtE through selfvotes.

I read this quote to say "Even though what I said was scummy trying not to look scummy, this is really how I feel about appeal to emotion through selfvotes."
If that's not what you meant, then what did you mean?

1) It's not high suspicion. It's things I didn't like. Posting things about you doesn't make me an asswipe.
2) Sorry, the early lurking was out of my control, but I'm here now, so moving to current topics would be appreciated. Asswipe. (I use that when people call me names )
3) I thought your list was referring to damage choices. I haven't decided on my lynch choice yet. (I hate day1 btw).

And implosion made a pretty good case on Gandalf recently. What do you think about it, and Gandalf's response?

[PeregrineV]

decided to forgo

[early day1 joke/random posts]
And

I've addressed topical stuff, I think, in the respective person

. But, if you'd like

my specific opinion about something earlier in the (game) day, please ask

.
quote]Honestly, it looks like you just threw that in at the last minute to make your post seem useful. The bolded parts are so incredibly general that they don't really have any meaning.

If the words "If you would like my specific opinion about something earlier in the (game) day, please ask" doesn't have meaning for you, then I can't really help you.
Perhaps this will help: http://translate.google.com/#

And I like the fact Amrun is taking it seriously. It's a game to

play

to

have fun

and to

win

.

Those 2 sentences have nothing to do with each other. Bus your scumbuddy already.

Let's use the Socratic method here.
Why do you think Amrun is taking the game seriously?
Do you think Amrun is playing the game?
Why do you think Amrun is playing the game?
Do you think Amrun has fun when she takes the game seriously?
Do you think Amrun has fun when she wins?

[PeregrineV]

@Beefster re post 977- I responded with more detials to CMAR. The links were supposed to be to posts not pages http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3079190 should link to post 977.

@Soben- I think it's perfectly fair to judge Chesskind and Manu separately. I'm not going with claiming=confirmed in a big game like this. Granted, I tend to put them townish in my head because of it, but I still keep separate reads also.

re-Multiple scumteams- Agree exactly withGandalf's post

@CMAR & ABR: What do you mean by this?
[quote=43 pages for a D1 lynch is beyond overkill for a swingy game like this.]

@gandalf- implosions case seems legitimate. Why would you not read it, and at least respond to the parts you find valid?

[PeregrineV]

@Beefster-

@Soben- Not feeling the Implosion case at this point. Of course,I can be fooled, but it seems there are better lynches for today.

@Gandalf- Implosion's full case:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3082214, and followup:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3082857
Please comment.

@CMAR-

@RBT- Are you under some sort of posting restriction?

Vote:RBT

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP: #@*%^ links:
@Gandalf- Implosion's full case:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p3082214, and followup:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 7#p3082857
Please comment.

[PeregrineV]

Clearing up some technical matters regarding my current state of health. Then will be back with important message.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, discussed and fixed. Now that that's done:

@whoever hit me- you suck.

I wish I had a big ass bomb, I'd blow everyone up, and let the undead pop back up and win.

I think vote counts can still be analyzed, despite what someone said yesterday.

FoS: Dry-Fit

(sheeping only confirmed town for now)

[PeregrineV]

@Beefster-Uh, no.

@Feysal- I do better later in game, esp. big ones (like Cold War). I also do better on the weekdays while I mix business with mafia at work.
The important message was whoever hit me sucks. It's important they understand how slimy they are.

[PeregrineV]

@WC- I like all your postings regarding kill analysis and such.
So are we going on the fact that the only town-killed-town is Amrun? Isn't 4 scum kills a night like way too many?

[PeregrineV]

@WC- I like all your postings regarding kill analysis and such.
So are we going on the fact that the only town-killed-town is Amrun? Isn't 4 scum kills a night like way too many?

Only 2 were night kills. The rest were day kills. I suspect that many people have killing abilities, but not that many can do it very often. I suspect we'll see significantly less Day Kills today, but maybe a couple extra night kills due to beatings.

While I have your attention. What do you think about RBT?

RBT is confirmed town and confirmed wight by the mod, so I'm guessing your talking about vengeful ability?

If so, maybe all wights aren't vanilla. Or they may be vanilla, but with some power varying in strength.
Pine mentioned something about weak attack before dying, but no health changes occurred in the vote counts during the day.
It could be an item, but so far the only item dropping is a dagger. Could be a one-shot item. But she was lynched so going with power.
Are you looking at some way to use it? For it to work we would need scum to kill her, and her to venge them back.
It may be possible, but lynching seems easier.

@RBT- Is your vengeful a power? Do you have to die to use it?

Also, now that I'm thinking about it, whoever brought back RBT should bring back one of the confirmed sorcerers next time. That would be much more helpful (no offense RBT).

[PeregrineV]

@Per: Reviving the vengeful wight, making me confirmed town that will also not get a NK... or who?

Also, more "votes" on Dry. Lurker scum is lurking.

You're already alive and confirmed. I mean for night2.

[PeregrineV]

@WC, InHim-
Nope, no intent to breadcrumb, but I do like the symmetry.

@Katy- Wished you would have waited to claim, they're only FoS not votes.

[PeregrineV]

PEREGRINE YOU INCREDIBLELY USELESS DINK

WE CAN'T UNVOTE

ONCE SOMEONE HITS L-1, THEY HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE NO LYNCH.

YOU JUST SPOUTED SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED TOWNIE WHILE NOT ADDING ANYTHING

MY GOD YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY SCUM. YOU AND BEEFSTER JUST DIE.

NOT REALLY SURE WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THIS. I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T UNVOTE.

I DIDN'T SPOUT ANYTHING, I GAVE MY OPINION.

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

[PeregrineV]

@WC- I am not undead.

[PeregrineV]

but we did block the redirector inhim

i dont get it

You could have been roleblocked, which means she wouldn't have been. You'd have to ask about what happens when a RBer is RBed.

[PeregrineV]

FWIW, I neither attacked nor healed anyone all game.

@Bunny- You have random spells? That range from a one-hit kill to messing up everyone's targets? Can you explain why town would have this awesome ability to fuck itself over?

[PeregrineV]

FoS Psuedo Votecount from 1539

Fingers onto and from Snake and Beefster removed

Bolded

are actual votes

2- gandalf5166 [Healthy] (0) - inHimshallibe, Feysal
3- A Gaggle of Geese[Healthy] (0)
5- Riceballtail [Bruised] (0)
6- Katy [Healthy] (0)- Surye
7- Bunnylover [Healthy] (0) - GaggleGeese
8- IceyCupcake [Healthy] (0)
10- Dry-fit [Healthy] (0) -

SGRaaize

, RiceBallTail, Katy, PeregrineV,
12- WrathChild [Healthy] (0)
15- PeregrineV [Dying] (0)
16- BabySpice [Healthy] (0)
17- Surye [Healthy] (0) - Gandalf
18- Zdenek [Healthy] (0) - Baby Spice, IceyCupcake
19- Mana_Ku [Bleeding] (0)
20- inHimshallibe [Bruised] (0)
21- SGRaaize [Bruised] (0) - WrathChild
23- Feysal [Healthy] (0)

Snow-Bunny- Mod - Bunnylover

Not voting: Dry-fit, Zdenek, Mana_Ku

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Surye

1. Replaced in, promised reads, FoS Snaked.
2. Nothing since then.
3. Healthy

[PeregrineV]

Deadline in 9 hours from the timestamp of this post.

I'll be healing myself unless someone recommends a better action.

[PeregrineV]

@SGR- Well, since I get the distinct impression from the thread that I was handed a knife and sent into a gunfight, and someone has been hitting me since the game began, you'll understand if I don't threaten the shit out of anyone.

@Bunnylover- Did I understand that you added another player? As in, not a replacement but a player #25. It's good you confirmed them Sorceror, but, you know....
And I want to confirm that you did not pick Katy to remove, because Katy was confirmed town and reviver.
Tell me this isn't some weird cult stuff.

@BabySpice- If you are not hunting a wizard, then this sounds like a 3rd party admission. Do you win with the rest of town?

@Surye- You were almost lynched yesterday, yet haven't heard anything from you.

Vote: Surye

[PeregrineV]

Of those people, Peregrine will die unless I do anything about it. Take him off your list.

Good to hear! Please stop it.

@SgR- Ummmm

1) Very non-commited to his reads

2) Complete lurker

3) Too much Mechanics talk

2 and 3? Not buying it. complete lurking and too much talking.

[PeregrineV]

And at the same time, in another ongoing game, you've managed to post more than three times as often as here, with actual reads, thoughts, and analysis.

Ahh, sir, you have dangled the bait. I'll probably accept. But, we both know what happens to me when I start posting actual reads, thoughts, and analysis.

[PeregrineV]

Suyre. Is. LMP. Is. Town.

This was was predicated on stupid yesterday. It is NOT happening again.

So if they look town day 1, then they must be town the rest of the game? I've noticed that a change in posting style once the town read is achieved is usually indicative of scum.

tl:dr- Let's hear from Surye today.

[PeregrineV]

Ahh, sir, you have dangled the bait. I'll probably accept. But, we both know what happens to me when I start posting actual reads, thoughts, and analysis.

You'll probably step on someone's toes, and end up killed because of it. However, you are likely to end up killed anyway, so the least you could do is share your thoughts while you are able. If you are town.

LOL at Feysal's incentive.

Fine - last big game (24players) I was in had 8 scum in 2 teams. 8 seems high but falls within the 25-33% range.

3- A Gaggle of Geese- claimed mason, but scum!

5- Riceballtail- TOWN

7- Bunnylover-Town, brought CSL into game

8- GreyICE- not town

12- WrathChild- Town Jerk

16- BabySpice - not town, bounty hunter of some sort

17- Surye-scum!

19- Spyrex- claimed Mason, but scum!

21- SGRaaize- scum!

25- CLS- modconfirmed town, but gone tomorrow (I think)

So these are the leftovers (2 POE scum): Pick 2:
2- gandalf5166- gut likes-town
10- Vaya- replaced Dry-Fit- gut doesn't like-scum
18- Zdenek- gut likes-town
20- inHimshallibe- gut likes-town
23- Feysal- gut likes-town

Yes, I know claimed masons, blah, blah, blah. I know they were investigated by Katy and someone else. But if there can be such a thing as Godfathers in a normal game, you can't expect me to think investigation immune doesn't exist in this game. And 2 slots, 3 players, confirmed town, and their not taking a HUGE ass leadership role? I mean, zero lynched scum?

So if any of my red are green, move up the extra POEs.

Anyways, there you go!

[PeregrineV]

@Feysal- let me go back and check and I'll let you know.

@Chesskid- Sure. Let me go back through since my last post.

re: Paladin confirmed by mod- If anyone has ever played D&D, Paladins are like undead killing machines (and my favorite class ), and undead are town.

24- Pine, a wight (sorcerers) mysteriously dies on Day 1.
4- Albert B. Rampage, a wight (sorcerers) was destroyed on Day 1.
13- Soben, a wight (sorcerers) was found lifeless on Night 1.
11- SnakePlissken, an wight (sorcerers) mysteriously dies on Day 2.

re: Adventuring party claim- not town but they win with town. Got it.

[PeregrineV]

Oh, ignore the list thing for now. I'll kill PV tonight. Just be aware that if he's not town, I might not kill him. I don't deal a lot of damage unless my target is undead.

I get it, you're saying you're a lich. What I'm saying is that all your abilities make plenty of sense for a necromancer.

Wow, the old witch theory. Toss them into a lake with weighted rocks tied to their feet. If they swim free they are a witch, and if they drown they were merely human.....

Pro-tip: Not all sorcerers are undead either:

9- Amrun, a spellthief (sorcerers) is killed by a vengeful spirit on Day 1.
1- CryMeARiver, a blood sorcerer(sorcerers) was found torn in two on Night 1.
14- Beefster, an uttercold sorcerer (sorcerers) mysteriously dies on Day 2.
6- Katy a mystic theurge (sorcerers) is found torn in two on Night 2.

[PeregrineV]

Yes, but you claimed undead already. And I get closer to winning if you're town, so I don't care(although I think it's unfortunately unlikely that you are).

I did? Can you point it out to me, please?

And if I'm undead, and hence town, why would the "town-aligned" adventuring party want to kill me?

[PeregrineV]

I already said, I don't think you are town. But if you'd been reading, you'd know that I'm the

antitown member of the team(as far as how I earn points

). As such, I'm on a tight leash. They say to kill you, I'm doing it. And I sincerely hope you do turn up town, or else I've wasted my action(well, not entirely, since I am demonstrating my willingness to cooperate). And I don't remember where you said it, but I distinctly remember you saying it.

I think you are referring to this:

@WC- I am not undead.

As to the bolded in your quote, you're the antitown member of your team......why are we not lynching you, exactly?

[PeregrineV]

If I read the sheet right, InHim's attack was redirected to me and was what caused all the damage to me. lol

@Snow_bunny- Great game!! I loved all the weird mechanics and the roles and the flavor. Pre-in me for the next one! Thanks for creating and modding this!!