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Herodotus wrote:And I'd rather not see Ludi, in particular, pushed too hard, because he's a newbie and may look scummy even as a townie if he's pressured.
Herodotus wrote:Cobb wrote:Okay, I think Yosarian might be the other recruit.
Cobb wrote:theotherrecruit.
Easy mode on?
UNVOTE: Spring
VOTE: Cobblerfone
yeah, easy mode on.
Vote: Herodotus
Hero wrote:Note: Albert and/or kinetic may have decided to choose at random, so let's keep our elimination of candidates guarded.
seriously?
Re: xvart wagon. Im really torn on xvart since he isnt usually suspected early days, so I dont know if his reactions are scumtells or nulltells. Xvart, could you show me some games where you have been suspected early?
Page 10, will read the other pages tonight.Call me Tajo.
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ok, skimmed the last pages, but got the general gist of the game
im also supporting a lynch of the following players:
in no particular order
Yosa is acting really weird, supporting the cobbler wagon with a weak argument (the fakeclaim) which is scummy as feck
spring, basically gut since start of the day
maybe Seraph and tanarin for tone of their posts and their reduced posting
I think Hero is definitely scum for his attack against Cobbler while at the same time saying we should touch newbies.
bonus: After a reread, I think I can also live with an xvart lynch specially after rereading his reaching case against cobbler and the tense tone of his responses.Call me Tajo.
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yosa:
Cobblerfone wrote:VOTE: Popular Tajo
I don't think I'm allowed to say why. But he's a "doctor". I'd recruit the doctor even if he weren't guranteed to be a "role-doctor".
this screams vi rather than recruited scum, agree?Call me Tajo.
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springlullaby wrote:populartajo wrote:yosa:
Cobblerfone wrote:VOTE: Popular Tajo
I don't think I'm allowed to say why. But he's a "doctor". I'd recruit the doctor even if he weren't guranteed to be a "role-doctor".
this screams vi rather than recruited scum, agree?
Dunno, as newbie scum I would do that kind of "look I'm a newbie" too. It's a hard call to make.
except the difference here is that recruiters wouldnt go for newbies.Call me Tajo.
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Yosarian2 wrote:So, Albert: if you were going to recruit a newbie like cobblerfone or MLudi instead of an experienced player like xvart on day 1, why would you do it?
what kind of question is this?
what VALID answer did you expect to get?
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Herodotus wrote:@Populartajo:
Read the game. [Redacted], and [redacted].
Do you disagree with my point that we shouldn't rule anyone out as guaranteed not to have been selected?
everyone could have been selected
the point here is that we are talking about most likely scenarios with white flag rule and with a long-plan perspective as I expect from ABR and Kinetic.
recruiters would not risk going with noobs since they can get lynched easily today or later
so cobbler wagon is fail
you knew this
but somehow still voted him
you are cultCall me Tajo.
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populartajo wrote:Herodotus wrote:And I'd rather not see Ludi, in particular, pushed too hard, because he's a newbie and may look scummy even as a townie if he's pressured.
Herodotus wrote:Cobb wrote:Okay, I think Yosarian might be the other recruit.
Cobb wrote:theotherrecruit.
Easy mode on?
UNVOTE: Spring
VOTE: Cobblerfone
yeah, easy mode on.
Vote: Herodotus
everyone, thoughts of this
recruiters, who of you picked hero and who of you picked yosa?Call me Tajo.
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Yosarian2 wrote:Really would like you to answer my question, Tajo. Why are you so keen on trying to get me to leave the confirmed scum alone?
As far as I can tell, there's nothing anti-town about me asking them questions. You attacking me and actually voting for that really seems odd, like you're either trying to fake a reason to suspect me, or else you're trying to prevent me from getting reactions from the cult recruiters.
YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.
THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT. PRETENDING THAT THEY CAN GIVE YOU INFO IS ANTITOWN.
WHAT VALID INFO DID YOU SINCERELY THINK YOU COULD GET?
YOU ARE CULT.Call me Tajo.
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Tanarin wrote:UNvote
@Tajo: Easily overlooked
I originally had my vote on cobbler due to the whole him claiming unrecruitable out of nowhere. When he did that, I was thinking he may be scum trying to protect himself somehow. If he didn't claim that, I don't even think we would be talking about him at this point.
Question I have for the people who have played DGB before:
How hard is she to lynch?
I think ThAdmiral made a damn good point. Whoever is the one recruited would indeed be active, if not MORE active D1, Even if it draws them heat. Odds are we would be looking away from said person anyway. She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.
WAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN
weak reason to suspect someone that is unlikely to get recruited : check.
asking if dgb is hard to lynch: why?
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Yosarian2 wrote:populartajo wrote:
YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.
Bull. I have been helpful, more helpful then many people in this game. Far more helpful then you voting me for doing something that's not anti-town.
I never said it was anti-town.
My point is that you are a good reasoner, and you of all players in this game, know that you COULDNT GET A VALID ANSWER from a competent confirmed scum.
Yosarian2 wrote:
If you don't think my attempts to draw the cult recruiters out are going to be fruitful, then feel free to ignore them, i don't care. You calling them scummy, though, when they're at best potentially helpful and at worst harmless, looks like an attempt on your part to fake scumhunting.
You are missing the point and growing more scummy with every weak defense you use.
Im not accusing because your actions are antitown. Im accusing you because your actions are FAKE. Because those questions dont help you at all to find recruiters.
tajo wrote:
THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT.
tajo wrote:Of course they are. That's exactly why they might be useful.
I don't know where people got the idea that WIFOM=useless. That couldn't be farther from the truth.
go ahead and post PRECISELY what valid info did you get from that specific question.
Yosarian2 wrote:So, Albert: if you were going to recruit a newbie like cobblerfone or MLudi instead of an experienced player like xvart on day 1, why would you do it?
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ooba wrote:populartajo is scum. 16 posts ..
- Strong Yos paranoia
- Players attacked {Hero, Yos, Spring, Sera, Tan}
- While a townie might try and figure out who's interactions with ABR\Kinetic appear scummy, I see NO reason why the following questions would need to be asked:
recruiters, who of you picked hero and who of you picked yosa?
tanarin, who recruited you?
See town really don't care whose recruit we lynch as long we lynch a recruit. This is poptajo acting like town who's trying to figure things out. But a townie for who's figuring things out - both recruiters are symmetrical and such thoughts won't ever arise.
Unvote. Vote: Tajo
Going to check out all ISOs to see if I can find other probables ..
paranoia is a towntell
attacking likely recruited players as the players Im attacking instead of going herp derp with weak choices for recruiters like abr and kin is a towntell. fuck wifom, cult recruiters want to avoid lynched recruiters in the long game too.
those questions I asked were for aesthetic and dramatic intent, obviously not designed to get a valid reaction, which you would realize if you had understood my case against yosarain.
this attack mens you are town, though.Call me Tajo.
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Yosarian2 wrote:Ooba: Yeah, Tajo makes a lot of sense as a possible scum recruit here. His whole "let's just ignore the scum" stuff isn't unreasoanble, but the way he's focusing on "ignoring the scum" but then not actually doing anything else other then attacking me for a theory disagreement seems pretty scummy. The arguments he's been using to attack me have been pretty thin anyway; it was basically just the theory disagreement, and him completly misrepresenting my attacks against Cobbler.
im not only attacking you, MR IMPORTANT
how Im misrepresenting your attacks against Cobbler?Call me Tajo.
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ooba wrote:Kinetic's bringing this up cause his recruit is getting some heat over the last few pages. .
that would be a very retarded way to redirect attention.
ooba wrote:Combine that with the fact that he tried to disparage my "I've found scum" post even before I posted (and after I'd said I'll be taking a look at Magister and tajo), I'm guessing tajo is Kinetic's recruit ..
why are you taking CONFIRMED SCUM actions at face value when they know we know they are scum?Call me Tajo.
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yosa, seriously, why cobblerfone?
do you seriously think kin and abr would have gone with a risky selection and predicted people buying the wifom to not lynch a weak player?Call me Tajo.
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Yosarian2 wrote:The WIFOM "outguess the recruiters" stuff is useful and does have it's place, but I am strongly tempted to just ignore it and lynch people who are acting like scum. Because, yes, if the scum's only goal was for their first recruit to survive the first day, it's possible that a recruiter might have been counting on us not lynching a new player today. Especially if the recruiter personally had reason to believe that they were a decent player, just an unknown one.
I agree its possible a recruiter might have been counting on us not lynching a new player today.
But its a very risky move, specially since new players tend to get lynched sooner or later, and this pick becomes a high risk, low reward situation in the long run.
We are assuming surviving the first day was the critical variable, but we know for sure that kin and abr definitely thought on the long run when making that decision.
And picking a newbie is not a good decision.Call me Tajo.
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Yosarian2 wrote:In related news, I am pretty convinced now that at least Kinetic did not recruit Lady Lambdadelta. Baiting your lone cult recruit like that, making them more visible, would be terrible play; and I also don't think LL would get this angry at her cult recruiter, and, no offense, but I don't think she's probably the kind of player who's willing or able to fake that kind of anger. That doesn't prove she's town, of course, but it lowers the odds of her being scum.
It was time I started to agree with you, yosa.Call me Tajo.
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Kinetic wrote:O god I love this. This is even better than one of my patented name claims. Please, get 100s of useless results. I mean, seriously, at BEST there are two people who MIGHT respond to this that knows SOMETHING, and they won't name themselves. Who in the world could really know ANYTHING.
What are these names going to accomplish?
hahahaha
Carry on. I mean, haven't you realized yet? If you do not kill one of Albert or myself today the game literally becomes a choice. Either choose between myself or him. We will both recruit faster than you can lynch, even assuming you get one every night thereafter. There is no amount of killing roles or unrecruitables that could stop that without greatly effecting the actual gameplay.
Day One is the day of the town.
Day Two begins the day of the cults.
Run your town as you will, tomorrow, your only hope becomes to hope you get recruited and not lynched by the other side so you can provide more numbers for your team.
Dance little puppets. Soon your strings will be cut.
knowing kinetic,
THIS MEANS WE ARE IN THE WRONG TRACK
otoh, we are maybe in the right track regarding abr who is suspiciously lurking.Call me Tajo.
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Battousai wrote:xvart- I'm of the opinion that the vigs shouldn't blow their load D1 if they only have 1 shot. It would be better if they prolongued it as long as they could.
I don't understand the reason behind discussing if the CR recruited a past recruit from S1. It just seems like extra useless information.
I just dont understand why a mediocre player is the most suspected player to be recruited.Call me Tajo.
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wtf are you talking about?
The best chance at hitting the scum is later, when there are a lot of recruits.
With a reduced number of recruits, a vig shoot is dumb.Call me Tajo.
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Herodotus wrote:Yosarian2 wrote:Flameaxe wrote:
Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.
Is that really your whole case against Chrono?
I understand that you disagree? Do you find him likely town?
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Herodotus wrote:populartajo wrote:I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?
No, I don't. He's pretty null for me, in fact. I voted him mostly because I wanted to see another wagon.
UNVOTE: Chronopie pending a case for or against him, though his lynch would be tolerable. He certainly hasn't done anything helpful.
I retract my list of 3.
god this guy is so obvious scum
who wants to vote to see ANOTHER WAGON????
Agrees with chronopie lynch for not doing anything helpful when 50% of the playerlist hasnt done anything helpful.
unvote vote: herodotus.Call me Tajo.
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populartajo wrote:Herodotus wrote:populartajo wrote:I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?
No, I don't. He's pretty null for me, in fact. I voted him mostly because I wanted to see another wagon.
So you admit that you voted someone when he was null for you.
And your main reason is that because YOU WANTED TO SEE ANOTHER WAGON?
Why arent you looking for RECRUITERS, like people that arent null to you?Call me Tajo.
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populartajo wrote:populartajo wrote:Herodotus wrote:populartajo wrote:I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?
No, I don't. He's pretty null for me, in fact. I voted him mostly because I wanted to see another wagon.
So you admit that you voted someone when he was null for you.
And your main reason is that because YOU WANTED TO SEE ANOTHER WAGON?
Why arent you looking forRECRUITERSRECRUITS, like people that arent null to you?
fuck rethoric.Call me Tajo.
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Herodotus wrote:
Either arbitrary or self-serving.Porochaz wrote:Woah there, that seems arbitrary. I didn't list mine in order of preference and if I did it wouldn't be a simple 3/2/1 exercise anyway.
I'm not looking for recruiters because they are listed in the first post. The rest of your question is loaded rhetoric.populartajo wrote:Why arent you looking for RECRUITERS
Thad
Spring
Seraphim
again in no particular order.
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Tanarin wrote:I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.
Unvote Vote Thadmral
this is reaching and sheeping
Unvote Vote: Tanarin.Call me Tajo.
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populartajo wrote:why are we talkign about vigging dgb??
she is townier than town
NS dont be dumb
we should lynch from this pool of suspects: yosarian, spring, hero, tanarin
ive been suspecting tanarin for a while.
i think that last move is really really scummyCall me Tajo.
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Porochaz wrote:Tanarin wrote:I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.
Unvote Vote Thadmral
Chrono was way ahead anyway. Xvart is not a good lynch. Xvart is a lazy ass lynch done by people who for some reason entered this game deciding to be as idiotic as possible.
also also
How does Tanarin know that Admiral is pushing for a MISLYNCH?Call me Tajo.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:populartajo wrote:Tanarin wrote:I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.
Unvote Vote Thadmral
this is reaching and sheeping
Unvote Vote: Tanarin.
This is Tajo throwing down a few "buzz words" to make it look like he's scum hunting. Where does he explain how it is reaching OR sheeping?
I'm actually not seeing either of those two things in the post Tajo quoted.
anybody with a decent grasp at mafia can realize those two thing with little effort
the fact that you cant get it, does not make me automatically scum
hint: reaching because tanarin's case against admiral is suggesting that he would be the responsible of the chronopie lynch when thad is only compiling preferences
sheeping because there were alredy votes growing against admiralCall me Tajo.
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ThAdmiral wrote:Tanarin wrote:I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.
Unvote Vote Thadmral
Did you miss the bit where chrono was the leader of the list regardless of how the stats were interpreted? Did you miss the fact that I'm not actually voting chrono?
populartajo wrote:this is reaching and sheeping
Well said.
well, i already knew thad was a better player that ladylambadelta
chronopie lynch is stupidCall me Tajo.
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IF YOU WERE A CULT RECRUITER, WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE WHO CAN BE LYNCHED EASILY, A MEH PLAYER OR WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE STRONG?
IS THE WIFOM OF THE BAD RECRUITMENT REALLY THAT STRONG TO AVOID A LYNCH OF SAID PLAYER?
WELCOME TO THIS GAME, WHERE CHRONO THE MEH PLAYER IS ABOUT T BE LYNCHED AND WE WERE NEAR TO A COBBLERWAGON THE EASY TARGET LYNCH.
ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID OR YOU JUST DONT CARE?Call me Tajo.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:populartajo wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:populartajo wrote:Tanarin wrote:I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.
Unvote Vote Thadmral
this is reaching and sheeping
Unvote Vote: Tanarin.
This is Tajo throwing down a few "buzz words" to make it look like he's scum hunting. Where does he explain how it is reaching OR sheeping?
I'm actually not seeing either of those two things in the post Tajo quoted.
anybody with a decent grasp at mafia can realize those two thing with little effort
the fact that you cant get it, does not make me automatically scum
hint: reaching because tanarin's case against admiral is suggesting that he would be the responsible of the chronopie lynch when thad is only compiling preferences
sheeping because there were alredy votes growing against admiral
Really Tajo? You want to try and insult my play?
Should I go grab Bloodbath in Camden? Should I show everyone just how EXCELLENT you are at town?
You don't want me doing that. ^-^
go ahead, when I make stupid stuff (like you just did in this game) I accept it like a champ
you in the other hand just lost a lot of points of respect
i didnt insult your play. im calling you on your stupidity.
you are not perfect. realize that.Call me Tajo.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:And it's not like I apparently had a lot of points of respect from you in the first place
Anyway, I'm still up for lynching Tajo, but we DO need a lynch today, and I'm not supporting Chrono.
grow up
you dont live in a world of animes
you live in a place where you can make stupid mistakes and you have to stop being butthurt when someone calls you on them.Call me Tajo.
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populartajo wrote:IF YOU WERE A CULT RECRUITER, WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE WHO CAN BE LYNCHED EASILY, A MEH PLAYER OR WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE STRONG?
IS THE WIFOM OF THE BAD RECRUITMENT REALLY THAT STRONG TO AVOID A LYNCH OF SAID PLAYER?
WELCOME TO THIS GAME, WHERE CHRONO THE MEH PLAYER IS ABOUT T BE LYNCHED AND WE WERE NEAR TO A COBBLERWAGON THE EASY TARGET LYNCH.
ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID OR YOU JUST DONT CARE?
can someone answer this?Call me Tajo.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:populartajo wrote:ll, why do you want me lynched?
- Making Baseless claims, and then telling others if they can't see it "they aren't intelligent enough".
If you were really so much more intelligent than the rest of us, perhaps it would benefit the town if you graced us with your wonderful and insightful logic.
But you didn't.
- Ad Hom as a defense
You don't explain your reads when I question you. Instead, you go into SUPER FLAILING TAJO INSULT MODE, in the hopes that my questions will somehow float to the wayside.
Not happening.
- Use of Buzzwords
There's no real pro-town reason to say someone is "sheeping" if you can't back it up. You're simply trying to incite a wagon, without having to provide the evidence.
lol at ladyfaildelta thinking ad hom is a scumtell
i have evidence to back tanarin hate: he used a weak reason to vote admiral and he was sheeping the previous votes.
now leave omgus aside and start using your brainCall me Tajo.
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ooba wrote:
The way I read the game currently - there's no consensus on any of our reads - so I don't see a sudden shift in voting to any of the smaller wagons - so it's going to settle on Chrono or xvart (or at an outside chance - Yos2) .. So even if you shut down Chrono - it's probably going to land on xvart anyway .. So not much risk in shutting down that lynch if you're a recruit ..populartajo wrote:ooba, what is my motivation to shut down the competing lynches?
i was also again the cobblerfone wagon and im meh about xvart while Im the other hot option according to thad list.
my preferences are over the whole thread: yosa, spring, hero and tanarin. I dont understand how people can prefer a subotymal lynch like chrono or cobbler to most likely choices.Call me Tajo.
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who in his right mid would recruit chrono?
selfdepreciation case is weak as fuck
YOU GUYS WITH TOWN PMS ARE NOT PLAYING TO THE WIN CONIDTIONZ and want to keep yosa because its fun to play with
SERIOUSLY¡?Call me Tajo.
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