Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[populartajo]

/confirm

[populartajo]

im here, a little bit down for my actions on [redacted-ongoing]

im reading the game tonight.

[populartajo]

And I'd rather not see Ludi, in particular, pushed too hard, because he's a newbie and may look scummy even as a townie if he's pressured.

Okay, I think Yosarian might be the other recruit.

the

other

recruit.

Easy mode on?
UNVOTE: Spring
VOTE: Cobblerfone

yeah, easy mode on.

Vote: Herodotus

Note: Albert and/or kinetic may have decided to choose at random, so let's keep our elimination of candidates guarded.

seriously?

Re: xvart wagon. Im really torn on xvart since he isnt usually suspected early days, so I dont know if his reactions are scumtells or nulltells. Xvart, could you show me some games where you have been suspected early?

Page 10, will read the other pages tonight.

[populartajo]

ok, skimmed the last pages, but got the general gist of the game

im also supporting a lynch of the following players:

in no particular order
Yosa is acting really weird, supporting the cobbler wagon with a weak argument (the fakeclaim) which is scummy as feck
spring, basically gut since start of the day
maybe Seraph and tanarin for tone of their posts and their reduced posting

I think Hero is definitely scum for his attack against Cobbler while at the same time saying we should touch newbies.

bonus: After a reread, I think I can also live with an xvart lynch specially after rereading his reaching case against cobbler and the tense tone of his responses.

[populartajo]

yosa:

VOTE: Popular Tajo

I don't think I'm allowed to say why. But he's a "doctor". I'd recruit the doctor even if he weren't guranteed to be a "role-doctor".

this screams vi rather than recruited scum, agree?

[populartajo]

yosa:

VOTE: Popular Tajo

I don't think I'm allowed to say why. But he's a "doctor". I'd recruit the doctor even if he weren't guranteed to be a "role-doctor".

this screams vi rather than recruited scum, agree?

Dunno, as newbie scum I would do that kind of "look I'm a newbie" too. It's a hard call to make.

except the difference here is that recruiters wouldnt go for newbies.

[populartajo]

So, Albert: if you were going to recruit a newbie like cobblerfone or MLudi instead of an experienced player like xvart on day 1, why would you do it?

what kind of question is this?

what VALID answer did you expect to get?

Vote: Yosarian2

[populartajo]

why are you people voting for cobblerfone when we know its unlikely recruiters would go with a weak/noob choice?

[populartajo]

@Populartajo:
Read the game. [Redacted], and [redacted].
Do you disagree with my point that we shouldn't rule anyone out as guaranteed not to have been selected?

everyone could have been selected
the point here is that we are talking about most likely scenarios with white flag rule and with a long-plan perspective as I expect from ABR and Kinetic.
recruiters would not risk going with noobs since they can get lynched easily today or later

so cobbler wagon is fail
you knew this
but somehow still voted him
you are cult

[populartajo]

And I'd rather not see Ludi, in particular, pushed too hard, because he's a newbie and may look scummy even as a townie if he's pressured.

Okay, I think Yosarian might be the other recruit.

the

other

recruit.

Easy mode on?
UNVOTE: Spring
VOTE: Cobblerfone

yeah, easy mode on.

Vote: Herodotus

everyone, thoughts of this

recruiters, who of you picked hero and who of you picked yosa?

[populartajo]

WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL VOTING COBBLERFONE?

[populartajo]

xvart, Flameaxe, Porochaz, Tanarin, ooba, bvoigt

In one phrase, why would ABR and Kinetic have picked Cobbler?

[populartajo]

Really would like you to answer my question, Tajo. Why are you so keen on trying to get me to leave the confirmed scum alone?

As far as I can tell, there's nothing anti-town about me asking them questions. You attacking me and actually voting for that really seems odd, like you're either trying to fake a reason to suspect me, or else you're trying to prevent me from getting reactions from the cult recruiters.

YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.

THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT. PRETENDING THAT THEY CAN GIVE YOU INFO IS ANTITOWN.

WHAT VALID INFO DID YOU SINCERELY THINK YOU COULD GET?

YOU ARE CULT.

[populartajo]

UNvote

@Tajo: Easily overlooked

I originally had my vote on cobbler due to the whole him claiming unrecruitable out of nowhere. When he did that, I was thinking he may be scum trying to protect himself somehow. If he didn't claim that, I don't even think we would be talking about him at this point.

Question I have for the people who have played DGB before:

How hard is she to lynch?

I think ThAdmiral made a damn good point. Whoever is the one recruited would indeed be active, if not MORE active D1, Even if it draws them heat. Odds are we would be looking away from said person anyway. She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.

WAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN

weak reason to suspect someone that is unlikely to get recruited : check.
asking if dgb is hard to lynch: why?

tanarin, who recruited you?

[populartajo]

tanarin, how does claiming unrecruitable help cobblerfone cult?

[populartajo]

YOU ARE ASKING QUESTIONS TO CONFIRMED SCUM TO TRY TO APPEAR HELPFUL.

Bull. I have been helpful, more helpful then many people in this game. Far more helpful then you voting me for doing something that's not anti-town.

I never said it was anti-town.

My point is that you are a good reasoner, and you of all players in this game, know that you COULDNT GET A VALID ANSWER from a competent confirmed scum.

If you don't think my attempts to draw the cult recruiters out are going to be fruitful, then feel free to ignore them, i don't care. You calling them scummy, though, when they're at best potentially helpful and at worst harmless, looks like an attempt on your part to fake scumhunting.

You are missing the point and growing more scummy with every weak defense you use.

Im not accusing because your actions are antitown. Im accusing you because your actions are FAKE. Because those questions dont help you at all to find recruiters.

THEIR ANSWERS ARE FULL OF WIFOM AND SHIT.

Of course they are. That's exactly why they might be useful.
I don't know where people got the idea that WIFOM=useless. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

go ahead and post PRECISELY what valid info did you get from that specific question.

So, Albert: if you were going to recruit a newbie like cobblerfone or MLudi instead of an experienced player like xvart on day 1, why would you do it?

(god, I really hate the tone of the question)

[populartajo]

populartajo is scum. 16 posts ..
- Strong Yos paranoia
- Players attacked {Hero, Yos, Spring, Sera, Tan}
- While a townie might try and figure out who's interactions with ABR\Kinetic appear scummy, I see NO reason why the following questions would need to be asked:

recruiters, who of you picked hero and who of you picked yosa?

tanarin, who recruited you?

See town really don't care whose recruit we lynch as long we lynch a recruit. This is poptajo acting like town who's trying to figure things out. But a townie for who's figuring things out - both recruiters are symmetrical and such thoughts won't ever arise.

Unvote. Vote: Tajo

Going to check out all ISOs to see if I can find other probables ..

paranoia is a towntell

attacking likely recruited players as the players Im attacking instead of going herp derp with weak choices for recruiters like abr and kin is a towntell. fuck wifom, cult recruiters want to avoid lynched recruiters in the long game too.

those questions I asked were for aesthetic and dramatic intent, obviously not designed to get a valid reaction, which you would realize if you had understood my case against yosarain.

this attack mens you are town, though.

[populartajo]

Ooba: Yeah, Tajo makes a lot of sense as a possible scum recruit here. His whole "let's just ignore the scum" stuff isn't unreasoanble, but the way he's focusing on "ignoring the scum" but then not actually doing anything else other then attacking me for a theory disagreement seems pretty scummy. The arguments he's been using to attack me have been pretty thin anyway; it was basically just the theory disagreement, and him completly misrepresenting my attacks against Cobbler.

im not only attacking you, MR IMPORTANT

how Im misrepresenting your attacks against Cobbler?

[populartajo]

wtf is going on
No idea; multiposts deleted. -Flay

[populartajo]

why are we talkign about vigging dgb??

she is townier than town

NS dont be dumb

we should lynch from this pool of suspects: yosarian, spring, hero, tanarin

[populartajo]

Herodotus
Spring
Yosarian

[populartajo]

Kinetic's bringing this up cause his recruit is getting some heat over the last few pages. .

that would be a very retarded way to redirect attention.

Combine that with the fact that he tried to disparage my "I've found scum" post even before I posted (and after I'd said I'll be taking a look at Magister and tajo), I'm guessing tajo is Kinetic's recruit ..

why are you taking CONFIRMED SCUM actions at face value when they know we know they are scum?

[populartajo]

yosa, seriously, why cobblerfone?

do you seriously think kin and abr would have gone with a risky selection and predicted people buying the wifom to not lynch a weak player?

[populartajo]

The WIFOM "outguess the recruiters" stuff is useful and does have it's place, but I am strongly tempted to just ignore it and lynch people who are acting like scum. Because, yes, if the scum's only goal was for their first recruit to survive the first day, it's possible that a recruiter might have been counting on us not lynching a new player today. Especially if the recruiter personally had reason to believe that they were a decent player, just an unknown one.

I agree its possible a recruiter might have been counting on us not lynching a new player today.

But its a very risky move, specially since new players tend to get lynched sooner or later, and this pick becomes a high risk, low reward situation in the long run.

We are assuming surviving the first day was the critical variable, but we know for sure that kin and abr definitely thought on the long run when making that decision.

And picking a newbie is not a good decision.

[populartajo]

In related news, I am pretty convinced now that at least Kinetic did not recruit Lady Lambdadelta. Baiting your lone cult recruit like that, making them more visible, would be terrible play; and I also don't think LL would get this angry at her cult recruiter, and, no offense, but I don't think she's probably the kind of player who's willing or able to fake that kind of anger. That doesn't prove she's town, of course, but it lowers the odds of her being scum.

It was time I started to agree with you, yosa.

[populartajo]

lady lambadelata was CECILY before.

and since we are assuming that recruiters made their choice early, then lambadelta is not a recruit

so no.

[populartajo]

?????????????????????????

Who would recruit Chronopie? Even for WIFOM reasons?

+1

[populartajo]

O god I love this. This is even better than one of my patented name claims. Please, get 100s of useless results. I mean, seriously, at BEST there are two people who MIGHT respond to this that knows SOMETHING, and they won't name themselves. Who in the world could really know ANYTHING.

What are these names going to accomplish?

hahahaha

Carry on. I mean, haven't you realized yet? If you do not kill one of Albert or myself today the game literally becomes a choice. Either choose between myself or him. We will both recruit faster than you can lynch, even assuming you get one every night thereafter. There is no amount of killing roles or unrecruitables that could stop that without greatly effecting the actual gameplay.

Day One is the day of the town.

Day Two begins the day of the cults.

Run your town as you will, tomorrow, your only hope becomes to hope you get recruited and not lynched by the other side so you can provide more numbers for your team.

Dance little puppets. Soon your strings will be cut.

knowing kinetic,

THIS MEANS WE ARE IN THE WRONG TRACK

otoh, we are maybe in the right track regarding abr who is suspiciously lurking.

[populartajo]

what is the case against chronopie?

[populartajo]

Im on your same boat, dgb, I was asking to the "voters" why they think chronopie would have been recruited.

[populartajo]

I already answered that question, please read things. Thanks!

Can you quote it please?

[populartajo]

I dont understand,

He was recruited for a good majority of S1? How did cults work there?

[populartajo]

I see.

So the two cults tried to recruit him.. In what day? Also, how was his play in that game?

[populartajo]

So if you were the only one trying to recruit him night 4 and his play was so-so, then how does he become a viable recruitment day 1 with white flag rule?

[populartajo]

xvart- I'm of the opinion that the vigs shouldn't blow their load D1 if they only have 1 shot. It would be better if they prolongued it as long as they could.

I don't understand the reason behind discussing if the CR recruited a past recruit from S1. It just seems like extra useless information.

I just dont understand why a mediocre player is the most suspected player to be recruited.

[populartajo]

wtf are you talking about?

The best chance at hitting the scum is later, when there are a lot of recruits.

With a reduced number of recruits, a vig shoot is dumb.

[populartajo]

Re Chrono: Chrono can easily be seen as a probable recruit, as someone who was recruited for a good majority of S1. It wouldn't surprise me at least one recruit is a returning player.

Is that really your whole case against Chrono?

I understand that you disagree? Do you find him likely town?

I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?

[populartajo]

I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?

No, I don't. He's pretty null for me, in fact. I voted him mostly because I wanted to see another wagon.

UNVOTE: Chronopie pending a case for or against him, though his lynch would be tolerable. He certainly hasn't done anything helpful.

I retract my list of 3.

god this guy is so obvious scum

who wants to vote to see ANOTHER WAGON????

Agrees with chronopie lynch for not doing anything helpful when 50% of the playerlist hasnt done anything helpful.

unvote vote: herodotus.

[populartajo]

I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?

No, I don't. He's pretty null for me, in fact. I voted him mostly because I wanted to see another wagon.

So you admit that you voted someone when he was null for you.

And your main reason is that because YOU WANTED TO SEE ANOTHER WAGON?

Why arent you looking for RECRUITERS, like people that arent null to you?

[populartajo]

and you ignored herodotus scum

[populartajo]

I understand that you think Chrono was recruited?

No, I don't. He's pretty null for me, in fact. I voted him mostly because I wanted to see another wagon.

So you admit that you voted someone when he was null for you.

And your main reason is that because YOU WANTED TO SEE ANOTHER WAGON?

Why arent you looking for

RECRUITERS

RECRUITS, like people that arent null to you?

fuck rethoric.

[populartajo]

Woah there, that seems arbitrary. I didn't list mine in order of preference and if I did it wouldn't be a simple 3/2/1 exercise anyway.

Either arbitrary or self-serving.

Why arent you looking for RECRUITERS

I'm not looking for recruiters because they are listed in the first post. The rest of your question is loaded rhetoric.

Thad
Spring
Seraphim

again in no particular order.

why thad?

[populartajo]

I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.

Unvote Vote Thadmral

this is reaching and sheeping

Unvote Vote: Tanarin.

[populartajo]

why are we talkign about vigging dgb??

she is townier than town

NS dont be dumb

we should lynch from this pool of suspects: yosarian, spring, hero, tanarin

ive been suspecting tanarin for a while.

i think that last move is really really scummy

[populartajo]

I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.

Unvote Vote Thadmral

Chrono was way ahead anyway. Xvart is not a good lynch. Xvart is a lazy ass lynch done by people who for some reason entered this game deciding to be as idiotic as possible.

also also

How does Tanarin know that Admiral is pushing for a MISLYNCH?

[populartajo]

I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.

Unvote Vote Thadmral

this is reaching and sheeping

Unvote Vote: Tanarin.

This is Tajo throwing down a few "buzz words" to make it look like he's scum hunting. Where does he explain how it is reaching OR sheeping?

I'm actually not seeing either of those two things in the post Tajo quoted.

anybody with a decent grasp at mafia can realize those two thing with little effort

the fact that you cant get it, does not make me automatically scum

hint: reaching because tanarin's case against admiral is suggesting that he would be the responsible of the chronopie lynch when thad is only compiling preferences
sheeping because there were alredy votes growing against admiral

[populartajo]

I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.

Unvote Vote Thadmral

Did you miss the bit where chrono was the leader of the list regardless of how the stats were interpreted? Did you miss the fact that I'm not actually voting chrono?

this is reaching and sheeping

Well said.

well, i already knew thad was a better player that ladylambadelta

chronopie lynch is stupid

[populartajo]

IF YOU WERE A CULT RECRUITER, WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE WHO CAN BE LYNCHED EASILY, A MEH PLAYER OR WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE STRONG?

IS THE WIFOM OF THE BAD RECRUITMENT REALLY THAT STRONG TO AVOID A LYNCH OF SAID PLAYER?

WELCOME TO THIS GAME, WHERE CHRONO THE MEH PLAYER IS ABOUT T BE LYNCHED AND WE WERE NEAR TO A COBBLERWAGON THE EASY TARGET LYNCH.

ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID OR YOU JUST DONT CARE?

[populartajo]

I'm no liking how thAdmadral is suddenly changing up HOW he is calculating his list based on "weight". Notice how it basically made it so Chrono would HAVE to be lynched by his logic. This is AFTER people were deciding that xvart may indeed be a good lynch. Cult looking for a myslynch? I think so.

Unvote Vote Thadmral

this is reaching and sheeping

Unvote Vote: Tanarin.

This is Tajo throwing down a few "buzz words" to make it look like he's scum hunting. Where does he explain how it is reaching OR sheeping?

I'm actually not seeing either of those two things in the post Tajo quoted.

anybody with a decent grasp at mafia can realize those two thing with little effort

the fact that you cant get it, does not make me automatically scum

hint: reaching because tanarin's case against admiral is suggesting that he would be the responsible of the chronopie lynch when thad is only compiling preferences
sheeping because there were alredy votes growing against admiral

Really Tajo? You want to try and insult my play?

Should I go grab Bloodbath in Camden? Should I show everyone just how EXCELLENT you are at town?

You don't want me doing that. ^-^

go ahead, when I make stupid stuff (like you just did in this game) I accept it like a champ

you in the other hand just lost a lot of points of respect

i didnt insult your play. im calling you on your stupidity.

you are not perfect. realize that.

[populartajo]

And it's not like I apparently had a lot of points of respect from you in the first place

Anyway, I'm still up for lynching Tajo, but we DO need a lynch today, and I'm not supporting Chrono.

grow up

you dont live in a world of animes

you live in a place where you can make stupid mistakes and you have to stop being butthurt when someone calls you on them.

[populartajo]

batto, i wont be sad if you vig lady

but i really think cecily was not recruited

and this is lamabdelta just being a stupid

[populartajo]

ll, why do you want me lynched?

[populartajo]

ooba, what is my motivation to shut down the competing lynches?

[populartajo]

IF YOU WERE A CULT RECRUITER, WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE WHO CAN BE LYNCHED EASILY, A MEH PLAYER OR WOULD YOU RECRUIT SOMEONE STRONG?

IS THE WIFOM OF THE BAD RECRUITMENT REALLY THAT STRONG TO AVOID A LYNCH OF SAID PLAYER?

WELCOME TO THIS GAME, WHERE CHRONO THE MEH PLAYER IS ABOUT T BE LYNCHED AND WE WERE NEAR TO A COBBLERWAGON THE EASY TARGET LYNCH.

ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID OR YOU JUST DONT CARE?

can someone answer this?

[populartajo]

ll, why do you want me lynched?

- Making Baseless claims, and then telling others if they can't see it "they aren't intelligent enough".
If you were really so much more intelligent than the rest of us, perhaps it would benefit the town if you graced us with your wonderful and insightful logic.

But you didn't.

- Ad Hom as a defense

You don't explain your reads when I question you. Instead, you go into SUPER FLAILING TAJO INSULT MODE, in the hopes that my questions will somehow float to the wayside.

Not happening.

- Use of Buzzwords

There's no real pro-town reason to say someone is "sheeping" if you can't back it up. You're simply trying to incite a wagon, without having to provide the evidence.

lol at ladyfaildelta thinking ad hom is a scumtell

i have evidence to back tanarin hate: he used a weak reason to vote admiral and he was sheeping the previous votes.

now leave omgus aside and start using your brain

[populartajo]

ooba, what is my motivation to shut down the competing lynches?

The way I read the game currently - there's no consensus on any of our reads - so I don't see a sudden shift in voting to any of the smaller wagons - so it's going to settle on Chrono or xvart (or at an outside chance - Yos2) .. So even if you shut down Chrono - it's probably going to land on xvart anyway .. So not much risk in shutting down that lynch if you're a recruit ..

i was also again the cobblerfone wagon and im meh about xvart while Im the other hot option according to thad list.

my preferences are over the whole thread: yosa, spring, hero and tanarin. I dont understand how people can prefer a subotymal lynch like chrono or cobbler to most likely choices.

[populartajo]

Vote: Yosarian2

Ludi lynch is not happening so people voting him and anyone else at 1-2 votes are not useful votes.

[populartajo]

OK, of the 3 players in jeopardy, I'll have to head back to xvart.

VOTE: xvart

WTF

[populartajo]

who in his right mid would recruit chrono?

selfdepreciation case is weak as fuck

YOU GUYS WITH TOWN PMS ARE NOT PLAYING TO THE WIN CONIDTIONZ and want to keep yosa because its fun to play with

SERIOUSLY¡?

[populartajo]

No, my double vote was fake.
A little nod to my town loss in Succession I.

i would have liked chrono reaction to that hammer

DUH

[populartajo]

i just hate that people are playing to future win conditions rather than the current ones

[populartajo]

VOTE YOSARIAN 2

[populartajo]

What the hell is wrong with you, Tajo?

Anyway, yes, Serephem. Last night I attempted to target Ooba with an ability, but I believe I was roleblocked. Flavor was that I got a "blow to the back of the head".

ARE YOU LIKE SCARED OF MY VOTE?

WHY DID YOU CLAIM YOUR ACTION AFTER I VOTED YOU?

ALSO YOU KNEW SERAPHIM HAD A REASON TO ASK YOU THIS,

WHY OH WHY DO YOU INSIST WITH THE UNNECESARY QUESTIONS?

[populartajo]

hey

tajo's town.

WHY ISNT THIS A YOSA VOTE?

[populartajo]

What the hell is wrong with you, Tajo?

Anyway, yes, Serephem. Last night I attempted to target Ooba with an ability, but I believe I was roleblocked. Flavor was that I got a "blow to the back of the head".

ARE YOU LIKE SCARED OF MY VOTE?

No, but I think that it's scummy as hell that you voted me in response to Serephem confirming that I had a power role.

lolwat?

ARE YOU LIKE SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING CONFIRMED POWER ROLE = CONFIRMED TOWN?

WHY DID YOU CLAIM YOUR ACTION AFTER I VOTED YOU?

Obviously, I claimed my target because of Serephem's question. It had nothing to do with your vote.

OF COURSE IT HAD TO DO WITH MY VOTE BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED YOUR ACTION AFTER I VOTED YOU WHEN YOUR PREVIOUS STANCE WAS TO ASK RETHORIC QUESTIONS TO SOMEONE THAT OBVIOUSLY HAD INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR ROLE.

BASICALLY WHAT OOBA SAID.
- Why did you ask Ser that question - I mean it's usually obvious that people have good reasons for asking for claims
- Why ask that question and then not wait before replying?

OH WAIT HE IS SCUM TOO???????

[populartajo]

VOTE: DGB

[populartajo]

FTR, MY REASON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KINETIC

SECRET SCUMTELL FROM DGB

[populartajo]

dgb

[populartajo]

DGB, can you stop trying to kill yourself as town? I mean, as much as your suicide bombing tactics are enjoyed, (hint: they aren't) I would like to keep my town reads alive thank you.

why do you think this is DGBtown?

[populartajo]

Magister Ludi has pretty much outed himself as scum anyway.

On Saturday or Sunday there is a small chance of coherence in the DGB mood forecast.

I dont get how Luid outed himself as scum??

[populartajo]

HOW IS VOTING FOR HERSELF REMOTELY PROTOWN WHEN THERE ARE TWO CULT LEADERS ALIVE AND A WRONG LYNCH HURTS THE TOWN LIKE FUCK?

THIS SELFVOTE STUFF IS MORE LIKELY SOME SORT OF SCUMGAMBIT TRYING TO APPEAL TO EMOTION TO NOOBS WHILE THE OTHER SCUMZ TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

LIKE YOU.

[populartajo]

I THINK ML IS TOWN

WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS SCUM DGB?

[populartajo]

I RAELLY DONT WANT TO PLAY GUESS WHAT DGB IS DOING SO ILL JUST ASK GLADLY YOUNG LADY

WHY ML IS CULT?

[populartajo]

WELL THIS ONLY MAKES ME EVEN MORE SURE OF MY VOTE

BECAUSE HE CLEARLY SAYS THAT SINCE SELFVOTING AS TOWN IS JUST HORRIBLE, HE CAN ONLY CONSIDER YOU CULT.

SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAID IN MY 1486

[populartajo]

THATS A PERFECTLY VALID STANCE

"SELFVOTING AS TOWN IS HORRIBLE (SPECIALLY WITH DOUBLE CULT), THEREFORE YOU ARE SCUM" HYPOTHETICAL IS A TOTALLY REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO MAKE.

DONT PLAY WITH MY HEART

[populartajo]

THIS I CANT TOLERATE:

1.[quote=""DGB"]I'm going to spam the thread until I'm lynched good and proper, so I recommend compliance.You lynch me, I die,

but the town's chances brighten considerably

. [/quote]

Let's take this as a teaching moment, NoOb.
Let's suppose for a moment that I'm cult.

For 10 points, please explain how this helps my wincon

.

2.

hey
tajo's town.

You may be cult too tajo, you may.

3.

I probably shouldn't bother,

but Kinetic-scum's BS post above is not only wrong,

contains a least 3 points that don't make internal sense or are verifiable inaccuracies.

I think I need to be today's lynch because

if the town learns the hard way not to listen to Kinetic

(I know you're not doing it tajo, but others are. It's good for the town.

4.

I AM CULT
LYNCH ME

VOTE: Magister Ludi

Confirm vote: DGB.

[populartajo]

IM WTF AS WELL

BUT I THINK THIS IN INDICATIVE OF DERPNESS RATHER THAN SCUMINESS

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON MRS DGB AND HER SCUMMY WAYS OF CONTRADICT HER STANCES

[populartajo]

THIS I CANT TOLERATE:

1.[quote=""DGB"]I'm going to spam the thread until I'm lynched good and proper, so I recommend compliance.You lynch me, I die,

but the town's chances brighten considerably

.

Let's take this as a teaching moment, NoOb.
Let's suppose for a moment that I'm cult.

For 10 points, please explain how this helps my wincon

.

2.

hey
tajo's town.

You may be cult too tajo, you may.

3.

I probably shouldn't bother,

but Kinetic-scum's BS post above is not only wrong,

contains a least 3 points that don't make internal sense or are verifiable inaccuracies.

I think I need to be today's lynch because

if the town learns the hard way not to listen to Kinetic

(I know you're not doing it tajo, but others are. It's good for the town.

4.

I AM CULT
LYNCH ME

VOTE: Magister Ludi

Confirm vote: DGB.

[/quote]

[populartajo]

GVSDILHGOÑSAHGIOÑSHANGSAÑOGNÑOSAFNHKGÑLSAHGOÑSHAGOÑHSAFGJSFA

[populartajo]

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON MRS DGB AND HER SCUMMY WAYS OF CONTRADICT HER STANCES

I reserve the right to change my mind as often as I like, I don't have to be "consistent" like you and Porochaz and xvart and Ludi.

See what I did there? I just added Porochaz to the list.

ARE YOU ATTACKING ME OF BEING INCONSISTENNT?

BECAUSE YESTERDAY I THOUGHT YOU WERE TOWN AND NOW I THINK YOU ARE SCUM

TRY AGAIN

[populartajo]

IM REALLY GETTING FRUSTRATED WITH THIS GAME BECAUSE YOU ALL SEEM TO WANT TO LYNCH PEOPLE WHO ARE PRETYY OBVIOUSLY NOT CULT AND WANT TO KEEP OBVIOUSLY RECRUITERS ALIVE JUST FOR THE LULZ.

DAGSLÑHGÑLSDHF

[populartajo]

OH NOW WE LYNCH THE OBVHERPADERPA VI PLAYER THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE TO RECRUIT PRETTY MUCH EVER.

AND WE DEBATE ABOUT TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM, RAGE, WALLOTEXT, NOU AND SUCH.

WHILE DGB GETS A FREE PASS.

SIGH.

[populartajo]

why yosa doenst make sense as a night 0 recruitment?

i already said i agree with cobbler being a derp case .

i dont get how dgb is still alive.

[populartajo]

Also, DGb is correct that Ludi's reasoning is bad.

how the hell is bad when this antitown play doesnt make sense coming frm town while it does make sense from a scum agenda?

[populartajo]

wat was your question?

[populartajo]

and the point of that question is....

[populartajo]

why would someone that was heavily suspected day 1 would accept the fakeclaim?

[populartajo]

i really dont think a faction could lose the game if we lynched right day 1,

thats a big assumption you are making there yosa.

[populartajo]

Cobber is not a recruit.

Yos, you're really stretching here - why would he announce this at D2 start given that he never may be called out on it? If I had lied to survive D1, I would just keep quiet about it as cult ..

Please, then, explain to me how he could possibly be telling the truth here. Explain to me how his story makes sense. I just don't see it.

pretty sure you have seen a lot of vis making stupid things that dont make sense, huh yosa?

[populartajo]

placeholder

[populartajo]

Vote Ludi

Not to sound like a parrot, but basically what batt said is my thoughts exactly.

CAN WE PLZ LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG?

[populartajo]

we're lynching one of flameaxe, fritzler, ooba, porochaz, or populartajo.

I forget, why exactly are we limiting a lynch down to a list you, from what I can tell, arbitrarily came up with? Why exactly should I be following your lead here?

Cough cough cough.

We're limiting the lynch to the list I arbitrarily came up with because my guilty result was on one of the people from that list. (The other names were included because they fit a similar profile, and not because they are particularly suspicious.)
You should follow my lead because this is a smalltown game, so my claim is supported by the flavour.

LETS COME UP WITH ALL THE GUNS IN THE TABALE INSTEAD OF DOING STUPID STUFF AND WASTING MY TIME.

[populartajo]

So, so far we have and please correct me if im wrong:

Serpahim wants Yosa to claim his target. Yosa hesitates but then claims that he targetted ooba and that he was roleblocked.

DGB claimed she didnt use her night action.

Ludi claims Seraphim is also highly likely scum at this point and that he has information that pretty much confirms he is lying about what he did last night. Then bakctracks. I THINK WE NED MORE INFORMATION HERE, LUDI CUZ I THINK YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU ARE DIGGING A DEEP GRAVE WITH THIS STUFF.

Hero claims he has a guilty on one of five players, votes porochaz and we are confused as fuck.

[populartajo]

finally

I agree with Yosarian2.

[populartajo]

pretty sure herodotus could have got prozac lynched without having to claim

vote: prozac.

[populartajo]

KAY

VOTE: DGB

[populartajo]

Hint: every person heavily suspcted the previous days reduce their chance to be scum unless you think that person was recruited previously of their wagons.

thats why cobblerfone wagon is stupid as hell

[populartajo]

ftr I think Hero is likely cult at this point but for now I think its best to keep him alive.

[populartajo]

Hint: every person heavily suspcted the previous days reduce their chance to be scum unless you think that person was recruited previously of their wagons.

thats why cobblerfone wagon is stupid as hell

The argument, from those who have made it, is that he was recruited on N0. If he wasn't, then setting aside suspicion, the fact that he claimed unrecruitable means no one would have tried to recruit him unless the scum felt they knew better.

cobblergone night 0 recruit. yeah right.

ftr I think Hero is likely cult at this point but for now I think its best to keep him alive.

Let me make sure we're clear. You just said that you want to keep someone alive whom you think is scum. Correct?
VOTE: populartajo

yes, in the same vein as we keep alive a claimed vig that can be a sk and use him to our advantage

do you sincerelythink your chances to be recruited last night or even nights before are low?

[populartajo]

Tajo this is your scum meta.

No.

Were you recruited?

No.

[populartajo]

Sreiously, why are people still considering cobbler cult when its painfully obvious only a noob would have recruited him?

nig

[populartajo]

everyone, thoughs of tanarin in next post plz

[populartajo]

Posting from phone, big post tonight.

[populartajo]

@Populartajo, if DGB is scum, who's recruit do you think she is?

What valid answer do you expect from this question, lullaby?

DGB is after easytarget katsuki that makes zero sense as recruited scum. WHY I AM NOT SURPRISED?

Im really really torn on Serpahim. For one side, I hate when claims have that "doesnt feel right" tone attached to the, specially with "gut decision" and that shit. On the other side, why come out of nowhere and ask Yosa for target unless he really did have that information...

For now, Im still happy with DGB vote. Ill add a vase later tonight.

Good news is that Ludi is town, which means Yosa is also town that gives me more room for PoE.

[populartajo]

If anyone has an anti-recruitment power, USE IT ON ME. Feel free to lynch me on Day 3 after the plan is explained to everyone.

gogogogog

[populartajo]

Are you frikkin' listening to scum??? I can't believe you're listening to the confirmed scum. That's going to cost us the game.

Bad news.

I'll be honest I was gutted when Kinetic recruited me...

It doesn't mean that Kinetic recruited him, but probably he did - Porochaz probably didn't know that the recruiting cult wouldn't be revealed, he probably assumed that it would.

[populartajo]

DGB is after easytarget katsuki that makes zero sense as recruited scum. -

Porochaz was recruited.

Porochaz

.

Katsuki is like the hardest target ever, I have the case of the century, and the wagon won't get going.

are you implying that because prozac was culted, katsuki should also be culted?

fallacy fail

[populartajo]

Are you frikkin' listening to scum??? I can't believe you're listening to the confirmed scum. That's going to cost us the game.

Bad news.

I'll be honest I was gutted when Kinetic recruited me...

It doesn't mean that Kinetic recruited him, but probably he did - Porochaz probably didn't know that the recruiting cult wouldn't be revealed, he probably assumed that it would.

Seriously, scum, you're going to hold that against me? You know that I made the

correct

call.

how is that the correct call?

why are you believeing prozac when he says he was kinetic's cult and then attack ludi for listening to confirmed scum?

[populartajo]

thats like the worse asumption you could make

because

a) prozac is by far the worse player in the list

b) its more likely cult recruiters go for quality rather than antiquality for SIMPLE LOGIC and if they are trying to wifom us picking retarded players then they are losing sooner or later.

[populartajo]

epbwop

a) prozac is by far not the worst player in the list

[populartajo]

prozac >>>>>>>> katsuki

[populartajo]

pretty sure you dont believe that
anyways

If anyone has an anti-recruitment power, USE IT ON ME. Feel free to lynch me on Day 3 after the plan is explained to everyone.

gogogogog

[populartajo]

THIS I CANT TOLERATE:

1.[quote=""DGB"]I'm going to spam the thread until I'm lynched good and proper, so I recommend compliance.You lynch me, I die,

but the town's chances brighten considerably

.

Let's take this as a teaching moment, NoOb.
Let's suppose for a moment that I'm cult.

For 10 points, please explain how this helps my wincon

.

2.

hey
tajo's town.

You may be cult too tajo, you may.

3.

I probably shouldn't bother,

but Kinetic-scum's BS post above is not only wrong,

contains a least 3 points that don't make internal sense or are verifiable inaccuracies.

I think I need to be today's lynch because

if the town learns the hard way not to listen to Kinetic

(I know you're not doing it tajo, but others are. It's good for the town.

4.

I AM CULT
LYNCH ME

VOTE: Magister Ludi

Confirm vote: DGB.

[/quote]

[populartajo]

i already did

[populartajo]

Hi. As a small time politician, my vote is for sale. Who should I vote? Why should I vote them? What will I receive in return for letting you dictate my vote?

Flip a coin for Katsuki or tajo.

Why? A least one is a Kinetic recruit.

Reward: we go on a bitch-killing spree in the wilds of Arizona. Dry air is good for mummification.

This katsuki-tajo false dilemma doesnt make you look better, deegeebee.

[populartajo]

Could still be tajo, though. It's possible that Katsuki is playing badly and looking worse than tajo. I have a feeling that if tajo was honest-town, he'd know I'm town, I can't help but think he's going after me because his cult wants him too - that's why he gives no reason other than "

secret scum tell

."

Way to completely LIE about my reasons to think you are scum.

HOW IS VOTING FOR HERSELF REMOTELY PROTOWN WHEN THERE ARE TWO CULT LEADERS ALIVE AND A WRONG LYNCH HURTS THE TOWN LIKE FUCK?

THIS SELFVOTE STUFF IS MORE LIKELY SOME SORT OF SCUMGAMBIT TRYING TO APPEAL TO EMOTION TO NOOBS WHILE THE OTHER SCUMZ TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.

AND ALL MY ISO 75 THAT I REQUOTED ON 112.

DID YOU MISS THAT TOO?

I LOVE WHEN YOU FLAIL, BTW.

[populartajo]

Third Vote Count of Day Three:

Katsuki - 4 (DrippingGoofball, bvoigt, Nobody Special, Battousai)
Seraphim - 3 (Lady Lambdadelta, Magister Ludi, Yosarian2)
DrippingGoofball - 3 (populartajo, Katsuki, Tanarin)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)
Tanarin - 1 (ooba)
populartajo - 1 (Herodotus)
springlullaby - 1 (Cobblerfone)
bunnylover - 1 (Seraphim)

Not Voting: Bunnylover, Fritzler, springlullaby, xvart, Zdenek

With 20 voters present, it will take 11 votes to lynch.

WAIT, DGB, WHY ISNT TANARIN SCUM?

[populartajo]

Votecount plz

[populartajo]

1|

[populartajo]

dunno how that happened but I was going to ask what blatant contradiction are you talking about xvart?

[populartajo]

Third Vote Count of Day Three:

Katsuki - 4 (DrippingGoofball, bvoigt, Nobody Special, Battousai)
Seraphim - 3 (Lady Lambdadelta, Magister Ludi, Yosarian2)
DrippingGoofball - 3 (populartajo, Katsuki, Tanarin)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)
Tanarin - 1 (ooba)
populartajo - 1 (Herodotus)
springlullaby - 1 (Cobblerfone)
bunnylover - 1 (Seraphim)

Not Voting: Bunnylover, Fritzler, springlullaby, xvart, Zdenek

With 20 voters present, it will take 11 votes to lynch.

WAIT, DGB, WHY ISNT TANARIN SCUM?

MMMMM

[populartajo]

WAIT, DGB, WHY ISNT TANARIN SCUM?

MMMMM

Tanarin may be an ABR opportunist. I'm much more certain that you and Katsuki are Kinetic recruits.

last time I heard it was just one of us.....

Okay, lets take a different approach to prove DGBscum.

Unvote Vote: Tanarin.

also lol at oobascum, he is painfully obvious town.

[populartajo]

If you EVEN BOTHER TO read my iso, Im

"bussing"

Tanarin since day 1 which would mean we were both recruited in night 0, so LOLFAIL, TRY AGAIN, THX FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.

I think its more likely you are misteriously forgetting to attack Tanarin in your "ONE OF KATSUKI-TAJO IS SCUM CUZ THEY ARE ATTACKING ME" when Tanarin is also voting for you.

[populartajo]

In that case I would have recruited Yosarian or even Herodotus instead of a lame player like Tanarin.

Hmmmmmm

[populartajo]

how do you make that diferentiation? Im interested.

[populartajo]

so you think tunneling, giving reasons (regardless of you agreeing with them or not) and getting in a fight with your prime suspect is MORE SCUMMY than making an illogical vote and lurking.

you see, this is why I think you are scum, because you are not a noob and you are looking like one right now.

[populartajo]

so you think tunneling, giving reasons

Katsuki is

only

tunneling. Also, he's not even reading.

what about me?

(regardless of you agreeing with them or not) and getting in a fight with your prime suspect is MORE SCUMMY than making an illogical vote and lurking.

You're sounding pretty sure Tanarin is scum, but Tanarin has been under fire since Day 1. As scummy as Tanarin may be, the heavy suspicion makes him not the bestest recruit. Though after Poro flipped recruit, we know that the CRs don't necessarily have good taste in recruits.

So what are you trying to say here? That Tanarin is a bad choice for recruitment but he also could be a recruit because CRs dont necessarily have good taste in recruits?

[populartajo]

Show me where tanarin has been under so much fire that he couldn't be recruited. All I can recall from D1 is that he was a bit of a lurker.

Mmmmmmmmmmm

Maybe my mistake, actually. I had iso'd tajo earlier to see when his big Tanarin suspicion started (because I am considering he may be an ABR recruit), and looking at the dates quickly, I assumed it was from Day 1, so I second-guessed myself wrongly here.

As it happens, he started on Tanarin on Day 2, calling him a recruit, not Day1.

So in fact tajo could still be bus'ing Tanarin. Not that I mind.

You are still wrong since I started attacking Tanarin on Day 1, not day 2.

[populartajo]

maybe, if you werent seriously that scummy...

anyways, im not even voting you. Im voting your scumbuddy tanarin. You should vote him too cuz you are going to look worse when he flips scum.

Love,
Tajo
4chan's summerfag

[populartajo]

someone kill me

[populartajo]

Tajo is pretty high on my list; he makes sense as a recruit pretty much any night so far this game for meta reasons (IE: he's an experienced player who's not that high profile, and he has really never gotten much pressure at any point in the game),

lolwtf are you talking about. Im in pretty much everyone's list for those exact reasons.

and his behavior seems a little off. I'm having trouble explaining just what is off about his behavior, though, other then the fact I don't agree with much of what he's done.

protip: if you cant explain what bothers you about player x (that is, make a logical argument about it), then its pretty much something wrong with you not with said player.

[populartajo]

V//AL 8th

WTF IS THIS

[populartajo]

@Populartajo, if DGB is scum, who's recruit do you think she is?

What valid answer do you expect from this question, lullaby?

bump

[populartajo]

@Populartajo, if DGB is scum, who's recruit do you think she is?

What valid answer do you expect from this question, lullaby?

You are avoiding the question, I asked first. Please answer me and I will do the same.

Counter bump

i seriously dont get the motivation of this question but anyways since its SO important to you, ill go ahead and answer: I dont care. As long as a player acts scummy, Ill push for their lynch. Im so sick of trying to get something from kinetic and abr in this wifom clusterfuck if thats what you want to know.

also what flameaxe said. You went back from lurking to active lurking with the rethoric questions and suggesting to wait from katsuki while at the same time voting for someone that asked for replacement.

[populartajo]

Cobblerfone, are you town?

Yes.

OMG, I NEED AT LEAST A COUPLE OF HOURS TO ANALYSE THIS ANSWER.

[populartajo]

EBWOP:
Oh, I meant to say that Pop is maybe Kinetic's recruit, and we can talk over tea.

Damn, my effect is ruined now.

OH HELLO ABR RECRUIT

Unvote Vote: springlullaby

[populartajo]

Who in hell confuses the name of a recruiter?

Well, someone that IS ALREADY CULTED BY that recruiter.

KILL IT WITH FIRE.

[populartajo]

[quote="spring"I detect contradiction. What makes you prefer a DGB vote over a Herodotus one, even though you think he "is likely cult"? [/quote]
Hero claimed cop and got prozac lynched. While this doesnt mean Hero cant be recruited, this means we keep him alive for strategic reasons. WTF CONTRADICTION.

Now, though I find you stalling for a very long time my very simple question is quite scummy, I'm prepared to hear your justification

what about: YOUR QUESTION ISNT DESIGNED TO SCUMHUNT?

Maybe there is a good reason for you terribly scummy contradiction here. Or maybe

you are ABR's recruit

, and we can make friend and talk over tea.

EBWOP:
Oh, I meant to say that

Pop is maybe Kinetic's recruit

, and we can talk over tea.

Someone is thinking in ABR just too much.
SLIPSLIPSLIPSLIP

What do you say?

DIESCUMDIESCUMDIEDIESCUMDIE

[populartajo]

ok, spring lets try this with no caps:

1. Can you clearly explain the contradiction I supposedly make? Because Im not seeing it.

2. Can you try to remember what was in your mind when you confused ABR with kinetic? (I suppose its not a slip if you were thinking something else regarding ABR when you made that attack).

3. Can you explain why you wanted to wait for katsuki because he is asking for replacement but then voted tanarin that also requested replacement?

[populartajo]

How about this.

Then the countdown is at zero, if Katsuki hasn't shown up and convinced us that he's town, we hammer.

(expired on 2011-07-08 23:59:00)

If Katsuki shows up before, and convinces us that he's town, then we can lynch SL or Tanarin or DGB.

Fixed.

[populartajo]

Vote: Tanarin.

[populartajo]

If somebody has tools to fix my scumdar, call me.

hello, hello, with Cospiracy please? Please do this.

Vote: Darox.

[populartajo]

summary of my suspects.

dont know why you felt the need to quote all my stances on players at the time (shrug).

Tajo had me town on Day 1, and Tanarin/Darox as scum.

yeah you were townier than town.

On Day 2, when Kinetic starts to frame me and go rabid, populartajo changes his stance on my alignment, but never explains why there is a change in his opinion from one day to the next.

Do you seriously want me to explain why there is a change in my opinion from one day to the next IN A CULT GAME?

On Day 3, both Kinetic and tajo continue theit campaign against me, believing I am an ABR minion.

When did I say you were an ABR minion?

Tajo is my number #1 Kinetic recruit at the moment.
Tanarin/Darox is #2.

"Vote: town, FOS: scumpartner" powers ctivated.

If you were town and you had really read my iso with an objevtive agenda, you would have realized Im obvtown. But as I said yesterday, its painfulluy obvious you are scum with Tanarin specially with all that crap about Katsuki and me being scum because we were attacking you, and not saying a single word about Tanarin that was also attacking you

Also you are attacking me for not but supossedly NOT GIVING A REASONING TO MY VOTE, but you dont say a single word about Darox loltajoiscult attacks.

Good to know you are selective voting AGAIN.

[populartajo]

also lol at the accusation I could be distancing with Tanarin/Darox when IVE BEEN WANTED HIM TO DIE since FREAKING DAY 1.

try again, I guess, SCUMBAG

[populartajo]

Yosarian2, i guess its basically the same thinkign process you make in normal games where you have to spot the difference between town attacking scum and scum bussing scum, with the exception that in this case, a lynch on a recruit could have costed the game on day 1.

tell me whats more damning:

a) tajo constantly attacking tanarin.
b) dgb not attacking tanarin and then doing it when people start to find him scummy. (this is even scummier since tanarin was doing something that according to dgb was a scumtell at the time: tunneling against her.).

[populartajo]

And there were lots of hints that I was a highly unlikely Kinetic recruit, but quite a plausible ABR recruit

What hints you are talking about?

[populartajo]

So I'm wrong about eliminating bvoigt... Mmmmmmmmmmmmm

your team is so fcked up now

[populartajo]

i dont plan to iso you, specially after the selfvoting and the "lynch me after dgbplanz" shenanigans.

i want those hints in your following post since Im pretty sure you are lying here.

[populartajo]

And there were lots of hints that I was a highly unlikely Kinetic recruit, but quite a plausible ABR recruit

What hints you are talking about?

Probably Kinetic doing everything in his power to try and get DGB lynched because he thought it would eliminate ABR.
Just a guess.

Guess is correct.

Tajo is not paying attention.

yeah surely Kin is a noob that isnt able to wifom in a cult game where we know he is already scum.

anyways, did anyone actually BELIEVE his "investigation" yesterday?

[populartajo]

LOL AT DGB THINKING THAT EVERYONE THAT ATTACKS HER ARE SCUM.

ONLY NOOBS AND TRAPPED SCUMBAGS THINK THAT.

GUESS WHICH ONE YOU ARE.

[populartajo]

Oh thanks for belittling my argument, Mr Debating-Team-Captain.

Both frikkin' scum teams thought I was the other's recruit for Pete's sake... and you are on the Kinetic team.

GUESS WHO'S A TRAPPED SCUMBAG

YOU

both frikkin scum teams? who are they?

[populartajo]

you know how I am when I think Ive found scum. dont come with that BS and try to use logic with me,

If you can prove you were consistently attacked by BOTH scum teams then ok, Ill gladly unvote.

[populartajo]

hint: im not cult

[populartajo]

Hi.

Im sincerely lost.

All I know is that Darox and DGB are scum together.

Im getting more and more paranoid about Hero and I dont like it.

Fin.

[populartajo]

someone plz tell me all these claims because there is definitely some scumbags in the mix.

[populartajo]

i dont know what you are waiting to vote darox

[populartajo]

Looks like I'm set up for the laziest lynch yet. Good times.

Fun fact: I targeted Herodotus on nights 2 and 3.

DIE SOFTCLAIMER SCUM DIE SCUM DIE SCUM DIE SUCK DIE SCUM DIE.

[populartajo]

Im getting more and more paranoid about Hero and I dont like it.

Could I get the longer version of this? Do you think I'm cult, and if so, why?

longer version:
i think you are scum since day 1
yes you got the guilty on prozac but this doesnt mean you are not scum
in fact, if I were a recruiter I would have recruited since you are going to live long for your utility

[populartajo]

So...tajo, is your theory that Hero and ML are both scum together, or what?

I dont see how Heroscum means ML is scum??

[populartajo]

lolno

Confirm vote: Darox

[populartajo]

@Drippinggoofball: I am not liking how you are refusing to listen to the stumps altogether.

She already fits the active part by the way she is acting now, but if she also tends to get overlooked due to her mad ramblings D1, she could be a D1 recruit target. Personally, I think we should look at DGB at least a little before D1 is out.

[populartajo]

THIS CLAIM IS FCKING BS

But he goes for DGB because she looks like she's got a whole family of aces embezzled in her sleeve and Tanarin likes to live dangerously.

LOLNO

Fact is Darox didnt trust DGB day 1. I dont see a specially with

In fact, that change of stance from day 1 to day 2 is scummy as hell.

[populartajo]

Conspiracy is not culted.

DGB scrambling to throw town reads on players in the hope that by her WKing them, they'll vote with her.

That was

one

player... were you culted last night, LLD?

whats the point of these questions in these state of the game? do you seriously think someone would go DERPDERP YES IM CULT DERPDERP?

[populartajo]

Darox is claiming doc, not cult doc, so yeah try again, DGB.

HOW IN HELL A DOC PROTECTION CAN MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR READ FROM DAY 1 TO DAY 2 SPECIALLY WITH A NK ON NIGHT 1?

[populartajo]

So Tajo, the 2x reversal combo on D3 going back to thinking DGB is scummy again. Does that make Tanarin SUPER CULT, or did he suddenly swap from Albert's team to Kinetics? Do enlighten us.

It makes Tanarin SUPER CULT with MRS. DEEGEEBEE.

yep, that is.

[populartajo]

wait a sec

I received no hint of being targeted Night 1 - no hint of anything at all.

However, it's not impossible that Kinetic tried to recruit me Night 1,

and failed on account of Tanarin's/Darox's action.

Maybe that's why Kinetic went ballistic Day 1.

Kinetic was singing my praises to high heaven on Day 1. Day 2 he wanted me dead.

I'm not a Jailkeeper. All I do is prevent violence. All non violent acts would still proceed normally.

DGB, are you claiming that you have a role that tells you if you were targeted night 1?

think before you answer

[populartajo]

It shows that at some point before night, and during night, he changed his mind.

Doubt it, taking into account what he thought about you and what he thought about other people, like xvart, cobbler, ll in Day 1.

darox explanation that he likes to live dangerously is SCUMMY AS FUCK.

If he were a Kinetic recruit, he would have had his vote stuck on me all day to support his new Lord & Savior without looking suspicious, because he did start Day 1 with some suspicion of me.

what if you are both Kinetic recruits?

[populartajo]

what if you are both Kinetic recruits?

I'm not. It's not impossible, but I'd be a little surprised he he were.

You're definitely cult. Your thinking is usually much clearer and you usually pay attention. If you weren't cult, you'd acknowledge my massive radiating field of uncultedness.

if i were cult id pay more attention and id be clearer

loook, i can play the wifom game too

[populartajo]

Wrong on this one, but what VIOLENCE does Darox protect against? I would have assumed that being recruited might fall under that umbrella. Maybe. My assumption might have been too quick.

Darox could be a recruited Doctor, if he's a plain doctor.

YES, GUESS WHATS WRONG WITH DAROX CLAIM?

ITS NOT SPECIFIC, ITS VAGUE AND IT MAKES US ASSUME THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CLEARED IN ONE CLAIMING POST.

DOESNT THIS RING SOME ALARM BELLS?

[populartajo]

Yos: See this post

bvoigt: Probably because a claimed protective role protecting the claimed cop two nights in a row is a pretty pro-town move. Just a guess.

when you link to the third iteration of the explanation of your claim, then there is something really wrong with it

hint: its a FAKECLAIM.

COME ON, EVERYBODY.

NS: why the vote?

[populartajo]

- Tajo could be the N3 recruit. (DGB\PopTajo run around reminds me of my fav. scum play - Bus strongly but never bring the other close to lynch.)

if you read carefully, Ive been attacking DGB since early D2 and I am pretty much one of the few that think she is scum.

however many noobs believe that "lol selfvote, and lol scumputer" are town moves despite "i have a master plan but lol i forgot to do it n1", "lynch me day 3, i wont fight".

i just need that darox flip, that now im 100% is going to be scum, to get people to believe me DGB is indeed scum with him. ALL MAKES SENSE, the soft bussing, the transition to "lol tanarin is scum" to I BELIEVE THE CLAIM, lets LYNCH TAJO DERP.

[populartajo]

also the Tanarin transition to "I dont trust DGB" D1 to "she is just eccentric" D2.

[populartajo]

i just need that darox flip, that now im 100% is going to be scum, to get people to believe me DGB is indeed scum with him. ALL MAKES SENSE, the soft bussing, the transition to "lol tanarin is scum" to I BELIEVE THE CLAIM, lets LYNCH TAJO DERP.

So you want Darox to die in order to "prove" that I'm scum with Darox?

Why aren't you voting me, then? Why the particular order?

Do you know that Darox is culted with you, so that you can set up my mislynch the next day?

HEY MANIPULATE LYING SCUMBAG

I POSTED THE REASON IN THE SAME VERY QUOTE YOU JUST POSTED:

however many noobs believe that "lol selfvote, and lol scumputer" are town moves despite "i have a master plan but lol i forgot to do it n1", "lynch me day 3, i wont fight".

[populartajo]

I don't like Tajo's reaction to Darox's claim - I find the fact that he didn't include the quotes from Tanarin until asked odd.

. . . Tanarin likes to live dangerously.

What is this nonsense?
I'll be back later.

Why didnt you like my reaction? It was pretty clear to me, and at least to people paying attention, that Tanarin suspected DGB day 1. Just posted those quotes because ML asked for them and I assume he didnt remember that from day 1.

Also I agree: I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW "lives to live dangerously" is A VALID REASON TO THROW AWAY YOUR DISTRUST ON A PLAYER AND EVEN PROTECT THAT PLAYER THAT SAME VERY NIGHT.

[populartajo]

IVE BEEN VOTING YOU SINCE FCKING DAY 2

WHAT DID I GET?

NOTHING

MY VOTE IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING TODAY IM VOTING THE LYING SCUMBAG CALLED DAROX THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE YOUR SCUMPARTNER

A QUESTION TO YOU, DGB, YOU KNOW CLAIMS DONT MEAN NOTHING IN THIS GAME, WHY YOU WENT TO TANARIN IS SCUM TO TANARIN IS TOWN IN 2 SECONDS?

[populartajo]

It's true that Katsuki lurked, but IIRC, he wasn't recruited until later in the game.

How do you know this?

Albert said he recruited Katsuki because Kats saw his QT during Goofbash.

@Tajo:

Why would he fakeclaim when he presumably started with an actual town role?

many options, most likely darox starting with a vanilla role and trying to avoid his lynch with an unprovable convenient doc fakeclaim that doesnt even make sense regarding interaction with the "protections" and needed three iterations to become fully explained.

darox can still be part of a third faction, a simple goon, i dont know why starting with an actual town role imposibilates someone from fakeclaiming, shrug.

[populartajo]

I don't feel great about the Darox wagon - call it gut. I thought Tanarin was scummy, but as I read the game, I find it harder to believe that he was recruited.

why?

Hero, what exact part of DGB do you agree with?

[populartajo]

The only plausible explanation for why a person would lie about his role is because he/she was a night zero recruit and therefore never received a town pm. But even then, their is still a possibility that our mod gave everyone a town pm, then sent out the night zero recruit pms.

what about someone that got a vanilla town PM and then got recruited?

[populartajo]

The only plausible explanation for why a person would lie about his role is because he/she was a night zero recruit and therefore never received a town pm. But even then, their is still a possibility that our mod gave everyone a town pm, then sent out the night zero recruit pms.

what about someone that got a vanilla town PM and then got recruited?

They would still have to be notified that they got recruited and therefore still have that "Town VT" pm.

my point is that what is preventing a recruited vanilla townie to fakeclaim doctor to avoid lynch...

[populartajo]

ok, I CANT DEAL WITH THIS SHIT ANYMORE

First things first:

If only my ability hadn't failed on DGB N1.

HOW DID YOU KNOW YOUR ABILITY FAILED ON DGB N1 IF YOU ARE A DOCTOR?

I'm thinking this over. If we have enough unrecruitable people claim, and heord investigates each of them down the line to confirm, and we start speedlynching and vigging through the list of non-unrecruitable people, (with other power roles helping out town), does town auto-win?

No, because the unrecruitable people start dying

seems DAROX ISNT CONSIDERING BEING THE DOCTOR THAT COULD PROTECT UNRECRUITABLE PEOPLE

WANT TO KNOW WHY?

BECAUSE HE IS NOT A FUCKING DOCTOR, GOD

I'm a protective role.
I am a great big manly man

WTF IS THIS SHIT ROLE? GREAT BIG MANLY MAN?

If I see any danger, I leap out and give the aggressor a sound thumping, protecting my ward.

what is this danger that you called VIOLENCE in your next post? WHY IS THIS CLAIM SO VAGUE?
hint: ITS FAKE.

Reason to protect DGB N1 despite of Tanarin suspecting her:

But he goes for DGB because she looks like she's got a whole family of aces embezzled in her sleeve and Tanarin likes to live dangerously.

WTF IS THIS CRAP?

[populartajo]

I don't feel great about the Darox wagon - call it gut. I thought Tanarin was scummy, but as I read the game, I find it harder to believe that he was recruited.

Of the other wagons, I'd be willing to vote for Tajo.

YOU DIDNT ANSWER WHAT PARTS OF THE GAME THAT YOU REREAD MADE YOU THINK HE WAS NOT RECRUITED

PLZ DO SO.

[populartajo]

If only my ability hadn't failed on DGB N1.

HOW DID YOU KNOW YOUR ABILITY FAILED ON DGB N1 IF YOU ARE A DOCTOR?

FINALLY.

The tajo I know and love is back.

Darox is hammered, right?

LOLOLOLO IT WAS ALL IN THE FREAKING THREAD AND I KNEW IT THE MOMENT I CONFIRMED MY DAROX VOTE

FYI, ITS TOO LATE FOR BUDDYING UP TO ME, DEEGEEBEE

VIGZ PLEASE DO YOUR JOB

[populartajo]

So you somehow want me to think YOU ARE TOWN after all this?:

WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Darox's explanation actually makes sense.

WHY IS TAJO STILL ALIVE? He's so full of crap. He's not reading the game and he's sticking to an AGENDA that is not scum hunting.

I believe Darox's claim.

Can we kill tajo, please?

He's as cult as Katsuki was.

yeah right.

[populartajo]

I am in favor of a massclaim.

Vote: NS

[populartajo]

Im also in favor of herodotus claiming investigations.

[populartajo]

the sad thing is that I was betting the game on darox-dgb team and now that I reread through the playerlist basically everyone but cobbler and kinetic can be recruits...

[populartajo]

wait, ludi and yosa are still town, right?

[populartajo]

I don't know, you tell us. I mean, you guys

are

talking in your Qt, right?

lol your dgb impression sucks

besides me, who is scum, MR. NS?

[populartajo]

id really like an explanation with that vote

[populartajo]

err no

15 players left, up to 5 cult. If we lynch wrong and cult hit, we're at 14 players and 6 cult, which is LYLO. (not to mention the fact our vigs have been absolutely godawful this game, {if they're still aligned with town}.)

I'm almost in favor of a massclaim here.

this is the point where people still town should realize that playing the scummy game wont get you culted, it will make you lose the game

[populartajo]

Look at your posting style previous to DGB death and now.
A difference is noted.

but you were ALREADY voting me before DGB DIED

Unvote Vote: Bunnylover

[populartajo]

o_O Your point?
I thought you were scum yesterday.
Think your scum today.
So where are you going with this? You asked for why I voted you in that post. I told you why.
Now are you asking for why I think your scum all together? Because thats a different answer.

go ahead and tell me why I AM SCUM ALL TOGETHER.

@Batt: His posting style is basically shrugging off the fact that DGB flip town. Lets all forget how hard I (tajo) pushed DGB lynch. Lets all forget how I (tajo) tunneled and tunneled DGB. Only to have DGB flip town by an unknown force killing her.
Their isn't any remorse, thinking, or consquences present in his post about DGB flipping town.
You find that all okay?

i find that remorsing about town flips of people that were inherently scummy is useless as fuck and pretty scummy.

yep I tunneled against DGB, yep something else killed her, WHY SHOULD I POST ITT YEAH IM SORRY DGB WAS TOWN, I WAS WRONG ABOUT HER, GO AHEAD SCUMBAGS AND USE THIS TO MISLYNCH ME???

do you think all people that called DGB scum at some point of the game (including you) should also remorse about her flipping town?

[populartajo]

To me it sounded like you knew the night zero recruit doesn't get a town pm (of course I believe they do).

if someone got a vanilla PM night zero and then got recruited night 1, then whats preventing him from fakeclaiming a power role day 2 when he is about to be lynched?

Now after tunneling her for 3 days straight, she finally flips town, and your reaction to it is nothing.

should I have said sorry DGB? I dont know why you think thats scummy. Do you have a game where scum tunneled against a townie and didnt say sorry?

You basically "Knew" she was scum in your head and that she would flip scum.

compare to what dgb did to me since day 2. oh look she was town too!

Your style of posting changed as well, you've became clam.

when did I become calm?

[populartajo]

@Tajo: Nothing is preventing him. But why would they fakeclaim anyways? I just don't see the logic in fakeclaiming when you have a real role you can claim.

as I said, what about if you got a vanilla role, then get culted, and then you are about to get lynched? Dont you see the logic in fakeclaiming something that can avoid your lynch?

It was the lack of even recognizing Darox and DGB flipping town, one who you thought was fakeclaiming and the other who you tunneled.

Do you have a game where scum tunneled against a townie and then following day didnt say sorry?

I mean wasn't she back and forth with her read on you?

no, did you at least iso dgb before asking that?

[populartajo]

bunnylover, just to be sure, are you impying I was culted yesterday night?

also I agree with batto. Game shouldnt stall because we are waiting for the next claimant.

[populartajo]

bunnylover, just to be sure, are you impying I was culted yesterday night?

I'm not sure when you were culted.
But yesterday was when I believed you weren't town, so it is safe to imply I believed you were culted Night 3 or sooner.

so then why are you using

"Your style of posting changed as well, you've became clam."

as a case against me, implying I was recruited yesterday?

@Batt: I understand that. But lets say I'm a mafia Jack of all trades. Should I fake claim that I am a doctor or cop?
I just find that weird for a person to fake claim in this type of game where we know we have VT, power roles, etc.

this doesnt even make sense. Pay attention. Imagine you are recruited and you are about to be lynched and you got a vanilla PM. Claiming vanilla would save you? What about doctor?..... NOW DO YOU GET IT?

[populartajo]

i am a doctor

so yes YOU ALL NOW UNDERSTAND WHY I WAS PRETTY SURE DAROX WAS FAKECLAIMING DOCTOR.

protected dgb n1
protected hero all following nights
i was rbed yesterday

batto next

[populartajo]

Awesome, so we had two doctors on hero despite the fact I claimed he wasn't recruited.

dont know what this has to do anything

im not a cult doc, im a kill doc

[populartajo]

in the context of there being a possible mafia or in the context of recruited vig (as andrius n1 death implies) pretty sure that was the best thing I could do with my role

hey batto why did you target who you targetted?

[populartajo]

yep n2

Okay, every body stop mass-claiming now.
Bvoigt, tell me how the church is in relation with you.

maybe we should listen to this guy