Mass Effect Mafia (Draw)

[PeregrineV]

/confirm
Giving of random ability to person of my choice. The ability list is shown in my role.

[PeregrineV]

Catching up today. Will answer any questions to me and comment on stuff then also.

[PeregrineV]

@SpyreX- re: post 14- Yes. It's random.

@Hiraki- re: post 40- Sorry, don't really get the reference.

I understand Toog's reasoning for the vote, although some responses afterwards appear to be sub-optimal. To reinforce my Toog=town read, counterwagon vote

Vote: Silent Wraith

Would like to see/hear more from Sathoris, GhostWriter, Ender, Marco.

My strategy: Determine who is most hopefully town, and gift them at night. I'll listen to any and all suggestions, but remember, I won't confirm prior to gifting. Also, I'm not compulsive, so if I don't feel comfortable with anyone when the time comes, nobody's getting nothing.

Abilities stack with what you already got. You can't use them the same night you get them.

[PeregrineV]

Wow, that completely disappeared.

Unvote. Vote: Ender

He's at L-2.

[PeregrineV]

OK, heres the million pound question.

If you are so sure I am scum, present your case on me now! seriously, I am actually begging you, please oh please post your case on me right now!!

Nah, cause all your going to do is call it a lie and a misrep so there's really no point. Also, since you're scum, why should I do ANYTHING for you?

If he's scum, as your claiming, the case would be for the rest of us, not for him. And he's expected to refute it, but if you want to convince me at least, you need to say why.

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I have to also point out, it is very interesting how he notices me but not PenegrineV, if Jason turns out to be scum it would definitely be a possiblity as penegrineV as a scum partner, especially since PenegrineV hasn't posted much.

Yes, I posted yesterday, Thursday, and am now posting today, Friday.

I see the case on Nintendo, but it seems like scum would shut up and not draw more pain on themselves.

Not seeing Jason as scum, but will listen to why from Ender and Reck if they bother to give reasons.

Ender vote staying for now.

[PeregrineV]

Also taking thoughts on whose getting a random gift tonight. Otherwise I'll use my own forlorn logic.

[PeregrineV]

I gifted Toogeloo. With what, I don't know. For the same reasons as I thought he was town yesterday, his responses to the pressure, and no one else seemed to be a better target.

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Day2 ended too fast, but I got confirmation. My night1 gift went out, and it was 1-shot vig. So, floating out there somewhere is 1-shot vig.

If I was RB, then I think I'd keep it (I'll ask this and see what I answer I get), but since it went out, I'm thinking I was re-directed. Can re-directors make themselves one of the targets?

Toog obviously didn't share his night2 gift, so I'll hold off on that info too, unless it becomes important to know.

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lol..fastmod is fast.

Someone has my 1-shot vig, I'd retain it if RBed.

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Find out if someone can use a gift the same night they receive it. Could explain Spy's death on Night 1.

Asked in the beginning. If it's a night thing, they can use next night. If day thing, next day.

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@Hiraki- Who did you give Vig to?

[PeregrineV]

I GAVE VIG TO MOD.

BECAUSE I HAVE THAT.

ffs.

Nevermind.

Re-read is tech.

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Aren't you the gifter, pv? Huh?

Yes, but my gift night1 did not go to my person. I was not Roleblocked, because the gift went out. And since it's a vig, town should maintain control over it.

Only leaves 3 people who can do it- SpryeX, Nintendo, and Hiraki. Since two are dead, and Hiraki suspects me, it made sense he would target me. But then I re-read Sathoris RBed him.

So it doesn't matter.

[PeregrineV]

Who did you send it to?

Night1

I gifted Toogeloo. With what, I don't know. For the same reasons as I thought he was town yesterday, his responses to the pressure, and no one else seemed to be a better target.

Night2

Day2 ended too fast, but I got confirmation. My night1 gift went out, and it was 1-shot vig. So, floating out there somewhere is 1-shot vig.

If I was RB, then I think I'd keep it (I'll ask this and see what I answer I get), but since it went out, I'm thinking I was re-directed. Can re-directors make themselves one of the targets?

Toog obviously didn't share his night2 gift, so I'll hold off on that info too, unless it becomes important to know.

[PeregrineV]

Okay, so Amrun blocked PeregrineV.

^^
This, unless someone else can roleblock.

lol then why wouldn't I just not neighborize

This can all be confirmed if PeregrineV comes in and announces who he gifted. If they received the gift, I'm clearly lying about Amrun. If they didn't, then Amrun blocked PV, and there's no way I could know that without having neighborized her.

LOL. Nobody. I was roleblocked. Not sure if this is a serious question or you're being funny.

Good/bad news: Gift was going to Amrun last night, and it was never delivered. Still won't mention gifts left unless Toog wants to reveal.

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@Toog- I'll have to go back through, because I thought there was more players left.

And since I've never played a game where roles were known, shouldn't we all be claiming our targets so that everyone can verify or something? And popcorn to make it harder to fake stuff?

re: Jason- Highly active day1, was going to rename the game after him from that day, but seemingly vanished (compared to day1). Last time someone did that in a game they turned out to be scum.
@Jason- Why the radical shift in activity between game day1 and all other days?

Yeah ,a re-read with the flips will be good.

pedit-:Snikey! We post again after reading new posts.

[PeregrineV]

Would it be possible for someone to build a night action grid based off of claimed actions so far?

This goes back to should we all claim our actions, etc. up through today? I thought we had watchers and trackers and all that jazz, we should know more than we do.

pedit:will read them specifically first....

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You're right, I thought there were more people (probably because it's in Theme Park thread).

pedit: gonna check out spreadsheet.

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@Toog- so no watching last night for you because of the 2-shot thing, right?



Would like to hear from Hiraki why no night2 action, and what was night 3 action. Would like this before Nero claim of night actions.

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ender241 is Joker, 2-shot Watcher!
- Lynched Day 1.

Toog is backup, gets powers of first death.

Ender mentioned he could watch 2 people at once, but I also assumed 2-shot meant 2 total "watches".

[PeregrineV]

Sorry guys, was out of town. We came back early, but I didn't get to send my gift last night. I had planned to do it Friday before leaving, but we fell behind schedule so I figured to do it when we got back, but found prod in my PMs.

Skimmed to sort of catchup, but need to read again.

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I'm going home now, but will do this game first tonight or tomorrow.

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@Reck- Rhinox has a good point. If you think Jason is scum, why are you voting Toog?

And I would really like to hear what Jason has to say since Rhinox is confirmed to me. Toog and Reck are town reads through play, but Jason is no where near those levels.

p-edit: Reck, why would you do that?

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I didn't think we were in a hurry, but if nobody wants to wait then my vote would go on Jason.

Vote: Jason

I'd like to look for facts to back this up, but my short reason would be the huge dropoff in activity from day1 to the rest of the game. I brought this up before but got no response.

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I will wait to see if PV has anything to say.

No, nothing additional. More of it is on you since you can stop the lynch. I was under the impression you were going to govern Toog, and that fits with my own read on him. Now you say your not, that it was only implied. Toog is my last choice for today.

You can hammer, but please answer this first to help me understand why:

Rhinox, do you honestly believe I am scum, or do you just think I am a better lynch than Jason?

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It was a team of 3 + SK (Hiraki).

The three kills n1 should have been us, SK and Jason.

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Disappointing end, but I think PV (and his team) could probably count this as a win. Had jason actually been governed, reck or toog would have been lynched, and then the likely scenario is either jason or the other of reck and toog getting lynched tomorrow, with jason using his vengeful on the reck/toog survivor if lynched in lylo.

I don't see how PV is scum. 2 scum teams of 2 + hiraki SK? Were they 2 indoctrinated groups? Because if not the flavor after hiraki's death might be kinda bastardly.

I enjoyed the game, twas fun, great flavor, great setup, would play again (mass effect 2 mafia pre-/in yes?)

I was definitely hoping that was how it would go down. You were my next target because I couldn't chance the governor coming out near the end. But since you were using it on Jason, I would have to rethink some things.

pedit- that was Hiraki.

[PeregrineV]

Seeing peregrinev cleared from muy awesome role block was torture.s

P-edit: Hiraki did it.

But it's true. Here's my action for the night you RBed me. Which would have never been revelaed had Reck not QTed with you and then revelealed it in-thread who your target was.

Gift:Amrun

Toog's got enough love. Well, not a ton, but thinking vig may have went down with the ship of Nintendo/SpryeX

No NK tonight.

[PeregrineV]

I like the fact that GW protected his killer night1.

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Disappointing end, but I think PV (and his team) could probably count this as a win. Had jason actually been governed, reck or toog would have been lynched, and then the likely scenario is either jason or the other of reck and toog getting lynched tomorrow, with jason using his vengeful on the reck/toog survivor if lynched in lylo.

I don't see how PV is scum. 2 scum teams of 2 + hiraki SK? Were they 2 indoctrinated groups? Because if not the flavor after hiraki's death might be kinda bastardly.

I enjoyed the game, twas fun, great flavor, great setup, would play again (mass effect 2 mafia pre-/in yes?)

I was definitely hoping that was how it would go down. You were my next target because I couldn't chance the governor coming out near the end. But since you were using it on Jason, I would have to rethink some things.

pedit- that was Hiraki.

Well here's the issue - had you left me alive, governor shot left or no, that would have been a mistake because scum aren't going to leave 2 "confirmed" town alive in lylo. Its suicide. You can't even wifom it, because you can't argue a "confirmed" town is scum. So I would have at least realized you weren't confirmed at that point.

Yeah, I was pretty sure I was killing you next, as you were the only one confirmed to me. I cried inside when you implied you would govern Toog, since I really wanted him out of the way. But then you said you wouldn't, so I was Ok with that, but didn't want to hammer him. Figured be safer with Jason gone and me, Reck, toog battling it out, figuring they would quickvote each other real fast and I would hammer for the win. Because I also felt if I waited too long with those two they would say "screw it" and lynch me anyway.

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If it came down to Reck, PV, and I in the final 3, I hesitate to think PV would have instantly won. I was starting to put it together, and Reck was starting to get the suspicion as well. We very well could have taken a leap of faith on a hunch.

Still, I voted draw because at any point a mod error causes the game to play out in an unintended manner, the game is automatically tainted.

Yes, I worried about this. My plan was to be on when day broke, and if one of you voted the other in a pique from the day before, I was going to hammer faster than any rational unvote.