Verbose Mafia 2 - Post or Perish (Game Over)

[Thok]

Ah, I see people have started to arrive; does this make me fashionably late? I'm tempted to order a Scotch, but I think I'll pass for the moment and just try some of the appetizers. The cocktail shrimp look delectable and I always enjoy a nice platter of mixed nuts. But where is the caviar? Even at its current prices, one must have caviar at this sort of affair.

[Thok]

Fritzler, I must say that your enthusiasm has touched me; I must remember to invite you the next time I go chasing deer in the States, as I'd imagine you'd enjoy the thrill of the hunt.

Looking in the corner, I notice the one called "Dripping Goofball". While I have not had the pleasure (or terror?) of dealing with her before, I have dealt with several of her associates, and her reputation proceeds her.

One of the participants mentioned something about practicing French. Alas, in my business I have little use for that language. Perhaps if she had mentioned Chinese or Hebrew instead.

Strangely the influential mathcam has not yet arrived. In anticipation of his arrival, I grab a couple pieces of bread and some of the nearby spread. I chuckle in anticipation of his arrival.

[Thok]

Kelly Chen's suggestion bothered me; how could she interpret my thoughts like that, for I do not believe in telepathy. Perhaps I have been muttering these ideas to myself, but that would require her to have the hearing of a bloodhound or possibly a bat. Fortunately, the fates conspired to keep me from considering these issues immediately.

Alas, dear madam, I do not have the appropriate quills and paper for such an endeavour. Perhaps you should request such items from our gracious host?

At that moment, mathcam appeared at my side, with his offer of Scotch, sparing me (for the moment) from further conversation with this woman.

Ah, good sir, I see you have arrived! I will take up your offer of a Scotch, but first I must request your advice on a matter. This soiree has a delightful array of items, including a selection of fancy breads with a chickpea spread. I cannot decide whether this spread adds anything to the base. I have procured two pieces of bread, one with the spread and one without. I requst that you try both pieces and the consider the following question: does pea equal no pea?

I chuckled at my own pun; it was silly, and only a select few of the guests would comprehend the joke, but it made me happy.

[Thok]

Our current predicament strikes me as similar (although not identical) to that of a certain American television show called "Lost". I may be wrong, for I have not seen said show, and only know of it by its reputation. If I am correct, perhaps we could go hunting for a polar bear as on that show; would you be interested Fritzler?

I feel that Kelly Chan's attempt to coddle up to me is suspicious. Why would a religious person such as her request to see my naked back? Her mental abilities also worry me.

Possibly we should consider having a large quantity of people with 2 nominations, so as to give us the potnetial for multiple candidates for lynching. However, such a quantity of candidates may prevent us from being able to make decision.

Finally, I am worried about our current lack of rations. While I do not require constant supplies of roast hare and fine brie, I also prefer to avoid starvation. I hope we do not have to resort to consuming the corpse of Rasputin.

Nominate Kelly Chen

[Thok]

I realize (on my own accord without outside influences), that some of my previous comments may be considered spam; I will try to bear down and avoid overwhelming the thread with such trivialities.

I have reconsidered the thoughts and statements made by our fellow participants. During this recollection, I observed several points of note. First, as many have mentioned, our religious Kelly Chen consistently talks of fire and burning; perhaps her religious fervor is a mere front for more diabolical intentions?

Secondly, on the plane, Mr. (Mrs.?) Goofball mentioned in her musings that she was part of an enlightened minority, and that those outside the minority would fear the fire and brimstone that now seems associated to Kelly Chen. I wonder if this is a silly slip of the tongue, or a signal of more dastardly intentions.

Nominate: DrippingGoofball

[Thok]

I have also noticed the disappearance of Mr. Seol. However given the stipulations implied by our hosts, there is no real reason to go ape over his disappearance; if there is a potential problem then he will either perish on his own during the night or he will be automatically nominated by the hosts to be a potential lynch. While I would appreciate seeing some of his posts, as I wonder what tasty breadcrumbs he would leave us to analyze, I am willing to tolerate his silence for the moment. Moreover, I have reason to believe that he is distracted by certain real life issues (although such issues are surely outide the scope of our discussion). Perhaps Mr. (Mrs.?) Adele could confirm these "real life" issues, as they seem to have a connection that is stronger than water.

[Thok]

Could somebody remind me of the reason for nominating Mr. Mikeburnfire? At the current moment he does not strike me as suspicious, and I approve of his feelings of disgust towards Ned Flanders. Moreover, my current set of nominations consist of two of his attackers; for the moment these are my best guesses for the murderous fiends among us and I see no reason to adjust my choices.

Adele's maneuver amuses me; if she desires to to make a token statement of resistance to the current nominees, I will not criticize her or request that she clam up.

Ah Pooky! You've provided us with needed substenance! While coco is not my favored type of nuts, I do enjoy bananas. But at some point will we not require some sort of meat?

[Thok]

VitaminR, I think that you misunderstand (or perhaps misrepresent) the requirements to be available for lynching; while one does need two nominations to be eligible for a lynch, only the three most nominated will be in danger of loosing their head. All others will be able to safely enjoy bananas and coconuts without fear of reprisal (at least for the next couple days). I suggest you reconsider the guidelines set forth by our gracious hosts.

I'm not sure if your mistake is a mere mental error, or if it is a subtle attempt to remove votes from the leading bandwagons. However, since I have no better use for my third nomination at the moment, I will use it to hound you.

Nominate VitaminR

[Thok]

I wonder why Kelly chooses to make a random vote; surely town can do better than a mere wild goose chase or coin flip today. We do have several days of nominations to analyze and interpret, and perhaps we can even gain info from those carefree days before the plane was cracked like an egg, leaving us at the mercy of our host and his vile shenanigans.

Therefore, my current vote will go to that professed lady of the flame, Kelly Chen, for as I have mentioned I find bizarre her choice to promote randomness. However, a pursuasive argument might convince me of the potential folly of my choice, or of the utility of a different vote. In particular, I also find my Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball's tale of confusion unconvincing; did she not consider contemplating again the guidelines set forth by our hosts?

I realize that I have merely suggested voting those who I have nominated; but why should I abandon my suspicions simply because a new day has dawn?

Vote: Kelly Chen

[Thok]

Mr. (Mrs.?) DrippingGoofball, your list of orators, while interesting, does not include the mad monk Rasputin and that enigmatic John Doe; moreover I suspect others from this party of not being on that specific list. There is also the issue that any such list from Wikipedia has no permanance, by the nature of that beast. However, I will bear it in mind, as it seems that Wikipedia does have some slight connection to our plight.

Kelly Chen, I have been ignoring your question as fluff. If people desire that I answer it, I will, but otherwise I see no benefit for doing so and I will continue to clam up about the subject. Perhaps we should both agree to truce?

[Thok]

Kelly Chen, I agree to your terms. I'll admit that I freaked out at your request to practice calligraphy on my back; perhaps I was seeing certain intentions where there were none. For now there is no reason for me to continue to hound you.

I shall move my vote to Mr. (Mrs?) DrippingGoofball, as she was already high on my suspicions list.

I will comment that Fritzler's spam seems truthful but irrelevant; the CD he mentioned exists, but he must have spirited it to the island by some sort of magic.

Unvote: Kelly Chen, Vote: Dripping Goofball

[Thok]

I am not convinced that Turbovolver's behavior has been scummy rather than merely silly; however at this point you seem to be advocating yourself as a safe lynch, and I would appreciate the information of knowing your identity. By current count, even with my assistance, you still need one more person to agree before your goose is cooked; moreover, even after reaching 11 votes town may choose to unvote you if they disapprove of your impending death.

I still admit dismay about Mr. (Mrs?) DrippingGoofball, even in unvoting her. If Turbovolver does turn out to be scum, I am distrustful of our claimed orator, but I feel the the self proclaimed Ingersoll could still be evil even if Malcolm X is not, mainly because I find Ingersoll to be an obscure character. This may merely reflect a flaw in my assesment of American history, however.

Mr. Turbovolver, I feel your efforts have been interesting, even if not necessarily beneficial, and if you are a good man I hope that your deity is willing to supply you with virgins or raisins (whichever reading of the Koran you take to be true).

unvote DrippingGoofball, vote Turbovolver

[Thok]

I am worried at the lack of potential candidates for nomination; have we decided that today will be solely a referendum on Mr. (Mrs?) DrippingGoofball? I am concerned about her behavior, but some of my worries (for example about the obscurity of her character and the connection to our now departed preacher) have been incidentally touched upon by the passing of Kelly Chen and the determinaiton of her role. I'm also not sure what to make of Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball's opening remarks; it seems as if she has been compelled to incriminate herself, but I do not see why one would force her to make such an effort; I feel as if town was already inclined to slaughter her like a lamb.

Perhaps my fear is that those who desire to kill us may now be given a chance to hide in the darkness like spiders or rats, waiting to snare any innocent creature that stumbles into the dark.

At the moment I choose not to nominate anybody; however I will probably use this power soon.

[Thok]

The play's the thing, wherein we'll catch the conscience of the Amazing?

In any case, I shall ape my fellow comrades and recite the requsted lines.

"I am gone forever." Exit, pursued by Commodore Amazing.
"Commodore Amazing prevents a bad marriage."
"More Commodore Amazing, with less art."

Mr. (Mrs?) Dripping Goofball, to certain specialists Ingersoll may be well known, but to the general public he is an obscurity. Ask the random person on the street about him, and his/her response will be "Who?" Moreover, I mentioned that John Edwards could be viewed in a similar manner, and thus obscurity to the general public should be an irrelevant factor in judging claims. I am now perplexed why you desire to complain about an argue that I myself have discarded like an old loaf of moldy bread.

I am not happy with mathcam's behavior at the moment; partially I am concerned by his blantant self-interest (at the expense of any others) and partially towards his attitude towards the seemingly innocuous VitaminR. I suspect (for the moment) that VitaminR's negligence is a matter of stupidity, not scumminess.

nominate mathcam

[Thok]

As it stands, I am happy with the current collection of nominees; six seems a reasonable number of people to consider at the moment. (I still suspect that for the most part today's concern will be with Mr. (Mrs?) Dripping Goofball.) I will add a nomination fo VitaminR in order that some snake can't come in the last minute and remove him from today's nominees. I am still happy with my mathcam nomination as well.

This island has me longing for home; what I wouldn't give for a nice flaky croissant with a touch of raspberry jam for flavor.

Nominate VitaminR

[Thok]

I will admit to also being as tired as a dog; I could use some coffee as a pick me up. Hopefully my fellow members of the island won't be mad at me if I merely make some comments to demonstrate my continuing existance.

Do we have any consensus for our lynch today? I am for the moment against a VitaminR lynch (in fact it sems most of us hold this opinion), somewhat lukewarm to a Mr. (Mrs?) Dripping Goofball lynch (her actions are thus far consistent with her reputation, although this does not prevent her from being scum), and have not yet decided which of the other four candidates best merits my vote. However, these decisions are better made with a clear head.

[Thok]

Curious. I believe that you have the power that you suggest; Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball has all but implied that somebody has that power in her opening comments of the day. (Unless you deny responsibility for that occurance, but then I am confused by your exact suggestion.) The question becomes whether that power is to be used for good or for evil. Bear in mind that I must take into account your method of using that power, and it seemed as if you were trying to milk it to press against Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball.

While I agree that Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball has been erratic in her words and actions, it is clear that she is always erratic in her words and actions. Pending further clarification, I will support the current bandwagon.

Vote Adele

[Thok]

It is conceivable to me that Adele has the powers she has claimed, but not the role; I will note that she ignored Kelly Chen's interest in the French language during the party. Of course, this could just be Adele tightly guarding her role like an oyster guards its pearl. I'd appreciate further commentary from her on this subject, before the clock strikes, the cuckoo chimes, and our tormentor seals Adele doom.

A further observation; Adele has not mentioned how she used her power (if at all) day 1. I am surprised by the choice to omit this information, give her situation.

[Thok]

My fellow colleagues I have a story to tell. Listen dear and you will benefit.

As I sat down during the break, I decided to contemplate various people's manner of speaking, in hopes of finding a clue to their identity. As I recalled the comments of Cogito Ergo Sum, I noticed a pattern.

Each day the first word he spoke in his first comment began with an S.

Now this may seem silly. Lots of words start with S, like sheperd or song or simulation.

When I considered his second comment of the day, I observed that his original word was headed by an A.

SA-well that is not so dangerous; You could have a sailor, or a sandwich maker, or a sane cop.

Continuing to the third post of each day, I noticed a T at the start of each word.

SAT-well, perhaps CES took a test or needed a place to sit.

But, then I consider the fourth and fifth posts of each day. And each day they started A, and then N.

SATAN. The lord of flies, the prince of lies, he who rules the land of brmstone and fire. His presence cannot be good for town; we already know that Kelly Chen was lost to hellfire. One time might be a coincidence; but there are three of these, and thus we have a fact.

I will make one nomination today, and I will make one vote, and I would advise others to follow my lead.

Nominate: Cogito Ergo Sum

[Thok]

It appears that Seol has gone on a logical rampage to defend himself. Since his comments also apply to my assessment of Adele, I will not repeat what he said; rather I will merely complement it by observing that if Adele really wanted to use her powers in a neutral way, she could have commanded Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball (or somebody, anybody else) to make a nonsequitor, such as "Monkeys enjoy bananas" or "I am the Oregano Blizzard". Fiasco makes an observation that scum could have used the power more creatively; I would argue that such an argument applies equal well to somebody who is protown, and therefore is meaningless.

Commodore Amazing, I will try to uphold your request. I believe that I've naturally avoided using blasphemous or potty language the entire game.

[Thok]

Commodore Amazing, while I will admit that it is no longer clear that CES is the lord of flies, proffering forbidden apples, I also believe that it is silly to take his claim at full face value; he has merely said the word mason, that is all. I will admit that it is to his benefit that others have not claimed this role in response. I think I would be more convinced of his innocence if he had mentioned his name rather than his power, for we have now clearly seen that decent men (even if flawed) tend not to be scum; if he is truly a benevolent satanist his name would be enough to justify his restriction. Note that even with his role, people still have questions about the masonry. Therefore, I am not sure why (or even if) CES felt that public knowledge of his role would be more usful than public knowledge of his role; alternatively, I am not sure why (or if) he felt that public knowledge of his name would be more damaging than public knowledge of his role (either to himself or to his faction of players). If CES could give a vague answer to this question, I would appreciate it. (Do not divulge your name, if possible).

I will admit that LML's immediate response to my analysis has worried me; it did seem too close to my thoughts and too certain to be real. Perhaps he is trying to link himself to me, in order to hide in my coattails? On the other hand, I must remember that LML does have a reputation for being overly certain of his facts, whether innocent or guilty. I will add a nomination for him to express my nervousness and to keep pressure on him.

Finally, PetroleumJelly, I find it curious that you insist on focusing on a lynch that Turvolver himself approved of. Notice that Mathcam and Adele, who we know are protown, also jumped on the self-professed Malcolm X at the end of the day. Would you prefer that we had not lynched anybody day 1, and spent yesterday repeating the same arguments about whether Turbovolver was scum or not?

Nominate: LoudMouthLee

[Thok]

I will say that I have found this to be a strange day; my suspicions are not what I would have expected when I first posted today.

LML, I am not touched by your request to avoid nominations. At the moment such a gesture would be merely symbolic; moreover, bear in mind that to be nominated is not necessarily to be lynched.

Commodore Amazing's posts are certainly cryptic. Do you like green eggs and ham? Do you like them Amazing Man?

[Thok]

Tamuz, you do realize that a nomination for Seol is silly, correct? He (along with petroleumjelly) will be candidates for lynching no matter what.

Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball, when people refer to "the list" they seem to mean only the people that CA assessed to be a good hanging. We are apparently ignoring the issues of wild bears and Caesar salads; the theory is that they are tangential matters at the moment. I'm not sure that this is a wise action.

I have noticed that I'm on each of the Amazing one's lists, as are the silent speaker and Cogito Ergo Sum. I don't know if this matters at all.

[Thok]

It seems that we have already decided to look more closely at three candidates today: A magical Bear, a Loud Mouth, and Seol. Of these three I have nominated one, and I feel (because of his seeming inconsistancies and because I worry that he is attempting to mimic my actions) that he would be a good candidate for a lynch, despite the assurances of Mr. Amazing. Moreover, such a lynch might help us to test our claimed Shakespeare. (Or is it Shakespear? Some people have peculiar ways of spelling certain words. Like is it yogurt or yoghurt?) At the least I would want to hear more of a justification for his actions.

I do not find anything particularly suspicious about Seol; I found his logical rampage quite reasonable.

I realize that I have not yet touched on Pooky; I need to look over his posts more carefully.

vote LoudMouthLee

[Thok]

CES, I have decoded your earlier message. It is either "Driping Goofball" or "Thok is a smart ape".

Do you see the problem with letting LML test himself this way? He just needs to make up some decryption and argue that he decrypted it correctly. There's also the danger that he is scum, he does decrypt it (which is not impossible in three days) then tries to milk his "confirmed" ability for the rest of the game.

The only useful test to analyze the truthfulness of LML's role is if we lynched CES, and had CES reveal to LML his mason buddies after death. This (obviously) could not be faked. But this requires CES to truthfully be a mason when we lynch him; I'm not fond of this idea.

[Thok]

I am happy with my vote. I can't believe that some of are so mad as to not vote LML; I see no reason to vote the Bear or Seol at this moment. We need three votes in the next three hours or there will be no lynch. The alternative involves placing 6 or more votes on another person; even if this was desirable (and it is not) it would require a large amount of difficulty. I will admit this last sentence is fluffy, like a marshmallow.

[Thok]

I will point out that I am in fact on the "not a good hanging list" Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball; I am in fact on each of Mr. Amazing's lists. I was also one of those voting for LML early on and one of those arguing against the confirmation plan suggested by Cogito Ergo Sum.

In addition, please note that Mr. Amazing has only claimed he knows the number of Caesars within that group; bear in my that it is possible that there are no Caesars in that group, but a large number of Caesars outside that group. In addition, we could have an unusual role; while I doubt Caesar Cardini, inventor of the Caesar salad, is in this game (since he does not seem verbose) it's not impossible.

As an aside, do you know why you are already on the lynching block Mr. (Mrs?) Goofball? I thought that we had already touched upon your restriction yesterday, and it seemed as if you satisfied it with each of your statements yesterday.

I will nominate those off of the list good hanging list, although I worry that we already have a glut of candidates to concern us.

Nominate Fiasco, VitaminR, PookytheMagicalBear

[Thok]

I am surprised that nobody (other than myself) has touched on the fact that large quantities of people are already on the lynching block; surely this means something? Should I just attribute this fact to sloth and laziness? I would hope the carrot of interesting conversation would be sufficient to get people to converse on a regular basis. Unfortunately, it seems that some people need to be thrashed by a stick.

Yes, I will admit that my speech seems a bit flowery, even to myself.

I see no reason to change my nominations at this period of time. Perhaps we can begin to discuss where our votes will be placed?

[Thok]

I will admit that Pooky's information is true; I do not need to mention a creature at all. I will admit that my true restriction will give some hints to my identity (and hence, my desire to protect myself), but I do not plan to reveal it at this time, although I (obviously) am forced to leave some breadcrumbs.

It may be silly of me, but I do not want to leave hints to my identity to any possible scum group. Instead, I wish for them to puzzle it out themselves. If I reveal my restriction, I will in addition merely reveal my identity.

However, in a show of good faith, I will unnominate Pooky.

Unnominate Pooky

[Thok]

One who is wise in the way of spam, I did not lie to anybody and you are silly to suggest so. By analogy, you would be calling me a liar if I said that I might have a power role and then turned out to be a vanilla townie. I have only given the indication of a certain type of restriction; if you chose to accept it blindly then it's your own fault.

Pooky, it has occured to me that it seems strange that you know what my restriction is not, but you don't know what my restriction is. This bothers me especially since it is easy to determine that I was faking some restriction. Anybody reading my posts carefully would have noticed that I have consistently included three things; namely an animal, a type of foodstuff and a semicolon. Clearly not all of these things can be my post restriction, and indeed I have not said (and will not say) whether one of those is my post restriction or if it is something else completely. But that means that it was easy to deduce that I was faking some sort of restriction.

I also find it interesting that Pooky has not chosen to nominate me. But that could just be a cinsequence of the fact that he has not nominated anybody.

[Thok]

VitaminR, I have already touched upon the reason for pretending that I have a restriction that I did not. If you want to know why I wanted to disguise my identity, well that would be telling. Perhaps I should reveal everything, as I suspect that the criminal element is starting to suspect my identity. But I will not do so unless others desire. If you have another question for me, I will try to answer it with the best of my abilities.

But I find it curious that you continue to push this issue while others do not. You will be receiving my vote for this reason.

Finally, I will not that this post does not contain an animal, a food, or a certain type of punctuation mark. It does however satisfy my restriction. As an aside, I feel a bit grateful that my burden has been somewhat eased, as four restrictions are more difficult than one.

Vote VitaminR

[Thok]

I am going to remove my vote from VitaminR, since I believe his claim.

Perry Mason hasn't cracked the case yet? I believed that Seol was pro-town yesterday and I haven't seen a reason to change that opinion. He will not be getting my vote for now.

Mr. Silent Speaker, you ask a valid question. But remember there are two separate issues here.

1. Is a given post restriction a real restriction?
2. Does a real restriction reveal the identity of the character?

For question number one, I think it would be clear that even if somebody chose to fake a restriction, they would not pretend to be Satan if they had a choice. Given that I think that Satan is a real restriction (and there was no reason for me not to) I must then consider the second question. But for the second question I must consider the mind of our host, not my own attempts at disguise! How am I to know that while my own real restriction is apropos (as are those that I have seen of the dead), other people have misleading restrictions?

Unvote: VitaminR

[Thok]

Cogito Ergo Sum, you claim that bad things would happen if you claimed your name; would bad things happen if you claimed the novel of your origin? I had a flash of inspiration, and I believe I know that information, from which it would be easy for me to deduce your role names. Having read that novel, I can see why one of you would want to avoid revealling your names, but not the other; exactly one of the two characters (and the mason clearly would consist of a certain two characters) commits suicide at the end of the book. Although ironically I wouldn't consider either of you two to be a "satanist".

(As a silly piece of supporting evidence, I will observe that certain events at the beginning of that novel reflect certain events at the beginning of the game.)

[Thok]

I sort of hope that Fritzler gets a magical ghost body, the kind of which you see in a Star Wars movie.

According to Fritzler (who we have no reason to disbelieve) we will not be having a lynch today as no more votes will be counted. However, I do not believe that testing this hypothesis is silly.

I will point out that our night scenes have described the activities of a lumberjack, and now we have imagery of a tree being chopped down in its prime. I assume that this character is among us, and is some sort of proxy for death.

To quote one Dr. McNinja, "Have you been lumberjacking?"

vote Fiasco

[Thok]

Mikeburnfire, you are being silly. Fritzler is a ghost and thus more confirmed then you. Of course, he's also is now irrelevant to this game, except for any advice he can offer us. (As a side note, Fritzler, do you enjoy your magical ghost body?)

I will admit that I believed the masons to be the main characters from that book by Rushdie, namely Satanic Verses. (The plane crash was the common event I was refering too.) Moreover, Mikeburnfire's lung problems reflect certain passages in that book. I will admit that your claim is at least feasible.

Finlaly, I haev been gievn an additional retsriction today. I supsect, but I don't know, that others have been inlficted by this before.

[Thok]

I am considerng whether or not CA would be the best hangng today. So much of our reasonng depends on the list, and yet we don't know whether we can trust the person offerng the information. In addition, wasn't CA supposed to pursue somebody like a bear last night (or am I misrememberng what he offered yesterday?)

Am I beng idiotic? Am I worried about nothng?

(As an aside, am I havng too much fun with the additional requirement I was given today?)

[Thok]

I agree (as I have mentioned earlier today) taht testing teh list is a good play for today. I guess taht lynching Seol accomplishes taht as well as lynching CA. I will only nominate Seol, since I tihnk more choices might distract us. Altohugh we would have an interesting question of how to proceed if Seol turned up scum.

Also, if Seol is scum, it would make teh mental quandry town had several days ago (about whetehr to lynch LML, Pooky, or Seol) have a bizarre result.

Nominate Seol

[Thok]

I am currrently happpy with my nomination of Seol. I plan on giving him my vote sooon (posssibly even tomorrrow).

I am sadddened that TSSS must leave us to celebrate Pesach. Enjoy your unleavened bread.

Is it necesssary for me to recite Commmodore Amazing's line? I willl do so at town's request, but I am not convinced that it is useful; the request seems silly to me.

[Thok]

I sometimes find this game quite screwy. We spend trhee days deciding that Seol is a good candidate for a lynch, (as he will help us assess CA's list) and then we promptly vote for two other people.

Maybe I'm being foolish, but I'd like us to be a bit consistent.

(I do recognize that one quite verbose person once commented on a foolish consistency being the hobgoblish of a little mind, but I disdain that opinion.)

(I also realize that by that logic I should have died yesterday after being the leading nominee at the end of nominations. In my mind, that just means that people were wrong to nominate me yesterday.)

(This parenthetical comment is just so I have a third parenthetical comment.)

[Thok]

Silly me, I forgot to place my vote before posting. This post is mainly to rectify this situation.

(I will add that I feel like we can trust the masons for at least one more day. I will also observe that if Seol truly was suspicious of the masons, he could have chosen to investigate them. Finally, I might be willing to switch to Commodore Amazing if necessary, since the logic for lynching him is roughly the same as the logic for lynching Seol.)

Vote: Seol

[Thok]

I'm just checkng for the moment. Perhaps I should include more content in this post, but I'm not sure what anybody else wants to hear from me (or others). I can recognize that some people may be erratic in giving their thoughts this time of year. But I would at least see people express whom they would like to vote for, or at least give a reason for choosing not to vote.

Vacant Marmots like Verbose Mafia.

[Thok]

PJ, Pooky was Darren Brown. Darren Brown, in addition to his SK powres, could likely use his mental abilities to read minds and determine information about the various guests. Perhaps he even had additional infomration about me that he chose not to disclose for some reason.

Or perhaps he just made a lucky guess. It could happen. Are you really accusing me of being in league with the serial kiler (who theoretically acts alone?)

[Thok]

I believ that our restrictions are quite different in natyre. I have no limit on the number of words or sentences in my post, while Fiasco claims to be limited to a certain number of words. I'm not sure why Fiasco doesn't just post more frequently to geet around the restriction. (In fact, I'm surprised nobody has brought up this suggestion, as it would help us from going beserk when trying to read Fiasco's posts.)

My additional restriction is very light. I must simply make a mistake each time I comment by writing a word incorrectly. I'm pretty sure I will only have to deal with this today.

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Do people want me to claim now (and to reveal my true post restriction)? Maybe I'm nuts, but I think that given current events I have no reason to avoid disclosure. On the other hand, I'm not sure that there is any benefit to me revealling my identity either. I guess that I am ambivalent to the idea, but I wanted to reveal that I feel I no longer need to hide.

I would appreciate it if Commodore Amazing told us if he had any new information for us. I would also appreciate if Fiasco revealled all the information that he could.

A different number of words in each sentence? I would consider that requirement much harsher than the one I had yesterday, Fiasco.

Spamwise, weren't you of the opinion that you were going to die soon? Was that just you worrying, or was there a deeper reason for that belief?

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Commodore Amazing, I guess it's not so much that I want to claim as I now have absolutely no objection to claiming. I feel that I have no obstacles in my path, and that my reasons for being worried about showing my true face have been removed. But I will admit that I get no strange benefit from revealing my identity, so I will postpone that if you (and others) so insist.

Call me mad, but I'm not certain the masons are our best target for today. With the list confirmed by another Perry Mason, I'm willing to follow it for a while. Could somebody (possibly the Amazing one?) recall that information for us all?

I have a question for Fritzler: Are you returning to us soon? I find it weird that you are dead, but yet you still must abide by the restrictions of our host. What will he do, kill you again? Send the Ghostbusters against you? Perform a Grecian exorcism? Bizarre.

Finally, I will point out that I no longer need to think with incorrect spelling. That was a requirement solely for yesterday.

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I know how you feel mikeburnfire. I feel like I should be worried about our claimed Shakespear (Shakespeare?) and his desire to have us say mysterious things like "Less Commodore Amazing, with more art" or "Et tu, Commodore Amazing". But then I also know that Seol, who we know to be Perry Mason, has proclaimed CA to be innocent.

Bah! These mental games befuddle me.

Hopefully the silent speaker will be returning to us shortly, as his Jewish holidays should be over.

Finally, I have been pondering about why Pooky know what he did knew about me and why he didn't know what he did. Over dinner I have came to an interesting conclusion. I have mentioned that I thought that Pooky seemed to have some coppish ability to determine restrictions in addition to his murderous abilities. But what if instead he need to determine our restrictions in order to kill us off? Certainly two of our kills (Kelly Chen and DGB) had obvious restriction at the time of their death and I appeared to have an obvious restriction as well. (To be fair, I am not sure what Mathcam's restriction would have been at the time of his suicide.)

I realize that the above comment may be irrelevant for finding an other evil among us, but I believe the above scenario best reflects Pooky's actions; had he known other information about me, I believe he would have either revealled it or tried to kill me at night.

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I realize that I have not nominated anybody today (and I apologize for my inattentiveness), but at the moment I am happy with our potential slate of candidates. Any nomination by me at this late hour would be counterproductive.

However, I am amused by the (futile) attempt to lynch our mysterious host. Apparently only mythical hosts like dragons and phoenixes can be dealt with in this way. I guess this means we have not yet cracked the case.

Mikeburnfire, you say you do not have a good read on me, so do you have particular actions that you which for me to explain?

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Tamuz, we know that there was no suicide kill night 3. We also know that on day 4 Pooky revealled that he knew that what seemed to be my restriction was in fact not my restriction. It does not seem to be much of a mental exercise to suggest that the two events are related.

In addition, Pooky claimed to have an extra piece of information. I would guess that he had figured out mathcam's restriction, in the process of killing him. This strikes me as the best interpretation of his attack on me.

I am not yet ready to place a vote, as I need to cotemplate current events.

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Bah, I place another post just to satisfy my restriction. We need to decide soon if we have a good candidate for a lynch and also what we should do with VitaminR. It would be idiotic if we simply forgot about him and left him to die without any discussion. (We may still let him die even after a brief discussion, but I doubt we should simply ignore Lord Sutch).

Werebear? The Silent Speaker? A mason?? I'm not yet ready to place a vote.

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Cogito mentioned oregano? That strikes me as something more appropriate to a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

(It may be silly of me to notice it, but Cogito understands why I specifically would find it interesting. It's irrelevant to current events, but the comment makes me smile.)

I feel like I should throw in my support of the masons, and I will put additional pressure on Tamuz.

Vote: Tamuz

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I'm trying to decide what I think of Tamuz's character. I will note (since nobody has touched upon it yet) that after the initial lynch (which I will refer to as the Conviction), one of our captors mentioned to Big Brother that the House had failed the task. This seems to (me at least) to be a reference to Chantelle Houghton, who needed to convince various Celebrities (on Celebrity Big Brother) that she was more popular than at least one of them, or face elimination.

On the other hand, I'm not sure if such a character is actually evil, as opposed to merely deceitful. I will nominate Werebear for defending Tamuz, and as a bit of an information gathering task.

I will say that I would prefer to let VitaminR live; if we decide he is scummy we can always lynch him.

I feel that I want to keep my options open, and therefore I will also use the following nominations (in addition to my Werebear nomination). Spamwise to have a bit of pressure on him, and Fiasco, since I am not certain about the pope theory.

Nominate Spamwise, Fiasco, Werebear

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I would be up for a mass claim, and I in fact expressed a wilingness to claim several days ago. I would in fact be willing to go first. Just tell me when to go and my secrets will be cracked open for you to analyze.

However, do you want a name claim, a role claim, a restriction claim, or merely some combination of the two? I feel that all three might be a good idea, but I could see the logic in not revealing restrictions.

CES, if there is something tricky going on involving the masons, it probably involves mikeburnfire as he is the one nun who is not mentioned in the book.

I am neutral on the subject of whether to give VitaminR a nomination or not, but I will say more about that when we claim.

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I am Sigmund Freud, the Psychologist. Each night I can analyze a player and help them with their mental problems. It seemed to me from my role description and from the events we have seen so far that I am a doctor who only protects against suicides, but alternatively I might prevent culting (if we have a cult) and I might be able to do something about VitaminR (depending on how his role works).

My restriction is obviously related to this; I must include a word refering to insanity in each of my posts (for example, I may use the word touched, referring to one who is "touched in the head"). There is a precise definition and list of words I must use, but I will leave the criterion ambivalent for the moment. You may assume (obviously) that I have never failed my restriction.

Note, that I believe that if Pooky knew my full restriction, he would have revealed it, and had he known my identity I would never have been given the chance to survive the night.

Some may wonder why I did not counterclaim Werebear yesterday. First, it was (and in fact still is) unclear to me whether or not we have conflicting roles, as he could heal physical injuries, while I could cure diseases of the head. Secondly, many had suggested that I should postpone any revelations until a later time.

My choices are as follows. The first two nights I analyzed Commodore Amazing, as he had implied he had an information role. Night 3 I felt that we had gathered as much info as possible from the list, so I followed a hunch and targetted our agnostic DGB, as she was starting to seem more protown to me, even on day 2. Night 4 I analyzed our claimed cop, Seol, as I desired to at least know the results of his investigation. The last two nights I have targetted the nuns, Night 5 Cogito Ergo Sum and Night 6 MikeBurnFire.

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I am currently happy with my collection of nominations. I see that MikeburnFire has saved VitaminR for another day, which I am OK with for now. I will probably say more when we start voting soon. This is mainly a chance to say hello. Perhaps I am being a bit silly with such a short post.

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I'm curious if the silent speaker's refusal to reveal his name is similar to Tamuz's refusal to comment on his post restriction. The reference to Big Brother mentioned that the house had failed twice. Perhaps this is a silly observation, but couldn't that mean there are two characters from Big Brother in our presence?

Unfortunately, I have not watched the show. Does anybody know if there is another person whose presence is similar to that of our former fake celebrity?

vote the silent speaker

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I am just checking in to say that I am here. Moreover, I am still happy with my vote.

As for Spamwise, my personal feeling is that the masonry is as good a place for him to investigate as any other choice. I almost feel like he should investigate randomly among the masons, but that's just me.

I will agree that there is something kooky going on.

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I am going to wait until Spamwise arrives before I start throwing out nominations. I agree that we learn very little if he declares a mason to be scum (as he would do so if either the masons or Spamwise is evil) and we would be silly to simply follow the cop. But we might learn something interesting if Spamwise gets an innocent result.

I find this endless debate on nominating VitaminR each day to be tiresome, so I will simply announce that I will nominate VitaminR in 24 hours unless town decides it is a bad idea. Although at this point the principle of elimination requires that either the masons are scum or some subset of Fiasco, Werebear, Spamwise and VitaminR are scum (as CA has already been investigated).

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Interesting. As has been touched on, the masons are likely innocent. The only alternatives are that Spamwise is either a one shot naive or insane cop (both of which seem unlikely to me) or that the masons and Spamwise form a four person nonkilling mafia group.

Um, yeah, I don't really believe that last option either. I guess a cult could still be an option, but even that is silly; a cult would probably have already won by now.

Lynching Spamwise tells us surprisingly little about the masons, since it does not reveal alignment (unless Spamwise is certain of his through the words of Mr. Grey) and we should only consider it if we think he is scum.

I will not foolishly nominate a character who is already on the lynching block. I am thinking about simply nominating everybody who I can who is not known by me to be innocent through some means; that would be Fiasco, Spamwise and VitaminR (CA and the masons have been cop-investigated, Werebear is already lynch bait, and I know of my own innocence).

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That is a weird statement Spamwise. I believe that the masons have claimed that each knows the innocence of the others. Or have I misunderstood their comments? That means that when you investigate one, then you investigate all. I do not believe that Mr Grey (mysterious as he seems) would lie about such an arrangement.

Given the current nomination standings, it seems it would be best for me simply to nominate Fiasco. It seems pointless to nominate Spamwise or VitaminR anymore, since they seem likely to be on the lynching block anyways, it is of course silly of me to nominate myself, and I feel as if we should at least consider having the ability to look at Fiasco today. That said, given his reckless pursuit of the masons and the similarity of his claimed role to mine, I would be happy with a Werebear lynch today.

Nominate Fiasco

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For those attacking me for my role, I will point out that (except for the Satanic masons and the investigated CA) my role is exactly as verified as any other role in the game at the moment.

If Werebear really is a doctor as he claims, why has he been so careless with his words? He has been automatically put on the lynching block multiple times. One would think that a person with his claimed role would desire to avoid making mistakes and would be up to the mental challenge of exhibiting proper dialogue as fits his character.

Given the voting and nominations of today, I would not be surprised if our remaining scum consisted of some subset (of either 2 or all 3 of) Fiasco, Werebear, and VitaminR. I would support a vote of any of these 3.

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Mikeburnfire, your concern about my restriction being too lenient is reasonable. Remember, that I said (when I claimed my restriction) that there was a precise interpretation of my restriction and a precise list of phrases of which I must include at least one. (There are about 43 phrases on this list, and I have used roughly ten of them). If you wish I can reveal the full details or simply the ten phrases I have used.

Others have touched upon the reason why Werebear is a worthy lynch today, and I wish to support them.

vote Werebear

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Spamwise, I'm trying to analyze your mental processes. Your comment that you are the best lynch is bizarre. If you are scum, then this merely some weird gambit by you. But in that case you are likely not scum with the masons, as that would involve four living scum, which along with LML seems too many. If you are town, then you are a cop and our reasons for lynching you would be to verify your information in case of something weird. But the situations in which your investigation of petroleumjelly would be false are if either he is a godfather or you are naive, and in neither case would lynching you do any good!

Also, when were you suspicious of me "early on"? Your first mention of me in a post of any substance was after our SK revealed that I was trying to hide my restriction behind a shield of another restriction (which I have every reason to do as a protective role). That was on Day 3.

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Welcome to the game Halfman! I am saddened that the Commodore could not continue to be with us.

As several have touched on, it is strange that Werebear did in fact have the title of The Doctor. I was expecting him to be scum.

I guess I shall be the first to cast nominations today, but perhaps that is because there is little choice in who I should nominate. There are eight of us left, of which four have been investigated (either directly or through proxy) and one of which is myself. That leaves three people and three nominations. Of course, we can test two of these choices, simply by not nominating VitaminR. So I guess I will have two nominations unless somebody wishes to argue that we should either not test VitaminR directly (in which case I still feel he should at least receive my nomination), or that we should test one of the masons or the new addition of Halfman. However, I do not see the wisdom in either of these last two propositions.

Nominate: Fiasco, Spamwise

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VitaminR, I will offer some advice for your predicament. At the moment, the numbers and the investigtions by themselves suggest simply lynching off all those who are neither a mason nor Halfman. If you wish to avoid this fate, I suggest you be verbose! Explain why you should live, and give long arguments about how you presence has been a boon to the town! Convince us that your every vote has been to our benefit and that we would be closer to winning if we would keep you alive.

In fact, I feel this may be a good policy for the next few days-each should go and analyze the actions of each player, in a nice long post, and say why your choice of vote reflects your suspicions. We have let the short days drive us ragged and have shrifted posting and arguing such analysis. Everybody go nuts!

I will note that I should include such an analysis of Spamwise, Fiasco, and VitaminR in this post (and possibly Halfman/CA and the masons and even myself) but I will simply start with the idea and add the implementation later today.

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I am here to answer questions. I feel bad for not having written down any long post analysis yet (especially after having suggested the idea).

Perhaps the easiest solution would be to assign each of the masons one of the nominees to analyze and go over?

Petroleumjelly, as I have touched on before, I am a very limited doc. I can apparently only prevent people from commiting suicide. I had thought this might help me save VitaminR tonight, but from my reading of his comments it seems like a physical doctor might be of more use to him, if he is telling the truth about his role.

Mikeburnfire, I wish to ask for a clarification of your request. Do you wish to know words that I have used that do not satisfy my restriction, or do you wish to know words that satisfy my restriction that I have not yet used? (I have essentially claimed the ability to provide both sorts of words if necessary).

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I had mentioned before that my list of necessary words has around forty phrases on it. I believe I have not used words such as psycho or bonkers before, both of which satisfy my restriction. The precise criterion is that I must use one of many synonyms of a certain word, as provided by a reasonably well known website. I can fill in the details if you desire to know the details. I am certain, however, that many restrictions (such as your required use of double g's) are less restrictive then my own.

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I still think that Fiasco is the most likeliest of the remainining players to be some sort of scum. Call me kooky, but his role seems overly complicated to me.

Spamwise, I am confused why you keep suggesting that you possibly are the best lynch candidate. If you are a townie, such talk is self destructive and not useful, as your death actually gives us little information. (Fiasco's death actually gives us more information in my mind, as his death either reveals that he is a lying scum, or if that there are actually popes in the game).

Given that we have not much more than a day to decide what shall happen, I will place a vote now to help clarify my intentions.

vote Fiasco

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Logic? I call that flapdoodle.

(Sorry, but given the purpose of this post, I couldn't resist that joke).

Has anybody noticed that I've been on every single lynch? I surprised that nobody brought that up. But that would have required analyzing my posts and detailing my crimes, a subject that I've already touched on today.

Well, there's nothing left to do but wait for the day to end. That's one advantage of having a hard deadline; when you something with 3 minutes remaining in the day, there's very little others can do in response.

So, there's one last thing to do, and that's simply to avoid any last minute shenanigans (by people other than myself, of course).

unvote Fiasco

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Ah, and I was hoping to fiddle while Mike's Fire Burns.

Congrats and thanks to all scum and other participants. Fiasco, your verbosity in this game is matched only by your verbosity in our discussions at night. LML, CA, if you read this, it was fun playing with you while you were here. Halfman, thanks for replacing in as we couldn't have finished off town without you.

Those last night scenes prove that Mith is an evil man. Keep it up, and thanks to Mith, MeMe, and Talitha for helping with modding.

Town was fairly close to winning on several occasions-lynching Fiasco day 4 or CA rather than Seol day 5 would have likely sealed a town win. (Similarly lynching me at any time would have revealed CA to have been lying about the Caesar's list). Incidentally, town would probably have drawn if it had lynched Fiasco yesterday and likely would have won if they had lynched me or Halfman yesterday.

The scum mishandled the SATAN thing day 3 (we shouldn't have had everybody attack CES for that) and we ended up having to sacrifice LML just to get some distance from him. (As a side comment, I was the only one of the scum who didn't pick up on that restriction, which seems a tad ironic.)

We also had trouble recruiting CA, as he kept failing his posting restrictions and we didn't know that was why we were failing to recruit him.

Our claims were fun-it's always neat to outclaim a doctor and then not get lynched for doing so. I had a Sigmund Freud claim in the back of my mind on receiving my role (as it fit my restriction) and I was planning on revealing my role restrictions as fake later in the game-I just didn't expect to be forced to do so early.

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Why did you guys keep missing/forfeiting your kills?

We only had 4 one shots (one for each of us) and we were holding back our kills until they gave us a forced win/draw.

LML never used his kill because he got killed before he could use it. Fiasco used his kill on Pooky out of necessity. My kill and CA/halfman's kill were used on the last night. We would have considered killing two people night 8 (to reduce down to 6 people) and taken the likely draw if CA hadn't yet again failed his posting requirement. (To be fair, he was busy trying to get to Africa at the time). We thought about having just me kill that night, but decided against it to keep up the confusion.

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Didn't it say there were 4 one-shot abilities on top of the mafia kill?

Also big at LML for claiming I was speaking to him from the dead.

If you read the PM carefully, the mafia didn't have a nightly kill, just the one shots.

(We made this mistake when we read our PM's the first time also).