Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

[VitaminR]

Vote: Kise

Only one whose playstyle I don't know.

[VitaminR]

Good.

Fate, DGB, CES, and chamber/Ether are obv town. Mina probably too.

Unvote, Vote: TheButtonMen

[VitaminR]

Gut.

[VitaminR]

Gut.

Go read her in ISO, then go back and look at the vote counts.

What's your point? That she had you in some sort of scumlist, along with some other people, without voting you?

[VitaminR]

This whole catching dragging the mod into the game thing makes me uncomfortable. I mean I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth, but at the same time it feels kinda cheap.

This.

Fate, get off your high horse.

[VitaminR]

Well, Nikanor is town.

[VitaminR]

If I'm right, I get back on.

I'm not screwing around with this scumread. I'm NOT. I'm not going to side track, give up on it, change my mind, or accept any other lynch today.

Sens and I are in a voting block. I assume Minineko will join me whenever the hell he logs in. Tanstals seems fine with this plan as well.

And I refuse to let them move until Minski is dead.

That's not what I meant. Frankly, I don't care what lynch you will accept today. Just tone down the tantrums.

Though for what it's worth, I'm not going to be voting Mina over this. You're not a mason neighbour, your role PM doesn't say that there's scum in your neighbourhood, and you don't have Faraday's magical Mina-reading skills.

[VitaminR]

Vitamin, what do you think about Kise's points on Faraday?

Well, it was kinda obvious that he was a little buzzed at the time. And I actually thought the way he went about his Mina town read pretty genuine. Faraday doesn't really worry me.

[VitaminR]

TBM: They are clearly neighbours. I meant that Fate is not a mason with Sensfan or anything, so his whole story about mod-confirmed scum is nonsense to begin with.

[VitaminR]

Uh, I don't believe Faraday has any magical Mina-reading skills, just fyi.

Well, obviously, since he's not an actual wizard. I actually had the same read in this game anyway. Mina's reaction to Fate read as Mina-town.

[VitaminR]

VitaminR - Do you still think Fate is obv-town? Or has your read of him changed since you called him such?

Truth be told, I am almost posted a one-liner saying to scratch my Fate town read. On my initial read, I thought Fate had misunderstood his role PM (the thing about there being scum in his neighbourhood). And that made me think obv town. It's now become clear that Fate just lied about that, which makes it more of a null tell.

tans, what do you think of TBM?

[VitaminR]

@VitaminR - Leaning slightly townie. In fact the people trying to call him scum for the he said/she said thing about him knowing game was open and not posting makes me think they are scummy - but Ether can't be scum, right?

I agree that that was a strange discussion, though I do think Ether/chamber are town.

It's plausible he misunderstood it. The possibility is raised about the possibility of there being Scum without saying it's guaranteed/likely/unlikely/etc.

Initially plausible, yes, but certainly not any more.

Sens, how likely did you think it was, a priori, that there's scum in your neighbourhood?

[VitaminR]

Mina, setting aside Fate and Sens for a moment, who do you think is scum? (Hint: It's TBM.)

[VitaminR]

I haven't actually given reasons for my TBM vote. The gut comment was about DGB. But fair enough, I'll outline my reasons for thinking Buttons is scum:
- He was really weirdly passive towards the Fate gambit. Really off considering Fate and TBM's rapport. He's still avoiding coming to any sort of conclusion on the Fate-Mina. He has just sort of waffled about how Fate gambits.
- The conviction behind his DGB vote is strange. Granted, he's not wrong when he says DGB isn't making sense. But DGB never really makes that much sense. He's parking his vote in an unproductive and insincere way.

Just go read his first seven posts. It's just kinda obvious that he's scum?

[VitaminR]

So what does that mean? Do you think Mina is scum? Do you think Sens is town? What does that not give you more of an opinion?

[VitaminR]

I'm not voting Mina it's because A) Her wagon is already proceeding nicely and DGB is being allowed to active lurk and B) I'm not sure I agree with Fate as to what her actions mean re: aligment and as sort of mentioned here I haven't yet finished my readings of some revenant previous games yet as I got side-tracked by the whole Ether claiming the mod information that I lied.

So, if you had to pick now, it would be Mina-scum + Fate-town?

@VitaminR:

You asked me to expand on my DGB read which I did. You never followed up on it so I figured I'll just ask again, what makes you sure DGB is town?

As I said, your case seems fair enough. It's just that it's DGB? It's not that hard to build a case against her on any day.

My gut read comes from her reaction to the Mina wagon. She seemed sort of unsure how to handle it in a way that seems genuine.

[VitaminR]

ABR, opinions please.

[VitaminR]

CES, you're taking issue with Faraday's defence of me (I'm finding it hard to be objective on him, because on the one hand, I'm grateful that someone is defending me, but on the other hand, I still find his posts a bit off and lacking in passion--I don't buy his "I have no motivation for Mafia" excuse, and in the interests of full disclosure, he also had a rock-solid gut town read on me in the game in which I bused my buddy), but you haven't commented on any of my own posts. So why exactly are you voting for me if you don't believe Fate and Sens caught me in a lie?

Bandwagonning!

CES, you're voting Mina? Come on. I want a different vote from you.

[VitaminR]

BTW, me and VitaminR have a deal, if one of us is scum, we promise not to kill the other. Me and Vitamin are both 100% are on word. So if either of us ever get night-killed, the other is confirmed town.

RIGHT VITAMIN?

Of course! Why would I ever want to kill you?

<3

[VitaminR]

I'm not feeling the Faraday wagon at all.

Nope this is real scum lynching time.


FATE SHEEP

ASSEMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Unvote; Vote: Faraday

It's about time Fate, you were starting to worry me.

This is awful. You're going to be all thoughtful about the Mina wagon and then shamelessly sheep the Faraday wagon? You, sir, are scum.

Fate, are you now claiming that the Mina thing was a ploy for reactions and you never thought she was scum?

I like DGB's reaction to tans a lot. Consolidates my DGB-town read.

Unvote, vote: Faraday

CES, what are you doing? Why are you so loath to vote TBM? You're willing to join every shady wagon but not willing to wagon with your brother for righteous justice?

[VitaminR]

Mina is misrepresenting what happened in the QT btw.

She was scummy as fuck, I called her out on it, and then I ASKED Sens whether we should claim D1 and get them lynched or not or keep them around awhile (because if they NKd us they would become REAL suspect, so as long as they were alive we would be to) his RESPONSE was to say we should lynch them D1 and not keep them around.

Mina of course tries to paint this as "WOE AS ME SENS AND FATE ARE BULLYING ME AND CALLING ME CONFIRMED SCUM WHEN IM NOT"

But she is.

Lol

Mina is lying about the flavor.

Confirm Vote: Mina

Seriously, I'm in a 1v1 with her now LOL

I guess she didn't get the fake claim PM Patrick promised her!

Why the fuck is it so hard to lynch scum in all my games?

Is this some site-wide fucking conspiracy now?

Did the meta shift into a "LULZ LETS JUST DICK AROUND FOR WEEKS" instead of the powerhouse of lynching scum D1 that it was this past year?

Someone should've given me the fucking memo so I coulda retired with my championship.

Guys, I broke this game... PREGAME.

I don't think you understand what Fate neighbormason means.

It means no fucking RVS. No "teheheehe u confirmed or didn lol lurk lol u eager lol uprtunistic rvs wagon" BULLSHIT

Were playing the game now.

If you both continue distracting from Mina ill have no choice but to dayvig you both.

So this was all a gambit, Fate? This was all you fishing for reactions? You didn't believe Mina was scum at any point?

[VitaminR]

We need to hear more from Sensfan, ABR, Minineko, dram, and Mina/Katsuki. I want their updated scumreads.

[VitaminR]

ABR, come on, Minineko was V\LA for most of the game so far. That's a useless vote.

What do you think of TBM?

[VitaminR]

Yes, but I'm willing to bus TBM, so it's okay.

[VitaminR]

Well, that was insane. Can we lynch TBM now please?

[VitaminR]

TBM, why do you think I'm town?

CES, tell me who you think is scum.

[VitaminR]

What did you make of Faraday's self-hammer?

[VitaminR]

It's a mix of;

25% Gut.
25% Meta.
40% You making it clear what you think and being consistent to it, no opportunistic or fluff posting.
10% Chemical X.

Consistency is usually a scum tell for me, if anything. But fair enough, I guess.

So CES is town. In other news, this Nikanor wagon is terrible.

[VitaminR]

tans, you wound me.

[VitaminR]

Ouch, low blow.

[VitaminR]

Blackberry, with me!

CES, tell me why you like the Nikanor wagon more than the TBM wagon.

[VitaminR]

Vote: SensFan

He hopped on the Mina/Katsuki wagon and sat there until the wagon COMPLETELY died off and he was the last person left, then hopped to the next most convenient wagon, me/Faraday. He then did the same thing, sitting on our wagon until he was the last person left and everyone else had died off, then quickly speedwagoned Fate with everybody else. The whole "Irish Carbomb feels town" to "Irish Carbomb is scum with Fate" conversion just reeks.

Yeah, SensFan is scum. Join us.

What does Faraday think of this?

[VitaminR]

The Nikanor and Sens wagons feel way too obvious (what is the Nikanor wagon based on anyway?). The Fate wagon is funny, but he's probably town.

[VitaminR]

Vote: SensFan

He hopped on the Mina/Katsuki wagon and sat there until the wagon COMPLETELY died off and he was the last person left, then hopped to the next most convenient wagon, me/Faraday. He then did the same thing, sitting on our wagon until he was the last person left and everyone else had died off, then quickly speedwagoned Fate with everybody else. The whole "Irish Carbomb feels town" to "Irish Carbomb is scum with Fate" conversion just reeks.

Yeah, SensFan is scum. Join us.

What does Faraday think of this?

TBM wagon has no support for some reason, Sensfan is a good option now. Join it?

Umm, no? The way Sens came out pushing Mina on Fate's instructions doesn't read at all like Sensscum to me.

Blackberry, with me!

CES, tell me why you like the Nikanor wagon more than the TBM wagon.

I've forgotten!

Well, that's great.

For what it's worth, this how I currently feel about this game:
Town: Minineko, ABR, dram, DGB, Sensfan, Nikanor, CokeDeity
Probably town: Irish Carbomb, Fate, Kise, Mina/Katsuki
Scum: TBM, CES, tans

Willing to lynch any of those three.

[VitaminR]

I know. And I'm on yours, which is the saddest thing of all.

[VitaminR]

Haha, I wish, but I can't put someone on the scum list if I don't think they are scum.

[VitaminR]

Forgetting things it totally a town tell for me.

Really? Should find it comforting that you don't seem able to recall why you're voting Nikanor instead of TBM and that that doesn't seem to spur you to re-evaluate where your vote should be? Because that doesn't seem very town to me.

[VitaminR]

Haha, I wish, but I can't put someone on the scum list if I don't think they are scum.

K, you're scum.

Reck wins, I'm town. But thank you for playing!

[VitaminR]

Reck claims he can read Dram. Dram lurks, Reck says he can't get a read because Dram isn't posting.

If Dram was town, you would think he would post more so Reck could confirm him as town.

Unvote:
Vote: Dramonic

This is pretty terrible. See why I think you could be scum?

[VitaminR]

My experience with sens is limited, but from what I saw at goofbash I can say 2 things, he's always very sure of himself, and he sometimes does things I view as being completely irrational. With that in mind all the things you've mentioned just seem like him being himself. Not meta town, meta null.

This.

[VitaminR]

^worst post I've ever read.

Down for CES lynch as well now

Nope, wrong. Actually a pretty good post. I feel better about CES now.

[VitaminR]

Ha!

[VitaminR]

I disagree with the 4 people directly above me being directly above me and the 6th person above me being above me. Also the people below be shouldn't be below me. They should also be above the 4 directly above me and the 6th above me.

Otherwise, decent list.

tans, what do you have against me in this game? You've been like pretty confrontational for no apparent reason. For the record, I didn't like your dram vote because it was basically "here's a possible scummy reason why dram is lurking." I mean, yeah, if you could show that dram was intentionally lurking, you'd have a good point. But, if anything, dram has posted more after Reck entered the game. In any case, I put you in my scumlist mainly because I don't have a town read on you and other people have dropped town tells.

[VitaminR]

For the record, I'm not voting Nikanor today.

[VitaminR]

Well, that was awful. I'd be genuinely surprised if Nikanor flips scum.

[VitaminR]

DGB, tell me what is WIFOM about:

1) We go to night
2) We come back to day
3) Nikanor claims who he motivated
4) Claimed target says whether or not they were doubleaction'd
5) Lynch accordingly

YEAH SOOOOOOOO MUCH WIFOM WHEW

This.

[VitaminR]

<3 Blackberry

Vote: DGB

, L-1.

[VitaminR]

I repeat: <3 Blackberry.

One of Kise and ABR is probably scum for their reaction to this. Kise figuring out that Blackberry was gambitting is eerily accurate and ABR is being too standoffish, considering that it's ABR.

[VitaminR]

I'm not voting Blackberry or IC. Don't think scumBerry would have pulled that gambit and his "I want everyone to respond to what I did" does not read at all like scum trying to pull off an insane cop gambit or something. IC reads as town for me for the self-hammer and the reaction to Nikanor.

NO. BB you need to explain now. I was gonna let you kinda slide today cuz I assumed you were gambiting and didnt get to get back before DGB got lynched. The fact that you came out today saying, "I want everyone to respond top what I did" idn't scummy perse, but it is anti town at the very least. If you are town, you are misdirecting everyone from looking for scum to looking at you.

You need to die.

You are Anti-town at the very fucking least.

If you are a cop. You are a piss poor cop.

Unvote:
Vote: Blackberry

Can we kill tans, though? This is a terrible opportunistic vote.

Vote: tanstalas

[VitaminR]

True, but it read as pretty sincere. And a vengeful kinda makes sense for Faraday? I don't think it's a strange claim.

[VitaminR]

Do you disagree with my reasoning for placing the vote?

Yes. You seem to be saying that Blackberry is a good lynch, because, if he's town, his behaviour is anti-town anyway. I disagree that that is a good reason to lynch someone.

If you want, VR, I can pull up IC's phony behavior to help you see the light.

Go for it.

[VitaminR]

Hmm.

Unvote: tanstalas, Vote: ABR

[VitaminR]

Ahh, traitor would make some sense, actually. Didn't think of that.

We said it D1: Kise has joined the scumlist. The buddylist is changing, but at least we know KISE AND BLACKBERRY ARE SCUM. This is a chainsaw defense on Blackberry if I've ever seen one, and I hate using those cheeky buzzwords.

Kise looks pretty town. Just fyi.

[VitaminR]

VitR is your brother still alive?

Probably? He's at some maths competition, I think, and then he'll be in France for a few weeks.

[VitaminR]

Vote: tans

VitR, get back on tans.

Nah, I don't think scum-tans would be all "I'm getting scummy vibes from VitR." He wouldn't come after me without some kind of reason as town, I don't think.

Berry makes a ton of sense as a traitor (considering the DGB flip, his off behaviour today, plus his The Mole connection means the role is a natural fit). Unless he has some sort of superconvincing story, he's probably the lynch for today. He's just a danger to us otherwise.

[VitaminR]

Alright, let's do this.

Unvote, Vote: Blackberry

That's a hammer, I think.

[VitaminR]

I took Tans's into account. L-1 then I guess.

[VitaminR]

Vote: TheButtonmen

[VitaminR]

I'm here. CES and I will be V/LA until the 23rd, but will try to post as much as we can.

[VitaminR]

Current thinking for me is TBM and Minineko (would be willing to lynch both of these), maybe ABR.

IC still reads town to me, particularly now that Faraday is posting again (I can't really read xReck that well).

[VitaminR]

Minineko was not confirmed by mod error. He could easily be scum. I think he makes some sense on PoE.

ISO Blackberry right now. VitaminR, I want your personal opinion on this. Do you think that Blackberry's interactions with TBM on D1 make sense if TBM is Mafia, given that BB has flipped

traitor

? Do you see any similarities between BB's treatment of TBM and Nikanor?

I'll need to delay answering this, but I'll get to it (I'm in rural France and only have like half an hour of internet use once every couple of days).

Oh, VitaminR, question.

How would you rate your forum play as opposed to your F2F play? Do you think you're more or less readable on the forums than in person? What do you think is the difference between your town and scum play?

Tough question. I'm probably less readable on the forums. I think I sometimes get nervous as scum F2F, particularly at LyLo. Also F2F, my scum play feels more slow and deliberate to me than my town play. In forum play, my scum play is not that different from my town play. The difference I think mainly lies in that I do more gut-based turnarounds as town. I still do not feel confident using gut reads as scum, so I tend to use more reasoning. I also tend to vote-park more as scum. As scum, I change my mind slowly. As town, I change my mind quickly.

[VitaminR]

Eh.

Unvote, Vote: ABR

Does anyone know if there's a way of getting all the posts in a thread on one page so I can save the page and read it off-line?

[VitaminR]

CES, explain to me why you are so sure IC is scum.

[VitaminR]

I'm here and reading. I just got back and will be online the remaining three hours until deadline. CES should be online soonish too.

[VitaminR]

hey vit! vote sens for gret justice

Ehh.. I still think both of you are town. I'm not sure what to do. I really really want to lynch in TBM or ABR, maybe tans or Minineko. CES is prob town, Mina is obv town, dram is probably town with the way he's going after Sens.

[VitaminR]

Vit: 2 hours untill deadline, it's nearly 8 here now.

Well, UK is currently at GMT+1 because of summertime. He said GMT.

[VitaminR]

I re-read, but I'm still pretty sure you are both town. I don't really want to vote Sens just because I disagree with his reads more.

[VitaminR]

I re-read, but I'm still pretty sure you are both town. I don't really want to vote Sens just because I disagree with his reads more.

Haven't you thought everyone is town?

Who the hell is scum?

I gave like four people I would be willing to lynch on the last page. I don't know what you're referring to.

Also, I have never thought TBM is town.

[VitaminR]

I've been pretty transparent about my reads, I think. May not have posted much.

I thought Nik was town and I think IC and Sens are town. That's it.

[VitaminR]

Eh, crippling self-doubt.

[VitaminR]

Faraday's really really town, or he's playing me like a sucker.

Vote: SensFan

[VitaminR]

Being transparent with reads means jack shit.

I WANT MOAR FROM THE MIT KID.

Fair enough. I do intend to put more effort into this game.

[VitaminR]

VIT: PATRICK TOLD ME THE SCUM TO MAKE IT LIKE GOOFBASH. I CAN'T BE WRONG.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, but if the alternative is both of you dead, this is what I'm going for.

[VitaminR]

CES got on a train to his place like an hour ago. Should be getting online any time now.

[VitaminR]

Ah man, I wish I weren't somewhat responsible for this flip. Now I'm nervous. I much prefer when I am coasting and no one listens to me.

[VitaminR]

Vit: why no answer to my question about TBM? Have you read BB 's ISO yet? Also, why is Mini a suspe t by PoE, but not one of the other lurkers?

I have to admit I completely forgot to read up on that. That's a very good point. If BB knew who the scum was, then TBM is town. Especially given Blackberry's Day 2 play, it's clear his intention was to be as destructive as possible. That doesn't jibe very well with a WIFOM-bus.

Who are the other lurkers you are referring to here? Mini is a suspect partially by PoE and partially a gut feeling.

[VitaminR]

TBM, what are my blatant town tells?

Faraday, what are your reads today? Who is scum?

We need to hear from Mini today. If he doesn't post content, he's basically a wild card.

[VitaminR]

I mostly agree with that. Though I don't think we should be too quick to treat TBM as confirmed town. It is possible that BB didn't know who the scum were.

[VitaminR]

VitaminR, are you a neighbour, yes or no?

Yes, I'm the last neighbour.

Also, you didn't comment on IC's retraction of their vengeful claim, the resulting clusterfuck, etc. Thoughts?

Ah, to be honest it feels like a big mindfuck, my mind is not at all made up about it. On the one hand, it's a completely crazy story but, on the other hand, his anger feels quite genuine. And part of me feels like it'd be a little too cheap for Faraday to just meltdown himself into town status. But I find it hard to trust him.

I actually came back from the night convinced that IC was scum, like you, especially after talking to CES about it. One of the major things that was holding me back was the self-hammer gambit, to be honest, because it seemed too botched a gambit to do as scum (he wasn't even close to really being hammered). The fact that he admitted that it was a gambit sort of clears the last mental hurdle for him being scum in my mind. But at the same time I don't really understand the scum-motivation for retracting the claim?

And the Sensfan read bothered me. I never really saw anything in that read and usually I feel like Faraday's thinking is at least somewhat similar to mine. Thinking back, I should have made a different choice at deadline and I'm kind of annoyed at myself for it. I thought Faraday was too overtly trying to manipulate me to be scum (the whole "vit with me"-thing would be pretty shameless) and I thought we'd lose two townies because of the vengeful. But I was sure Sens was town and it was the wrong choice, I think.

Sooo, I don't know. I'm finding it hard to make an objective evaluation. There's a bunch of things that really make me think town, but other things that don't sit well with me. I'm leaning town, but I like Faraday and I'm worried that I kinda want to read him as town.

[VitaminR]

Let me rephrase and amend my conclusion: I think he's town, but I'm paranoid.

[VitaminR]

ABR, I want your opinions on everyone in the game.

Same for tans, Minineko, and TBM.

On that note, Patrick,

can we get a prod, preferably with something sharp, for Minineko

?

[VitaminR]

I actually like to think this is the sort of thing I could do as scum but I'm not sure. Other people are probably in a better position to answer but I feel my meta is reasonably consistent and it's small things that seperate town faraday and scum faraday. but enough about me!

Hmm, noted.

do you think abr is scum Vit?

He'd be a good lynch, yes. I think he makes the most sense as scum currently. I think you, Mina, and dram are town. Mini I'd hope would be more active as scum. TBM is unlikely given BB. That leaves tans and ABR. ABR danced around the Nik wagon Day 1 and has been generally useless. It also sort of explains why there's a general absence of obvious scum.

[VitaminR]

Btw; if anything Mina your neighbourhood felt more 'artificial' in creation -- Katsuki's really not a loud player; certainly no more loud than me. I thought there was a better chance there was a scum neighbour here because of this.

Yeah, I've puzzled about this since Day 1. My neighbourhood felt quite natural, but Fate/Katsuki/Mina/Sens doesn't really. But I never really thought any of them were scum, so I never did anything with it.

[VitaminR]

Fate is probably grinding his teeth reading this game.

He always if people don't do exactly what he'd do. Tans and ABR, could I get your opinions on everyone in the game? I want a list with assessments and your best guess for the scumteam.

[VitaminR]

I was reading over BB's ISO and wanted to bring a few things to attention.

BB said this while claiming:

Also, my initial plan Day 1 was to look scummy-ish (i.e., tunneling on TBM for no reason whatsoever - although I also did it to annoy TBM ) on purpose so mafia had no reason to nightkill me.

I believe he was being truthful here. This strategy makes a lot of sense for a Mafia Traitor. It also strongly suggests that, if BB knew who the scum were, that TBM isn't scum (because the strategy doesn't make any sense then, he's actually courting the NK much more).

Then there's this post, after BB was hammered, which I had completely overlooked the first time around.

Also, since I'm lynched:

I'm pretty sure Kise is a traitor of another mafia. Nikanor was in fact a mafia that I was a member of, HOWEVER, there is only one other mafia remaining that is in MY group. Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me (Hence Nikanor asking if anyone wants to claim The Mole). I guess there could be 2 mafia groups of 2, each with a traitor, BUT, that doesn't explain the lack of kills. I don't know Patrick enough to help yall outguess the scenario so I'll leave it to yall.

Yes, I was a mafia Traitor.

And I guess technically the lynch was wasted on me since if you had killed the last mafia in my group, I technically lose the game. So yay-ish?

This is interesting for two reasons. One because it strongly suggests that BB knew who the scum were (the way he talks of being a member of the same mafia as Nikanor) and two because of this weirdness about there being only one remaining mafia member. The latter is probably just Blackberry messing with us, though his conviction that Kise was a traitor also seemed sort of sincere (maybe he only knew the identity of two scum?).

NULL

Mina/Katsuki
Cogito Ergo Sum

TOWN

VitaminR
tanstalas
Sensfan

SCUM

TheButtonmen
ABR - voting both me and Tans, voting two towns = scum
Irish Carbomb
Minineko - scum, scum, scum

TRAITOR

Kise - I know this almost 100% certainty.

This list bears perusing, knowing what we do now. If BB knew the identity of two more scum, the question is what he would have chosen to do here. One thing that's notable here is his assessment of Minineko. Blackberry says nothing at all about Minineko elsewhere. Also note how constructed the ABR read is.

BB also explicitly steered Reck away from an ABR vote here:

ABR is getting scummier for his continual lack of content

I think it would be in our best interest if you two put your matters aside and join the voting buttonmen gig. I will pay you. Not in sexual favors thought *hides from dram*.

And mostly ignores ABR otherwise.

[VitaminR]

My guess for the moment is ABR+Minineko. Both of those would make good lynches today.

[VitaminR]

ABR, why have you kept your eye on me since the beginning of the game? What have I done that has made your suspicious?

Could you also talk about how you came to forget about tans, (notable, since he's been a strong scum read of yours)?

[VitaminR]

You made comments like "Nikanor is a horrible wagon" and said he was town a couple times IIRC.

I did, yes. So did you start being suspicious of me after Nikanor was lynched? Or before that? What did you think of me Day 1?

Btw, did you think Nikanor was scum? You never said anything about him Day 1. Why weren't you on that wagon?

[VitaminR]

Irish and Minasuki (and dram) both seem obviously town, the scum are prob between Button, ABR, tans and Vit, Button says its not Vit so I can leave Vit out for now, and with posts like that ABR seems most likely. Sounds like he's trying to plot a scum win out loud.

Why does Button saying I'm town mean you can leave me out for now? Explain this to me, please.

TBM, take your time but I would like to see you talk about the blatant town tells that you said I have dropped.

[VitaminR]

Alright.

Vote: ABR

[VitaminR]

Welll, that explains TBM's town read on me (it sort of confused me, because it felt a bit insincere and no one ever reads me as town that easily and that early). Mina, from my perspective, it was pretty noticeable that TBM went out of his way to call me town a bunch of times (it started Day 1 when he responded to Fate's comment about me by calling me "town as hell" after we had had a long interaction about his DGB vote in which I attacked him - a read that was pretty out of the blue).

Tans looks really bad in this last page. The apathy is really something I would expect from scum-tans and not so much from town-tans. But I really want to hear from Mini.

[VitaminR]

What I mean is that tans is supercavalier about being lynched here:

If you want tp lynch me, that's fine. However, I think we should lynch the lurker since we have a spare kill, if you lynch me, well, whatever, still NL tomorrow so it's down to 3p lylo

Considering that he gave THREE possible scum reads today, I don't see how town-tans would be willing to be one of our two remaining lynches. Especially if tans sincerely thinks that we should lynch Mini for being a lurker.

The above quote seems to be saying that it's fine if we want to lynch him, but we should lynch the lurker first, which is just not a town attitude in any way.

[VitaminR]

see and now i'm second guessing myself due to DAT TIMING.

@mina, vit. thoughts on tans after the back and forth we had?

Eh, kinda tempted to hammer Mini, but making myself wait for him to check in. Don't like lynching someone without posting.

But yeah, Tans' insistence that we lynch you and you vig him doesn't feel so much like what scum what would do. Plus, his attitude of apathy kinda makes sense from the perspective of a town player who doesn't feel superengaged with this game any more. His admission that he doesn't want to be in LyLo and have to make the call seems like how I can imagine myself feeling.

[VitaminR]

Who do you think is scum and why?

[VitaminR]

Why did you miss your first night action? The day ended not too long after your last post of that day.

Also, who would you have protected that night? Had you decided?

[VitaminR]

Eh, tans is looking worse to me again now.

Though I can't help but feel that Mini might have kept Mina/Katsuki alive all that time to set up a Bodyguard claim. But that's probably a stupid though. It just seems really convenient that an obv townie has been alive for all that time that Mini can claim to have protected.

[VitaminR]

I'm entertained by the fact that Mina can never trust me.

[VitaminR]

I'm voting Mini unless someone can convince me that the correct play in this situation is to keep him alive for the bodyguard WIFOM.

[VitaminR]

Vote: Minineko

[VitaminR]

Well, tans is definitely town for that stupid outburst. Feeling pretty good about lynching Mini now.

[VitaminR]

*twiddles thumbs*

Really hope that this is it.

[VitaminR]

PS our neighbour QT is awesome.

I really want to be neighbours with you guys again. I feel bad, though, because CES almost talked me around to believing that IC was scum, but then I let Faraday (WHO I WILL NEVER TRUST AGAIN) talk me out of it during the day.

[VitaminR]

I did dislike the adding of people to hydras in an ongoing game, btw, especially considering now that it was only scum that did it in this game. It did sort of give credit to Faraday's claim that he wasn't feeling this game and that his behaviour was off initially for that reason. It was also a bit at odds with the intention of the game (I mostly ignored Reck, for instance, because of not really knowing him).