TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win
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Anyways hello. Claim time right?
I'm town tracker, nice BW putting tracker at L-2 derp.-
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Leonshade wrote:Junpei wrote:Anyways hello. Claim time right?
I'm town tracker, nice BW putting tracker at L-2 derp.
Why would you claim unprovoked?
You're high right?
I'm at L-2 on a d1 BW in full swing with people going V/LA and I just entered the game.-
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I'm still rereading, but killerjester, so far you have a habit of voting without giving reasoning. You've voted out of nothing just after a vote for the same person was cast.
Just putting it out there that your last bit of your post is a bit of a joke.-
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killerjester wrote:RVS is always a joke. But it yields results so I never complain.
Not talking about that
I'm getting near the finish, would you guys like me to post my raw thoughts or would you prefer me to structure them/cross-reference/tidy it up? Either way you'll get the same basic information, the latter will just be less insightful to my mind but could be easier to understand. My raw thoughts aren't just my notes c/p, but it pretty much is (my notes c/p would be unreadable to you guys ).-
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I'm done, I don't think that I'm going to respond to your walls in depth or anything because none were directed at me, unless there are those who want me to. I am not accustomed to such large games on forum mafia so I'm not sure what I am supposed to let you guys know. I suppose I will give you a background information summary on me.
I had 1 year of EM experience and like 2 games of Forum Mafia experience. I am very used to the fast-paced reaction based style of play and it has been strange adjusting to Forum Mafia, however I feel like I am making a pretty strong shift from the former to the latter.
I am not a fan of meta although I know that it is used by people a lot and may even catch scum. But any decent player won't give you a link to a game that will incriminate them, that's just silly. Regardless I won't insult your use of it I will even accept it and even use it myself, I just dislike dependence on it and I dislike it in general.
I'm a logic thinker, if you don't quite understand something I say ask me, I will explain to you why I said it and what it means. I would also rather people explain why they believe something to be true in detail if possible and when applicable.
Sorry I'm a bit energy deflated and I'm currently juggling several things on top of it. I need to go out and run soon, so I'd like a response from someone on #314, as I will gladly do either choice even for just 1 person. Conversation rolling is good, and I'd like to uncover people's thoughts swiftly so we can determine a lynch. Also, 1 month deadlines loldamn, I was used to 15 minute deadlines in EM.-
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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Junpei - That's a nice biography. When you complete you readthrough tell us who is scum please.
Oh, I did. And I think Killerjester, ThreeisFrench, and LeonShade is mafia. I am less sure on the third as I haven't gone into much detail as some of your posts have, but from what I can tell there is reason to suspect. I eventually will look into him more.
Meran deserves a vote for never posting, and since I have whatever vifams' random vote was I place it there for pressure. Meran isn't someone I can say is scum but I will rather vote her if it helps get content out of her.
Zlinger is suspicious for not making many good posts, I'll also eventually get around to going into detail on that if I don't get too engrossed in my other reads.
Thats what I got in my notes anyway, these people are rated rather high on my scumlist. In fact they are the top.
Hi ZeL1nK I noticed you are remaining anonymous. That will be very bad unless you promise to differentiate who is posting when you post. If I don't know which head is posting it is very difficult to read you (p.s. I hate hydras).-
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I will provide more in depth reasoning soon, I'm going to 1) finish this marathon game I"m in (why do I even join them when I can play on EM) 2) run a bit and probably eat but I'll eat at my computer.-
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Meransiel wrote:@Junpei: I don't like posting day 1 in larges. You can ask people.
vote Meransiel
Just realized I didn't vote you
While I have you here, how about posting some content <3 because posting content is better thannotposting content.-
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andrew94 wrote:chkballing classic scum, posting huge wall of reads. i looked at some of them 'andrew lurking scum'. thats your reason?
early claim is null
magna post 308 town tell
leon post 307 scum tell. no unvote?
lolwut
Sorry that was my reaction. Please site the posts you're referring to and be more detailed on your last two points.-
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BW 1 is on Vezok. This can be something denoted as RVS however BWing tendencies are important and don't discount an action because it can be written off as 'random', since nothing truly is random.
BW 2 is on Jilynne1991. Is right after other votes on the same person and is accompanied with 1 sentence of reasoning that is summed up in "my last bw isn't as good".
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3244420
Votes Leon for supposedly distancing himself from a lynch? That's better than your latest BW vote? I'm starting to think that you're just voting without specific reason.
Only 1 vote has been any good and that has been your David vote. I just realized that he did explain the Leon vote but it has been rather late. His other content is very meh, I haven't gone into depth on it but once again I just entered I normally go into depth once I'm 'in the zone' and really got the scent of scum.
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RVS vote vote before this was /confirm post
votes marco for little reason at all
votes vifam purely based off of a post where he lists 8 or 9 people and his reads on them. Yeah I agree it was a pretty shitty post, however it was directly after a MoI vote on vifam. Not to mention this post has little content
he's a hydra yet still inactive as all hell. By the way WHO ARE YOUR HEADS.
another vifam vote probably from his other head, but it shows that he is BWing for the sake of sticking with the crowd. This was right after the next wave of vifam votes. It also shows that the two heads aren't sharing their reads and scumtells, possibly because they don't need to scumhunt because they are in fact scum.
Next two posts are so fluff I don't even know what URL heading I'd give them. Then,
ok. which was my reaction after reading it. He voted again because votals didn't have his name (by the way that isn't true) and because of his added evidence. The only thing he posted other than the vote was him questioning something that some nero did.
This guy has to be scum.
Leonshade is going to take more thinking later, but I am not saying I am confident in the scumread on him, I only browsed the various posts against him and I still would need to make a better judgment.
Zlingeris easy so I'll do him quickly
First 5 posts are contentless other than a nameclaim (I don't know why but ok fine nameclaim, it's stupid but go for it. We don't know if roles name specific flavornames or not. For instance "do this to rolename A and you get ability X" is something that I've seen in marathon games that might translate to here).
Joke post I hope, otherwise it's dumb post, because mafia CCing a nameclaim that fypov is legit is stupid beyond thinking.
First post that seems contentish, because it really can't be defined as content. Grudges, Vifam BW, stupid CC, says everyone but Vifam/CC guy is null, and then says he's using his action on ZeLink. I don't understand this guy, why would you out your action and we don't even know what your action is. So telling us just hints to us that you aren't a non-visiting role which makes you a kill target. If you really are a PR (probably mafia) then you're a fool.
Then there are two posts regarding the grudge. Once again trying to push the topic offtopic and railing 'vigshots' off of him with accusations of AtE.
Says he's done 'not nothing' ... ... Actually you have done nothing.
My vote is staying on Meran though because no need to lynch scum yet, I want Meran to talk.
pedit: Scum in this case probably would claim PR, it's the only way to get the BW off, but town PR would also claim town PR. Also you shouldn't rush to lynch the new guy, I promise you that after reading this post you'll see there are better options.-
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I am a male. Some people call me a she, I think is has to do with my name starting with Jun so they pronounce the first syllable "June" which is a common girls name.
And after going over killerjesters ISO again I didn't notice anything that should put him up at the spot where others are on the scumlist.
Several people like Goomba are going to need more time so they can post more but I don't want them to hesitate to start on that asap.-
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I don't really care if he's usually inactive, I want him to be active this game. Creating a meta of being inactive d1 is stupid, and is a habit that needs to be kicked. If you are town then stop using your meta as an excuse to be lazy and help out.-
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Killerjester I'm not ignoring his scumminess I'm simply stating that I am not going to go down in record supporting something that I haven't investigated.
My reasons for suspicion on KillerJester was his bad voting habits. But right before I posted he made a scumcase on Leonshade which made my vote case look silly. Also I hadn't read the whole thread in detail looking for reads I was taking notes on the first things I noticed. When I went to go browse his ISO I found that he wasn't as scummy as I thought. A list of reads on everyone is not happening as there isn't enough content to make those reads on. That thing where you guys bounced Vifam for having that silly post was laughable. Reads on 24 odd people this early? They're about as inaccurate combined as a blind archer.
I didn't mean that I personally hated hydra users. I meant that I hate the idea of hydras in that it makes me have to have a ton of extra work separating you two. At least tag your posts saying which one is posting... Really it would help me out a ton. I don't even care about the names it could be guy A and guy B just TAG YOUR POSTS WITH WHO YOU ARE.
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I have a possibility: He lied and the other head actually did post that.
Also alright I'll start my case on Leon and whehter i find him scummy or not now-
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ISO 3 He decides to pick out Rodion and tell him that a fullclaim would be a bad idea especially this early. This is something that many others have already said and there were more credible things to discuss.
ISO 3 His logic here is bad because the two statements are not contradictory. Either way he seems to be focusing on something trivial as Rodion is new to this site and this is probably a misunderstanding. As far as the fullclaim goes, I would say that given that the implication was that there was a speed lynch there is probably some lost-in-translation understanding between you two. Either way this post lacks logic or reason.
ISO 4 I like this post I guess. I mean it isn't a great post but I can't say it is bad. I understand why he is lynching Jilynne although he just says he its 'offputting' so he definitely is lacking logic. But that's a case where you don't really need logic. Other than that he answers a question. With 18 hours separating his 3 and 4 though, you'd think he'd have more to discuss than the scummy post at the top of the page.
ISO 5 So he says he finds Vifam scummy (BW tactic, he doesn't vote her so he's distancing himself from a lynch that ends in a d1 town death possibly). Also he keeps his vote on Jyl. Over a day has passed and this is all he has to say.
ISO 6 Lol'd when I read this one as it was the same thing I said. Anyways yeah, nothing else to note other than he defends his ISO 5 in 1 sentence.
ISO 7 Provides a logical reason to change his vote to Vifam I suppose, although it is a bit of a BW. Either way I like the way he explained why he was on the Jyls' lynchwagon and why he is no longer on it.
ISO 8 I like the first part of the post, although i don't like how all his posts thusfar are centralized on things that don't matter too much in comparison to all the other things going on. I also don't like how he isn't being detailed in why he thinks certain things as much as I'd like. This is also his first attempt at scumhunting through a non-vote in this game.
ISO 9 Part 1 is links to a game. Part 2 is responding to someone's case.
The last two posts are dumb.
I think that he hasn't posted nearly enough content and has made very little if any attempts at scumhunting or following up on his attempts. He isn't being productive and while he does chime in every now and again it is mostly fluff and it is always not as productive as it could be.
Once again my vote stays on Meran but I certainly find LeonShade suspicious for drifting between general opinions and and not actually searching for scum, which is often what scum do.
Pedit: Zinger that is the shittiest comment ever. Go respond in a serious manner and start posting content or start traveling because you'll be dead soon and you'll want to make the most of your short existence.-
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Noted.
Meran has just jumped up on my scumlist for responding to that post with nothing at all.
You have made posts that imply you'll eventually post something until you finally make a post saying to never expect anything from you. And then you say that you're too lazy and it 'isn't' going to hurt me that much' to have you gone all day? This seems like a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.-
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Meransiel wrote:Junpei wrote:Noted.
Meran has just jumped up on my scumlist for responding to that post with nothing at all.
You have made posts that imply you'll eventually post something until you finally make a post saying to never expect anything from you. And then you say that you're too lazy and it 'isn't' going to hurt me that much' to have you gone all day? This seems like a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.
It is a scum tactic to get a free ride day 1.
I'm assuming you're referring to my tracker claim? The difference is that with my role known, if I were mafia then there'd be other mechanical ways of trapping me and proving that I'm mafia. Your method is nothing more than 'i will not post till d2' which of course implies that you know you'll live d2. This also implies that we will have some benefit in not lynching you today. It also gives us to material to scumhunt you with in future days if you survive.-
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Funny, you don't even have the Vifam slot up there... That's interesting as it is.
this is the very first time you've said you wanted to lynch Pine and he's already your first choice
Mind sharing why? Also did you read any of those walls of text?-
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If you do not find the game of mafia entertaining that I do not understand why you play it. Participate in conversation with adding your reads (I'm assuming that you have reads right?) and providing insight. In fact why dont you tell us your top three scum right now and maybe even some reasoning to go along.
Otherwise I guess you're claiming scum?-
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I second the Ultimatum brought up by vollkan.-
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Meransiel wrote:Nah, I'd rather you guys lynch me. I don't see how that would help you, but whatever.
I don't believe this. Alright you must be suicidal.
Vigilante if you exist shoot Meransiel at night, unless something huge comes up this day, this is a MUST as Meransiel is almost confirmed jester.-
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Alright, I see your point for Pine.
As far as a vifam slot, before I came and claimed tracker everyone wanted to lynch Vifam. Everyone found her scummy, however I probably won't be lynched today barring a claim, unless I've already convinced you in my first 10 or so posts that I'm town I'm surprised that you already find the slot town.-
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No Meran it is too late you have already sealed your fate as Vigilante target for the first night. Unless you might decide to help?
It seems like you're getting worried Meran that you'll die tonight before getting lynched and lose...-
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Meran is now vigilante-meat.
I see your reasoning on Pine and that we need to place more pressure on him, but there is something that makes me more line ant on him, it has to do with an ongoing game so I can't really talk about it yet. I think the game will be over within a week, but I don't really know for sure. Of course this thing won't excuse his absence for that long anyways so it's not important for now.
ZeL1nK that's a mod PM question lol-
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I apologize for not knowing about there being no Jester. You see, I actually replaced in and I never knew he said there was no Jester. Regardless I'm not going to waste my lynch on him. I still think vigilante should go after him and we should make a more lucrative lynch. So far lynching him just makes it easier for town, but I'd rather have a whole town decide on a different lynch that might take more thought and have the guy with the gun go apeshit on the lurker. Zinger is someone I will lynch as well. His posts have no content.
Zinger you are doing nothing to help town and you have done nothing to help town in the past. That is a fact, you are nothing more than an obstacle in our way, and you look like mafia.-
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Oh yeah also ThAdmiral, just to respond to that one bit in your post, waiting for L-1 would have been dangerous. I knew that I was tracker and that there is no way this BW was going tot turn around just because I replaced in. People were going v/la and it was very close to a lynch.-
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Zinger2099 wrote:@Junpei, it's Day 1. Gimme a break. I see nothing that isn't just people jumping to conclusions or circumstantial.
Day 1 cases are almost always a flop. All that really matters is that we keep people talking so there is something to look back at during the following days.
Agreed.
So keep talking, but this time, post content. You know, the kind where you post reads and explain them and tell us your opinions on things we've done. Right now you aren't looking good and you are looking like Meran except that you are trying to hide your contentless expedition. I don't know which is worse but I do know one thing, and that is that you are going to be killed eventually if you don't put some more effort into the game.
When I said agreed I lied by the way, I actually think that we can catch scum day 1, and I don't see why you don't, perhaps you're overconfident? Statistically speaking most d1 cases will be flops but that doesn't mean all of them have to be. So start working and show that you're scumhunting.
@Nero that quote is all messed up, Leonshade said "Why would you claim unprovoked?" not me. I know that your post shows that you know that, but so others know, Leon said that.-
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silverdrummer wrote:Nero Cain wrote:But this begs the guestion Why did you decide to point out the flaw in my post instead of adress my claim that your slot is scummy b/c you never had a scum read on Vifam but voted him anyway?
Other head did that, I didn't see the Vifam wagon at all.
so... ask him?
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I think the reasons that we want the heads to claim is so that it is easier to read them. Sure meta is good but it is mainly used by me as a means to cross-reference what the player says is their meta. Otherwise I doubt that the player would fall into the same rutt of 'how i act as mafia'. In fact acting as either is a null tell for me. But if I don't understand which head had which thoughts and such, I can't understand their mind and that is very key in determining scum. I can't force you to claim, but you go on the scumlist for not marking your posts when head 1 and head 2 is speaking.
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...Who else? I think there is at least one more.
Also, I apologize if you've already done this Zel1nK, but I couldn't find where you explained why you claimed vigilante? It seemed to serve no purpose. You say that you "never tell jokes" and that you are always serious. You even referenced your claim recently wondering if you could kill both of Zlinger and Meran. The fact that you never joke makes me find that suspicious as that is something that you would ask in a role PM. Even so it seems rather obvious whether or not your PM says you can kill two in a night. I want you to explain this as best you can.
pedit: Zlinger that may be true although every one of your posts seems like a scumbudy prodded you and told you you were lurking...-
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@ThreeIsFrench could you go through your ISO when you get the chance and tag all your posts as either DJ or hip? Some are lacking a tag, if the post just before your last one is the first one by DJ then tell me that, otherwise please go through and tag them.
Same goes for chkballin as although some posts are tagged as either CHK or Ballin, many aren't.
Pinky and the Brain has been perfect
Ze1ink has no tagged posts other than his hydra announcement post
silverdrummer has a good system going I suppose. I won't whine over only one head signing, as long as he's consistent it's all good.
Pappums Leather Jacket never signs either, please do this.-
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Meransiel wrote:Pinky and the Brain wrote:Merans, can you post examples of you sitting out Day 1? Cause you diddin't do it in Super Hero Revolution OR SEMG, both of which are Larges I've played with you in.
Rodion: Yeah, Lyncher seems fairly rare on this site.
-diddin
In Square Enix, I active lurked. In Super Hero, Magna was pushing hard on me and I had to do something.
I read two things from that
1) You've been in 2 larges and lurked in 1 and are now using some made up meta based on 1 of 2 games to justify lurking here. This tells me that you want your meta to be lurking day 1. This isn't something you do out of principle, you just really want to have an excuse to lurk day 1, and that is bad.
2) Pushing hard on you makes you talk
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Leonshade wrote:
No, I'm stating a fact. The best I could have said to your accusation is "nuh-uh!", because there's no way for me to prove my motivations with words, only with actions.
Spoiler: My response
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- Scum try to look suspicious of someone that is in no danger of being lynched so they are uninvolved with the lynch of a townie.
AGAIN WITH THE NINJA MOVES. Meriting more votes? If I recall correctly..and I do. Back in #270 you said the reason why you were switching from Jil to Vifam was because it was taking awhile for Jil to be replaced. Now you're saying you switched it because you no longer felt Vifam had sufficient votes on him, as you did before when you kept your vote on Jil, and needed more. So which is it?
What is the bolded part even referring to? It seems to have nothing to do with the post you quoted. As for your question... those two things are not mutually exclusive. I unvoted Jil because it was taking a while for her to be replaced, and I voted Vifam for feeling that he was scummy enough to merit a vote.
Spoiler: My response
Chkballin I don't care about your meta, in fact I won't read any of anyone's heres previous games or even look at them unless they are using their meta in an argument. You can say "ISO 1: Ballin ISO 2: chk" etc, which would be really helpful. And believe it or not you are 2 players and you have 2 minds and the way you speak is different if only very slightly. I would greatly appreciate it. Although as long as you tag your posts from now on it won't be such a big deal to go and retag all your previous posts if it is too much of a hassle to do.
Zlinger what you're doing is 100% anti-town. We are wasting energy/posts on you and that is bad. I won't take role-excuses for an answer as it seems like a really cheap way to get out of jail free. Could someone please confirm that there is a likely mechanic that implies that what Zlinger is doing is smart? If there is then Zlinger is an idiot or mafia for softclaiming it. If not than Zlinger is mafia or we have an unlikely scenario.-
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vote Meransiel
Didn't realize the mistake, sorry.
ThreeIsFrench are you ever going to post any sort of reads or anything? I guess you're telling me that DJ is MIA, but who needs him right? Just tell us YOUR reads.-
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Pappums Leather Jacket wrote:Zinger townslipped.
I don't see it. Please elaborate when you make claims like that.-
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Well killerjester this vote makes no sense to me. You are choosing to lynch izak apparently because of a post that Pinky made regarding his cognitive dissonance on Jester jokes. Unfortunately I can't say it is a scumtell because if you'll notice (and Pinky noticed as well) that it was most likely caused by Pinky's response to the first instance. I'd like to see izak's response though before I go into anymore detail. Regardless your vote seems out of place given all the other options we have going for us.-
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killerjester wrote:Should I elaborate? izak's second instance, the one where he talks down on you for suggesting a jester possibility seems like he's over-compensating for his earlier mistake. That's what really rang the scum-dar in my head.
I can see that, fair enough.-
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ZeL1nK wrote:junpei wrote:Also, I apologize if you've already done this Zel1nK, but I couldn't find where you explained why you claimed vigilante? It seemed to serve no purpose. You say that you "never tell jokes" and that you are always serious. You even referenced your claim recently wondering if you could kill both of Zlinger and Meran. The fact that you never joke makes me find that suspicious as that is something that you would ask in a role PM. Even so it seems rather obvious whether or not your PM says you can kill two in a night. I want you to explain this as best you can.
In what possible way could it benefit you for me to discuss my motives here?
Well I find hiding under hidden role mechanics suspicious and I wanted to see if there was any way that you could safely explain some of it to me. From what I know vigilante can only kill 1 person at night typically.
As for the people who are saying don't point out Zlinger's town slip, if out of the handful of people who seem to have seen it there is 1 scum, then scum will already know. No reason to not inform town. Besides, scum will find it out in 1 months' time anyways, but someone like me who is new to the site and (admittedly) not understanding of how someone could townslip, it'd be helpful.-
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First: stop quoting walls when you are only responding to a small piece or making a small comment.
Second: Marco that's called wifom and besides, I'd rather get the moron out the way early, lets pressure him.
Third: Volkan I've seen a scum team of purely hard lurkers (like the ones that almost never post) before. You have to be wary of that as it is hard to gauge their scumminess and you can't just hold it off till lategame.-
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Meransiel wrote:Zinger, you're focusing discussion on yourself in a completely useless way, which helps because I am suspecting the people attacking you. You have my gratitude.
You're a moron on a whole new level of dumb.
Mod I hope you'll excuse that comment given the circumstances.
Just because he pointed out that you'd be gambiting town does NOT make him obvtown. You could say he's buddying or just pointing something out we all knew. I will not take you off my lynchlist. I will still lynch you with passion if I decide to, I do not believe you will be active day 2, I believe you'll just be as bad as you are as far as content goes. You'll not give us as much as we hope and as a result you'll get lynched. But there's a mechanical reason why you want to live to n1, I know it. There's something that is so good that you would risk death in future days if it means you can be assured of your n1 arrival.
The fact you want so badly to make it to n1 scares me. Town wouldn't have to show that desire this way, scum might.-
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Meran then how the fuck do you plan to be competent day 2 after 40 pages have been posted? You'll be so far behind we'll never see you.
Also I got this from your post:
1) You're doing something you do as scum normally
2) You think I'm a village idiot.
AtE voting noted.-
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Zlinger claims third party. Town would never claim third party. So either he is third party hoping that we will go with him and allow him to win, or he is scum trying to go under the radar and not get lynched.
The former means that we let someone who has been as shitty as Zlinger win. That is not something I want to happen.
The latter means that he thinks that since he is the easy lynch we won't go after him (like Meran). It also means that he thinks that people will get away from him, saying that scum wouldn't do that or something stupid like that. He has just claimed non-town, I will not not lynch him today, we need to get rid of all the non-town variables ASAP. I don't care if you won't interfere with town, I know you are either bad or null for town, so I want you dead.
lynch Zlinger
Oversoul: What part of my reads don't you agree with?
Silverdrummer: I asked you if you had read the walls of text that were posted earlier in the day, you never responded. Please respond.-
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I'm sorry, I mean vote whenever I say lynch. I'll be more aware. And he softclaimed lyncher then why did he say that he has a night target?
And I will continue to scumhunt, however I don't see myself shifting away from a confirmed non-town. The last thing we need is lyncher(if he is that) jointing with mafia on lylo. Getting him out of the way early saves us some trouble.-
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Once again, I apologize Jason.-
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1) Meran to the meta rescue. Goomba being Goomba is asking for role claims? lolwat?
2) ThreeIsFrench you neither tagged your post nor gave reasoning for that vote.-
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chkballin wrote:Zinger2099 wrote:I have the ability to win before the game is over
Are you guys unfamiliar with third party roles that aren't a Serial Killer? He's claiming that he's not a threat to town... why does that warrant him to be lynched?
Everyone on the Zinger just got scum points for going for the "easy mislynch" when it's obvious he has a win condition completely seperate to the rest of the town.
See also: get over yourselves. Would scum claim like that? Seriously?
~CHK
1) Not familiar with all but most
2) The easy lynch isn't always the wrong one. And I find it odd that you say mislynch. How are you so sure that it is a mislynch? You do realize that scum lie right?
3) Yes, it's a wifom tactic. Rather smart as it keeps possible SKs off of you and the town off of you. This creates a case where you are immune to night and day kills and no one gets suspicious. Also note how he doesn't specify a time when he'll win. He says that he could win soon or it could take a longer time, he even offers the possibility that he'll live to LYLO. Does that not seem odd to you?-
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I think the mod cleared him somewhere (That's what people are saying) but I don't see it or the town slip. Regardless he isn't a townie so that is out of the window.-
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I don't want flinger to win, he doesn't deserve to win. If he is third party/scum (he is confirmed one of those) then he will be less likely to win by killing him. If we don't lynch him I demand we shoot him via vigilante.-
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Zinger2099 wrote:Any time spent on me is time wasted towards your own win conditions. If I am to win I should be out of the game before the end of it, and if I am not I probably can't win (my target is likely dead).Guys trust me, you shouldn't bother lynching me, I promise
My role is similar to what Peregrine quoted, though not the same. I also don't leave the game after a set period of time as far as I can tell, I only leave if I win.
In any event, for those of you who are town out there, I would be extremely suspicious of the people who are pushing my lynch so hard. I might not be town, but I am also not against the town. Your enemy is the mafia, and any time spent focusing on me is time spent ignoring your true threat.People voting me are suspicious. I sure hope that you guys see this and unvote me! You are probably scum!
For that matter, the same goes for the mafia. It would be wasteful of you to waste a night kill on me. Though, I can see why pushing for my lynch (as I am sure some of you are) is a good idea from your standpoint.Oh yeah, mafia too I guess! Also people lynching me are scum!
Yeah I don't like this post at all.
Also you don't deserve to win because you are not playing the way your role (if that is your role) is designed. You aren't supposed to hardclaim day 1 and say "nanana boo boo you can't touch me!", and the fact that you did makes me think you are either fake claiming as scum or more likely you are just not that smart. If you thought I had reason to lynch you before, imagine now that you've told us that you're a ROLEBLOCKER. That is such a bad thing for town, a rouge roleblocker.
Finally, this is not just an easy lynch, this is a good lynch. Stop assuming that just because it should be easy to garner support for a lynch means that it is wrong and those on the lynch are scum. That is just bad reasoning.-
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Rule 2 states that you can modkill/replace as you deem fit
Rule 3 states that you may add/edit rules as you please.
There is wiggle room to get rid of Meran if you want.-
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Well then my question is this. Is it more likely to have negative repercussions for town by lynching or vig shooting Meran?-
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A bomb being shot kills both the bomb and the shooter.-
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I agree, we are definitely not hammering any time soon.
In the event we decide to lynch him, we have Meran hammer, agreed? That is unless someone more suspicious comes up or Meran begins to post more.-
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David X, isn't that the idea here? He could have wifomed.
Regardless too much time is being spent on Zlinger and Meran, if they're scum they are doing well to distract us.
Let us focus on others where there is more to say, I will eventually get around to other leads, the thing is that most people have hardly posted and there isn't much to say, seems like we have 8 or so easy lynches.-
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He said that flavor is just that, flavor. The roles don't correspond intentionally with the flavor.-
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ZeL1nK wrote:
Lynching Zinger is almost too easy.
Wrong, it IS too easy. And that is very interesting to me, so much so that I am willing to call his bluff and lynch him if the rest of town will support it.-
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ZeL1nK wrote:Do you think he's mafia bluffing or do you think he's third party or some sort?
And if you think he's mafia, why do you think he did this?
And if you think he's third party, then why go after him today?
If he's mafia I think that he is testing our will and expecting us to pass on this lynch of him. Especially considering Meran's odd behavior.
If he's third party then I doubt he is the role he claims he is, in which case we need him out of the picture before he does whatever shenanigans he does. Besides, would you rather risk outing another town PR, or go for the confirmed non-town who claims to be a roleblocker?-
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ZeL1nK wrote:The risk of "outing PRs" means nothing to me. I can't help it if town PRs are playing like scum. They should probably stop doing that. Might help them not get outed.
I want scum lynched today, not claimed third party. Zinger is a good vig shot, but it's not worth lynching him today, imo.
Look, we know there are no jesters, so we know that lynching him won't be directly -EV town if he is third party
However, it is possible he has a bomb effect and that would be bad for vigilante.
Oh not to mention our vigil is out in the open presumably, meaning that roleblock party is taking place on him. Who is a roleblock that we know of... oh yeah, Zinger, the guy we want vigil to kill! Oh he won't RB vigil no way no how!-
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ZeL1nK wrote:....
You think he's a third party bomb who wins if he gets shot at night?
No.
Besides, he claims he can only roleblock me once.
I don't think he's a bomb, I'm just bouncing off ideas, I don't really know the norms are even the unusual here so I'm trying to get a grasp on that.
And
1) He claims he can only roleblock once
2) How long are you willing to delay his death?-
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ughh
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