Neon Genesis Evangelion Mafia (Game Over)

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OH HAI GUYS

POSTING AS I READ

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wtf amrun cult spectulation.
ok, i think the tracker/watcher claim is prob true because its nice and dandy

So the implication is that we have a watcher, tracker or both, perhaps rather than a finder, perhaps not. Interesting

fos frewoftherushes

for IIoA.

miller claim is null for now.
Amrun's cult mention is terribad.
vote:Amrun

why is it terribad?
oh candlejack's 16 is town because he thinks like i do, aww
loobster is scum or careful townie, need to confirm this read

page 2
i dislike kast because i like greyice.
spyrex is town
pome understanding the situation in iso41 but RANDOM VOTING is also scummy

fos: pome.

FUCK WALLOTEXTS TL DR KASTDIESCUMDIESCUM

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Bringing up cults is most definitely a scum tell, it is an attempt to derail the D1 discussion. And, even though it was "justified" as a mention of another game, that still was a (fairly successful) attempt to keep us talking about unimportant things.

WTF IS THIS POST? Do you sincerely think Amrum was planning to derailt the D1 discussion?
Stevie is either bold scumbag trying to mislynch everyone or obnoxious townie read that sincerely believes in thoeretical scumtells. Again need to confirm this read as I keep going.

page 4,.
im reading nocmen as town for detecting ace love for hopping but i think ace is just hyperactive town
greyice is painfull town in this page and drewoftherushes is painfully scum in this page.

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i got bored of chainging tabs, continued skimming over next pages.. so far I have some solid town reads and some people I want dead right now.

i hate loobster's tone, she sheems too calculating in some moves, the nocmen vote, the not voting stevie while attacking amrun... since Im leaning amruntown, I think loobster might be scum.

im torn in stevie. Ive faced these kind of players that are difficult to read since they either are scum trying to paint actions as scummy but that also make sense from an strict townie believing in theoretical scumtells. Need a deep iso to come up with a conclusion. Since it seems there are already 9 votes, a claim could also be helpful.

people that also need to die are ani, kast, malthusis and pome.

Id like drewoftherushes to get lynched basically for the constant IIoA, the active lurking, the contentless posts, his only suspect that conveniently is the top wagon, also for a lame reason "This is not good. Second reference, I think, to GI's flavor name. Eliminating possibilities for a fakeclaim?" so

Vote:drewoftherushes.

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Tajo: Nice to see you here, but onto more important stuff. Like, how the one time I'm mentioned in your post is this-

pome understanding the situation in iso41 but RANDOM VOTING is also scummy fos: pome.

, yet I'm on the list of 'people who need to die'. I need to dies for RVing?

And the same regarding Kast; he has to die for his wall-o-text posts?

Why would you RV when you already understand the situation and you can make a valid vote?

Kast has to die because wallotext overreactions to Greyice sarcasm is scummy as hell.

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I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts.

Reason being?

Reason being that there are a lot of them. I want to see what the have to say before i claim.

@spyrex please show me some respect and don't lynch me before i claim. I will claim.

??
Why are you hesitating to claim? Almost all the active people are voting you, and people are willing to hammer you. Everyone who's voting you or are about to vote you have already laid out compelling cases.

I just think you're a very inept townie, but there's no reason to stall for time.

P-Edit: CJ ninja'd me...

why do you think stevie is inept townie?

OTOH, agree with stevie claiming in FOLLOWING POST OR DIE.

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People you should also isolate drewoftheurshes and realize how scummy is this guy.

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im more interested in what gives malthusis that inept town read

stevie claim now

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malthusis who is scum?

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You guys want me to claim: I am Rei. I would rather not claim what my role power is.

FULLCLAIM NAO

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Rei? So... can we lynch now? Scum trying to fish, how fun!

??? How is that fishing?

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My role power is about 10 times more effective if scum do not know what it is.

LETS SEE IT THIS WAY

YOU ARE AT L-1 WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING YOU DEAD

THIS SITE LYNCHES PEOPLE THAT REFUSE TO CLAIM 99 OUT OF 100 TIMES

SO YOU BETTER CLAIM IN FOLLOWING POST OR YOU WILL BE DEAD ANYWAY

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN POWERFUL PR YOU ARE WASTING A LYNCH INSTEAD OF A SCUM NK

SO GO AHEAD AND FULLCLAIM NOW

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Fishing as in waiting for a counterclaim so his death has meaning.

I DONT GET IT

HOW COULD SOMEONE COUNTERCLAIM STEVIE IF HE DIDNT CLAIM ROLE?

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Starbuck, can you cite your three top suspects?

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I'm not going to full claim. Go ahead and lynch me if you want.

are you being dense on purpose?

you say you dont want scum to know your claim because they are going to nightkill you

well guess what if you dont claim, you are going to be lynched and you will die anyways

BUT

and this is an important but

if you claim something that can be proven or can be a real pain in the scum ass youll be useful as you say you want to be

and we are all happy

now do you get it?

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ARARGAR I HAVE A BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS

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IM MORE ON THE SIDE THAT A SCUM WOULD HAVE FAKECLAIMED ALREADY, NOT ONLY ROLE BUT ALSO POWER, FLAVOR, ETC

BUT THEN IVE BEEN FOOLED BEFORE

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Am I being dense on purpose? Why yes I am. I think claiming as one of the major characters is revealing enough information..my power becomes useless if people know what it is.

As far as not putting in effort? i've been scumhunting my heart out, and will continue to do so. I'm just sick of this consensus that either i am a noob or a scum. I know (mostly) what I am doing.

OK

I SAY LET THIS MAN ALIVE FOR A NIGHT

TOMORROW YOU CLAIM THIS AWESOME POWER ROLE YOU HAVE AND WHAT YOU DID WITH IT, PRETTY SURE WE HAVE WAYS TO TEST THIS

NOT THAT WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH SUSPECTS

HINT: HERBOFTHEBRUSHES

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*DREWOFTHERUSHES

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HE HAS BASICALLY CLAIMED POWER ROLE

HE IS EITHER SCUM FAKECLAIMING OR TOWN TELLING THE TRUTH

PRETTY SURE A NIGHT IS ENOUGH TO GET AT LEAST MORE INFO ABOUT THIS

ITS JUST THAT I DONT SEE SCUM REFUSING TO CLAIM WHEN PEOPLE HAVE OUTLINED THAT THAT GETS YOU LYNCHED AND YOU KNOW HOW SCUMBAGS HATE LYNCHES AND THATS A SLIPPERY SLOPE BUT W/E

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VOTE: LOBSTER

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loobster, can you make a summary of the evolution of your stevie read?

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candlejack, volkan, spyrex, ladylambadelta and iec

thoughts of lobster in following post pretty plz

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vote:Pomegranate

poor persephone
@antinfinity, why RNG?

fos: candlejack

not understanding the point on drew, reaching too much with amrun imo.

1. random vote for pom with a serious FOS for candlejack? bonus: rethoric question not designed to scumhunt, only designed to make antifinity look bad.

where has GI flailed around here or lost credibility? he claimed and sort of explained amrun's post. It seems to me you are trying to discredit GreyIce where there doesn't seem a need to be.

why not a fos for kast for reaching too much with greyice too?
maybe because uyou are scum with Kast?

However, since i dont like stevie's posts about kast wagon, either, i think this is rather poor bussing/distancing. whatever.

Pom's post gives me a vibe of fencesitting with a caution town label afterwards, it makes me wonder if perhaps there is some distancing going on here between amrun and Pom.

never votes Pom, instead votes malthuysis and nocmen

gets into a useless argument with volkan about useless=/= scummy

this whole post carries the tone, imo, of scum who is trying to get on their scumbuddie's wagon for a late bus.

this attacks sucks, doesnt feel genuine, it's forced
bonus: LC joins the "stevie is scum" wagon without a vote.

multiscum is looking like a possibility here.

WAT IN HELL MADE YOU SAY THAT

Also, for someone talkng with scuch confidence about stevie being scum, you're not voting him.

i find them both scummy. and you. my vote is on nocmen because i find him scummier.

you were defenitely NOT pushing for his lynch and you were pretty happy with stevie getting to L-2, HUH?

i didnt sheep amrun, though i do think how strongly you reacted was

a bit scummy

am I the only one seeing how SCUMMY is to call your FIRST SUSPECT actions A BIT SCUMMY.

I think you being on Stevie's wagon is trying to get you townie points if stevie flips town

but you just said Stevie was scum with amrun??????????

putting the most popular character as a safeclaim is something that has been done before in games ive played.
i'm thinking if stevie agrees to tajo's agreement, and if he is scum, it could just end in him claiming he was roleblocked the next day.

why wuld you say this if you are leaning town on stevie?

why the fixation with Kast's "stevie is a msilycnh"? . Is it because you know Stevie is town and want to make your scumpartner Kast look good when he flips?

@nocmen
i never really saw amrun as a town read, i began to find her more and more scummy as we went along

why are you answering questions to your TOP SUSPECT?

There is simnply too many scumtells in LC posting. I want her dead. In a deadpool.

CXCCCCCONFIRM VOTE: LOOBSTERCATAPULT

[populartajo]

I need to catch up. I skimmed some but more in depth thoughts later (I'm hoping we don't get another 8-10 pages of posts every weekend...that's gonna make this a pain).

For now, I'm good with a Lobster lynch. Ace and Noc are both still in the runnings as well.
VOTE: LC

There's a ton of group think going on, and I'm sure there's some scum mixing in with the group. I'm gonna hope/trust that the voting blocs don't get too silly and/or don't start giving each other free passes.

If there's questions for me, please link or repost, I'll get to them when I catch up tonight.

THIS ISNT A TL;DR POST FOR MR. KAST

THIS IS A DESPERATE BUSSING MANUEVER TO LOOK GOD WHEN LC FLIPS SCUM

MARK MY WORDS CUZ IM GETTING NKD TONIGHT

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BONUS: TRYING TO BRING DISTRUST IN THE VOTING BLOCK

PRETTY SURE YOU WOULDT HAVE SAID THAT IF YOU WERE ON IT

HUHUHUHUHUH?

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Hi, okay. Could someone on the Noc wagon please summarize its main points? Because otherwise
I'm all for an LC lynch. Tajo's got a solid case, man. VOTE: LC.

what part of it did you like the most?

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I think you being on Stevie's wagon is trying to get you townie points if stevie flips town

Should that second occurrence of "town" be "scum"? Because it doesn't make sense otherwise...

thoughts of this being a slip?

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WAIT WHEN I MADE THAT CASE AGAINST LC I WAS EXPECTING AN ANSWER TO IT

WHY DONT I HAVE IT YET?

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meh, I havent read that Surye post as much as Id like to and I dont plan to unless all my suspects are dead and the game is still going.

The basic grasp I got is that some of his reads are inconsistent which is more an indicator of someone who posts as he reads the thread with no previous information rather than a scumbag contradicting his previous stances in the same post...

More importantly he is attacking directly a lot of peple that I think are haevywetights townies which in the surface is terribad but in the inner motivation looks like again like someon who reads the thread with no previos inofmration and is not worried about getting hate from that group.

So Id say surye is town.

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Posting from phone, big post tonight.

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tl;dr

Vote: Kast.

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KAST CLAIM

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Im basically waiting on Kast claim.

Prod Kast, plz.

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CLAIMMMMMMMMMM

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What is bothering about the claim is that if its real this is some sort of convoluted doc-cop combo that leads to imba scenarios.

OTOH, if we really have this combo then optimal play is to let scum decide what do in this situation (role blocking would not be a possibility here since kast claims he targets at day).

Unvote Vote: malthusis.

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I'm sort of waiting to see Kast's claim. He hasn't posted anything at all lately.

OK...

So why did Kast's claim need to happen for you to read up on him?

Or did you just not read up on him?

why didnt you make this attack before?

As far as Kast's claim goes, followed by CJ's claim, I believe it. Even independent of CJ's claim, it's too elaborate for a fake-claim, and is too easily verifiable.

I'm interested in seeing how this Kast wagon disperses.

Malthusis is still the best lynch today, imo.

why are you interested in seeing how the Kast wagon diperses?

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I asked why you waited for kast to claim to make this attack when malthusis voted kast years ago.

About the Kast wagon disperson, so far what do you think of the votes?

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Malthusis never voted Kast... I have no idea what you're actually asking here.

As for the dispersion so far, the people I'm most interested in have yet to disperse from it.

okay, he didnt vote kast, but my point still stands,

let me rephrase it

if you didnt like malthusis waiting for kast to claim, then why didnt you make this attack when malthusis posted that?

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I don't buy it. Airstrike? That doesn't seem right to me.

this might be too easy but hey its worth the try:

Kast and stevie, do your abilities have flavorful names like "airstrike"?

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*and "lost"?

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willing to give malthusis one night to vig ace.

unvote vote: loobstercatapult

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after an iso, I think Id like drewofthersuhes killl, everyone agree with me so we can make malthusis target him tonight?

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i still think we should use malthusis to get rid of scummy people and make the game more manageable. Limiting himself to 1-shot was a bad choice if he is indeed a sk but good news for us since he now cant kill more than once.

what do you guys think of loobstercatapult?

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According to Amrun, you just hammered and put us into Twilight.

why does it feel like you knew that vote wasnt the hammer?

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so what were you trying to do there?

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did you ever suspect Pome?

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kay Nocmen is town. Paranoidtown is town.

THINGS TO DO TODAY

1. Ok, so, Candlejack now supposedly has daycop and inmunity. We should prob vote for that investigation today.

2. Stevie should claim asap.

3. Lets lynch lobster.

Vote: Lobstercatapult.

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As I said yesterday, the optimal play was to let kast alive to see what would happen in the night. But things have changed with mod post, etc.

so lets analyse the scenarios cuz Im getting worried and I dont like it.

a)Kastscum:
Kast is fakeclaiming Ritsuko. In the light of the new information from the mod, my theory is that Kast could be some role that messes with alignments (in the form of the angel that infected the magi computers according to the series) and targetted candlejack ftw.

b)Kasttown:
Kast is indeed Ritsukotown. While his ability isnt as flavorful as it is in the kastscum scenario, it still makes sense in a more general fashion. CJ has confirmed the abilities.

However, as I said yesterday, this ability is some sort of convoluted "doc-cop-mason combo" which is imbalanced for scum and I still havent researched what kdubmod thinks about this. Also, Kasttown means that pretty much he should be dead by now unless someone messed with the kill, which i guess, is possible in night 1.

Im leaning to not believe the claim but day is still early and I have some research to do regarding kdub.

So,

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With the amount of bandwagons yesterday, pretty sure Malthusis had to talk at least about a partner in his ISO.

So,

No town player would lie about being masons with another, and I'm far more inclined to believe Tar then you. Unvote, Vote Greyice

ice is town

Why are you hesitating to claim? Almost all the active people are voting you, and people are willing to hammer you. Everyone who's voting you or are about to vote you have already laid out compelling cases.
I just think you're a very inept townie, but there's no reason to stall for time.
.....
I also have good gut feeling that this is probably a mislynch, but unless Stevie has one hell of a claim (and now, don't do any retarded stalling!) I won't mind him being lynched at all.

im 95% sure this means stevie is town or that he has a very good fakeclaim. Im leaning to town since I dont see malthusis defending a partner that is refusing to claim.

Surye is def town.

Kast's claim totally checks out with me as totally believable.

I am Misato Katsuragi, Action-Immune One-Shot Vigilante.
My abilities are:
Airstrike (Kill) - As the commander of tactical operations, you can call in an airstrike to bombard enemy targets. During night phases, you may attempt to kill another player. You may only use this ability once during the game.
Lost (Action Immunity) - You do not possess a very good sense of direction, and get lost easily in the corridors of Nerv HQ. Though you maintain radio contact with other personnel, nobody can seem to locate you when needed. Any active abilities that target you, either directly or indirectly, will be unsuccessful. This is a passive ability.

How in hell does Kast claim check out with malthusis fakeclaim? and how in hell did everyone miss this yesterday? Now, regarding matlh-scum connection, would malthscum try to connect two fakeclaims? Im going for unlikely.

YAYZ, IT'S CJ SHEEPWAGON TO THE RESCUE!

possible late bussing here.

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im fucking dumb, disregard last post

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candlejack, do you think cop-doc-mason combo is likely in this game?

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I had the lyrics all ready for Kom Susser Tod since it was sooo fitting but then had an epiphany.

Stewie: Your message had nothing to do with your role right?

Unvote

Scum have a message sender. Hand it to someone who was obviously claiming bulletproof of some sort and WHAMMO get a twofer because normally I'd eat death to prove this.

But why Stevie, the "youll claim tomorrow or die" player? Why not the "bulletproof cop" that would have been lynched after your "town" flip?

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woops i posted on page 33 and missed his claim. eek. umm yeah my role is protective. I am very, very, against a massclaim in this game. Firstly, it's not fun to me, to be honest. Secondly, from what I've seen from the powers that the town will have for the next couple days the scum also have some powerful abilities as well so outing all the power roles with a massclaim might not even be in our favor.

Us power roles have already been given enough people to target tonight

we cannot possibly deal with the guessing game that would happen if the scum know everyone's role.

also, did malthusis just get confirmed by the mod? lolwut.

Thirdly, DO NOT DO CANDLEJACK'S PLAN. that is all.

how is your claim a protective role?

also, why did you imply that your role would target? (bold part)

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yeah no

im waiting for stevie to clarify doubts from my last post so I can vote cuz this is very likely a 1-1 and lolbastard isnt a valid excuse.

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Stevie at this point may or may not be fakeclaiming, as me and Tar highly doubt his claimed abilities (one shot nightkill and lynch revive, what?) and he seems to conviniently forget he said he could 'target' things.

Nevertheless, I investigated SpyreX because of his message and my own misgivings, and got a result that SpyreX is 'sided with the Angels'.

Vote: SpyreX

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There is also no way Kast is scum, giving scum knowledge of a three man secret masonry seems to negate the purpose of them, and no way would scum also give the masons on day one a one shot cop ability to hunt down the other scum.

IM MAD BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A 1-1 HERE AND THIS INVESTIGATION IS USELESS AS HELL

Also, wat, Kast being some variant of punisher to prevent massclaim shenanigans does not make sense in TARS UNIVERSE?

And wat do you mean with no way scum would give the masons that ability on day one when YOU WERE THE ONE that claimed to be targetted?

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Unvote Vote: Sprex.

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Tajo, no way does scum enable, with a cop investigate, a member of a three person masonry. If he was scum, he would never give the ability to me (especially a town masonry that he somehow knew about as scum which negates the purpose of it), instead claiming it failed, roleblocked, some other weak excuse.

that doensnt make sense because we already had stablished kast would target you and not doing was pretty much kastdead.

how could it fail it it was a day action? weak excuse would also mean kastdead.

you didnt answer why did you investigate spyrex when we already had a 1-1.

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also am I really the only one thinking that creating a role that gives cop-doc to a 3player MASONRY is powerful as hell?

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Spyrex should prob claim cuz Im getting nervous and I dont like it.

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Flavor says Magi's are infected.

where, good sir.

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Did Candle Jack get a post from mod saying it was targetted by Kast?

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i fail to see what benefit we get from stevie lynch since I think he is telling the truth regarding his resurrection powers (no flip after lynch) and I want to know TODAY if we are dealing with a cult or not.

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i also dont get framer paranoia when we have

a) a supposed day investigation that gives a guilty on Spyrex.

b) a supposed night investigation that gives a guilty on Spyrex.

I dont know if Im missing anything or not but lynching anyone but Spyrex today seems pretty useless, let alone the stevie lynch that gives zero input on the situation.

BONUS: we get cult confirmation or not.

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ghost, im assuming stevie got that PM at night, though I think clarification is needed.

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HOLD ON A SEC

CANDLEJACK WANTS TO GET LYNCHED WHICH MEANS HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT SOMEONE

SHOULDNT WE BE LYNCHING ONE OF KAST OR STEVIE?

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Vote: Candle Jack

. Quite obvious the reasoning now.

I've gotten Kast's daycop ability. So now, I'm letting the consensus decide on what needs to be targetted in order to help confirm myself to you.

CJ: Note that just because an angel "got to me" in your PM doesn't mean that I was converted, only targetted by something N2.

I say investigate Stevie. We should prob do something like

Vote: Kast.

Investigate: Stevie.

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why amrn-¡?

WHERE THE FCK IS EVERYONE?

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Still thinking we should lynch Kast but Stevie's last attempt to get investigated is scummy as hell.

Vote: Stevie.

We are not lynching CJ today. It is just too obvious CJ inmolating for someone.

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i know you are still butthurt about PYP

but Candlejack is obviously just a piece of a plan that is starting to make me nervous

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also stevie isnt scum, since when?

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im worried about lynching someone that was town, MASON, and now is scum, NEIGHBOR.

we dont need confirmation on cult, etc, we need to lynch the fucking thing that is responsible of the infection, specially with the stupid vig dead now and kast misteriously lurking.