Mystery Box Mafia - Game Over

[Rikana]

Hello, ladies and gentlemen.

Let's start.

Vote: Yami-Chan

I am not positive if this vote is significant, or random. In this case, I shall vote in order to obtain a good volume of pressure.

[Rikana]

I didn't start anything.>_< People need to stop. I know what you're trying to do. I want to play this game in peace.

mafia is anything but peaceful

You're really not helping with this quandary.

I am delighted to hear that my posts are obscure. It really helps lift the atmosphere of hate off my shoulders.

Are you an alt? Are you trying to start a fire to derail the day?

Do I sense the wonders of opportunity in your text? Why yes, yes I do.

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Vote Hohum

Speed lynch?

But the words of opportunity also come from this one's ideas as well.

Interesting. I am at a T-Junction in which both paths end the same.

I shall go to the left, and follow the road.

It shall make a circle.

[Rikana]

mine is so opportunistic it hurts. You should vote me instead of him. I am simply bwing without a cause.

True, but the xvart was trying to make a cause up.

Which one do you think is worse? Making some really bad excuse up, or not having an excuse at all?

Let's put this in real life perspective.

You get held off on a date.

Would you be more pissed if your date...
A)Sent you a really crappy "We're breaking up message", ending all discussion there
B)Sent you a "It's not you, it's me" message.

It seems that B is most probably the better choice of the two.

[Rikana]

I disagree on that notion, and therefore my vote stays on xvart.

[Rikana]

Juls could also go down that pit too.

[Rikana]

What pit?

The pit of opportunity, of course.

[Rikana]

Vote: YamiChan

Less murking about the rules and the players in the game. More content, please.

FoS: Rikana

Explain your post 91.

Yami isn't that scummy, at that stage.

Just an obv. newbie. There's no reason that Yami needs pressure, because there's a good chance she'll flail.

Juls could also go down that pit too.

unvote
vote:rikana

LMAO.

My point and case exactly found here.

#99 is where the border starts to disappear. Especially,

You don't catch the Mafia by voting randomly.

If this was the case, why did you randomly vote then?

You won't rest until I'm out of the game, and that is just sad.

At this point you have 2 votes on you. One is misted, in my standards, and one is going to happen.

In fact, that raises a good point in my mind.

CSL: Was there any reason you had to specifically vote Yami for the reasons you provided?

While you are correct at 102, you have to still realize that this YamiChan, not Vi we're talking about. While you may try to make the argument that she should be treated on the same level, that's not going to get us anywhere but a hidden policy lynch on Yami.

If Yami is to die, I propose that we delay this death for another day, and not today. I promote giving YamiChan a second chance to redeem herself and try to show us some actual content and scumhunting. While I do understand that some people must vote people who flail under pressure, let this be your exception. I have a miniscule hypothesis that if YamiChan is not lying about anything she has said thusfar, that she may indeed prove us wrong in her abilities to scumhunt and find scum.

With that being said, YamiChan. Some helpful advice.

Cut the crap.

So what if everyone is after you? Should you start caring about them now, even though you know they're wrong? Prove them wrong. Beat the odds. Stop complaining about every single little detail, and start scumhunting now. If not, then I will be wrong and feel stupid for being wrong. If you want that, then I may cause mental infliction on myself for your sake.

[Rikana]

She's appealing to emotion and flailing around like a scum chicken with it's head cut off. Need I say more?

--Ninja'd--

Yami, any proof to back it up?

I hate you being right.

Unvote, Vote: Yami

[Rikana]

[Rikana]

Obviously, you didn't read the last few pages at all, if that is what you are saying, Toon.-.- If you guys are Town, the only thing you are going to do is kill any ally. You guys are the ones playing badly. You should never let personal feelings or things like who is new and who isn't influence a game.

THIS IS NOT AN APPLICABLE DEFENSE. NO ONE KNOWS THAT YOU'RE A TOWNIE. NO ONE HAS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST IDEA BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND SAID THUS FAR CAN BE SEEN AS SCUMMY.

We're not bullying you, you just don't know how to defend yourself or actually play the damn game.

I was never honestly accused of being Mafia.

In your opinion, but the facts are right there in front of you.

Hello, ladies and gentlemen.

Let's start.

Vote: Yami-Chan

I am not positive if this vote is significant, or random. In this case, I shall vote in order to obtain a good volume of pressure.

Sorry, but something about this vote bugs me, somewhat.

Vote Rikana

Oh god. Not you too.

@rikana, i like my vote even more on you now that you switched your vote to ychan. you seem like the paragon of opportunism there.

I didn't know you could like votes more than before. Oh well.

#182 is quite good with theory. It also makes my thoughts of xvart scum go away.

However, my mood and opinion do change. I hope you realize this.

LLD is null guys. You can't tell if she opened a box as town or scum.

#301 is neruz opportunity part 2.

[Rikana]

THERE'S A CULT?

CULT ME.

[Rikana]

Post 395 comes from town. I will bet my life on it.

And 396 is :goodposting:

So suddenly Yami, who you were pushing as flailing, obv-scum earlier suddenly is a lock solid Town read?

CSL you can swim in the scum-pool.

It's not even that groundbreaking.

Grab a new box off the shelf

[Rikana]

I think he's asking for the links, and for you to shut up after that.

[Rikana]

Unvote

The VI tells are starting to overwhelm the scum signs.

I need a re-read. I won't lie, I did a sort of rage tunnel after Yami chose to say he would play, but not actually play(inb4bitchfitaboutmycritique).

Vote: InHimShallBe

Let's see what happens here.

[Rikana]

EWBOP:

Grab a new box off the shelf

Did I do this right, Mod?

[Rikana]

Reading be for pussies.

[Rikana]

you all will die tomorrow.

I'm honestly going to personally kill all of you.

[Rikana]

He said he was town aligned.

[Rikana]

Guys, if we lynch Seraphim, he'll obv. make Seraphim2 to mod the game.

Come on.

[Rikana]

Vote: Primate

I found that random note that you didn't CC quite odd.

[Rikana]

@Mod: Can boxes have false information? Is using a code to bypass a post restriction an offense? EX: A=1

[Rikana]

Emp. DK.

You not getting it right.

[Rikana]

Emp. DK.

You not getting it right.

Why?

Finding DK scum is not possible unless he's found guilty, slipped or something else that's tangible and leads to scum. His entire meta leads to a null basis because of his incoherent and outright horrible logic.

I thought you knew this.

[Rikana]

I'll look into Xvart, but I'm still good with my Primate vote.

[Rikana]

Can't hammer my scumbud.

sorry.

[Rikana]

Unvote, Vote: Neruz

Primate tomorrow, kthx?

[Rikana]

Aww.

Junox.

Primate or DK need to be shot.

[Rikana]

Add Lobster to my list.

Forgot about him.

Unvote, Vote: DK

[Rikana]

@rikana, why did you say that?

I said it as a joke. If a joke damns me to a lynch, I really don't know where this community has gone to.

[Rikana]

I'm not concerned about Lobster. He has nothing against me, just something someone else said.

Vote: Danakillsu

[Rikana]

I'm too bored to make a wall, but Lobster's case is doodoo.

I'll make a bigger post later, but explain this.

Why shouldn't Neruz be alive?

[Rikana]

you are scum. im about to sink your battleship.

Battleship? I'm a Battleship? I'm the army, navy, and air force combined. This accusation of what I am is pitiful.

your vote on ychan, your first post is stupid. you call your pressure vote a pressure vote, say its ambiguous and that you dont know what it means but stating its a pressure vote, thus removing all purpose from it.

I didn't remove all purpose. It did not only create pressure for Yami Chan when it shouldn't have, like you said, but started discussion.

your 77 comes across as stuffy and fake, and a most probable distance from xvart, putting your vote on your scumbuddy, a safer vote, than putting one on DN, the TRUE opportunistic vote on your "wagon", thus actually may having to defend/create a case agaisnt DN rather than "opportunism" something scum can point out just as easily as scum.

All I can distinguish here is that you want me to make a case on DN.

your mild threat on juls is noted in your 91.

Okay? You're not noting what I'm saying, but saying nothing scummy about them.

your 114 is a probable whiteknight of ychan(sk). you say this.

Just an obv. newbie. There's no reason that Yami needs pressure, because there's a good chance she'll flail.

Cut the crap.

So what if everyone is after you? Should you start caring about them now, even though you know they're wrong? Prove them wrong. Beat the odds. Stop complaining about every single little detail, and start scumhunting now. If not, then I will be wrong and feel stupid for being wrong. If you want that, then I may cause mental infliction on myself for your sake.

your next post is

VOTING

ychan for something that she is already doing something that you said shed do as

TOWN

. FLAIL.

You know, the point of looking at points in Isolation also requires that you look at the things that happen between.

Like this little gem from Yami.

I may be new, but I am not in over my head. I'm just being targeted by people for the wrong reasons. Ironically, this happened in my very first game on the other forum. A certain individual hated that I was new and decided to target me. No matter what evidence he saw to my innocence or what powerful roles defended me, he rallied the Town against me. He ended up making himself look more like Mafia as a result, and his death provided a key clue in taking down the real Mafia. I turned out to be one of the most valuable roles in the game and uncovered this key, ensuring a Town victory. But that individual's anger only increased at having been shown up by a newbie, and it caused things on that site to go rapidly downhill. Don't be blinded by assumptions and what seems to be. I'm not playing terribly at all. Nerux and CSL are. They are rallying against me for all the wrong reasons, and their attitude in doing so makes them look more suspicious.

No reasoning why Nerux or CSL are mafia, they're just going against her for the wrong reasons.

Proof that you and Nerux are suspicious? Every single post the two of you make backs me up.

CSL's point made me go against my gut, and with logic.

#182 is quite good with theory. It also makes my thoughts of xvart scum go away.

However, my mood and opinion do change. I hope you realize this.

LLD is null guys. You can't tell if she opened a box as town or scum.

#301 is neruz opportunity part 2.

LOL NO GET LYNCHED. you are basically saying that you think xvart is now No longer scum, but then you say...well of course i can change my mind.

No, it's more like saying that while 182 is good, I still need to look at him. Y'know, when I said

I'll look into Xvart, but I'm still good with my Primate vote.

Finding DK scum is not possible unless he's found guilty, slipped or something else that's tangible and leads to scum. His entire meta leads to a null basis because of his incoherent and outright horrible logic.

I thought you knew this.

sooo dk....is....not worth lynching/is town/

what happened here?

How the hell did you get that? I just said that DKscum is impossible to find without a guilty, because his logic is bad as town or scum. I never called him scum. I just said I'm not lynching him.

Add Lobster to my list.

Forgot about him.

Unvote, Vote: DK

soo...im assuming im added to your scum list. well then....why are you voting for someone IM voting for?! especially someone you said wasn't worth a lynch earlier that day.

your vote on dk was opportunistic and weak, along with your vote on primate, weak.

Obv. DK was the only lynch plausible D2. That and it was a quite vote. You used relationships to find DK scum, while everyone else was easily able to just get rid of him. Justifying a vote that no one would care about is scummy in itself for over explanation.

Don't answer the Neruz question btw. I understand now for re-reading.

[Rikana]

YamiChan

(4) - Rikana,

CSL

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(6) -

Lady Lambdadelta

,

YamiChan

,

ReaperCharlie

, CooLDoG, Sathoris, inHimshallibe

hohum

(1) - MagnaofIllusion
Rikana(3) - SpyreX,

xvart

, LobsterCatapult

ReaperCharlie

(5) -

Hoopla

,

Primate

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

hohum

I took out all of the people with no confirmed on their bandwagons. Neruz looks ridiculously scummy. I could see both from my investigations, but one would be more optimal. MoI is more townie, than scummy.

Those last 3 on CSL are erkkkyyyy.

Hopefully they move and stuff.

YamiChan

(3) - Rikana,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(6) -

ReaperCharlie

, CooLDoG, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, MagnaofIllusion, LobsterCatapult

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

ReaperCharlie

(8) -

Hoopla

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

hohum

,

xvart

,

CSL

, kondi2424,

YamiChan

Primate

(1) -

Lady Lambdadelta

See this ReaperCharlie wagon?

It's fucking beautiful. Amazing.

If there's 25 people in the game, there has to be at least 4 scum. Neruz or Kondi have an extraordinary chance of being scum. Danakillsu looks townie here, believe it or not. So much so, that I'm going to

Unvote

Like I did yesterday. Hopefully you'll get the correlation by now.

CSL

(10) -

ReaperCharlie

, CooLDoG, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, LobsterCatapult, Juls,

YamiChan

, DeathNote,

Lady Lambdadelta

, kondi2424
Rikana(1) - SpyreX

ReaperCharlie

(5) -

Hoopla

,

DeityKabuto

,

hohum

,

xvart

,

CSL

Neruz(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

Yami is the same as the past one, so I didn't add it. The RC is annoying, but the Neruz looks amazing, atm.

ReaperCharlie

(4) -

xvart

, inHimshallibe,

hohum

,

DeityKabuto

CooLDoG(1) -

Primate

Neruz(1) - Empking
inHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

xvart

(3) -

Kublai Khan

, MagnaofIllusion, Junox

Primate

(1) - Rikana

inHim is probably town. MoI/Juno flip would be beautiful here.

ReaperCharlie

(2) - inHimshallibe,

hohum

CooLDoG(1) -

Primate

xvart

(9) - MagnaofIllusion,

ReaperCharlie

, Kublai Khan, Neruz, SpyreX, Sathoris,

DeityKabuto

, CoolDoG,

xvart

Primate

(1) - Rikana

DeityKabuto

(1) - Empking

Xvart is going to lead to scum. I'm highly doubtful there's only 2 scum here.

inHim is meeeeeh. He would buss here.

Junox hammers Xvart. Can't see him being scum. That would make MoI scum by association of the previous Xvart lynch. This looks beautiful.

Neruz(5) - Junox, Rikana, CooLDoG,

DeityKabuto

, LobsterCatapult

hohum

(2) - SpyreX, MagnaofIllusion

DeityKabuto

(1) - Empking

I mean, thinking about it, Lobster is probs. scum. I'm town. CooLDoG is null. If Neruz is scum, which I can't see how he's not, Lobster's vote is beautifully placed.

So, basically, from VCAs, MoI is scum, Junox is town, CooLDoG is still null, Lobster is pending scum, SpyreX is erky since he's been active and I haven't gotten an active read. Empking is still null. The others are null, if I haven't said anything.

[Rikana]

EWBOP:

Unvote, Vote: Neruz

[Rikana]

are you fucking kidding me?

[Rikana]

But Neruz is scumscumscum anyway.

[Rikana]

Has anyone noticed the complete lack of defense on DeathNote's part. More votes need to go there until we at least get this scum to publicly crack rather than active lurk.

This is rather usual for him, and is starting to get on my nerves because of it.

Just wait, he's going to flaunt about his title next.

1) oh yeah, it started discussion, sure. you know, scum can start discussion to. i do not see how the way you phrased your vote was pro town at all. it gave you a lot of outs, so no one could pin your vote on anything except (gasp) starting discussion.

Scum can do it, but town is more likely to do it.

See, this is where your case gets really fizzy and starts to dwindle down into a rampaging tunnel. You're arguing about what scum can do, rather than what scum will do. Scum can do anything, and town can do anything. Town can act scummy, and we usually lynch scummy town. Scum can act townie, and we usually don't lynch these illusive scum. We lynch the people who look the worst, which are usually scum, unless the scum are playing the town like a fiddle.

2) what im saying is that this juncture, and WHY you said your vote was voting for the person who was the most opportunistic, you should have voted DN, because in fact his vote WAS the most opportunistic. your reasons for voting, and your votes do NOT correlate. this is is interpretted as distancing from xvart because putting your vote down on him is safer than DN because DN might actually call you out on it. even DN says his vote was the more opportunstic.

But that's opinion. Just because someone says something, doesn't mean that it is. You're justifying someone else's word to be your word, which isn't very good.

3) saying somone can fall in a pit was interpretted as a vague threat by me. you didnt explain it.

Pit equates to group. Again, what is so scummy about this "threat"? I highly doubt that Juls was threatened by this, nor even cared about it.

4)except you DIDNT say that was the reason you voted.

She's appealing to emotion and flailing around like a scum chicken with it's head cut off. Need I say more?

That's what she's doing in those posts...

No, it prolly made you think: "well...i guess i can put my vote on this really scummy townie, hey at the worst they are 3rd party right? i can just say i was fooled just like everyone else"

I'm honestly going to ignore your new cases if more this assuming bullshit comes up.

that isnt what you said. you said that you can change your mind, not that you have to go back and look over him. your point on your vote with xvart is that you are still giving yourself OUTS. you are like, "well, i like my vote on primate, and yeah xvart was scummy, but his 182 isnt scummy... but i can totally change my mind". you are saying your scumbuddy could be scummy, while saying, oh while voting a townie.

That assuming bullshit is coming back, but I'll answer to the parts that actually have a valid point. Yes, I didn't say that I was going to go look over him. I probably should've. If that's your case against me, go ahead and lynch me for that. I can't say anything against it without lying.

what...on earth changed your mind from saying you didnt want to lynch dkab...to wanting to lynch dkab? why was he the only plausible lynch d2? maybe its because im kinda hungover, but i dont understand what you are saying here. are you saying that me finding a relationship to vote dkab (him and rc) was the reason you voted for him?

No, your point didn't make any coherent sense.

and why woudlnt someone care about a vote? what?

Nice misrep. You honestly just looked at that paragraph skimmed it and looked for the single thing that looked scummy out-of-context. I'm getting annoyed from your annoying accusations.

[Rikana]

Yeah. That's messed up in terms of formatting.

not going to fix it.

[Rikana]

CooLDoG: I did it subjectively in terms of what it looks like each person would be doing at each moment, rather than a full run through.

I made conclusions at the end. If you don't like it, perhaps you should do one on your on.

In addition, is your scum read on me still gut?

[Rikana]

CooLDoG: I did it subjectively in terms of what it looks like each person would be doing at each moment, rather than a full run through.

I made conclusions at the end. If you don't like it, perhaps you should do one on your on.

In addition, is your scum read on me still gut?

No, I mean the whole thing is crap. I'm talking about everything. Re-do it except clearly explain every single detail related to votes. And do not take people off wagons. Simply highlight them in green or something. It just seems lazily slammed together to shovel something out there.

I never took anyone off wagons. I took the wagons with no one confirmed on. I didn't do it every time because I was never going for perfection.

That's how I do Vote Counts, and if it didn't help you then oh well. It was used to show my opinion on the vote counts during the game, rather than everyone's view.

Look at deathnote scums activity level. Look at other posts... case closed.

As I've said before, I believe actually not extremely sure, DeathNote lurks as scum or town. He's really a useless piece of dead meat that can find something juicy once and awhile.

[Rikana]

This is usual DeathNote defense.

I don't mind if you do lynch him. He's dead town meat.

However, I do mind if he flips scum. Then there's seriously something wrong here.

[Rikana]

I have a question. Its a yes or no question. You should only answer it with one word.

Are you defending Deathnote?

If yes, why?

Yes.

He's not scum.

What exactly do you think is wrong/off with the game/off with deathnotes play in that you don't think he can be scum?

There is too much opportunity in the air for this to be a good lynch, or a scumlynch.

Rikana’s 1199 ‘VC Analysis’ is so craptasticly butchered words don’t even ….

Fuck off.

I'm a Townie that received a box that allowed me to be illegible to be culted by the cult. It's called, Tinfoil Hat Theory.

[Rikana]

Beginning of game.

Level 1 Mystery(? I didn't know there were other kinds)

[Rikana]

So after that large wall this is the only response. I guess you’ve given up. Nice.

No, I was just tired. I don't care what vote I'm at. I will find scum, at no cost. Therefore, let me respond to your wall.

Rikana (who is an obv alt, IMO) votes YamiChan in ‘RVS’.

I'm not sure if I could understand that as obvious alt per se as you know who I am, or as I'm obvious to be an alt. It was kind of my point to be obvious. Using a newbie card is a weak tactic.

In response to xvart’s question about alt status and whether he is trying to ‘derail the day” he responds with the following

And? He voted me because I didn't call myself an alt. in the first post. Technically, I could try and be intelligent and do the same thing without being an alt. It was blatant opportunism and if you can stare me down and say it wasn't, you must be allied with him as well.

Hops on the Yami bandwagon in ISO 7.

I like to bounce.

I didn't hop on it for the same reasons that everyone else did. You make this look like I'm some idiot that just went on it mindlessly. Maybe it's just how I see it. I dunno.

FoS buddy, vote easy lynch townie?

That'd be really cool and all if I had any FoS' up to that point. In addition, if you can do the same thing as above and tell me everything that I have said wasn't scummy, you must be aligned with him(part 2)

Pretty strong appearance that xvart things Rikana is scum.

But like I said before, no. But wait! Xvart never said anything about Rikanascum so he must be scum lolz

Basically, the next paragraph emphasizes how I must be scum with Xvart because he didn't decide to push on me. Do you honestly think he could've lynched me? It would be an awesome way to clear me, and Xvart isn't the dumbest tool in the shed.

Of course though, that's WIFOM. So I won't push that argument.

Pulling the same “cheeky scum” move that Reaper also did.

Comparing me to Reaper is so hurtful.

Plus, um, I was trying to attract a cult. Sure, the odds didn't increase that much, but I'm pretty sure this goes into the WIFOMy area of any boxes that had cult killing supplies, rather than scum killing etc.

The rest of his Day 1 ISO is a weak vote for Inhim and one-liners.

I do love such hits.

Starts Day 2 voting for Primate? The reason is that Primate said he didn’t counterclaim my ‘Vig’ Sekrit Partner claim. Which he found ‘odd’. Which makes no sense given I specifically asked for counterclaims.

Why should you need to ask for a counter-claim for another Vig to come out.

I mean, this game is balanced. Unless there were only vigs as PRs, which would be balanced but a highly risky move on the mods part, I already knew I had a cult stopping role. And, there was a cult cop. Something seemed off there. Just because you can't see it doesn't pin me down as scum.

Spends some time White-Knighting DK in ISOs 21 and 22.

Give me a fucking break. My assessments on DK are correct. I never white-knighted him. I only said that lynching him on the basis of bad logic was a really bad idea because he does it as scum or town. Read his games. He's a complete mess that I never want to play with again.

I'll look into Xvart, but I'm still good with my Primate vote.

Yeah, because the last thing I remember with Xvart were his townie approaches, and his scummy start ups. I have to stand forward that acting scummy at first but then improving play isn't that bad.

More cheeky scum play

You know, this is one of the main disadvantages of being an alt, it's also one of the points I don't want to argue against because this is an easy null tell based on meta. Hope that gives you a clue or something. At any point, this isn't a point why I'm scum.

tl;dr: No.

fun fact: I did this all in Quick Reply. expect something to be wrong and me not to have the good will to give a fuck about it.