Atomic Mafia (Over, the town is safe!)

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Wait why are we claiming atom?
Or compound?
I want to think about this before we go jumping.

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OF WHAT BENEFIT IS THIS TO TOWN?

Scum will be able to do a lot of damage if they can knock the carbons out of a large town atom and disassemble it or things like that.

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(assuming this works like actual chemistry, which I'm guessing isn't a horrible assumption)

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Yeah except we don't even know if role has ANY relation to alignment and the OP makes it sound like there isn't any at all.

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Letting scum know exactly how all compounds fit together seems like it just makes it easy for them to absolutely wreck town power with their abilities/nightkill.

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Yeah, the ONLY way knowing atoms is beneficial to town is that it helps us make cooler / stronger compounds, but I think the scum ability to mess things up at will is v. bad news for us.

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Do we think scum spread themselves out or some of them targeted each other?

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Scum presumably can daytalk to each other and presumably are already in a few compounds (assuming spreading-out). This, target-guessing, and element-knowledge would probably give them enough info to figure out what the remaining compounds are likely to be and crack up the all-town ones.

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Basically I think massclaiming trades letting scum wreck our PRs for minor (perhaps even zero if scum just decided to pick who they'd have picked anyway) alignment information.

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I don't think it actually changes that much.
People who are free agents will try and add on to different compounds, but once a compound gets 3 or 4 people they'll want to stay together.
So if there's a super town one scum will want to figure out the best way to wreck it.

I'm currently looking for scum. BS I think is town; Reck I think is scum.

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I do think if somebody made a compound with exceptionally town friendly powers (like everybody gets to cop track or vig or something) we might just want to copy it a lot, so that's worth considering.

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We want scum to shoot / otherwise screw with isolates though.
If the only way scum can be confident of shooting town power is to shoot inside their own compounds, that will get us someplace interesting as well.

I am pretty sure if I were scum and knew everyone's elements and some of the compounds puzzling out the rest would be straightforward.

And rushing headlong into claiming without thinking about it isn't good unless it's OBVIOUS that it's beneficial, which I certainly do not agree is the case here.

I do think if anybody is in a HOLY BALLS WE NEED MORE OF THESE THINGS compound then that might justify massclaiming atoms so we can make more of those things.

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Reck is scum because we haven't lynched scum and 23 minutes have elapsed.
Basically I'd have expected more from him than dropping some info and disappearing.
Friend is probably scum for not seeing that I'm obvtown yet.

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Spirituality makes a very good point I hadn't contemplated. See this is why I didn't want to rush.
If scum kill off all of one type of atom that leaves us pretty boned.

@BS: Maybe. I'm guessing 5-6 scum + an SK or a couple teams of 4ish.

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WHAT IS WITH ALL THIS "I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AT ALL BUT I'M FINE WITH CLAIMING."
ALSO MULTISCUMS WOULD MEAN SCUM HAVE WAY LESS INFORMATION SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON NOT TO MASSCLAIM.

Also Grey isn't here yet.
And if you've read much about me at all you'd know I care a lot about making sure town follows a good strategy according to game mechanics.

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Well I want to give it more thought before making a decision instead of OKAY GAMESTARTED MASSCLAIM GOGO.

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Here I think I yelled some about making sure town did lylo correctly.
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I talk a lot about game mechanicsy stuff in my team's team mafia QT.

Also we can not separate from a compound and join a new one the same night.
So compounds are not as fluid as somebody was saying. People who are in a good compound are v. unlikely to just leave.

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As I said. If the Scum quickly kill off the Oxygen and Nitrogen atoms, then the massclaim was a resounding success.
Also as I said. The Scum will probably have a verty good idea of 75% of the atoms after a handful of turns anyways.

Last I checked, a lot of power being in the game was a GOOD THING FOR TOWN.
And after a couple of turns is a significant portion of the game. Like if we have 3 carbons (v. important for making 5-compounds which are prob. good since I assume bigger = better) then letting scum shoot them all is BAD. Making scum take ~2-3 shots for each carbon hit is GOOD.

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Yeah, you could be town. Spirituality seems town for actually making sense.
Sens is irritatingly townish in spite of not making sense.

And yes, if you're relying on "OH LOOK ALL THE CARBONS THAT WERE GIVING US AWESOME POWERS ARE DEAD EXCEPT ONE LET'S LYNCH," you are
A. Giving up a lot for a little
B. Potentially HORRIBLY hamstringing town power for no benefit if there happened not to be any scum in that group, which really isn't too unlikely.

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Oh, awesome. So then instead we massclaim and all the Carbons are confirmed Town? Sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

This does not make sense of any kind.

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k so Luxury is scum, moving on

Yes.
VOTE: Luxury

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Stuff

Yeah, you could be town.

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Reck is scum because we haven't lynched scum and 23 minutes have elapsed.
Basically I'd have expected more from him than dropping some info and disappearing.
Friend is probably scum for not seeing that I'm obvtown yet.

Also that if you were wondering about why in the first place.

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Here I think I yelled some about making sure town did lylo correctly.
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I talk a lot about game mechanicsy stuff in my team's team mafia QT.

do you have any game where YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN USEFUL D1?

I was a major driver of D1 scumlynches in mini normals 1105, 1175, and 1156. Also Buffy mafia. Which is a quarter of my games.
So I think I'm useful when I bring my A game. It's true a lot of games I kind of take awhile to get revved up in though.
I dreamed that Glork had replaced into my compound and we caught all the scum together.

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Derp.
I do think if there's an AWESOME compound where everyone in it gets to vig or cop each night, it may be worth revealing some role info to make more of them.
Otherwise I think massclaiming will leave us somewhere near mountainous in a couple days.

Sens, I don't have anything against you personally I just strongly disagree with you on whether we should massclaim.
I don't even think you're scum.

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@DC:
It's not that abilities change, it's that compounds will change by additions or kills or shenanigans and ability is based on compound.

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Also, against Atom claiming because GreyMarble seems to think its SUCH a bad idea, (aka he knows its a GOOD idea for his team), and isn't really trying hard to stop it. He also posts as someone who has been thinking about this game QUITE a lot, which is a lot more likely to come from someone who just Night talked N0 for a long time. Grey would totally kill Nikanor too

Huh?
I seem to recall being the primary reason "let's massclaim go" didn't actually happen. Also doing some yelling about it.
And I think about game mechanics a lot in general. I like game mechanics. I'm one of those fucks who designs a D&D character that can kill a God via tentacular penetration in a single turn. And Grey hasn't even entered the game yet or said anything to me in a while.
And I'd totally have killed Reck or Fate or somebody else liable to have been targeted oodles of times for compounding.

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IS THIS JUST FANTASY

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NO ESCAPE FROM REALITY

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GreyMarble (1): Llamafluff

????

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Boom bang and burning sound similar.
Reading up

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Would indeed appreciate explanation of Greymarble vote.

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I put down my night action and haven't thought about the game for a few days. So I am reacquainting myself.

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VOTE: DGB

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Elli voted her, I read her ISO, and she looks like a scumbag.

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I guess I should just be associative tellhunting right now since lolmultiscum.

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Traitor shenanigans also possible I guess.
And yeah there is not much at all to asstell off of.

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VOTE: Chronopie
I think I like this one.

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Ah right.

Who the hell kills Nikanor N1? Thats just mean.

My guess? Benmage. I also peg him for spy's killer.

Didn't find much in the way of possible buddies, but he could be sk anyway.

Agreed with this before it was said towntell. Or at least notscumwithBenmagetell

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So does each member of HCN get a kill?

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So if scum have an H, a C and an N they're now going to want to join up and make a machine gun of doom?
We should have town machine guns of doom too.

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Oh I may be confirmed town hehehe

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Hm, smaller scumteams make me think scum would be trying harder to get power rather than worrying about finding/killing it, which means scum-scum connections...

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Anybody who killed scum doesn't get lynched today because we can rule out one team making them 50% as likely etc.

Unvote

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^ MOI + Amrun twinge

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Gah this game is pretty opaque to me right now. Especially because multiscums.
I should just go through and make a list of important things that were said, then after imbibing that read a few people and find a scum and lynch them.
Hehe my previous line sounded fake to me.
But yeah that's what I'm gonna do. Tomorrow.

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One head.
Also I am stalling champion. Seems like every game people make walls out of my stalls.
But I usually make myself obvtown and lynch lots of scum in the end.

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Hi.
Doing promised stuff now.

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DGB's town.

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MOI is kinda nuts.
Also MOIputer thing about should lynch off wagon 'cause scum on wagon died is only sort of true; 2/3 deaths on wagon flipping scum makes it more likely there are additional scum enough to about balance the 'there should be ~4 on wagon thing.
But yeah calling somebody lurkerscum when there are other lurkers is COMPLETELY reasonable.
As is not dying by virtue of being in a bulletproof compound.

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Reck is town because he said Thor tried to goad him.
He's awesome at scum though.

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Blargh Thor's posting reads pretty cleanly as scum now except AEIDNSVCSRENOIG and he's not on his counterwagon.

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YES.
VOTE: Friend
p. edit: He does have 'CAPSTOWN' towntell and ' I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT X' towntell but he isn't pushing lynches

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Gandalf is town.

So yeah I like Friend best out of what I've looked at thus far.
And DC was bothering me yesterday. They're in the blorg category that always seems to wind up having like 902234 scum.

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DC's town.

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VOTE: Reck
Also Amarap may be scumbuddy.

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Amarap's associative though and not a strong read at all.
But yeah Reck is scum.
I don't even know which color.
He calls Katsuki obvtown.
He calls Benmage "scum even when he's town" and then ignores him.
+ his posting is scumposting.

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Oh man, I forgot there were already a couple votes here!
Shows how engaged I've been with this game (welp).
WHEEEE
Expounding may happen later.

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DC, you're town in spite of what looks like Fate pretending to be SK arguing with Fate.
But Reck isn't.

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Friend at least sounds like he might flip scum, which would be cool.

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Huh. Caps + inb4 seemed like Fate posting style to me. Heh.

Also Reck's hammer is of the 'I am the most likely other wagon so DIE' variety, which I have done as scum but certainly not as town without deadline pressing.
Hammering people you think are town is simply something scum do a lot more than town.
I've done it myself as scum a couple times now for ballspoints and because I can just do it and play directly to wincon and get away with it since people 'derpa scum wouldn't be so blatant.'

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Hammering people you think are town is simply blatantly not playing to town wincon, which I think you would think you can get away with as scum.

You're also one of the only players with strong relational scumtells to Benmage/Kats. I'll go quote a few.

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All you said of Kats pre-kill:

Katsuki is town

Magna, Katsuki's obvtown. Off.

PREDIT: Don't get into a picture war with me.

All you said of Benmage pre-kill:

Ben is scum every game. Sometimes, he's even mafia.

Otherwise you ignored them pretty much entirely.
Associatively that puts you on a high tier of scumminess by itself.

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And your interaction with somebody (I think it was MOI but this was something I noticed a few days ago) reminds me a bit of the Fate-Reck busfest that made me uneasy about both of you from Lovers multiball.
I'll go dredge that up if I'm alive tomorrow I guess.

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Yeah it was MOI. I get some MOI+Reck scumteam vibes off of their spat.
MOI isn't really unlikely to be town if Reck's scum, but the possibility of their pairing is fairly strong.

And you calling scums town while otherwise ignoring them and HAMMERING SOMEBODY YOU THINK IS TOWN are significant.
Also you are not Hulksmashing, you're playing more like Lovers Multiball, where you were scum.
I don't see you SOLVING.
Also lack of towntells.
You've made excuses why you haven't been like you were in say Fates Mafia or Psychic mafia, but really that level of townness of playstyle is HARD to maintain.
Having made many excuses for not being obvtown myself and sometimes getting away with it, SHOE PUTTING SAYS YOU'RE SCUM.
Basically your play this game feels like me-scum in a lot of different ways.

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It's not a hard playstyle to maintain AS TOWN.

I read you and I didn't find things that made me go IF I LYNCH THIS GUY HE'LL PROBABLY FLIP TOWN that I usually find when ISOing townies.
That is unquestionably a reason to think you're scum, and I don't care if you agree because the crowd should.

The callemtown->ignore and the "X is scum even as town" WITHOUT FURTHER INTERACTION are both common ways scum deal with buddies.

Regarding excuses for hammering a townread you sound EXACTLY like me-scum in ongoing-but-I'm-dead. EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY

I dunno what you're talking about hammer-avoiding.

And WHY THE HELL WOULD I BE TWISTING? EVEN IF I WAS SCUM I'D BE TRYING TO FIND OTHER SCUMS.

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My god I just remembered GreyMarble is SCUM. HOW COULD I FORGET HES SO SCUM JESUS

Wut??

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Actually I just ISOed myself and it seems I'm not obvtown this game.
Whatever, I'll get there.

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Why do you think Reck is town?

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Grey hasn't been super active in our last couple of games.
Also Elli since when could Reck shoot things.
And why do you want me vigged?