TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[Junpei]

1) Nero when I said confirmed I didn't mean literally confirmed. Zinger said "OH, how am I LITERALLY confirmed scum?" to which I basically said " you aren't confirmed you scum you're most likely scum". How doesn't that make sense to you? He was pretty much confirmed in my eyes by how scummy he was. You are misinterpreting the whole situation.

2) yes

3) Well DX kind of touched on it in that I was referring to yesterday as well, but not specific to the silver lynch. I'm talking about people voting blindly without stating reasoning in general, so while yes it does apply to the last day, it applies to mafia in a universal sense.

[Junpei]

@people who are confused at the fact that I chose Vezok, I'm fine with answering any questions regarding it.

[Junpei]

@people who are confused at the fact that I chose Vezok, I'm fine with answering any questions regarding it.

I have only 1 question. Have you played with vezok before?

No sir, I had no meta behind my reasoning for choosing Vezok anyway.

[Junpei]

ThAdmiral I have mentioned things that andrew and ZeL1nK have done day 1 and day 2 has just started. I've done nothing so far but try to explain my track on vezok so saying that I'm not exploring other options is idiocy as there has been no time.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3293309

Andrew respond to this post as they are all important points of you saying things that make no sense.

[Junpei]

I don't like this post. Yes the case on him exists, and it's very merit-able. But I'd consider voting him for this bit alone. Considering how suspicious everyone finds him, I feel he's harboring his vote by placing it on Nero. With the classic, "Just following my D1 play!" as his sole excuse.

Why do you single out Silver?

ThAdmiral doing it
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3306413

Hiplop doing it
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3306566

Rodion doing it
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3306594

Leonshade picking up on his list from yesterday
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3306984

Pappums post has nothing to do with Chevre, but votes her from voting her day 1
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3307108

drmyshotty doing it
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p3309514

The only people with reasoning behind votes (well, new reasoning presented today) is Rainbowdash and Castle Bravo.

[Junpei]

Killerjester your post strikes me as the following:

I proved your point wrong
You then said that for some unclaimed reason, Silver's action was scummier than the rest or that since silver had pressure his was the only one worth talking about.
This means that you NOTICED that others were doing this and still decided to only post silver's
This shows that you were intentionally making silver look worse than he is
This shows conflict of interest (not trying to lynch scum just trying to lynch silver who may or may not be scum)
Then spins post to say that I am discrediting the wagon.

I am not discrediting the wagon I am discrediting what you said. Not all those posts were on the same person.

[Junpei]

Banshee I was a little suspicious of Vezok prior to my reread, however not as much as a few others (and I expressed this), so if scum was likely to redirect or something it probably wouldn't have been on Vezok. I did not read everyone, I told you I had little time. I looked over my list of players, quickly made the notes I made earlier, and skimmed my old thoughts on the players. But really it came down to me reading VEzok ISO and going "damn, this could be it". It was rushed and... had a little bit of gut...(I hate gut so I'm embarrassed to say this as it contradicts my belief in logic but alas I had no time).

No I don't think Vezok is most likely to be scum. Hydras are fucking me though as Silver and ThreeIsFrench(now hipaddict) and ZeL1nK are the three top people I find scummy, so Vezok didn't top the list by any means.

No no reason to suspect redirect other than I'm preparing for all possibilities.

Well I mentioned him off to the side as to show that I did suspect him during the day (Which is what the list was of) but that he wasn't someone who was a track option. Besides, you know that if I hadn't included Zinger it would have been "junpei you're distancing yourself from the previous mislynch by not including zinger on people who you suspected day 1".

[Junpei]

The target being confused means nothing, the target isn't me and the target has made no direct inquiries more specific then "why me?" which I have already answered. Tracking the vig claim is ludicrous, if he is mafia then he just claims he shot the guy with a vigil shot.

[Junpei]

Killerjester your post strikes me as the following:

I proved your point wrong
You then said that for some unclaimed reason, Silver's action was scummier than the rest or that since silver had pressure his was the only one worth talking about.
This means that you NOTICED that others were doing this and still decided to only post silver's
This shows that you were intentionally making silver look worse than he is
This shows conflict of interest (not trying to lynch scum just trying to lynch silver who may or may not be scum)
Then spins post to say that I am discrediting the wagon.

I am not discrediting the wagon I am discrediting what you said. Not all those posts were on the same person.

Do you not see why silver is scummier than the rest of the people who's strategy he sheeped?

reiterate please I don't understand this post

[Junpei]

VOTE: Silver

He should have been lynched yesterday. Also, on a separate note given the amount of activity we've decided to keep things brief. If we are tired of reading crap, we are sure there are others who are tired of reading it too.

I read this as "We are lazy so I'm sure everyone else is and yeah basically we don't want to give reasoning or any other thoughts than our vote so yeah ok?" Nice excuse but no.

Pinky, I had forgotten about the track report after I read responses, I was just answering and responding to them. Then you brought it up and I said what I would have said anyway.

Also I've explained why Andrew is scummy multiple times and andrew still hasn't responded.

[Junpei]

Ugh, fuck sorry for double post.

But david I would also like to know if he feels that it was scummy for andrew to recruit that person or not. Try not to go into detail if you aren't going to announce who it is but give us your general opinion on the matter.

[Junpei]

Holy shit. Nero I don't know if you are this dense or you're faking but I am going to go through and explain to you for one LAST time why you're wrong and I am right.

1) I was saying that he was confirmed non-town in that imo there was no way he'd flip town. That's from a scumhunting standpoint, obviously I cannot literally know that there is a 100% chance unless I was daycop which I wasn't as shown by my TRACKER claim. Stop taking things literally when they weren't meant that way.

2)

@Zinger:

If Junpei is wrong for being "allknowing" and incessantly insisting that you are scum, is ZeL1nk wrong for incessantly insisting that you are town?

I didn't notice that ZeL1nK was so incessantly insisting that I was town. I believe he thinks I am town, but I do not think he is as '100% sure' as JLunpei seems to be about my scum status.

However, if ZeL1nK did indeed insist that I am guaranteed town, this would be equally erroneous because he has no way of knowing that for sure.

I am town though.

Here is where Zinger implies that there is no way that I could be "100% sure" that he is scum unless I was scum. This is what prompted me to go on about how I wasn't really 100% sure just that I was using that figuratively. I never meant it was literally 100%, I'm not god jesus christ this is the third time I have told you this, hopefully this quote will persuade you to my point.

3) I wasn't defending Silver, I was pointing out how killerjester didn't properly evaluate the situation at all and hid information to make his point.

4) I don't give a fuck if you think Silver is scum if you can't back it up with reasoning. I don't like people swooping in and going "ok yea so silver was #2 yestaday so GOGOGOOGOGOGOGO".

5) THE DAY HAD JUST STARTED HOLY SHIT HOW AM I EXPECTED TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS WHEN MOST PEOPLE HAVEN'T POSTED YET? I was pointing out that instead of hastling to vote yesterdays' number 2 that we should calm the fuck down and take a step back and look at everything as a whole. And

continue to scumhunt instead of living in what happened yesterday without being aware of what is being said today

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[Junpei]

A few things I should respond to, but I don't know if I should. Rodion I'm done discussing with you as you're a blundering idiot that makes me contemplate suicide when you constantly ignore what I said. END OF SUBJECT I'M DONE.

Andrew... ugh I'm almost done with this logic line too, Between you and silver there are probably 2 scum.

1) YOU SAID WAFFLING. Jesus, not that he said he'd do something and didn't. In fact, he didn't say that he'd do anything in that post at all. This response post by you is scummier than if you had said "I'll tell you tonight in mafia chat, Silver".

2) bullshit, you never implied anywhere anything about the very next PR claim, or the next PR claim in general. Scum points.

3) That is the most idiotic question I've ever heard. That's saying "HEY GUYS U KNO DAT GUY U PUT ON L-2 ND SHIT WEL IF HE SED SOMETHIN AND IT WAS PROOOFED WONG BAI VEZOK WEL WOULD YOU LYNCH VEZOK HUE?." If Vezok came out and said my report was wrong there is no doubt in my mind I'd be insta-lynched. The good news is that Vezok would be the next day.

Andrew don't even bother responding if you aren't serious about it, god.

Also I see the reasoning behind silver. I am not defending him in any way. That post to killerjester was to point out how he was hiding info. It was a "hey that's scummy" post. Only difference is unlike some people I explained WHY it was scummy. I find silver's gambit and post-gambit posts very scummy. To me it is up to Silver and andrew94 for the moment.

vote andrew94

[Junpei]

Just to point out, in post 1587 killerjester unvotes when he had no vote up to begin with. Could mean a lot of things, just pointing it out for others to see in case they missed it.

[Junpei]

I think that it is scummy that silver asks for a typed out investigation of his ISO that will provide no new evidence. It doesn't seem to make any sense as to why it should matter much at all to silver is what I'm saying, if he's town. Silver you should be scum hunting, discussing cases against you is a passive thing not an active thing. Prove you are town with future actions, not endless debate over the past that you won't win.

@Meransiel, why wouldn't they want to neighborize MoI?

[Junpei]

junpei seriously. hes first post. he just made a general statement that looked like he was doing something when he was not. that so hard to get?

1) YOU SAID WAFFLING. Jesus, not that he said he'd do something and didn't. In fact, he didn't say that he'd do anything in that post at all. This response post by you is scummier than if you had said "I'll tell you tonight in mafia chat, Silver".

im pretty sure i was attempting to say next time someone claims pr.

2) bullshit, you never implied anywhere anything about the very next PR claim, or the next PR claim in general. Scum points.

Junpei, your post 1527, where u find all these examples. i notice you missed out thadmiral and some others who did the same thing

2.5(I am adding this one): Bull fucking shit. I mentioned thadmiral, who did I miss?

@everyone you know how you demanded junpei's track. and he said vezok. what if vezok said he did go somewhere. who would you believe.

3) That is the most idiotic question I've ever heard. That's saying "HEY GUYS U KNO DAT GUY U PUT ON L-2 ND SHIT WEL IF HE SED SOMETHIN AND IT WAS PROOOFED WONG BAI VEZOK WEL WOULD YOU LYNCH VEZOK HUE?." If Vezok came out and said my report was wrong there is no doubt in my mind I'd be insta-lynched. The good news is that Vezok would be the next day.

NOW YOU KNOW.

You better not take 24 hours to respond, scum.

[Junpei]

Also you don't log on once a day andrew. Or if you do you certainly don't post in the thread once a day. A quick look of your ISO shows this.

[Junpei]

Did you shoot at all?

[Junpei]

I agree with Hipaddict1, you are obligated to tell town who/if you shot, it is important information.

[Junpei]

I agree with Hipaddict1, you are obligated to tell town who/if you shot, it is important information.

No, he's not. Unless someone has been at the precipice of being lynched (L-1) there is NO obligation for them to post any possible Night actions.

It tells us

1) Who was protected last night

2) If not 1 then a possible self-protection ability

3) He may have not shot which would be interesting

4) Hearing his logic on why he shot who he shot is good for scum hunting, especially since he obviously is expecting not to announce it.

[Junpei]

For clarity, 1 and 2 allow someone to confirm Zel1nK from their point of view, which is nice. Especially since in 1 it'd be a protective role. Of course when I say confirm I mean mostly confirm, but it is definitely helpful.

[Junpei]

You want ZeL1nK to give out more information than he has to AND the protective role to come out and confirm he's telling the truth?

For what? Two mostly-confirmed town?

No I don't want the protective role to come out. He'd be confirmed to the protective role as a killing role.

[Junpei]

I've looked over this again, and with MoI's info, I think that andrew is scummier than silver.

VOTE: andrew

I find this post scummy as he just says "yeah I agree, VOTE".

I've looked over this again, and with MoI's info, I think that andrew is scummier than silver.

VOTE: andrew

How? I just don't see how Andrew is that scummy. He is bad yes, but he's not scummy,

I don't mind spelling it out again (Actually I do, but I'll do it anyway) if you will listen. Alternatively you could see what I've been discussing with andrew and all my points in said argument. I spell it out quite cleanly.

[Junpei]

I've looked over this again, and with MoI's info, I think that andrew is scummier than silver.

VOTE: andrew

I find this post scummy as he just says "yeah I agree, VOTE".

And then you remember he's a neighbor. He looked at MoI's point of view, and he sees andrew in the same light. What else SHOULD he say?

I find it scummy to pick on such an easy target.

Ahem. I forgot that easy targets are always town targets and that I should only ever "pick on" hard targets. Don't be ludicrous.

Izak should have at least said a couple sentences of how/why it changed his opinion on the matter. He never went into detail on his silver read pretty much agreeing with what others said. So this would have been a great time to state his opinion on BOTH lynches.

[Junpei]

No one else regularly goes into detail on every read they get, I didn't expect you to want me to. But this is now a derail so unless you see some purpose to this conversation(articulate it if you do) then we should cease.

[Junpei]

ALIGNMENTS ARE RANDOMIZED YOU FUCKS. That means that there can damn well be two Town Neighborizers. Hell, there could be two mafia neighborizers.

unvote, Vote: izak

More likely scum than Silver imo.

Wait... wha...

You mean that the alignments were decided AFTER the roleset was made...? I don't understand I thought that a setup was made knowing which roles were mafi and which were town pregame (from mod's pov) but you're saying all roles could be any alignment in pregame and are randomized?

Cite your source!

[Junpei]

Rodion, what did you learn from that convo with Banshee?

[Junpei]

Please explain how giving yourself up as a martyr is productive to Town.

To me, that's a mislynch, which means one less lynch used to actually hunt Scum, unless you are Scum, in which case you're getting yourself lynched for no reason, thereby hurting your team's chances, thereby not playing to your wincon.

this

There was nothing day 1 that should have made you so very confident that Zinger was indeed JK if you're VT.

[Junpei]

It's called playing with and to extents being a fracking VI.

If Zinger was third party he could still be helpful.
If Zinger was scum he would not. A few people including myself were quite sure this was not the case and this was explained.
Simply put there was VERY little motivation for Zinger to claim third party and then switch it to town AS SCUM.

-Jun

There was nothing day 1 that should have made you so very confident that Zinger was indeed JK if you're VT.

What's the difference if I'm a VT or another town role?

--
I am again going to ask what the productiveness of this convo is... if you don't answer I'm moving my vote to you.

A cop serving himself up instead of Zinger would have been ridiculous even in theory and if a cop claim had done that we'd lynch him.

The point of this conversation is to investigate your d1 martyr action and determine if it was a town or scum thing to do. It is a very big point in the case against you and so far you've done nothing to show that you were so sure of Zinger.

Tell me silver in the posts you made after the martyr move, the posts where Zinger had gotten more votes, why didn't you acknowledge this fact and try to push the lynch onto yourself?

[Junpei]

Actually I'm going to

vote silver

My reasoning is that andrew's neighborhood would do good to get 1 or 2 more people in it (not sure if he's recruited today or not yet) and we know his role. However if silver is scum we don't know his scumrole so it'd be more dangerous to leave him alive.

For the record, yes this means that I find them similar in that they both possess a lot of scumminess, I do find andrew more scummy however my above logic makes me decide to vote silver.

[Junpei]

Nero, I wasn't trying to discredit the wagon, I was discrediting what Killerjester said. I thought it was scummy of killerjester to exclude those people.

Tell me nero do you think my post was wrong and that Killerjester wasn't intentionally hiding information? I think I proved in that post, and with his later post where he says that he did notice all the other identical votes but didn't feel they were as important that he did.

silver, 1 role has zero actions or other modifiers, one does. Is that seriously what you meant to ask?

@Rainbow softclaiming PR with inno on you is so stupid. The other thing he is claiming is masongroup with you and that is obvious to everyone who is reading it. Or perhaps he just meant you were really town to him via scumhunting. Not every read is from a report/mechanic.

[Junpei]

@Jun I have no clue what you mean by "hiding information" Did you mean he was being selective about it? Sure I can see that. But it was early and there was nothing but yesterdays 50+ pages to go on. What were they supposed to vote on?

That isn't the point, Nero.

Killerjester said that Silver's post was scummy because he was harboring his vote on you using the ol "follow up from day 1" as his sole excuse. However I pointed out to him that six others have done the same thing! To which killerjester replied...

I felt, following his play all game, his was the most condemning. Why are you discrediting silver's wagon so hard?

He felt his was the MOST condemning. That means that he knew of the six other cases and still decided not to point them out. The reason was to lynch silver, to make silver look worse than he is. I think silver is scum, I think we should lynch silver, but that is beside the point. Killerjester hid information intentionally to make his target lynch look good. This makes me less suspect Silver but given the possibility of more than 2 factions perhaps not so much.

[Junpei]

@Rainbow softclaiming PR with inno on you is so stupid. The other thing he is claiming is masongroup with you and that is obvious to everyone who is reading it. Or perhaps he just meant you were really town to him via scumhunting. Not every read is from a report/mechanic.

If he doesn't want to go into it, and there is no need for him to go into it, people aren't going to force him to go into it. That means drop it.

What is your current thoughts on oversoul?

Well I thought that his being open to us and legitimate to us about why he wasn't posting was a town tell. But it seems even now he isn't posting and is refusing to comment on this game. I did like some of his posting earlier too but it has come to "im here guys dw" and that is bad. So my read for him has turned to scummy as he isn't following up with what he said and refuses to comment on the current game.

[Junpei]

He felt his was the MOST condemning. That means that he knew of the six other cases and still decided not to point them out. The reason was to lynch silver, to make silver look worse than he is. I think silver is scum, I think we should lynch silver, but that is beside the point. Killerjester hid information intentionally to make his target lynch look good. This makes me less suspect Silver but given the possibility of more than 2 factions perhaps not so much.

I did not misrepresent Silver's actions in any way.

In comparison to everyone else's actions yes you did. You made it seem like he was the only one doing it which would bring emphasis to the tell, whereas if you had said that seven people had been doing it then it wouldn't look like such a cool little scumtell.

Vezok I would but it would be biased as fuck, you're better off reading a little, MoI claimed that andrew was neighborizer though and silver confirmed his VT claim are the two biggest events.

[Junpei]

Oh and chkballin claimed to have been neighborized by someone other than andrew.

[Junpei]

In comparison to everyone else's actions yes you did. You made it seem like he was the only one doing it which would bring emphasis to the tell, whereas if you had said that seven people had been doing it then it wouldn't look like such a cool little scumtell.

I never said he was the only one doing it. Every point I mentioned was valid. The fact that other players were doing it too doesn't make it any less of a scumtell.

Let me walk you through it one more time. *note that I am saying this not for killerjester but for others reading, it is pointless to argue this with him but not to discuss with others*

order of events

-noticed 7 people were voting purely for continuation of d1
-noticed silver was 1 of them
- only pointed out silver

The fact that you only pointed out silver is hiding information, it is propaganda to make your lynch look better, ugh surely I'm not the only one who gets this, David? Silver? Anyone?

It doesn't matter if his tell is viable or not all that matters is that out of the seven people doing it he only pointed out silver.

[Junpei]

ugh surely I'm not the only one who gets this, David? Silver? Anyone?

If at least one other person agrees I was attempting to "hide information" in my "propaganda" against silver in this post then I'll take you seriously.

You're stretching at best, and I don't see why.

Deal, everyone please comment on my thoughts of this post!

[Junpei]

Silver you are one of the people who haven't answered yet... Was killerjester hiding information etc?

[Junpei]

Apologies thought I did.

but to me not really... just seems more like a case of tunneling

Yes he is tunneling I agree, but that doesn't directly correlate to what I was saying.

[Junpei]

Don't give yourself such credit, if I was at all inclined to want your lynch I'd vote for you. I think you're a VI, a particularly stupid one at that, which leaves me inclined to think "If he was Scum, his team would have told him to wind his neck in by now.".

So I frankly couldn't care less if you want to ignore me, I'm sure it will be bliss, not having to deal with your inane arguments.

Junpei > I can see where you're coming from.. I do agree that it seems weird he brought that up to the exclusion of other examples, but in this instance, Silver was the most recent example (Other than Shotty, but he pulled up Shotty for something in the same post, and I'd argue the implications apply to both), and was likely the one that drew KJ's attention.

No I think that drmyshotty portion was referring to the post restriction.

Also you do know that he had his attention on all of the instances right? He later says that he knew about the other instances of this happening but felt that silvers was.. hold on lemme grab the quote...

I felt, following his play all game, his was the most condemning. Why are you discrediting silver's wagon so hard?

his was the most condemning of all my examples. Also notice "felt" meaning past tense and implying to the post I was responding to. Ergo he saw every example I showed prior to posting the post about Silver and yet he still didn't even mention them. Most condemning? Yeah it sure is when you only mention it.

[Junpei]

Hmm.. I must admit I overlooked that. That's.. a very good catch. KJ, can you define your stance on Silver? In honesty, in my fatigued state, I'm seeing you both saying that Town Silver wouldn't do this, and that Town Silver would do this because he's done it before.. humour me and clarify please.

*If the English doesn't make sense, read it in Yoda's voice and pretend it was funny, or send me caffiene.

Go to sleep and come back tomorrow

But if that is directed at me somehow, I am not saying town silver wouldn't do this. But I'm also not saying that he would. Simply put, I have no meta background on silver that pertains to this.

[Junpei]

Uh, did he agree with me? I don't know if he did after reading his posts I'm still confused and if so your post clarified nothing for me.

If not, then we'll continue to wait for 1 person to agree I guess.

[Junpei]

Ugh, sorry for double post, but isn't it obvious that out of 23 people at least 1 person will agree with me? It seems silly to make us wait for a serious response.

[Junpei]

I see your logic but.... silver and andrew.... Do we really have three scum here? Almost seems too good to be true.

[Junpei]

I'm sorry rodion but you still haven't told me what you learned from the Banshee conversation. Although this conversation with Castle Bravo seems like a pointless road to go down the thread is slow recently anyways and I have not much to add so I won't stop you from talking.

I will say that when Castle Bravo responded with "yes" and then called you out on not knowing what that meant as if it were a scumtell, it felt very much like scum leading you on.

[Junpei]

I'm sorry rodion but you still haven't told me what you learned from the Banshee conversation. Although this conversation with Castle Bravo seems like a pointless road to go down the thread is slow recently anyways and I have not much to add so I won't stop you from talking.

I will say that when Castle Bravo responded with "yes" and then called you out on not knowing what that meant as if it were a scumtell, it felt very much like scum leading you on.

What I learned from my interaction with Banshee.

1 - She will not fight clearly lost battles.

Proof: she told me I parroted PLJ and I gave proof that my post happened before PLJ's. Banshee did not reply to that.

but your proof for number 2...

2 - She will not admit defeat either.

Proof: when I asked why she didn't reply to the parroting accusation, she said it was due to lack of time, not due to being wrong.

So it wasn't that she wouldn't fight it is that she couldn't fight. It appears to me that you are going from point A or point B without looking for a possible point C inbetween.

3 - She will accuse and refuse to explain. This means either that:

a) she is sure she can get a majority to lynch me without explaining because the majority of the players here can see how obvious of a scumtell that is

wow, you learned a ton. Also it is heavily biased to say without explaining. Although I don't think she has explained as much as I'd like, I see why she thinks you're scummy.

b) she will not fight clearly lost battles, nor admit defeat (as can be seen in #1 and #2)

repeat of 1 and 2, shouldn't even be here

Proof:

This reads as if you're requesting that I explain the scumtell I detected in your posts. I'm not going to tell you that. Ask me after the game.

Proof of what? This is exactly what you were talking about in number 4!

4 - She's smart enough to get her own "touchés". She actually made me slightly evolve as a player here.

Yeah, I guess that's true, she's smart enough to know this fact, I assume that people are capable until they prove otherwise but maybe you don't. Interesting point I guess.

Proof:

Why would you warn people not to do things that might be perceived as scummy? What if they ARE scum? Why would you be so certain that they are not?

5 - She will exploit those "argument victories" while trying to sweep her "argument losses" under the carpet. Shows lack of coherence.

Biased as all hell. I will say yes she did take time to question you on MoI/Vifam. She wasn't here for that but I think that it is scummy that she unearthed something bad you did, but when you think about it now it isn't in perspective. She was trying to prove that you're mafia, and part of doing that was showing what you did earlier that was bad.

Proof: she took the time to continue questioning me on my MoI/Vifam "warning" after I conceded that I made a suboptimal move, the same time she didn't have to concede defeat on the parroting accusation.

6 - She got me to understand a little about (non-scummy) reasons on why a hydra conceals their identity. I'm not sure how serious/often this internet harassing thing is, but I'll not take my chances and just change my position towards more leniency when dealing with concealed hydras/alts (yes, it was a huge AtE on her part, but I'll buy it).

A viable reason for someone to hide their identity is if they are being stalked or otherwise harassed online. And that, as I said previously, wouldn't be any of your business, would it?

Basically I think you did the following

1) Mindlessly argued with Banshee because you're scum and you argue with town over anything. She was accusing you so you just decided to defend and never think "huh, maybe I shouldn't argue with someone over my scumminess forever and just stick to scumhuntin, I'll ignore her for now as since I've been scum hunting I've found some useful tid bits and tells". Note that this post implies you're scum, as I got shit for calling zinger 100% scum, I think you're scum now, I don't know it.

2) Didn't take notes on the conversation, as I said the conversation didn't have the meaning of understanding and reading Banshee for you.

3) Got asked by me to explain

4) Forgot about it (had no notes anyways, you panicked and just ignored it for a bit, then ended up not ever making anything up)

5) Finally we are at the now. You made up this post on the fly about things you noted from Banshee. We know this because you contradict yourself and repeat yourself more than you should. See citations for more details.

[Junpei]

Ok I'm kind of in limited access and have a few pages to read but I'll do my best here.

I'm pretty sure andrew's scumminess has been discussed already, and there is very little to add to that discussion.

Thinking on it, I get some scummish vibes off of Rodion, but I'm not confident of this read.

silver is my second choice for today's lynch.

I will have to re-read sometime for more reads.

Your support in a lynch means nothing if you don't post more actual content.

Allow me to recap:

I think andrew, rodion, silver are scummy (those are the top 3 suspects today. anything else to add? lets find out) and i'm on v/la kinda sorta. (beautiful).

[Junpei]

Rodion you state that Banshee won't fight "clearly lost" battles. However you cited a post where Banshee essentially says that it wasn't that she won't fight that battle, but she physically couldn't respond timely at all. ergo, couldn't, not wouldn't

Responding quickly to hopefully get a quick answer to this point.

[Junpei]

Ugh. Rodion once again you are ignoring my simple basic LINEAR logic. This is the last time once again I will post anything regarding this particular debate.

You said in your thread that she WOULDN'T defend herself when indeed the reason she didn't respond was because she COULDN'T defend the argument as said because there wasn't enough time to. You articulated this for me very clearly in your post.

Also if you know you're right and she refuses to acknowledge that, you do what I do and drop it, others will recognize the logic if it comes up again. Scumhunting is more important anyway.

[Junpei]

I did miss your answer, and I apologise.

This game has been filled with people saying "_________ is town! 100% town. Guaranteed town!" in response to the cases made by others and with no explanations or responses when questioned on that. By no stretch of the imagination could Zinger's play be considered pro-town or understandable town play. I challenge anyone who will argue that it should have been obvious that he was a pro-town role based on his play; I accept that others may have seen things I didn't, but it wasn't OBVIOUS. And, as a result, you're getting people who are accusing other people of being scum based on their insistent and unexplained identification of various people as town without good justification and without actually addressing the case against those people.

tl;dr: People who insist that others are town without giving reasons look like scum trying for town-cred. I don't understand why Rodion is getting a full free pass while others are being nailed up for what I think is the same behaviour.

1) Stop acting like you're so much more intelligent and aware than us and that you would have been able to provide concrete posts that had shown Zinger was town.

2) You replaced in AFTER zinger flipped, that's why it's obvious to you.

Banshee, he isn't getting a free pass. There are so many people doing incredibly scummy pushes/posts that we can't pressure them all, it is simply impossible.

[Junpei]

Top 3 would be in order:

Andrew
Silver
Zel1nK

I don't want to have to write up reasons why on all of them when I've articulated each of them already.

Yes i see the reasons for the other sixteen thousand scummy people, but there are too many lynch targets that look like scum. Note that I'm voting silver because Andrew if scum is very likely neighborizer, which isn't nearly as dangerous as whatever silver might be.

[Junpei]

I never said they were a scum team Peregrine, they are just the scummiest people in the game in my opinion. I can't form a scum team based on connection logic at this point.

Also how about giving a real set of reads like David and I did back in day 1?

[Junpei]

Meranseil, I don't really know what his case is. However I think I know why you find his post scummy (I believe his case is that you didn't explain this ergo scum? It's really confusing the way it's worded). But in that post Rodion does a few things.

I cut out the large chunk where he talks about his meta

Zinger is getting under my skin. His behaviour so far has been very anti-town, but I don't know if he's scum-aligned. My vote is on him to hopefully change his behaviour for the better. I could just as easily vote Meran, particularly after his #400 admission that he will contribute if pushed hard.

The first is he waffles "Zingers play is anti-town but I don't know if he is scum-aligned" to me sounds like he is saying zinger is scummy but he doesn't know if he's scum, which is waffling.

Then says that his vote is to hopefully change his behavior for the better. There are two things wrong with this.

1) In my opinion saying that your vote is put down for a specific purpose is a scum trying to get towncred. It was too early to say this anyway because Zinger had 3 posts between Rodion's vote and this post by Rodion so it is far too early to disclose why you voted as any effect it may have had on him is now gone and replaced with him thinking that you're being condescending. It isn't like Rodion's vote was going to turn on a switch, rather he should be hoping for a slow turn in Zingers "anti-town" play into a more "acceptable" tone for Rodion. So it goes back to 1 this post being just for towncred.

2) The original vote on Zinger was "for not answer [rodion's] request in #325", and post 325 reiterates a request from 200 which states that Rodion wants the game linked that shows bad blood between the hydra ZeL1nK and Zinger. First of all I see no reason why he'd want this so badly, as all it will do is unearth the hatred even more and start discussion regarding it that doesn't need to be made. So it is a bad request especially after ignored by Zinger the first time. However the fact that he later says it was to change Zingers' attitude and then discloses said motive in less than 24 hours (about 13-14 hours to be precise) contradicts this theory. There's no way zinger would change his behavior that fast.

SO this is my scum read on Rodion from that post which is what I think he was confused on. But I still am not sure what Rodion wants. Meranseil however I haven't really read his whole case on you at all to memory (looked at it when it was posted, never really thought much about it) I will read it tomorrow if you persist, however I think that this scummy post is the most useful piece of information I'd garner from it.

[Junpei]

Nero what about Andrew? i noticed you haven't commented on that whole situation going on with the neighbors.

[Junpei]

Is noone else noting the obstinancy of Peregrine, refusing to actually give opinions or reads?

Getting anything out of him appears to be akin to pulling teeth, and refusal to actually condense reads into a clear post reeks of avoidance for me, trying to force anyone reading into his opinions, past and present, to dig through every damn post looking for the snippets of actual information on his stance..

I noted it yes. There are too many people doing things I consider scummy, I think though that Peregrine is trying to become a pillar of conversation by doing reads in this way, not sure if it's a scumtell or a towntell though.

[Junpei]

What's pro-town about hiding all his reads in the middle of posts? It gives me the impression of squirreling away his opinions so that if he's wrong, noone can pull them out and call him on them..

I honestly don't know his reads because when I read his posts I was sort of confused on what he was saying. Actually this may sound kind of weird asking another player to do this instead of asking Peregrine, but could you summarize his posts for me &.&.

I see he has a few people null or something so I think he's just waffling a bunch but the thing is I don't really see where he posted his reads. And now that I reread his ISO I see that he actually has done hardly more than waffle on reads and ask questions. But I may have missed a read so if so someone tell me.

[Junpei]

That's pretty much what I thought I saw but you missed where he says "David X: null".

And again Peregrine dodges the demands to give his reads on people, and tries to demand reads from others.

That's anti-town if not outright scummy.

UNVOTE: Andrew
VOTE: Peregrine

Reads. You've been dodging this and fence sitting for far too long. You have no right to demand of others what you yourself have provided sweet F.A of.

Reads: DavidX: null

[Junpei]

A SLIGHT TOWN READ OH MY GOD HOLY LOGIC BATMAN (did I do it right?)

Elaborate on why

[Junpei]

David X-Jun link found.

Way to avoid the request.

[Junpei]

Are you crazy Rainbowdash?

I have already expressed my strong desire to lynch Silver and Andrew.

But I see what you mean about the thread getting clogged... and I'm sorry its just that I'm not used to having to worry about space filling up and having to trim down discussion because of it. I wish others didn't mind but I guess they do. We were just discussing other reads...

[Junpei]

Your way, we go into D3 with a lot less information. That's a bad thing. Your way, we're relying too much on the Night game. We have deadlines for a reason, and we're nowhere near ours.

Too much information does exist and we are kicking that wall down right now. We need a lynch, we need a night phase. Which of Silver, Andrew and Izak is scummiest and why?

Andrew for reasons stated but silver is a close second for reasons stated. However scum andrew is simply neighborizer whereas scum silver may be something better.

[Junpei]

Ok. I will try to say this plainly so you all get the point.

There are 2 kinds of mafia:

1. Without daytalk.
2. With daytalk.

This affects various parameters, one of which is, how a mafia neighborizer would act.

1. In case 1: Obviously, he would play it safe and neighborize HIS OWN TEAM. Which means that if andrew is scum then MoI is scum. Which is a massive leap that I will not make.
2. In case 2: Only benefit of neighborizing would be to get people to trust you well enough that you may get role information from them. MoI is not that kind of person.

That being said, and because you guys apparently don't care about shotty for some apparent reason,

VOTE: Silver

Andrew is not dying. I don't want to not be able to stop another mislynch like yesterday, feels like my fault anyway.

I understand your logic perfectly except for the fact that Andrew, if he's town, would be a VI. In no uncertain terms, Andrew is not someone guaranteed to take the smartest route when doing anything in this game.

[Junpei]

@Banshee: That is exactly what I think, yes. Also, don't bother with izak. Rather, ISO Rodion. Hint hint.

You realise my main case has been on Rodion since I entered the game, right?

ThatsTheJoke.jpg

Also third party neighborizer is out of the question right? Sounds like a lame role to have but is something to think about?

[Junpei]

You, I thought you were being condescending, may have just been my attitude when I read it in my head though, when Thadmiral said what he said shortly after I got a little embarrassed because I thought that I overreacted. My apologies.

Also, is it fair to say that in the event there is at least 1 scum neighborizer, at the very least that scum faction has day talk? seems to be the only thing that makes sense right? Why have scum have neighborizer and no day talk?

[Junpei]

Unvote.
Vote: Oversoul

Someone suggested an ISO on him, so I did.

Nice once again not explaining anything.

Anyways, people I'll lynch now.

Silver
Andrew
PeregrineV
Izak
Oversoul

There are other scummy people but those top the list.

[Junpei]

Your way, we go into D3 with a lot less information. That's a bad thing. Your way, we're relying too much on the Night game. We have deadlines for a reason, and we're nowhere near ours.

The reason for having a deadline is so that people cant do exactly what you are asking for (keep on blathering up a shitstorm and not getting anything done). Once a town has decided on someone to lynch, they need to lynch that person and move on with the knowledge of the flip. Talking nonstop and for pages and pages is bad for town, as it is unfocused and counter-productive.

Since Chevre flaked out, I will

unvote
Vote: Izak

You are aware that as it stands the two largest wagons are Silver and Andrew correct? Yet you vote for Izak. I thought your post implied we should end the day relatively soon? That vote won't do it.

[Junpei]

You forgot B.2: Find other keep scum hunting without tunnel vision and B.3: If you find someone you'd rather lynch, go for them, and B.4: Be willing to be persuaded.

[Junpei]

Would anyone help me be useful and sum up the wagons on silver, izak, and andrew?

Not really the things I can sum up in a post or two, hmm, I'll dig around a bit later and find some good posts that explain it well for you though, not sure what my schedule is going to be like tonight and the next few days but I'll try to find time for it. The other replacement will be able to look at it too and help you guys catch up easier, I know 75 pages is a lot, thanks for replacing in!

[Junpei]

You're an idiot Rainbowdash.

That's more biased then anything I've ever seen.

I'll do way better tomorrow maybe tonight if I have time. That's a terrible recap of the three wagons.

[Junpei]

I'll do way better tomorrow maybe tonight if I have time. That's a terrible recap of the three wagons.

You do realize the silver comment was a joke because im convinced he is town right?

The others are actually spot on. You can't tell me that andrew would be getting wagoned today if it wasn't for the MoI claim, and those Izak reasons are why im voting him.

What are your thoughts on why I voted Izak?

Didn't know it was a joke, thought you were trying to make the wagon look bad.

ISO me and you'll see many reasons to lynch andrew.

The izak wagon was pretty good, but you made it look better than I think it is by downplaying the other two.

[Junpei]

Dear replacements, I will try to do what I promised tomorrow, as it is late and I've been busy, I do have things going on tomorrow, but I will wake up early so I can start my run earlier so that I can post here in decent time before my agenda for the day begins.

Dear Rainbowdash, Andrew is very scummy, you discredit the wagon without stating any specific points you have issues with, similarly you are doing the same thing with the Silver wagon.

P.S. sometimes scum vote scum.

[Junpei]

Post 323: "But scum claim PRs just as often as town, if not more, right? Does it really mean anything?' This looks like setting up a reason to lynch a claimed power role. Junpei had just entered the game (replacing Vifam) and had claimed Town Tracker, so maybe he's still tunnelling. Or distancing; Junpei was still in pretty serious danger although no longer at L-2.

Once I claimed tracker I wasn't in any danger anymore of being lynched.

Ouch, Post 368: Attacks Meransiel for lurking, which... if you look, Meransiel has more posts than most people.

At the time, Meransiel had been lurking A TON. ISO me you see me debating with Meransiel about it.

Oh, hey, Pinky saw the same thing on the jester thing. Izak says he was quite obviously joking, but it really didn't read like that for me. In this long post (728) he also says it's not that he can't provide reads, he just hasn't put them into a list. (Why not?) And when pressed on his previous suspicion of Chevre, says this: "There was some focus on Chevre at that point. I was just making my stance known; how can that EVER be scummy?" Well, it's scummy if you're distancing, obviously.

"Oh, hey" makes it sound like you are just noticing this. Are you seriously claiming that you didn't realize that Izak had pulled his jester stunt until you read Pinkys' post on the PBPA of Izak?

Other points were good I think, only cut them out to shorten my posts' length. Still don't think the case is as strong as Andrews' though.

In a small bit I'll go find quotes for the full case on andrew, since you did Izak I feel even more obligated to fulfill my promise.

[Junpei]

I know that Meransiel was lurking, but I still don't believe that announcing that you're planning to lurk and that you're not going to post is the sort of move scum would make. I don't want to get into the WIFOM aspect of that, but it's just drawing too much heat and too much attention and I don't think Izak's attacks on Meransiel are well justified in this regard. What Meran was doing made him useless and annoying, but it didn't make him scum imo.

But when pressured, Meransiel squeezed out of hibernation lurking and posted thoughts and reads. This doesn't make him any more suspicious to you?

[Junpei]

I don't see tunneling on Chevre since he doesn't have that many posts regarding her. I am a little uneased with the fact that all his Chevre posts are to the town, he never investigates chevre by asking any questions or posing any requests. So I certainly would say that his interaction with the whole Chevre case was scummy if I think about it. However I am not seeing tunneling, didn't he vote Zinger and I?

[Junpei]

To everyone on the Andrew wagon: Do you think silver is more than mildly scummy?

[Junpei]

@Junpei yes.

@ThAdmiral but you would still lynch me as a second choice? What have I actually done wrong? I know I've not been most useful but I don't see anything of mine as especially scummy, so please enlighten me.

"yes". So very scummy? Describe his alignment standing for me.

[Junpei]

I know Rainbowdash, oversoul is a coward if there isn't a good reason not to be here. Ugh, Silver and Andrew are scummy, and another ugh for not making posts on andrew and silvers' case today I forgot about it, and a final ugh for not knowing whether it is smart to BW oversoul for the sheer purpose of inactivity here while massive activity elsewhere.

[Junpei]

I think Andrew is scum, but I want MoI to confirm that he has recruited someone to the neighborhood for this new day before we, if we, kill him. I'd rather get a scum PR over a scum neighborizer (if silver is scum, may be PR, if andrew is scum, is just neighborizer), but if people are going for Andrew I'll hop on.

[Junpei]

This, to

I've looked over this again, and with MoI's info, I think that andrew is scummier than silver.

VOTE: andrew

How? I just don't see how Andrew is that scummy. He is bad yes, but he's not scummy,

This

Andrew is 100% scum.

I am not going to dive too deep into this because it is getting a little wifomy in here but just pointing this out.

[Junpei]

Oh, alright. VOTE: Andrew.

Hey new guy, could you give us reads/explanations for more people than Andrew? Well, you didn't give explanations on Andrew, but if you do a full read list it shouldn't matter.

[Junpei]

PaTB makes a very cogent point on Meran re: Izak and Shotty.

Good work fellows!

Care to respond Meran?

What was the purpose of making this post other than to buddy up to Pinky a little?

It would be much fairer to label me "unpredictable" than "always this scummy and useless".

If you want to cement your unpredictable reputation, give us some reads on who you think the scum are and why. I will almost guarantee no one expects that at this point.

Lol banshee, that deserves a "nice one".

[Junpei]

Had a post, but basically what David Xantos said. I second the notion that even those relatively knew to the site know about Shotty.

[Junpei]

Why are you two trying to brush this away so quickly? No comments on the Meran business, no consideration, just "andrew is scum lynch go!"?

[Junpei]

I agree but I still want Meran to explain this.

[Junpei]

Rainbowdash, how long is a regular day to you? To me it sounds like an arbitrary way of saying "I want the day to end now so lynch andrew". Settling isn't necessary right now. We don't have to tunnel our vision to 1 or 2 prospects. That is VERY anti-town.

[Junpei]

Those are terrible reads...

Let me summarize.

Meran is scummy because of the post that just took place.

I'm scummy because of Vifam and I am null since then.

ZeL1nK is scummy for claiming vig but not his shot

Rodion is a general feeling

Peregrine is a general feeling

No way you've read this thread and have been scumhunting. No chance.

[Junpei]

Yes it is, you could be insane or something. There could be a framer. And people don't read breadcrumbs once they're posted, they are meant for when you look back at an ISO after a claim.

1. Andrew
2. Silver
3. Oversoul
4. Izak
5. Meran

Also we need to wait for replacements to weigh in.

[Junpei]

Daycop, Rodion. And shotty is an idiot regardless of what her role is. Like Rodion said, zero reason to claim. And Castle Bravo sure as hell better not be claiming.

[Junpei]

Wait, why would shotty daycop someone who she thinks is town? Why not one of the other wagons that she thinks is mafia?

Carry on with trying to ride a bike backwards.

[Junpei]

So many people we need to lynch... so many.. ZeL1nK better kill one of them or I'll be upset.

Shotty talking cryptically, if you really are trolling (and it says something about you that I even consider this) I'll be petitioning for your ban. Why would you know Rainbow/MoI's roles

[Junpei]

The last two are exactly the same.

[Junpei]

I think the lynch is still andrew regardless of what DMSIK says here, so the lynch remains the same. Outting more info before night is going to just give scum more of a "shoot here" sign.

What if I were to say... I'd be willing to lynch shotty if her explanation is terrible?

[Junpei]

Question: Do you or do you not see the clear contradiction in thought patterns by shotty?

Question: Do you or do you not see the reasoning for hard claiming cop in the situation shotty claimed in?

Question: Do you think shotty is town?

[Junpei]

Okay, it's an investigation role that gets guilties and 2 rolecops hardclaim.

Ok wait let me recover from laughing before I go on.

Aheh, okay answer my questions rainbowdash, this game isn't bastard.

[Junpei]

I buy part of his claim. But not all of it. That said I won't lynched on his word.

Ugh.

Damnit, I might see what he's doing. No harm in killing andrew I suppose.

[Junpei]

vote andrew

L-2 I believe.

David, I hate crypticness, but in this case I will have to stay silent. I don't like the way this day is ending.

Also I don't know what my schedule is like tonight and tomorrow could be completely gone but should find a way back.

[Junpei]

Okay. I'm willing to trust your judgement on staying silent.. but whichever side of that claim, if any, is true, he's shot us in the foot by revealing himself for no reason.

I agree. I still do not condone him outing himself in this manner, although I see the reason now.

[Junpei]

Wait Oversoul how do you know it was redirected?

[Junpei]

Also holy damn, Michael Westen is a 100% Miller JOAT in Burn Notice. That must be a strange coincidence Oversoul.

pedit: drmyshottyizsik why do you say that? You assume that ZeL1nK shot Pappums?

[Junpei]

Shotty, we also need the results of your night action.

Seconded, I'll give mine right after.

[Junpei]

If deleting it and resending it would still make Jason accept it (since it'd be in past the deadline) I would tell you to, but it'd probably nullify it so I'll wait for Jason to process all the night actions, although I would like to ask what you named your PM.

[Junpei]

What the fuck? 4 results?

[Junpei]

Alright, I think I can tell who I tracked now,

CastleBravo visited no one.

pedit: Yes I do wonder why Pappums went ahead of izak and oversoul, gonna go reread your ISO real quick.

[Junpei]

Currently bogged down in another game, but I'll ISO shotty soon enough.

Nero, I was worried that she would announce a VT claim on Castle Bravo after my NV, which would be easy to fake. I didn't want her answer influenced by any other reports. But it appears that even now we won't know the full truth. I agree with ZeL1nK to not ask for a full claim.

[Junpei]

Yeah I'm not liking this claim by shotty at all. I can't wait for MoI to come, should be interesting to see what he has to say.

[Junpei]

He was screaming 3rd party to me :/

P-Edit: Why?

Okay shotty let me recap your role:

You have multiple abilities that include but aren't limited to rolecop and kill direct.

You redirected the kill onto Pappums instead of confirmed VT/mafia Silver.

Get why I don't buy it now?

[Junpei]

Yes I saw your breadcrumb shotty, I'm ashamed that I didn't see it earlier. If I were more experienced I'm positive I would have. The point of the redirect is to protect a PR in favor of a more favorable death from towns point of view. VT fits the bill.

[Junpei]

Why am I still alive :/

Uh, wow, I can't believe that this is your first post? Why are you surprised to be alive?

Anyway, if you have any important reads to give that'd be great. Have you read up on hipaddict and the 50 other people you replaced all at once? Oh wait it was just a 2 head hydra that formed twice.

[Junpei]

That's wishful thinking.
Meh, just waiting on MoI here.

How so?

VOTE: DrShotty

Once I'm done I'll be back to explain more fully why.

He apparently has some insightful info on why you are scum.

[Junpei]

Is it cool if someone links me all of Oversouls current games? I don't mind bending the rules a bit if it won't get me mod killed. That is unless sifting through his games and "coming to the intuitive conclusion that he's telling the truth" is a mod kill.

Also, shotty is very scummy, however I have a feeling that Oversoul and Castle Bravo could be the scum trio trying to divert attention. I think that shotty might be a role cop in a scum team that consists of 5 or 6 people perhaps, so they don't mind risking these two. This chance is heightened if Castle Bravo is a role who is less needed (my NV on Castle Bravo suggests that if Castle is scum then there is at least 1 other nilla or odd/even or 1/2shot ability user in the coven. Castle could have been mafia goon who PMed Jason telling him what she was about to do. I think that the alt switch coupled with the "I'm being stalked" business could have been setting something like this up. Is it a mod kill if she tells us who she is stalking?

Shotty's claim is pants on head and if we sort out this oversoul thing then I am lynching shotty. However if it was a genuine scumslip then we will have to jump Oversoul and vig shotty unless she full claims. We need to discern if it is worth having her alive longer or not, if her abilities are of proper use. However if they are then the role would be even more broken, but I'll say: Shotty, do you have another investigative role ability? And before you say "sure is italian fisherman in here" I'll remind you that you're on the chopping block today, if things go unchanged you and oversoul will be lynched/vig likely. The truth needs to come out.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, we cannot let this mafia ploy steer town too far. Peregrine, you WILL give us a set of reads. Izak will give us more detailed scum reads. That is our agenda today, we WILL follow it. Also I really think that MoI is town right now, just because if he's scum then he's crafting a clever ploy... hm, eyes on the agenda, Junpei, no need to go off rants. I will take a piece of advice from RainbowDash in that we do not need extra talk. We need Peregrine Reads, possible Oversoul games linked (I will look if I have to), Izak detailed reads, and shotty full claim.

And... Action!

[Junpei]

This is getting messy... if we work this out the whole case will be solved!

Bonus points for whoever can guess where that quote is from, but Rodion careful on what you post in the thread. This is getting a bit intense but we need to keep our heads. Remember that we are students of the game, and rowdy children are no good and will be punished.

[Junpei]

VOTE: fourseencircumstance

Holy fucking cockblasts batman we have some shenangians!

Here's what we know. Shotty, Oversoul, consist of at least 1 scum whom scum are very afraid to lose.

Who is it, I wonder...

[Junpei]

Oh no, guess I have to bus him!

Vote: Oversoul

MoI: Please submit the kill personally. Thx.

Why the sudden change in tone? You're mafia, after all!

Hey, you're mafia! Castle self vote! We'll save this town engulfed in flames, you and I! Take my hand Castle and we'll hang your head!

vote castle bravo

[Junpei]

Heh... heh heh heh....

Castle Bravo you truly are...[redacted]

Here is what you did, you claim mafia for the sole purpose of gathering reactions in this shit fest we call Day 3. That I respect and understand, however what is not lining up is that you claimed Mafia Goon. Shotty would be mafia Role Cop. Hm, mafia role cop/3 confirmed town, or Mafia goon? Tough choice! Now you see why I think this town is engulfed in flames, do you? Aha! CASTLE! SAVE THIS TOWN WITH ME, DO IT, LET US TIE THE ROPE AROUND YOUR SOFT CHILLING NECK, MY GRAND FRIEND! COME! ALL GATHER AROUND! TONIGHT WE EAT!

[Junpei]

What flailing?

I'VE CLAIMED SCUM.

HOW AM I FLAILING?

Hammer me, MoI, hammer me.

Self vote, dear Castle. Thou wilst be the light that doth guide town to victory. The flames envelope us in darkness, they shine not light but pitch black fear that the mafia feed on. Lead us Castle, Lead us to victory!!!

[Junpei]

Oh Castle... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRtaRbj7FWI

Aheh, you're such a... a what? A smart fellow perhaps... heh.

Castle Bravo scum has a plan, a messy messy MESSY MESSY PLAN! Oh how messy. But oh what a plan! Oh Castle, take my hand in this rope and let thou hang!

[Junpei]

Oh Castle... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRtaRbj7FWI

Aheh, you're such a... a what? A smart fellow perhaps... heh.

Castle Bravo scum has a plan, a messy messy MESSY MESSY PLAN! Oh how messy. But oh what a plan! Oh Castle, take my hand in this rope and let thou hang!

I'll self vote if you unvote and promise to hammer.

How's that?

unvote

But, dear Castle, how can MoI and I BOTH hammer.

[Junpei]

Oh Castle, how quite elegant you sometimes are. May I ask a simple question? Who is stalking you, so I may strike them down with fury!

Pedit: Oh Bravo, you're doing it all for me!?

[Junpei]

If we're lynching CB, shotty shouldn't fullclaim. Sit down Rodion, you Italian fisherman you!

Shotty shouldn't full claim? Oh boy, how did this day get turned around so fast?

Shotty is still full claiming

lynch shotty

(don't worry Castle I'll still hammer you)

[Junpei]

vote shotty

Lynch doesn't happen for a little while.

[Junpei]

Castle Bravo my friend you have gone cold! The quest for glory will have to make a stop elsewhere!

vote Unforeseen

Come, my glorious teammate, Unforeseen, let us ride to victory, you hand me the rope, I'll tie it, you brace yourself and I pull the block from beneath you!

[Junpei]

there is an unforeseen in this game?

I apologize, gracious one

vote FourseenCircumstance

Join me!

[Junpei]

Ok so full claim?
I can if you guys want, but I'd really prefer not to out my other 2 abilities right now. They work best if kept a secret.

Now now girl, I want to hear a soft whisper when speaking around these parts. There lurks a beast that will eat passerby.

Tell me darlin, do you think that we want a full claim, since you sugary asked for our permission?

Fourseen where are you!

[Junpei]

Ok so full claim?
I can if you guys want, but I'd really prefer not to out my other 2 abilities right now. They work best if kept a secret.

Now now girl, I want to hear a soft whisper when speaking around these parts. There lurks a beast that will eat passerby.

Tell me darlin, do you think that we want a full claim, since you sugary asked for our permission?

Fourseen where are you!

Well if I read correctly 2 people asked for one, but out of 23 that's not enough to make me claim.
The fact that OverSoul was so over eager to full claim on top of his scum slip is why I am voting him.

Two? Darn hickory smoke sausage that's one fine number! Why I rememba when children could but hardly count ta two! Gee willikers, may I ever so kindly ask you to look through the thread one more time to see how many people asked you one more time?

Fourseen! Howdy! All aboard the Fourseen express, we have a big boy to lynch!

David, how kind of you to join us... Did you redirect off of CB?

[Junpei]

Nope.. not quite sure of that claim myself, I don't have much experience with redirection mechanics personally, but is it normal for the person to be warned that their action was redirected?

Can't say, wouldn't know.

Nero I would appreciate it if you would stop speakin like that, you're hurtin' the little uns ears!

If we could uhh all lynch Foresee, it'd appear that he really wants to die so, why not give the little guy his wish?

[Junpei]

But sire! I can't help spamming the thread! You see if you were to go through my ISO you'd see plenty of great posts despite many poor ones I assure you!

My question to thou is this: simply yes or no "Do you believe shotty's claim? Do you believe Oversouls claim? Do you believe Silvers claim? Do you believe ZeL1nK's apparent fakeclaim? Do you understand why Bravo and Foreseen want to be lynched? Do you have any idea why I'm talking like a moron?"

Ahahaha

[Junpei]

Oh sometimes I wonder if this is all a cultist ploy to protect Peregrine. It really would seem unlikely given the chain of events that there is not cult.

Does the entire cult die if their cult leader is lynched/NK'd?

[Junpei]

G'night, scumbuddy, I told you to double check your fakeclaims.

Vote:Oversoul

Town vig might want to shoot another scum suspect, one that might not actually go boom. Think about it - night bomb is an odd role to give to scum (killed at night = dead player) but giving scum a role that punishes town for lynching them? Nah.

'course I'm a goon, so do whatever.

I second the notion to shoot Castle Bravo at night.

...but what reason do we have to believe that we have a vigilante? Our unccd vigilante claim appears to be VT.

[Junpei]

I second the notion to shoot Castle Bravo at night.

...but what reason do we have to believe that we have a vigilante? Our unccd vigilante claim appears to be VT.

Odd, I do not understand. I was such obvious scum you were willing to hammer, why such amazingly cold feet? Or is the scent of a dead vig so nice?

No, Castle Bravo, you do not really want to be lynched, you're scared. If you did you would self vote. You're a sham.

[Junpei]

Lining up lynches is scummy... Like really scummy man. Each flip will effect the reads of people. :/

Unless they're all scum...

And of course you would say that as you're one of the one's lined up.

@ junpei: don't feed the troll.

If we assume they're trolling we will fail.

Jason would be very mad if they were simply trolling.

[Junpei]

I will play aloing..

unvote. vote: oversoul

Hey now, ignore them, we are fine the way we are.

[Junpei]

No it's not. What the fuck is going on. Vigilante kill shotty if you can. Obvious rolecop is obvious.

[Junpei]

We want shotty to full claim you fucking hammered.

Shotty for cult leader. Ugh VIGILANTE KILL SHOTTY

[Junpei]

Because his abilities work better if we don't show scum the hand we're playing with.

I think the only one who

didn't

have the chance to pop up and and say "Oh hey, I redirected that!" was izak anyway.

If Oversoul flips miller JOAT then a protective role should save izak tonight so we can figure out who he got a scumvestigation on.

I think that we have the situation completely misjudged. We didn't spend enough time solving this piece... we could have solved the case today.

[Junpei]

Seconding everything that MoI said, ESPECIALLY NUMBER THREE. I almost thought that I was the only one that noticed, but I probably just missed a few people pointing it out.

[Junpei]

Well played David, you sincerely had me fooled the whole way.

[Junpei]

Shotty, andrew, and oversoul all played absolutely awful. But really there's no need to keep posting about it, no need to hurt their feelings more than necessary.