Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

[springlullaby]

Hello guys, I'm a miller. Thought I'd let you know.

[springlullaby]

haha 'k'ombatant
too cool <3 <3 <3

[springlullaby]

Actually, that's fine by me.

VOTE Springlullaby

[springlullaby]

Ahem. I fucked that up, haven't read my PM through.

Lemme think about this first.

UNVOTE

[springlullaby]

Alright
1. I think there is a chance Bunnylover and I are both town. I had forgotten this was a large theme.
2. But checking up on Ermac, I don't see why that would be a miller role.

@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.

a. I'm Kabal.
b. I was formerly associated with the Black Dragon syndicate but decided to redeem myself and fight crime. Even being cruelly mangled could only further my hate of crime and evil. Unfortunately, my past and my ugliness make people not willing to trust me.
c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)


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@Palissade, why would you want two miller to pit against each other? Eager to deflect heat from yourself?

[springlullaby]

By the way, how have you not read your PM? You had to confirm through it before we started playing the game.

I imagine you had to have at least read through to that part, right?

Do you really think that is a good argument?

1. I only skim read through my PM when I received it, and replied back.
2. My PM is complicated.
3. What 'part' are you referring to? The sentence in bold make no sense.

[springlullaby]

Fffffffff

No way are both millers town. NO WAY.

VOTE: springlullaby

Why? WHY

[springlullaby]

Alright
1. I think there is a chance Bunnylover and I are both town. I had forgotten this was a large theme.
2. But checking up on Ermac, I don't see why that would be a miller role.

Statement 1 says you think you both are Millers (if you think BL is town, then you think he is Miller).
Statement 2 tries to discredit BL's claim to being a Miller.

No.
1. Statement one is me considering that Bunny lover may be truthful.
2. Statement two is me considering that Bynny lover may be lying.
And the rest of my post is me trying to check up with Bunnylover to see if we should trust each other.

[springlullaby]

Alright
1. I think there is a chance Bunnylover and I are both town. I had forgotten this was a large theme.
2. But checking up on Ermac, I don't see why that would be a miller role.

Statement 1 says you think you both are Millers (if you think BL is town, then you think he is Miller).
Statement 2 tries to discredit BL's claim to being a Miller.

Do you acknowledge selective quoting?

[springlullaby]

By the way, how have you not read your PM? You had to confirm through it before we started playing the game.

I imagine you had to have at least read through to that part, right?

Do you really think that is a good argument?

1. I only skim read through my PM when I received it, and replied back.
2. My PM is complicated.
3. What 'part' are you referring to? The sentence in bold make no sense.

Toogeloo, please answer question 3.

[springlullaby]

The part of your PM that indicated your way of confirmation, ie. what the first two parts of the statement are referring to.

Also, I will not acknowledge selective quoting. Your post has a clear disconnect in delivery that appears as though you are trying assuage the suspicion on you and then immediately leap to a claim. Me pointing out what appears to be a logic fallacy didn't have anything to do with your claim, so I didn't feel it needed to be posted with the quote.

The only motivation I had to claim further was to check up Bunny Lover's claim, specifically to see if she could provide details about the miller role. My providing details is basic courtesy as nobody has reason to trust me on face value either.

1. I think there is a chance Bunnylover and I are both town. I had forgotten this was a large theme.
2. But checking up on Ermac, I don't see why that would be a miller role.

@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.

a. I'm Kabal.
b. I was formerly associated with the Black Dragon syndicate but decided to redeem myself and fight crime. Even being cruelly mangled could only further my hate of crime and evil. Unfortunately, my past and my ugliness make people not willing to trust me.
c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)

Do you maintain that my claiming and asking Bunnylover specifics about the miller role is 'disconnected' from my doubts about Bunnylover's claim?

[springlullaby]

@ BUNNYLOVER

@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.

This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.

This make me wonder about the following:

Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.

Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?

Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?

[springlullaby]

Unvote; Vote: Palisade

Not sure why several people suggested I wanted the millers to duel or combat or whatever. I do not. Palisade NEVER stopped being scum, ever. I wanted to note the absolute scumminess of springlullaby's miller claim with a vote to show I was serious. It's not that she claimed miller after BL did;

it's that she took it BACK immediately.

WTF is that shit.

What are you talking about? I never took back my claim.
The only thing I retracted was my self-vote to go up against Bunnylover. I did so because I realized that this was a 25 players large theme and therefore more plausible for there being two legit millers.
Are you deliberately distorting the truth here? If not, please do check my iso.

VOTE: springlullaby

Fonz, why are you ignoring the context of BL's playstyle in her miller claim?

SL, have you ever been a miller before?

I have never been a miller before but I have modded one game with a miller in it, and played in at least one iirc which had one. Why are you asking?

[springlullaby]

Why are we pitting a random person to duel? Unless the Survivor gets powers for winning the fight it's stupid.

Vote: Springlulliby

BL has been pretty cooperative, I believe him. Why isn't this person being strung up too?

Are you saying that I haven't been cooperative? Please justify, thanks.

[springlullaby]

See, I think Spring didn't read the thread and just thought she could get a Miller claim out there. Since then she has been trying to figure out how to make it passable. She first retracted it, almost as if she was going to take back the Miller thing like she hadn't read her PM thoroughly. Then she tried to fish the Miller condition out of BL, which ended up failing. I think she was hoping for BL to state what makes Millers scan the way they do, and instead BL came out with "Former Evil Slave," which made Spring have to come up with a way to make them look like they could still be Millers, and she just came up with the "Reformed" thing.

That's just ass backward stupid, I couldn't have know that there was a special 'miller condition' and ask BL about it if I hadn't been a miller. And, the knowledge of the miller status being a passive ability is totally worthless in the first place for scum to find out, that's way I judged it was ok to out it, so you ascribing nefarious fishing intent here is totally warped.

@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.

c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)

Here you are looking for a specific phrase.
Yet, here...

@ BUNNYLOVER

@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.

This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.

This make me wonder about the following:

Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.

Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?

Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?

You are fine with it not being exact at all.

Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.

Vote:
Springlullaby

What? What are you accusing me of exactly here? That I wasn't suspicious of the difference in role flavor?
The specific I looked for was 'passive ability'.
One of the things I've doubted about BL's claim was that she claimed Ermac, and it actually wouldn't have made sense for her to mimic the Black Dragon part of my flavor. That's why I insisted on asking her about the Black Dragon thing. The fact that she didn't mimic that part is a small positive indicator to her credit.
Am I making sense to you?

For the record, i think of all the votes on me right now, Toogeloo's looks the worst. Trying too hard with crap argument and stretching.

On Bunny, there are stuff I don't like, but mostly I just kinda think Bunnylover is not good enough player (yet) to make any kind of gambit as scum, so I'm having her as legit and dismissing all else as noise of paranoia.

I don't know what to make of the Fonz' white knight yet, but I'm kinda flattered right now so I'll just sit here primly and look up on him with lashes aflutter.

[springlullaby]

I don't know what to think of the two scum teams suggestion though and it's worrying me too.

On one hand the point about the bandwagonning nature of this town makes sense, and the fact that the Black Dragon syndicate was specified in my PM agrees with that theory too.

On the other Bunny Lover says that in his PM there is no specified factions, which contradicts the two scum teams theory because I would expect that if BL and I are both legit, we would be faction specific millers and I'd expect Bunny's PM to contain the name of the faction he is miller for as does mine. Yet he said that there wasn't one in his.

1/This makes me paranoiac about BL being gambitting scum again and I may have mis-estimated him. My role may just have thrown his plan off, and considering the modkill, the details he provided may have been given to him by the mod. He did take a long time to reply. There is also the fact that he is avoiding the possible two scum teams issue.

2/If there is indeed two scumteams, CooldDog needs to be cross-examined because his being a mafia cop is on the rise.

Anyway, this is important and needs to be clarified. Specifically, I'd like more input from BL on this.

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About the pit, I think putting another scummy player in it is the way to go. The idea of putting town vs scum is stupid as it 1)lower chance of correct lynch 2)takes away the point of the whole concept of duel.


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I had a suspicion at what you were hinting at yesterday CD. You made it a little obvious you had scanning power in posts #226 and #231, I'd be wary of that in future games.

Vote: WLC

Toogeloo is defo scum.

Vote Toogeloo

I'm alright with voting Amrun too. She dodged answering to my post several times and her 'I don't really care post' is ewwww, you should certainly care if you are town. But making this too quick is bad.

I need to reread other players.

[springlullaby]

I think the togeloo's post I pointed out shows cop hunting mentality, something I expect more from scum than town. It is also buddying up to claimed cop while saying nothing in reality. And it's not only that post which makes him scum, please see his crappy reason for voting me day 1.

My comment about the need to put scum vs scum in the pit was directed at the idea of putting Cooldog against WLC.

[springlullaby]

Let's see if another day can go post without me having caught up.