Flash mafia 3 (town wins)

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Just so you guys know, I have a perfect record as a replacement. I hope you don't spoil it for me.

Could someone quickly sum up any really important things I should know about? I caught the masons claims and the lack of a NK last night.
I'm not up to date on alts and hydras. If there are any common knowledge ones in here that I should know about please point them out to the old geezer. GOTI is Oman right?


I've read over the last 4-5 pages. Observations thus far:

Tajo is either stupid or scum. I know he's Mexican and all, but even stupid for a Mexican.

I kinda agree with SL about DGB not being as much of a pot stirrer as usual. Any meta evidence that this is a scumtell?

Amrun's posts are a bit weird. I'll keep reading and report more on that later.

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@shaft.ed the only thing you missed (maybe) was I claimed town RB day 1 and I roleblocked Llama last night.

guessing you were run up to L-1 then

DGB, scumputer please


@myko, can we get who replaced who in the OP. It's pretty confusing keeping up with the replacement situation

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apologize if this has been gone over already, but do the masons have confirmation of towniness in the role PM?

The Flash has the role Mafia Mason in it since I don't think neighbors had been so named at that time.

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unvote vote Regfan

really?

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his reaction to the mason claim read as town.

beg to differ

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guess I've got the evening to catch up
Glad I could replace in a find scum for you guys in less than a page

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(I know I just like killing people who try to take credit from me when all they did was replace in and post popular opinion at the time)

joke meter needs tuning

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unvote vote Regfan

really?

mhmm, I get the feeling he's telling people what they want to here rather than his own opinions.

i get that, but the timing for a vote was odd

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Amrun's posts are a bit weird. I'll keep reading and report more on that later.

Also I totally should get credit for the scumlynch
just sayin

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Im more relaxed, now, I think.

Vote: Amrun.

CLAIM OR DIE.

^This is why Tajo is faking-scum btw.

Lynch him for outing the masons, kthx.

or the other one-shot vig can NK him
oh wait

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vote: Regsfan

diescumdie

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so i'm thinkin massclaim. thoughts?

are you kidding me?

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I thought it was obvious enough that I was an investigative role that I was considering outright claiming at the end of yesterday.

why? whats the benefit of outright claiming at the end of yesterday?

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DGB's play is way off. I don't find it an alignment thing though because she's equally crazy as town and scum. I'm fairly certain scum DGB would have sucked up to me when I replaced in, but she barely acknowledged my presence.

Possibility she is some non-killing third party role. Very much doubt she is mafia


zor, have you compared farside's Llamarble reaction to today's Regfan reaction?

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If scum are going Doc hunting then they are trying to NK a player that isn't going to be Doc protected. Given we have a claimed power role and outed masons, you think a Doc is aiming outside of that pool?

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Would you not think that scum may have roleblocked you?

what kind if ridiculous question is this?

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DGB forced Amrun's claim yesterday.

I don't care if DGB is lynched. Pretty sure she's the 14th player survivor. Not like the town doesn't have a lynch to waste. But I'd prefer not to.

Does anyone else think RB, Tracker, Doc and mason pair is too strong? I'm a bit weary of the claim situation.

Also masons, I hope you guys have talked about this amongst yourselves.

The Flash has the role Mafia Mason in it since I don't think neighbors had been so named at that time.

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also scumpartner DGB isn't running her buddy up to a fakeclaim without having it sorted out ahead of time

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Thinking about Regfan, he is either vanilla goon or town tracker. It is highly unlikely that scum tracker targets a claimed powerrole on Day1. So he either fabricated that targeting for a valid claim or he is town aligned. Thus confirmation of ability is confirmation of alignment. He can be dealt with at a later time.

unvote

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my Amrun reread got me to Regfan, that's why I voted him to start my day

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can say the same thing for Elli

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Elli why did you post a votecount?

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Elli why did you post a votecount?

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ELLI Votecount

Farside22 (4): Ghostwriter, Fate, Ellibereth, crypto
Regfan (3): Farside22, Untrod Tripod, populartajo
Ghostwriter (3): Regfan, a girl on the internet, Ythill
Fate (1): DrippingGoofball
Ellibereth (1): Parabollocks
PopularTajo (1): Llamarble

Not voting (1): Porochaz

With 14 players, it's 6 to lynch

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SL prod please

lol@zoraster. You can just claim scum if you want to make it that easy for us

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1shot vig isn't a dumb claim for scum at all

Claiming a role that isn't on the semi-open list is a wee bit dumb

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woops forgot to vote the scum

VOTE: zoraster

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SL prod please

lol@zoraster. You can just claim scum if you want to make it that easy for us

Look at the chainsaw here! Utter without explanation in response to a vote.

nice try

I don't care if DGB is lynched. Pretty sure she's the 14th player survivor. Not like the town doesn't have a lynch to waste. But I'd prefer not to.

squirm harder

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squirm!

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I am sorry, I have decided to stop playing mafia altogether.

@mod - please replace me, with abundant apologies.

seems like my returning to a game has made everyone else quite mafia
I'm sorry everyone

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Haha. 3am derp whee.
I think as scum I and most other people usually trust buddies to fakeclaim things that make sense.
I may end up on Zoraster wagon anyway though.
I'll look at this later today.

DGB is ridiculously organized as scum
I've modded her and read her QTs, she plans
But with the dropping out, I don't think any of the reads I have are reliable, so I'd say just ignore her meta altogether

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Meh I'm down with a DGB lynch. Meta is useless and her play without that is scummy

would like to hear from SL first, but it'd be nice to get it done before a replacement is bothered to read through the whole game just to get strung up

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I'd prefer the Doc wait a day with claiming. They seem to be mindfucking the mafia well enough without any help from the rest of us

I'd also like Regfan to confirm his tracker ability tonight. Another confirmed innocent is worth more than a crapshoot for some tracking results

zoraster backpedaling from his DGB vote after the "hammer" is weird. I'd be up for a zor lynch today as well

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I'd also like Regfan to confirm his tracker ability tonight. Another confirmed innocent is worth more than a crapshoot for some tracking results.

Are you suggesting that I track Farside again tonight?

that's the most obvious way to confirm your ability yes

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he doesnt have to listen to me obviously, i just think its his optimal play

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you need to get better control of your mason buddy

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mastin, where are all your words?

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I have about a 5 page gap in the early game that I skimmed because I got bored and early game is usually not useful.

Fate

-Pretty strong town read. Claim is even stronger town read. Am still paranoid about Mafia Mason role. But this would be Llamarble because of roleblock N1.

DGB

-Her play was off. I read her as disinterested 3rd party. Now realizing that was just general apathy. Ignoring the meta side of her play. She's scummy.

Ellibereth

-My read on Elli jumps from town to scum depending on which game section I'm reading. More likely town.

Llamarble

-Of the masons, the more likely to have the mod harhar Mafia Mason role. Not a fan of his play, but farside roleblock is more revealing. Most likely town due to roleclaim.

Mastin2 (who replaced PopularTajo)

-Don't like tajo's play in this game. Seems too crappy to be scum, but who knows. L-1 vote on Amrun was in a good bussing position. Never played with Mastin, but I was expecting something very different given his reputation. Any meta tells?

Springlullaby (who replaced Ythill)

-I always read Ythill as town. Which makes me think he's scum. He was bleeding town N1. SL's play has been non-existent. Don't like the DGB vote yesterday. Hardly anything to look at. Costing on Ythill's D1 play might take you pretty far, but need more contribution.

Porochaz

-I think I played once with porotown before. Seemed a lot like this. I don't see scum bothering to be so stupidly and obviously contrarian

Farside

-Looks like town to me based on my experience modding her in EVERY game I've ever modded.

a girl on the internet

-Light on content, feels like valid contributions when plays are made.

Regfan

-Don't like his Amrun interactions. Don't like the convenience of his preemptive role claim. Don't like the game balance with a RB, Doc, Tracker and Mason pair along with a likely extra townie/harmless 3rd party in the game. I would REALLY like for him to confirm his ability tonight since that will 99% confirm his alignment given his N1 tracking claim.

Zoraster (who replaced Parabollocks)

-Convenient flipping on DGB, and backtracking on the vote after the "hammer". Lashing out at random people on his wagon but not others. Scummy.


On the setup, from a balance perspective I think I see RB + Doc as making more sense than Doc + Tracker. The game started with a half an extra lynch for town, so RB or Doc protect bumps the town up a lynch. Tracker getting lucky could take a scum out of the game on his own. Lot more swingy. The three combined with masons seems pretty unlikely to me. I think in order of probability one of the following is the case: Regfan is goon faking tracker, Farside is mafia RB claiming town, Llamarble Mafia Mason claiming town Mason. Given that town appears to have an extra player the Mafia Mason may be more likely as this is going really strong against site meta. However, if there is an innocuous 3rd party thrown in, I don't know that the mafia would need something like a Mafia Mason for counterbalance, so if we flip a survivor/lyncher then I'd say Llamarble is cleared.

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Everyone in this game is a dufus.

Also, save me the time of reading and who are the scums?

Come on your role PM couldn't be that much to read

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just hammer VPB, you'll have all night to catch up
It'll help get you closer to your wincon anyway


Also I love how people keep joining for the playerlist as predominant, rarely/never flaking players keep dropping out. It's kind of surreal

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Regfan should definitely track Farside tonight.

agree with this regardless of zors alignment

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Yeah, fairly sure he's flipping scum. Still think Porochaz or Agoti is likely partner with an outside chance of it being Mastin or Spring, although I had town-reads on their predecessors their complete lack of content is worrying.

Llarmable, Fate, Farside, Elibereth and Shafted are sure-fire town and VP makes me feel a lot better about DBGs slot and am leaning town on it again.

What the fuck has VP done?

I'm calling affirmative action

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Regfan, coming in here pushing for a massclaim when you yourself passed up the opportunity to be confirmed town in order to retrack poro is hella fishy.
AGOTI is also pretty damn scummy for pushing the counterwagon on zoraster yesterday.

Waiting on farside claim.

I've checked the flash multiple times and haven't seen anything about non-killing mafia factions. If others could check that'd be great. If it can exist, that might explain the 14th player

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I've checked the flash multiple times and haven't seen anything about non-killing mafia factions. If others could check that'd be great. If it can exist, that might explain the 14th player

The definition of a mafia janitor in the flash indicates that it can only be used in conjunction with a night-kill therefore the addition of the role proves that mafia do indeed have a night kill. The 14th player was purely added to skip the massive queues in mini normal/mini theme and jump straight into large games I believe.

yes I've never seen a mod include a power role that was of no benefit because of the setup to mislead the players in it before

I also didn't even argue against a massclaim in the sentence you quoted. I argued that someone with the intent of starting a massclaim today when they could have been confirmed tonight is rather odd.

That said, I think a massclaim should be left up to the Doctor. They have enough information to know how many people they have cleared.

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!0-4 with a Traitor could work

11-3 would likely require some sort of very useful mafia power role like a Ninja or a Hitman. Pretty obvious there isn't a Hitman, but Ninja could be there making the Tracks less useful.

Anyway, we have plenty of time to lynch scum

VOTE: AGOTI

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can we watch VPB squirm a little bit before we lynch him?
I really wanna see what kind of excuse he comes up with

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vote: VPB

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farsides weird
busy now

unvote

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OK RB + Doc + Tracker is balanced without masons

Seems that the Doc may have pertinent information on the "masons" and possibly other townsfolk. If you think we should be claiming get it started.

@Farside, what I'm saying is weird is, Why bother roleblocking VPB if, when you get the desired result (no kill) you ignore the outcome and say "must have been the Doc"
That's just weird. I'm not saying it's an alignment thing, but I don't understand why you aren't pushing for a VPB lynch. .What were you hoping for?

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@myko, it's not clear from the Flash so could you clarify whether or not it is possible to have a mafia without a NK in this setup?

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As I said I RB LM night 1, Night 2 was Regfan and now night 3 is VBP but everyone wants to lynch him but lets believe the doctor protected the other 2 nights leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

OK so I think it's pretty safe to assume one of these three is scum. The reason I'm not pushing a Regfan lynch is because he can clear himself with his claimed role. We still have time for him to do this. But I'm a bit annoyed that he hasn't yet.

LM was assumed to be a non-informative block because of the mason claim. That's out the window now. Also looking at Amrun pushing for his lynch makes sense. Your scumpartner getting caught in a position like that is the sweetspot for busing. And Llamarble's zoraster vote yesterday also doesn't scream town, last vote on a pretty obvious scumlynch isn't worth anything. Pointing out that you were on two obvscum wagons is dubious at best.

In regards to VPB, I really have to say any of DGB's play in this game should be taken with a grain of salt. I've played with people that I knew a lot about there meta when they were going into a burnout phase and reads were all useless. They just don't play as usual when that is happening. Meta is pointless.

People I'm happy to lynch today are: AGOTI, VPB and Llama

People I'm happy to lynch if they keep refusing to demonstrate their tracker ability are: Regfan

People that are conspicuously absent are: Mastin

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Shafted, myko is V/LA for a week and I doubt Kise will know the answer.

From reading through the Flash I don't think it's possible to have a scum team with no night kill however inclusion of a Saulus, Poisoner or Traitor may explain the lack of one night-kill (Traitor/Saulus being converted or Poisoner poisoning rather than killing) but not the first two meaning, yes there is a confirmed doctor in the setup.

I'd rather just get the mod to answer. Making assumptions about Docs when the setup could contain non-killing mafia is a bit erroneous to me. i really don't see scum banging their head against the wall repeatedly like this instead of Doc hunting.

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Regfan can you paraphrase your role PM.

cut the shenanigans please

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tajo built up crazy old man shouting at clouds cred, not town cred

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Also this give AGOTI the ability to not look like she/he is actively lurking if this is the only game they post to but can post to other games on the real account.

If he's actively lurking we should lynch him. VPB/DGB town to me indicates a likely AGOTI scum due to attempted counter wagon to zoraster yesterday. That was the first time he started posting in full thought out posts that demonstrated any sort of coherence. Pretty convenient timing.

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you can read his pots. That's active lurking

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K looked it up and it ties into another thought I had, mafia janitor is goddamn powerful.

i dont see a janitor as being that useful

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shhhh, he's showing off his epeen

AGOTI wanting to lynch DGB so badly yesterday and not today even though VPB was roleblocked and there was no NK means AGOTI's case yesterday was utter bull.
Can we lynch scum now or are we still waiting on mastin?

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Do the mafia get informed of who they killed? I can see it being useful if they are told but not the town. But I was under the impression that the information just doesnt get flipped at all.

poro it works on NKs not lynches

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OK I was interpreting it a lot different then. It just says when the kill is revealed the town won't be informed of the victim's role. I was thinking "the town" as in the entire game, like when the mafia role PM says "you control half the town." But if they mean the town as in the faction, then that's quite different. I actually thought it would be a hinderance for the mafia since they might kill of the Doc and not even know it. Never realized why any mafia would even use a role like that.

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Thinking about Regfan, he is either vanilla goon or town tracker. It is highly unlikely that scum tracker targets a claimed powerrole on Day1. So he either fabricated that targeting for a valid claim or he is town aligned. Thus confirmation of ability is confirmation of alignment. He can be dealt with at a later time.

You so crazy. I don't even understand this.

The point of a mafia tracker is to find town power roles, you know like the Doc that keeps screwing them over night after night after night. Therefore a mafia tracker isn't going to track a claimed power role N1, because that power role is already outed. So it's either a town sided decision or a ridiculously convenient fakeclaim. Therefore, if Regfan is in fact a Tracker, he is very likely town aligned. So we just need him to confirm his trackerness. There's no point in lynching him today. We're currently in something like MMMMMMMLylo right now. We have the time to spare.

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I really don't want to break my record but this is looking like a good wagon

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vote: Mastin2

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As far as I could see in the flash guide, there is no such thing as a scum tracker possibility in this game.

Well even better, then you don't even need to make the assumptions that I made because demonstration of ability = 100% demonstration of alignment

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speaking of prozac - why were you playing like a jester for the first day pretty much?

isnt that normal prozac? I haven't played much with him, but I never remember him being super useful

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I see you trying to buddy up to me

it's no working

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^he's a pro at this game^

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someone just PM Kise. We'll need him to prod/flip Mastin either way

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Hi SL, welcome back

I know you have to put someone in the red column but me? really?

so are we lynching mastin or waiting on the prod?

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So we're avatar talking now?

can I do Diablo quotes?

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That's a duck?

Also Baltar is Hunter S Thompson obv

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maybe the mastin2 prod went to mastin instead? Is Kise alive?

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i guess we can just wait for myko on the 21st

maybe we could play some mafia in the meantime?

I can set up vengeful game. I'm not allowed to PM any of you guys since we're in a game and all, so you'll just have to guess what roles you got.

Day1 starts now. 5 alive takes 3 to lynch

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I am NOT a mason with Poro

He is just trying to gambit with me because of that myko game where we steamrolled scum without him

Vote Poro

He's the godfather, obv

Poro is lynched he was the godfather

Fate the triple voting lyncher has lynched his target. He wins

There was no town, so they win too

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you can't even fake claim while youre here?

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we can still lynch AGOTI if you dont want to put mastin out of his misery

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lies

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No claim from Mastin who is at L-1 and was asked to claim.

If you pretend there is no pressure on you it might just go away

So we lynching mastin yet?

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did mastin ever claim, didn't notice one in his long post

note, not asking for a claim just making sure i didn't miss one

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just making sure

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vote: AGOTI

scum realy didnt suck this much back when i used to play

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wait is town mastin worth not mislynching with reads that are so wrong?

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^scummy post^

So mastin, did you even pay attention to the screed you put out? I really laughed at the part with farside can't be a roleblocker because RB+Doc means the scum would never kill anybody!

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Outguessing myko in these is stupid
did mastin play in any of these before?

and lolhispostswere5hoursofeffort

yeah that was funny too

actually after rereading I'm not feeling mastin as supertown as before. Anyway still happier with an AGOTI lynch, but could go back to mastin

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laimed tracker follow you, so unless your in cahoots together, then thats not right. Also AGOTI please.

are you even reading along

OK so pretty much every facet of mastin's don't lynch me tirade is innacurate and self-conflicting

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vote: mastin

can we lynch him now?

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VPBaltar: 4 (Regfan, mastin2, AGOTI, Fate)

a girl on the internet: 4 (VPBaltar, springlullaby,

Porochaz,

farside22)

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For future reference.

He was tracked last night...

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VPBaltar: 4 (Regfan, mastin2, AGOTI, Fate)

a girl on the internet: 4 (VPBaltar, springlullaby,

Porochaz,

farside22)

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For future reference.

He was tracked last night...

AND DERE WAS NO KILL

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

so youre saying Poro is scum that chose to no kill

great theory!

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vote: AGOTI

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I broke Fate. I'm sorry. Shouldn't there be a black hole or something?

I think AGOTI gave him syphilis

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seatbelts dont protect against STD's
neither do kneepads

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 4&sr=posts
Look who doesn't love us again...

yes, he shouldnt have been left off the hoook
thats ridiculous

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 4&sr=posts
Look who doesn't love us again...

yes, he shouldnt have been left off the hoook
thats ridiculous

Weren't you saying not too long ago that a list that Mastin made was so bad it had to be town?

I'm at least admitting my stupidity in following through with my deal yesterday.

No, the vibe of the tone given off by mastins post made me feel that he was town. But superficially I felt he was just wrong. Reading more into his reads just showed he was making shit up so that he wouldn't get lynched. Now that he's not getting lynched he doesnt give a crap about posting here obviously. He has even popped his head in to complain that his SUPERTOWNREADOFTHECENTRUY is getting lynched. Yet he's posting novels in his other games. The excuse that "oops I forgot" doesn't really pan out anymore

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:

waves

:

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I see how it is
I'm not good enough to get recruited by fate scum

Don't make me join forces with Poro and shout loudly at oncoming clouds

lynch you

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it's too late
you can't undo this pain

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so one of Poro/Llamarble given farside's targets N1/2 seem like a good place to start?

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so one of Poro/Llamarble given farside's targets N1/2 seem like a good place to start?

What? Im confused, farside never blocked me.

sorry got the Regfan tracking you, him getting blocked business all mixed up
I'm happy with Llamarble at the moment still catching up on early day activity

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I think the Doc claim depends on if anyone is cleared. If Doc doesn't claim, mafia still have to hunt them. Tracker and RB can clear/not clear two more players. Doc might still live. I don't know, to me it looks like it could be better waiting on massclaim. But I think the difference is pretty academic at this point.

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@Shafted -

Way I see it doc is very obvious and has been for a while, odds are mafia do hit them tonight and I want the information they have from their saves even if it is just Farside and myself saved.

Meh, I don't think the Doc is that obvious. What's obvious is that with one outed powerrole N1, two outed powerroles N2, and a pair of claimed masons including Fate obvtown who is now dead; the pool of likely cleared players aside from the dock and claimed power roles is 1 living person who isn't getting lynched today. If the Doc can clear someone else, they should claim. But just clearing themselves really doesn't add anything.

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ninjas dont punch, they karate chop. But this "slipup" could be WIFOM

@Regfan, it's pretty damn obvious that the scum don't know who the Doc is also, too

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i'd hate to be THAT GUY

but mastin is verging into Jester territory

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I'm not buying 4 scum. I'd say maybe 20-25% chance of a recruitable traitor role (that would explain at least one no kill I guess). So more likely only one scum. You blocked VPB last night and there was a kill. You're really weird by the way. Previous day you block VPB and no kill, you say he's not scum. Today you block VPB and there is a kill, now you want to lynch him.

That's a really piss poor example of Elli town. That's definitely something a scumbuddy would point out because it's ridiculously obvious that it is a blown fakeclaim. Someone is going to notice that, might as well get town points.

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I blocked VPB night 3 as well and there was no kill. So you think the scum team didn't do a kill on one of the nights?

Which you oddly didn't want to lynch him for yesterday. I think there is pretty good evidence for a doc in the game. Why aren't you going after Llamarble? VPB is 50/50 cleared/guilty whereas Llamarble is 1 for 1.

How is that piss poor example? So you think Elli scum would not tell his scum buddies about the flash and keep the janitor safe. Instead he buss's his buddy and is the first to show the lie.

So you're saying that DGB scum would? I really dont see how anyone could let their teammate have such a piss poor fakeclaim. But I can also see scum assuming their buddy wouldnt be thick enough to claim a non-existent role in a semi-open game. However, if this is the product you're selling we should be lynching someone who is absent minded, stupid or inexperienced.

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Your blocking him with a kill going through. He's not the lynch unless/until we lynch scum and the game doesnt end

is my stance really that complicated?

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So how did 5 unclaimed become 3?

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@ Shafted -

Porochaz visited no one N2 meaning mafia already know he's not doctor and likely is a VT. Mastin didn't claim when at L-1 meaning he's not doctor and likely is VT. So as I said the pool of who the doctor is includes three people with the doctor being obvious.

you're not supposed to tell them
I don't think they would have figured it out, they already claimed a role that can't be in the game

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@myko, could you let SL know the game is up and running plz?

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sorry i fail at reading

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Earth to mastin, we're waiting for your claim

Regfan decided to give the scum a lesson in powerrole hunting, so there's no use in trying to close pandora's box

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bah, why did you do that?!

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@Regfan, could you not use that avatar
its terribly confusing

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mastin claimed VT

show me the post and i'll claim

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I confused Regfan and mastin

i wonder how that happened

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mastin claimed VT

show me the post and i'll claim

Why are you delaying the process? Regfan made a point already about Mastin.

because mastin is a suspect of mine and I'm not assuming anything

Regfan's done enough to assist scum, i dont think we need to keep building mastin's claim for him

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Also Im not 100% cool with this mass claim.

it has to happen now due to reg fan basically outting the doctor. We may as well glean what we can from this train wreck of a mass claim at this point.

This

Between Llamarble and Regfan's verbal diahrea there is no turning back



And yes whatever is 'making' you have that avatar needs to be corrected
Alternatively we could just lynch mastin

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Magua can probably confirm (Though he's not in the game)

sorry i just had to laugh about this
carry on with your regularly scheduled game of mafia

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I told you I'm not letting mastin off the hook no matter how much you want to claim for him

IMHO 3 Doc saves >>> 2 Doc Saves + Saulus

Also Why are you ruling out successful RB's farside?

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Fate will yell at you

oh wait

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Any scum worth their salt

wouldn't claim a non-existent power role in a semi-open game

Finished your sentence more accurately

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glad you bring this up now

Too tired to respond to Amrum properly but 1-shot vig isn't in the role list, she's confirmed mafia. Lets get this going.

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VPB obviously not the right lynch for today
farside also is not confirmed town
Possibility of 3rd party non-killing role negates fourth scumteam member and balances the setup IMHO as its a "wasted" lynch for town

I'm VT

SL you're turn
please no setup discussion between now and SL's post
kthx

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mastin more likely scum

I'd put Elli towards the bottom of the unknown pile off of read. But from various tracking/RBing info Elli moves up some by default

right now I'd rather have a Llamarble lynch

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um...you're the only one who hadnt claimed SL

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also dun dun!
weird situation ahoy!

Llamarble and VPB must be the scumteam?

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OK only ways to explain no kills

Farside RB successful
Scum flaked and forgot
Saulus recruitment

If we exclude forgetting the only setup I can see is
N1-Llamarble gets blocked by farside = no kill
N2-Mafia recruits VPB = no kill
N3 - VPB gets blocked by farside = no kill
N4 - Llamarble submits the kill = Fate dead

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Three scum and a Saulus with the only town PRs being a tracker and a roleblocker? Nah, not happening, someone has claimed VT as doc. Only logical explanation that I can think of.

i dont see the point of that

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I really dont know exactly
but with no Doc claimed and a ton of missing kills, it'd be pretty stupid not to start with the people that were roleblocked

given of the claimed roleblocks
-1 is a proven town aligned only power role
-1 was blocked on a night when a kill went through
-1 was only blocked on a night with a no kill

It seems pretty obvious where to start


The Doc not claiming now would be very very stupid. Scum can now use the "oh I didn't want to out myself" approach to fake claiming doc since we have a swath of VTs.

VOTE: Llamarble

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Also, your theory is beyond bad shaft.ed. The idea of four scum vs a RB + Tracker for town as the only power is something that no mod would consider and no reviewer would approve.

well Saulus isn't guaranteed member for the scumteam
I guess the more likely could still be just a missed/deliberate no kill by mafia, but bein that effed up why keep digging the whole deeper?

Assuming a flaked kill: mastin and SL should be at the upper end of a lynch list
Assuming a planned no kill: I have no idea Llamarble maybe so he wasn't the only RB'd player to line up with a no kill? Having to do it again after a confirmable role was blocked?

Still multipe theories point to Llamarble. I dont really see a better lynch for today. Maybe mastin?

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Since we already have a block on Llamarble he should be 1
just sayin

unless you really want to take the Rube Goldberg approach to this


I'm still not buying back to back no kills by scum. If that is the preferred theory, it does drop Llamarble down on the chain of possible scum since he's been active throughout

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elli why did you claim VT first?

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Of course the only useful protect is on the deadguy

OK so Regfan/Elliberth circle target. Elli or Farside die during the nightphase unless farside hits scum/scum fake a no kill (which would be stupid with 2 confirmed town power roles running around the next day)

So in all likelihood we come in tomorrow with a confirmed tracker and a likely town roleblocker and three or so shots at the remaining scum

Ythill was quite likely the NK target N1 meaning Doc protect is slightly more likely than Llamarble block. Regfan is town so Doc protected Fate. VPB was blocked last night so unless fourth scum Doc also saved Regfan N3.

And all this means is that my main suspect is less likely scum

wippie. Why did we have to massclaim again?

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SL wasn't the doctor because Ythill was the obvious N1 kill target. Unless you believed that Llamarble was blocked trying to kill Ythill N1

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Elli's been a pretty obv townread for me the whole game
not sure what you're getting at

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I was just arguing that what you were providing wasn't a reason for Elli to be town
Don't think there arent others
Main thrust was to point out that VPB is a bad lynch because it assumes four scum

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I'm voting for one of mastin or Llamarble today

Elli, which one should it be?

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Fate could have been doc, but fakeclaiming masons would be a ridiculously stupid thing for a Doc to do.

And yeah I've been dropping "hopefully subtle" Doc crumbs here and there to try and draw the kill.

Maybe we can assume scum don't know what theyre doing?

mastin also doesn't seem to know what he's doing...


still annoyed by the massclaim btw

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Im going to be away for the next 3 days by the way.

so you should probably reply to your PMs then

Unclears:(1) Shafted, (2) Llarmable. (3) Porochaz, (4) Mastin

Poro is semi cleared

can we lynch Llamarble now?


Does the Janitor have to make the kill to use their power? I thought that it was an independent ability.

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@shaft.ed: If you believe there is only one scum left in the game how is Porochaz not confirmed? According to regfan he did not go anywhere on N3. Do you believe scum would not perform a kill if so why?

i believe its more likely that there are three scum. That is why poro is semi-confirmed
That is why I want to lynch Llamarble or mastin today

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because their is an outside possibility of four scum

I like to argue, and I was annoyed that you were trying to lynch VPB when he is not optimal


LM was blocked with a no kill. Yes i believe it more likely that Ythill was Doc protected, but that is a point against him. He rode Fate's coattails for dear life and I think that has white washed his read for a lot of people. That said he's on a good position on the Amrun wagon points for. But missing from the zoraster wagon points against.

And finally PoE. For game balance I believe your claim. I'm also getting a pretty decent town read from you. Regfan is either ridiculously lucky guessing where you went last night or cleared. VPB is cleared unless there is a second living scum. Poro is cleared unless there is a second living scum. I have a pretty good town read of Ythill/SL and there is a chance that his slot is confirmed by Elli's Doc save. I've had a town read on Elli all game, there is incredibly likely a Doc and he can be confirmed (or more likely killed tonight).

So that leaves Llamarble and mastin (from my perspective, obviously for everyone else I'm included in this unknown list too). Llamarble has the RB against him mastin doesnt so Llamarble gets top billing. Without the RB I have a more scummy read on mastin and his scatterbrained play matches with the piss poor job scum are doing. Like I said, I'm happy as a clam to lynch mastin today too.

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I'd put Elli towards the bottom of the unknown pile off of read. But from various tracking/RBing info Elli moves up some by default

right now I'd rather have a Llamarble lynch

What did you mean by the above?

Of the pile of players that we had no role related confirms on (you + Regfan) I had a town read of Elli. I'd say I'm reading SL/Ythill and Elli as pretty likely town. But since VPB and poro are partially cleared they bump up to more likely town based on pure odds. Bottom refers to how much I wanted to lynch them.

I was just arguing that what you were providing wasn't a reason for Elli to be town

I disagree with this. Lets look at what you said again:

That's a really piss poor example of Elli town. That's definitely something a scumbuddy would point out because it's ridiculously obvious that it is a blown fakeclaim. Someone is going to notice that, might as well get town points.

This sounds to me like someone whom is thinks Elli's behavior is more scummy. Why would you point out that what I call a town tell is something that is more likely coming from scum if you found Elli obvious town?

I have a bad habit of arguing for the sake of arguing. What I was trying to say is that isn't a strong town tell like you are making it out to be. Elli essentially drove the final nail into a coffin that was already buried 6 feet under, had a big heavy headstone, pristine green grass growing above it and a bunch of people dancing ontop of it. I don't think it shows likelihood of being town or scum because it could be a townsided player pointing it out to pile onto the lynch or it could be scum going for bus points, but you were stating it was an ubertown tell.

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I think at this point I'm pretty happy with a mastin lynch. Town in this situation should be involved and setting up strategies. He's pretty disinterested.

Night plan looks solid enough

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so Elli you done?

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I am targeting Spring tonight, he is unconfirmed.

youre really bad at this WIFOM stuff you know

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Actually scum making 2 attempts to kill Ythill in a row makes a lot of sense too since they'd have no idea the protector was a white mage and Ythill seemed powery.

que pasa?

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I'll hammer later today if he doesnt show up

farside has a decent point about the Fate kill. mastin is a good lynch either way

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OK time to end the misery

VOTE: mastin2

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so who's the fucking moron that tried to kill a tracker with a Doc in the game?
Not like there are an abundance of them on the current playerlist

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I dont know, killing Fate also points to inattentive scum

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Am I crazy? Or am I the sanest person you know?

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I'm sorry, I'm just joking around with you because its fun

To me there's a slim chance of 4 man scum, but freakingn out about it isnt going to help anything. We'll know pretty well by tomorrow.
Mastin is a good lynch in either scenario

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damn it you guys ruined my perfect replacement record

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oh it was TAJO that mastin replaced?

<_____<

NO I CALLED THAT SHIT DAY TWO ALSO

LOL

mastin really should have been lynched yesterday
dont know how he got off the hook

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But I dont think he put that much effort in. His reads made no sense and contradicted eachother.

It's like he took a post from another game and played mafia Madlibs with it

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Scum shot Ythill N1 (protected), fate night 2 3 and 4. Since Fate was protected N2, kills on N2 and N3 didn't go through.

LOL
LOOOOOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

why didn't N3 go through?

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jeez thats powerful

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myko, i think the game was well run. With the wicked pace, deadlines wouldnt have come into play.

As far as balance goes that's really hard to assess given the replacements and the scum getting utterly steamrolled. One thing about Docs is that they are a lot more swingy than people give them credit for. While most of the time they dont do anything, when they are successful they can cripple a scumteam.

I havent seen your other Flash Mafia setups, but if you're planning a fourth I would say don't feel pressure of making it a "new" setup. Revisiting previously used roles isn't a bad thing.

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mastin I really appreciate your epic effort put into games
but i really wish you had put as much into the game thread as you did your quicktopic

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rambling in thread would have prevented your lynch I'm pretty sure

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I forgot to mention one of my favorite parts. When I correctly Doc crumbed a protect on Ythill.

He was bleeding town N1.

pay more attention scum!