Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Bunnylover]

/confirm
This thread has too many pictures v_v

[Bunnylover]

The recruits:

Ooba
xvart

Magister Ludi

Herodotus

Yes.

Vote: Magister Ludi

[Bunnylover]

@ML: I think your ruling out the possibility of a roleblocker, recruitment doctor, recruitment immune people, etc. Cult is hard to beat, but it isn't impossible.

[Bunnylover]

Perhaps. But I don't want to even mention any hidden chance town has to win against the juggernauts.

Who would you have recruited?

Me personally?
I would have done ABR.
After ABR, then it would be pops.

Oh wait. What the hell am I doing.

Unvote, Vote Katsuki

Obvious lurker recruit is obvious. How could I forget that ._.
More then likely, I would say Katsuki is ABR recruit.

"One lucky vig, does not a great player make."

-Albert B. Rampage

This is so much fucking WIFOM that I want to burn it with fire.
Seriously.
Why the hell would you have to be a CR <_<.

@ML: To be honest, I've forget. I think it had something to do with you trying to take an early control of the game and control on who we focused on. I know I had somewhat reason for voting you.

[Bunnylover]

@Dry-Fit: Mainly its because Katsuki was a cult recruiter from a Reck game, and used lurking to win the game. I would assume Katsuki would try to do the same as a recruit.

[Bunnylover]

Got some catching up to do.
Will do it by Wedensday(I'm off that day).

[Bunnylover]

Bah, really really really hate culted games.
Why did I sign up for this v-v.

@DGB: who are you voting v-v?

[Bunnylover]

Vote Ludi, and I'll send you cookies in the mail or naked pictures. Your choice.

Can I have both?

Unvote, Vote ML

[Bunnylover]

What? Who are you talking to, prozac? I didn't vote ML.


Guy is scummy as hell, though, and the wagon makes as much sense as anything else.

Sorry wasnt talking to you there, Ive had a long day. That was about DGB's vote and Bunnylovers sheep. Both need a reason and dont have it. Im voting you for what I said in previous posts. Its mostly meta based.

Your point?
How does one cult hunt? I mean the only partner would be the cult recruiter. So all you have to do is just play the game. Its Day 2 where you will start noticing shift in play that will start revealing who could be culted.
Any reason I give for a vote will be shit. But if you must have one, so you can call it shit I'll give you one.
Its pretty much the same reason for my RVS vote. I don't like how he tried to take a early control of the game. He tried to make us focus on certain players instead of letting everyone put in their info.

Now I feel that that post diction was too dark, so here something to lighten up the mood.

[Bunnylover]

@Zenek: Yes, because I think both recruits would have attacked Yos at least once in the day. And no, I don't think he's recruited.

I don't like how he tried to take a early control of the game. He tried to make us focus on certain players instead of letting everyone put in their info.

I believe DGb prefers to be referred to with feminine pronouns.
What? You weren't talking about DGb? But you just described her playstyle, and no one else's...

What? You mean I ignored the play of someone who I played several games with and therefore have an idea of how they will act as a third party! OMG NO! NO it can't be!
I think you get it ;D.

[Bunnylover]

ML
ThAdmiral
Chronopie

My 3:

Seraphim
Seraphim
Seraphim

....what?

Okay, fine:

Seraphim
Chronpie
Bunnylover

My reasoning for Seraphim: I can't actually say, precisely, because [REDACTED] is an ongoing game. But his activity here SUCKS. Iso him, you'll see. Then check his other site-posts.

The other two are also lurkalicious: Let's clear out the deadwood first, and then the people who are actually CONTRIBUTING can help us find scum tomorrow.

Do you understand why this is scummy :O?
Lets lynch the lurkers, because the cult recuriters will go after someone who actually has a chance to be lynched and leave alive the people who contribute who probably are recruited and therefore has a higher chance of been scum.
If this wasn't a cult game, your thinking would be correct. Because this is a cult game, your thinking is wrong.
Cult plays differently from scum.

[Bunnylover]

O god I love this. This is even better than one of my patented name claims. Please, get 100s of useless results. I mean, seriously, at BEST there are two people who MIGHT respond to this that knows SOMETHING, and they won't name themselves. Who in the world could really know ANYTHING.

What are these names going to accomplish?

hahahaha

Carry on. I mean, haven't you realized yet? If you do not kill one of Albert or myself today the game literally becomes a choice. Either choose between myself or him. We will both recruit faster than you can lynch, even assuming you get one every night thereafter. There is no amount of killing roles or unrecruitables that could stop that without greatly effecting the actual gameplay.

Day One is the day of the town.

Day Two begins the day of the cults.

Run your town as you will, tomorrow, your only hope becomes to hope you get recruited and not lynched by the other side so you can provide more numbers for your team.

Dance little puppets. Soon your strings will be cut.

You act as if your only enemy is town.

[Bunnylover]

You act as if your only enemy is town.

Are you claiming to be part of another scum group in this game?

No. At least not yet.

@Herodotus: No one ever does . Basically trying to scum hunt isn't how you cult hunt.

[Bunnylover]

trying to scum hunt isn't how you cult hunt.

Just because there are differences doesn't mean that doing something scummy is no longer a scumtell. And I don't see how it makes NS scummier.

Its because he was trying to get us to lynch lurkers while letting those who contribute live. Well in a cult game who are you going to recruit? Someone who isn't going to be a town read to people or someone who going to be a town read?

[Bunnylover]

Someone you expect will survive. They can't easily tell who will in the future be a town read. To some extent they can't even reliably predict who will lurk.
And I'd rather see those who are contributing live, in general. Lynching lurkers means you're more likely to lynch scum, and it means that on later days, the survivors will be easier to read because they participated.

Your thinking that were hunting scum.
We aren't.
We are hunting cult.
Your also not considering the fact that cult number goes up as the day number goes up, while scum doesn't. Which means you can afford to lynch lurkers because on later days you can do what you said.
This isn't a scum game. Its cult. Their is a difference.

[Bunnylover]

A little behind on the gmae.
Will catch up.

[Bunnylover]

Deadline less then 26 hours away.
Still a little daze and confused on this game (mainly cult + Day 1).
The chances of us hitting cult are very unlikely.

semi-/prodded again.

Those exams I mentioned in the signup thread as probably around D2 start:

Tomorrow (Wednesday 15th), Monday (20th), Tuesday (21st).

that is all. I'll be able to get into the swing of the game properly after that.

--

Even if two of your main suspects are on a wagon, that doesn't necessarily mean a wagon is bad. This is Multi-ball. Even if Yos is recruited, that doesn't mean Xvart isn't. etc.

But if both your main suspects are on the same wagon, wouldn't you avoid that wagon because obviously both recruit are on that wagon v-v? Or are you assuming that one of his reads are wrong?

Unvote

[Bunnylover]

Vote: ChronoPie

Not really seeing the xvart recruit and yos seems too obvious of a recruited to even try and WIFOM recruit.

[Bunnylover]

About to read this thread.
You guys post a lot <_<.

[Bunnylover]

@Bat: Its not that I don't know how to play a cult game like this, its just when I have time to read the thread, you guys have posted about 25 pages and it makes me go UGH X_X.

@Claim from Yos: It really doesn't matter if Yos claims or not. From this point on, unless a person is recuritable or a commuter or a hider, it doesn't matter what their role is. If they are culted, they have a fake claim which would be their town role.

On DGB,

I wondered why I wasn't suspecting DGB for her play in day one, and then I realized I had no idea. She was all over the map, and I her pushes on people didn't nesessarily read at all pro-town.

The fact that her master plan was bollocks, she had an ability and apparently failed to use it (this doesn't sound anti-town at all...), and I'm not sure her reasoning behind her vote today, I am quite happy with my vote.

(plus whatever the heck Kinetic is talking about, but don't factor that into anything)

Shouldn't we be trying to find inconsistence between people plays?
A townie turned cult should shows some signs of playing different.
Trying to lynch a person who has kept constant in their game play doesn't make sense at this point, unless you believed they are the Night 0 recruit.

My plan wasn't "bollocks" - you didn't see it in action, and you know, neither did I but I believe it could have been really helpful.

I probably shouldn't bother, but Kinetic-scum's BS post above is not only wrong, contains a least 3 points that don't make internal sense or are verifiable inaccuracies.

I've seen your role PM DGB. I paraphrased it a bit, but that's your role. And now you're lying about it. I was planning to stop you by burning down the building that you told everyone to go to today, thus I didn't need to dissuade the town from following your plan, but now you're lying.

Why?

DGB told us to go to a certain building D:?

Hmmmmmmm...........................................Not understanding the reason to why DGB needs to be lynch or wants to.
Kinetic has seen your role apparently.
So what?
It does not say you are recruited. It does not say you are town.
The information only helps ABR and tells everyone what yoru possible power are.
So what?

[Bunnylover]

Kinetic has seen your role apparently.
[...]
The information only helps ABR and tells everyone what yoru possible power are.

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

He has not, he's lying and you are believing his hot pile of horse manure.

What part of he's-a-lying-confirmed-scumbag aren't you getting??? He doesn't see my role, what he describes is not only a complete mismatch, but completely preposterous taken on its own merit.

LYNCH ME

D: I'm not believing him!
I was just giving a "ok lets assuming he telling the truth."
Frankly I really don't give a damn what ABR and Kinetic says as its all WIFOM. Best to ignore them.
D: This is why I don't understand why you want to die.

[Bunnylover]

Vote: ML

[Bunnylover]

IM WTF AS WELL

BUT I THINK THIS IN INDICATIVE OF DERPNESS RATHER THAN SCUMINESS

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON MRS DGB AND HER SCUMMY WAYS OF CONTRADICT HER STANCES

o.o Because reads and stances can never change?
Especially with DGB who has a spastic playstyle.

[Bunnylover]

Im here and reading.

[Bunnylover]

HOLY HELL
THOSE DGB/CR INTERACTIONS ARE TERRIBAD.
WE HAVE CULT HERE FOLKS.

VOTE: DGB

o.o This post has me believing Katsuki has not been recruited yet.

I think this Porch lynch is happening a little too fast, especially without clarification from the starter of the wagon (claim guilty?).
I believe he said 1 out of 5 people he had as suspect could in fact be guilty (I thinking sensor). So at the moment he could just be going with his gut reaction.
Everyone else going, "I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SAYING. VOTE THE PERSON YORU VOTING."
o.o Unless I missed something.

[Bunnylover]

I have a cop result stating that porochaz is a recruit. I hadn't yet said whom my result was on, but that doesn't mean I wasn't planning to.

I think we should bank some time by lynching soon, now that my result is out.

Knew I missed something v_v.
So should I vote Porochaz, more then sure he dangerously close to a lynch, or are we still discussion stuff out?

[Bunnylover]

Before I read, why haven't our shooters (assuming we have roles that can kill) try and take a shot at the cult leaders <_<?

[Bunnylover]

Also:

Vote: Herodotus

[Bunnylover]

Because they're tree-stumps and cannot be killed. that's the point. We only have to hunt the recruits, not the recruiter.

Oh lol duh, idiot me.

[Bunnylover]

Anyways, we definently need to be lynching DrippingGoofball today.

I can't believe this wagon doesn't have any more votes. Yesterday she came out and gambited in the hope no one would lynch her, and it worked. She claimed that we needed to lynch her for some unknown reason because otherwise town loses, (so we don't listen to the confirmed scum, which we aren't and weren't doing anyway) but then drops that line of thought to persue other votes, and never mentions it again.

Also not to be forgotten is her insistence of living through day one so she could hatch a master plan to catch the scum, but when day two rolled around her plan amounted to a pile of sawdust, and yet she got away with this massive gap in logic scot free.

The following is also a series of quotes by Tajo the detail some other inconsistences.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p3148192

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The following people I think are town, know are town, or unlikely to be recruited, as of day three. I'm debating whether or not massclaiming in an effort to expand this group is nessecary. At this point, with five potential cult out there and only townies dying by night, another mislynch is game over for town.

Magister Ludi
Yosarian2
Herod
Herods Inno
Cobble
xvart (based on the fact CR's would be scared off by wagon)

Hey I was reading your posts.
You've been calling DGB scum, saying we need to lynch her.
WHERE IS YOUR VOTE ON HER?

Also:

Vote: Herodotus

????

Either Hero was recruited the previous night or Hero was recruited this night.
I doubt that the recruiters would allow such an obvious pro-townie role to survive in this game if he was not recruited the previous night.
Also I would highly suspect Kinetic/ABR of been a bastard (jokingly of course ) and recruiting Hero as punishment for killing their recruit.

[Bunnylover]

Looks like Bunnylover is paying zero attention to the game like a good little scum.

A Herodotus vote and hoping for a treestump vig...

Stop using the damn word "scum"
This isn't a "scum" game.
This is a cult game. They are different.

<_< And the frontpage of the role for the cult recruiters say nothing about them been treestump or I missed it, so get@me D:.

[Bunnylover]

Have you read the thread, Bunnylover?

Yes, but I have a lot of things going on in my mind.
<_< Did I miss something again?

@DGB: D: I don't know what IIoA means.
And no I didn't o.o. Is that a trick question x_x?

[Bunnylover]

IIoA is "Information Instead of Analysis" - one of my favorite wikitells.

Hey I was reading your posts.
You've been calling DGB scum, saying we need to lynch her.
WHERE IS YOUR VOTE ON HER?

Pushing OTHER PLAYERS to vote?

o.o Not really, I was pointing out how ML is calling people "scum" yet doesn't lay down a vote.
If someone needs to die and/or is scum, isn't the appropriate thing to do is vote them and therefore show you are in favor of lynching that said person?
At the moment, it seems like ML is trying to test the water for your lynch, without actually been the head of it.

[Bunnylover]

At the moment, it seems like ML is trying to test the water for your lynch [...]

Mmm yeah, but how much of a scum tell is this?

I do believe his claim.

I don't know. I've seen people use it as a scum tell.
K you believe his claim.
Your point?
This is a cult game. Everyone starts out with a town pm except for the cult recruiters and I guess the night zero recruites. That means any claim is going to be real, but it doesn't matter if its real. What matters if that person is still town or not.

[Bunnylover]

@Springlullaby: How do you know he was Kinetics? I know he said he was, but I mean we can't take his words at full value.
Also its not such a good idea to eliminate one cult group.
Normally the way a cult group wins, is by having majority of town under their control and nothing preventing them from winning. As long as their is two cult teams, they can not achieve that win condition.
As long as their is two cult teams, they can kill each other recruites.

Eliminating one team means we can no longer afford any mislynches (not that we can afford it now, but you get my point), because we have to kill 2 recurites every day and night (1 kill each day and night). Otherwise we keep cult at steady number, and therefore they just have to sit and wait till we lose by majority vote.

Now of course this is ignoring vigilante, unrecruitables, and etc. But they can be killed as well.

Preview Edit: @Spring: And no I did not read that =/.

Unvote

And here I thought I was actually been helpful, but once again I was just been an idiot

P.Preview Edit: STOP POSTING SO I CAN POST.

[Bunnylover]

Hey I was reading your posts.
You've been calling DGB scum, saying we need to lynch her.
WHERE IS YOUR VOTE ON HER?

I voted her all of yesterday while I was here, and while trying to figure out the Seraphim business I went v/la and only came back today. So yes, I think she is cult recruit, and I would be voting her If I didnt have role information taking precedence over that.

At the moment, it seems like ML is trying to test the water for your lynch, without actually been the head of it.

This is clearly false. Did you read anything of day 2. Actually, all these inconsistences have me question whether you are reading anything anyone is poting or not.

I am. But I don't remember every single thing a person point out. I know you called DGB out yesterday. I know that.
But what you haven't explained is why your vote never was placed on DGB today?

[Bunnylover]

You lie.

Yos should claim his target N1.

Not his ACTION. I don't want his action. I want his target.

Unvote
Vote Seraphim

I went back to look at your ISO.
It seems (or I think) you meant to vote DGB, but never voted.
Which would explain why you unvoted when you never placed a vote.

Was your intention to vote DGB in your previous post?

[Bunnylover]

"Don't believe scum"

"I'm KINETIC'S RECRUIT"

Porochaz has reason to lie about that. Why the hell are you all believing him at face value?

To make you jumpy of course

[Bunnylover]

BL, don't chat up the scum, and please vote Katsuki.

But Katsuki isn't a recruit.
I'm fairly positive that Katsuki is still town.
And don't worry, just poking a bear

[Bunnylover]

I'm fairly positive that Katsuki is still town.
And don't worry, just poking a bear

Nor reason given = rubbish post

D: But I've gave my reason when I called her town before.

[Bunnylover]

Prod Dodge.

@Xvart: If I'm voting someone for said tell, would it not be strange to make the conclusion that I believe it is a tell?

[Bunnylover]

@Katuski: Why would you be fine with a DGB or Tanarin lynch? Given that you said this in response to a question about DGB possibly being Kinetic recruit:
"
Given what I saw yesterday, it certainly is possible.

"
Why would you even consider another lynch if you have inside information (or did I misread the above?) about the possibility of DGB been recruited?

@DGB: Why are you playing so differently from previous game I've been with you? Your play is starting to remind me of when you where an SK in that one game I forgot the name of .

[Bunnylover]

@DGB: Why are you playing so differently from previous game I've been with you? Your play is starting to remind me of when you where an SK in that one game I forgot the name of .

Each game has an atmosphere. I soak it up, I add my own spices. The last person to meta me was ABR. He made a huge case with tons of quotes from several games. I realized I couldn't argue against it, and had to accept my lynch. He was dead wrong, I was town. You can stop the insinuations.

Was that Metrotropolis or whatever with Inner IC and stuff like that?

Bunnylover- Why are you playing so differently from the previous game I've been with you? Your play is starting to remind me of when you were an SK in that one game I forgot the name of .

I've never been a sk before.

[Bunnylover]

If there was N0 recruiting, then Katsuki or tajo is still scum.

I can't decide which, though.

Tajo's pretty contaminated upon re-reading.

Can I have opinions from the rest of you, regarding tajo vs. Katsuki?

I can't see the forest from the trees. One of these two is scum. Maybe even both.

Bah.
I'm starting to rethink my town read on Katsuki.
But Tajo been tunneling you pretty hard.
I would say Tajo.

@Kinetic: Each recuiter should have a possibly 3 recruits (N0, N1, N2). We eliminated one recruit putting one of you at 2-3 possibility. Where is the logic in listening to you (who is confirmed scum) when the possiblity of you just trying to get a mislynch to happen so we end up in a situation where (town) can't win?
Even if DGB is ABR recuit, don't think so, lynching her would leave ABR with 1 recruit and therefore he's still alive.
Now the reason you want DGB to be lynch is because if she flips ABR recruit, THEN YOUR VICTORY IS CONFIRMED AGAINST HIM, assuming Poro was ABR recruit. You no longer have to worry about ABR as he will be down 2 recruits from you. You can even afford to lose one recruit. Now all you have to worry about is Town, while town is still worrying about ABR and yourself.
Now, unless you want to reveal how your cult recruiting work and explain to us how ABR will be gone forever if we lynch DGB, then I suggest you stop posting.

[Bunnylover]

BL, that's why you don't listen to the scums.

If Poro was ABR's recruit... then from Kinetic's PoV, I cannot possibly be ABR's recruit... because that would imply that Poro did everything he could to kill a fellow recruit. So right then and there, you should know that Kinetic is a nonsense spewing factory, and you'd ignore him completely.

If anything, Kinetic is one man down, and he's trashing like a fish on a hook, because we're on to Katsuki and tajo, which, if I'm right, will lose him the game.

Oh I'm not listening to him.
I don't believe him.
Most of my post are "Lets say I believe you" situation.
Too bad I don't.


KASTUKI:

@Katuski: Why would you be fine with a DGB or Tanarin lynch? Given that you said this in response to a question about DGB possibly being Kinetic recruit:
"
Given what I saw yesterday, it certainly is possible.

"
Why would you even consider another lynch if you have inside information (or did I misread the above?) about the possibility of DGB been recruited?

@DGB: Why are you playing so differently from previous game I've been with you? Your play is starting to remind me of when you where an SK in that one game I forgot the name of .

[Bunnylover]

KASTUKI:

@Katuski: Why would you be fine with a DGB or Tanarin lynch? Given that you said this in response to a question about DGB possibly being Kinetic recruit:
"
Given what I saw yesterday, it certainly is possible.

"
Why would you even consider another lynch if you have inside information (or did I misread the above?) about the possibility of DGB been recruited?

Where did inside information come from?
I've been calling DGB scum based on play.

You said "Based on what I saw yesterday"
I assumed that meant inside information.

[Bunnylover]

I find it highly unlikely that cobbler was recruited N0, given his play (from what I have seen from other games) and all. Plus other players availiable for recruiting.
Considering all the pressure he received D1, I doubt he was recruited thereafter.

As such, your vote would be much better served on DGB, who's constant rhetoric is

"blah blah Kinetic blah so I can't possibly be skum!"

, and

"town are all idiots, you all suck"

. Her play this game is near identical to the later stages of OOT mafia, where she was scum.

Oops. When reading your ISO when I asked the question I misread Cobbler and Chrono so I thought there was a blatant contradiction with what you were saying.

Well, considering that it's almost 90% certain that someone tried to cult recruit Andrius N1 and FAILED, it's not likely.

Huh?

Oh I'm not listening to him.
I don't believe him.
Most of my post are "Lets say I believe you" situation.
Too bad I don't.

What's the point of "let's say I believe you" questions when you don't believe him at all?

Awaiting votecount, then I'll be voting Katsuki. Bunnylover makes a good lynch, too.

So I should just let Kinetic go unharm?

[Bunnylover]

Prod-dodging (I think).
I have time to read this game (because I can't skim it like other games), tomorrow so you will hear from me if anything catches me eye.

[Bunnylover]

I am a little weirded out by the way DGB pushing the theory that some cult member tried to recruit her and failed, especially since she's not claiming unrecruitaable here. Her case against Tanarin in post #2215 makes some sense, but the way she really seems to think a cult recruiter (actually, Kinetic specifically) tried to recruit her and failed bugs me.

Its not really a stretch if you listen to what DGB is saying, or read Tanarin post. It actually make sense.

Vote: Katsuki

[Bunnylover]

UGH FUCKING SHIT.
Dislike that we killed ABR off . We needed him to counter act Kinetic, but oh well.
DGB recent scum hunting post is what I've been waiting for. I find it strange that it took you awhile to finally do your style of hunting, but I still say your town.

[Bunnylover]

Dislike that we killed ABR off .

Wait.

You're UPSET that we, as TOWN, are one step closer to winning? What. The. FUCK.

Vote: Bunnylover

DGB. FlameAxe.

Can one of you tell me what I might be thinking about last night?

Really? Are you not looking at the big picture?
I mean look at Kinetic first post this day. HE IS EXCITED THAT ABR IS GONE. WHY? BECAUSE HE CAN KILL AND RECRUIT WHOEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS TO KNOW.
While ABR was alive, Kinetic had to choose carefully who he wanted to recruit and hope that ABR doesn't kill of one of his recruit or attempt to recruit the same person and therefore it would be who sent in their action first.
If you truely think taking out a cult fraction at this time and point was more beneficial then hurtful, then we are going to have to agree to disagree. Because I don't see it like that other then we are 1/2 done with our win condition (ABR down, Kinetic next).

[Bunnylover]

@DGB: I'm going off the bases that they can either recruit or kill during the night. Bascially going off the pm on the first page. Rather or not thats what the cult pm is, i don't know. As for ABR death, Kinetic is much closer to his win condition then we are to ours. All Kinetic has to do is recruit every night till he gets a majority, if ABR was alive, he had to make sure his number stay above ABR for the win.

@Ooba: A little early on the claming.

[Bunnylover]

Thanks all for ignoring me...

This please:

DGB, ooba, Ludi and Bunnylover.
Can you give me points I have to look out for when I am skimming through the 99 pages?
All of you separately please.

Oh, and if somebody can explain the how the map works, please.

unvote: darox

I agree with ooba thinking about the killers being bad. The sample role pms showed us that there is a possibility of a mafia in this game. From the posts made on this day, I have reads on some players and I like daroxtown more than tajotown. Seraphim's posts remind me of a scumposts.
Reread has to wait a little while. I'm not home.

@mod: May I have an awesome name as well? Right now Fritzler's name is still in the opening post.

Done, sorry about the delay. Your name is difficult to work in...

oh sorry, i thought you were saying something else about me v-v.
I don't know what to give you as advice. Since this is a cult game, pretty much every single point that everyone has made is important as a change of opinion the next day/day's can result in a change of alignment.

[Bunnylover]

There is no helpful information to be gained from me saying whether or not I was there. If there is helpful information, don't you think I would claim it? So you are stuck with me being scum or there not being any useful information. All you've tried to do is out me as a PR. ftfy. I'm not claiming, so you can drop it.

Its a simple yes or no question, just answer it o.o.

[Bunnylover]

There is no helpful information to be gained from me saying whether or not I was there. If there is helpful information, don't you think I would claim it? So you are stuck with me being scum or there not being any useful information. All you've tried to do is out me as a PR. ftfy. I'm not claiming, so you can drop it.

Its a simple yes or no question, just answer it o.o.

Since when did you replace in...

I'm waiting on hero to claim result.

Why aren't you reading the thread

[Bunnylover]

Im actually like the points that Ooba is pointing out about DGB.
And I wouldn't put it over DGB or Kinetic to start a plan where Kinetic attacks DGB just to have something you can say that your town of.
Also Ooba is right in that it is a cult tell if both cult team want you dead.
1) ABR cult wants Poro cult more dead then town cult, because ABR cult can recruit the alive townies while they can not recruit Poro cult.
2) Kinetic cult knows that the chances of a DGB lynch won't happen and therefore would push for your lynch and distancing yourself from them.

[Bunnylover]

@Hero: Did you not read anything down from that?

[Bunnylover]

@Xvart: Its more risk then reward. But Kinetic must have known that they don't flip who recruitment they are and therefore could push the idea that DGB was ABR recruit (just like DGB push that poro was Kinetic recruit).

Also Ooba is right in that it is a cult tell if both cult team want you dead.

No. This is not what I said.
- Scum teams in multiple scum games always hunt for the other team
- It's a Kinetic cult tell if ABR's recruits want you dead
- Poro, Kastsuki both wanted DGB dead strongly

Well I interpreted as I did v_v.

Yeah, share reads, yeah, that was sarcasm.

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Bunny:

1) ABR cult wants Poro cult more dead then town cult, because ABR cult can recruit the alive townies while they can not recruit Poro cult.

ABR cult was porochaz cult... what is town cult... what is this even saying??

<_< That should be Kinetic not Poro. I could have sworn I said Kinetic o_O.

[Bunnylover]

I believe Darox's claim.

Doesn't mean he's not culted, but I believe the claim.

If Kinetic tried to recruit me and failed Night 1 (I believe there was a N0), thus thinking I was an ABR recruit, then he didn't recruit Tanarin/Darox on that particular night.

I agree with this. With Darox claim, it makes much more sense why Kinetic was crazy about you.
For this to be true (which its looking likely), that means if Darox is culted, he isn't the night zero cult.

Blah not paying attention. It wasn't a anti-recruitment doctor that Darox is. But this is wifom, but its possible, if the cult have an ability to kill maybe it can only kill players that are town. Therefore since Darox protected DGB, he assumed that DGB was culted.
Although that just a bunch of wifom =/.

@Tajo: =/. Really a fake claim? Now I know im not the player to point this out, but are you paying attention? Unless your assuming that Darox is the night zero recruit, every player started out with a town role. Therefore Darox probably isn't fake claiming, the question is rather or not Darox is culted or not.

[Bunnylover]

Forgot

VOte: Tajo

[Bunnylover]

Unless your assuming that Darox is the night zero recruit, every player started out with a town role.

You know this to be certain?

Not certain.
I am assuming. But I am fairly positive thats it true.
Lets say our Vigilante is town. He's recruited night 2, and gets his cult pm or whatever. Well he still has his vigilante pm, therefore why lie about his role?
The only plausible explanation for why a person would lie about his role is because he/she was a night zero recruit and therefore never received a town pm. But even then, their is still a possibility that our mod gave everyone a town pm, then sent out the night zero recruit pms.

[Bunnylover]

The only plausible explanation for why a person would lie about his role is because he/she was a night zero recruit and therefore never received a town pm. But even then, their is still a possibility that our mod gave everyone a town pm, then sent out the night zero recruit pms.

what about someone that got a vanilla town PM and then got recruited?

They would still have to be notified that they got recruited and therefore still have that "Town VT" pm.

[Bunnylover]

I don't mind if we mass claim

Vote: Tajo

[Bunnylover]

Look at your posting style previous to DGB death and now.
A difference is noted.

[Bunnylover]

Look at your posting style previous to DGB death and now.
A difference is noted.

but you were ALREADY voting me before DGB DIED

Unvote Vote: Bunnylover

o_O Your point?
I thought you were scum yesterday.
Think your scum today.
So where are you going with this? You asked for why I voted you in that post. I told you why.
Now are you asking for why I think your scum all together? Because thats a different answer.

@Batt: His posting style is basically shrugging off the fact that DGB flip town. Lets all forget how hard I (tajo) pushed DGB lynch. Lets all forget how I (tajo) tunneled and tunneled DGB. Only to have DGB flip town by an unknown force killing her.
Their isn't any remorse, thinking, or consquences present in his post about DGB flipping town.
You find that all okay?

[Bunnylover]

But Hero was protected, and therefore, would soak up a recruitment.

He was protected from kills. Of course, chances are the cult-doc targeted him too but Darox didn't cult-protect him.

@Ludi: I'm not an "Unrecruitable Townie".

Shit. Got that mixed up then. I support massclaim now, as it's either 11:4 or 10:5

I put up what I thought were very good reasons to lynch bvoigt all in one post several posts ago in my iso.

I'm also going to have to take a look at the people who have flown under the radar since day one (xvart now, maybe a few others), as they grow more attractive as the days roll by.

I'll look at that when I get some more time.

Look at your posting style previous to DGB death and now.
A difference is noted.

This pushes it to a vote. His posting style previous was him trying to get DGB lynched. DGB died. Now he is posting differently because he isn't trying to lynch a dead player... This seems like an easy scum vote to me.

Same goes to NS.

VOTE: BunnyLover

Batt, a quick question.
Why vote me over ML?
I have a guess (two guesses actually one that is scummy one that is okayish), just wanna see if I missed something.

[Bunnylover]

@Hero: Usually I see town mention something about the flip. To me it seems like Tajo was trying to brush it under the rug.

@Batt: I know you fin me scummy for that, but you've also said the same about ML. But you choose me not him. What put me over the top for you?

[Bunnylover]

@Tajo: Your reasons for calling Darox fake claiming. You were sold on Darox been the night zero recruit, I don't know why, and wouldn't believe that he had a town pm at all. To me it sounded like you knew the night zero recruit doesn't get a town pm (of course I believe they do).
Then your tunneling on DGB. Not once did you believe she was town. You tried and achieve other less harder lynches then her to make connection that she was culted/scum (im just gonna call culted scum =/). Now after tunneling her for 3 days straight, she finally flips town, and your reaction to it is nothing.
No, I don't think everyone who thought at one point or another that DGB was scum should feel remorse as you should. They were looking around for scum, they listen to both side of the story.
You on the other hand tunneled her. Didn't really care for what she had to say. You basically "Knew" she was scum in your head and that she would flip scum.
Your style of posting changed as well, you've became clam.
Until I pointed it out, now you've reverted back to your CAPS LOCK style of aggressiveness.

[Bunnylover]

@Tajo: Nothing is preventing him. But why would they fakeclaim anyways? I just don't see the logic in fakeclaiming when you have a real role you can claim.
I'm not saying you not saying sorry (DOUBLE NEGATIVE FTW) was what caused my vote. It was the lack of even recognizing Darox and DGB flipping town, one who you thought was fakeclaiming and the other who you tunneled.
I don't really see DGB tunneling you, maybe its because I'm used to her play style. I mean wasn't she back and forth with her read on you?
I don't know, your post seems different towards me. Less aggravated.

[Bunnylover]

bunnylover, just to be sure, are you impying I was culted yesterday night?

also I agree with batto. Game shouldnt stall because we are waiting for the next claimant.

I'm not sure when you were culted.
But yesterday was when I believed you weren't town, so it is safe to imply I believed you were culted Night 3 or sooner.

@Batt: I understand that. But lets say I'm a mafia Jack of all trades. Should I fake claim that I am a doctor or cop?
Its the point that Tajo thought he was fake claiming.
I just find that weird for a person to fake claim in this type of game where we know we have VT, power roles, etc.

And in post #2964, right before you voted me. You said
"same goes to NS"
x_x Sorry I thought it said ML.

[Bunnylover]

VT. All I can do is visit.
Tajo next.

@Tajo: More evidence? I have very little reason from previous days, I need all I can gather to get a player like you lynch. Are you implying that you can not act like you are town when you are scum?
But in a game of culted, it doesn't matter what role you claim. That what I'm trying to say.
He could claim whatever he wanted, in a cult game it doesn't matter. Because if your voting said player, your voting him because you think he is culted and therefore he can use his townie pm.
So fake claiming doesn't help in the situation at all.

@Batt: My playstyle hasn't changed. Yes I've become more active. Why? Because I am currently off of work (2 days ), and therefore I can keep up with the thread and post. Just wait till Friday, and you will see me back into my regular posting style .
As for the other thing.
"Here how I acted Day 1 and Day 2. I should probably continue to act like that Day 3."
"Oh shit, DGB gone. Maybe I should just cool it and hope no one notices the difference."

[Bunnylover]

Seriously.
Slightly less than half of the players supported a massclaim, so Ludi requested bvoigt claim, and

he did it

? And bunnylover went along with it too? We haven't even heard from xvart, yos2, or conspiracy.

x_x Sorry.
Didn't think nothing of was wrong with claiming till I claimed.
Going against mass claiming. It really doesn't help us (the whole cult still has town pm arguement blah blah blah).

[Bunnylover]

V/LA till im not sure.
Storm coming my way, not sure if my power will be cut off or not so I'll have limited access.

[Bunnylover]

Im off of V/LA.
Storm turned east v_v.

[Bunnylover]

@Bunnylover: You claimed VT, but Flay's sample role PM has the word Townie. Why?

Well a townie is a VT, so I just put VT.
In the pm (I just checked), the link says that a Townie can be called Citizen, Vanilla Town, and one other thing.

@Cobbler: Why are you focusing on Flamexe not claiming, but not the other two people?

[Bunnylover]

Pretty sure everyone is still following the idea of popcorn claiming...aaaand....

Tajo next.

This post is the exact stance that Flamexe is taken. He has not backpeddle over this stance.
Flamexe believed everyone was following the plan.
Guess what?
Not everyone wanted to follow the plan.
That means Flamexe had the choice to claim or not to claim (If he was the only one to not claim, I mean he really doesn't have that choice).

So where is he saying that he supports a massclaim? I don't see it in that quote.

Cobbler your vote is grasping for major straws. Even if he did go from supporting massclaim to not supporting massclaim, I can not see the benefit from a cult member doing that. Its more beneficial for cult to want to mass claim so they can get who role is who, isn't it? So how does all of this = Flamexe culted.

Tajo your vote isn't good either. He "pressured" people into claiming? All he did was quote me saying who would go next. He didn't go out and attack you for your claim. He reminded everyone who was next. I don't see it as "pressured".

"You have something to hide and maybe you didn't talk about what to fake claim in your QT."

- From Xvart.
So are you assuming that he is going to fake claim instead of using his real role?
Or are you assuming he's a night zero recruit?

[Bunnylover]

@Flameaxe: Well I disagree with the votes on you and how I see your stance. So of course its going to be similar to what you've already said. Your stance is in black and white, and I believed if I posted it, people would realize that even an idiot like me understands it and they will quickly understand it too v-v.

[Bunnylover]

I think i've missed a few pages.
Will read them tonight

[Bunnylover]

Is there a reason they'd have it in a cult-game? ConSpiracy is super-tunneling town.

Okay. What would you have done if you were the second wagon last day with about 3 players that actively suspected you?
Right, fake-claim the most anti-cult power ever.
I don't know if you've heard about WoW-cult mafia, but the GF got as fake-claim a

cult doc.

..

NEVER BRING UP WOW-MAFIA AGAIN.
DO YOU HEAR ME?
DO NOT BRING THAT UP.

Vote: Xvart

[Bunnylover]

ML- I hit scum, er, someone about to become scum so it sorta counts. Why do you say we need help, when town was only able to lynch one cult (w/o investigation). Do you disagree with anyone being scum?

NS- Why did you kill Andrius?

Bv- I've been trying to kill bunny, but someone always does something that puts them ahead.

lol you've really been trying to kill me?
Sorry to inform you, but im still town.
How does your ability work? Is it like NS ability where you either target a location (which is probably why you've been missing) or just target a person (which I don't know why you would miss)

[Bunnylover]

Reading and caught up.
Nothing caught my eye yet.
Basically a prod dodge.

[Bunnylover]

Really dislike Zdenek last post on page 134.

[Bunnylover]

Who are our unrecrutiable people again?

[Bunnylover]

Why is that important Bunny?

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Anyways, I'm probably leaning towards a ConSpiracy lynch now too after a reread. Once everyone checks in and posts, i'm going to put a vote down there.

At this point in the game, if we take the unrecuritable, ML, ML target (Yos), me (Still town), shouldn't it pretty much give us the list of culted + 1 or 2 townies?

[Bunnylover]

@Bat: Yeah I consider that. But wasn't their only 2-3 people who didn't claim (Flamexe and someone else)? Having a list of people who are more likely to be culted allows us to focus better on who we need to instead of focusing on everyone and miss things we normally would not if we focused on a lower number.
Also I doubt all the scum would claim Unrecuritable, due to flavor.

[Bunnylover]

I really don't see how this is anti-town.
Maybe its flawed in ways, but I don't see how its anti-town when this is possible lylo

[Bunnylover]

Flameaxe's refusal to claim has reached a distracting and anti-town level.

Why only Flameaxe has caused this?

[Bunnylover]

@Amrun: How are they different?

[Bunnylover]

It occurs to me that we could test ConSpiracy's commuter claim, by just having him commute tonight and directing one of the two vigs to target him tonight. Of course, if he's telling the truth it still wouldn't mean he's town, but perhaps we could rule out the possibility of him being a lying cult roleblocker.

I think we are still in the game because our vig (or vigsw) are still able to kill people (cult), which prevents cult from just slowly outnumbering us.
If we use one shot to test this, it might be game over for us.

[Bunnylover]

Yeah, Im afraid the game is over.
Something tells me Amrun just claimed cult and therefore knows

[Bunnylover]

Failure of the Town: Bunnylover.
I played like shit this game. So embarrassed by it.

Fun game though. As I suspected, cult had gotten one of the Vigs. I should have gone after Batt during the last day, I know something tipped me off he was recruited but I can't think of what atm.