Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

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Seriously, I'm the one whose probably learning more in this hydra.

She controls our vote. She has more experience. Me? I'm here for the ride. And to make fun of scum chesskid, 'cause he's really obvious.

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But lets label those players A,B,C, and D.

A, B, and C are scummy enough to be mislynches.

D is scum.

So assume that we do it 1 lynch per day.
A
NK
B
NK
C
NK
D
NK

So that loses us 7 townies to 1 scum.

The way he proposed loses us 4 townies to 1 scum. So it would end up saving lives.

The question is, is the game breakable this way. I would tend to say no.

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go read Jahudo's game >_>

Stupidity is alignment neutral

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why isn't Katy scum?

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ISO her

Sorry, not today. She's been on my watchlist since the ISO #7, but ISO #8 was fairly good, and overall I'm not sold.

So sell me Chess.

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Yeah, no, Gandalf is not hostile to me. I've been told that specifically, by PM.

That's NOT softclaiming, Chess.

As for your lol daykill, lol, stop being a derp.

P.S. Faraday, you're an idiot.

i'm assuming this is greyice so i'll take that as a compliment from someone who's incompetence in pick your power got himself lynched.

Yeah, it was so incompetent to call two of the scumteam on day 1, and to call you obvscum. My reads were terrible, however could I have read you as scum? (YOU WERE OBVIOUS)

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Continue to not understand the SGR wagon.

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What is this shit?

Mod: Replace out as IceyCupcake, Katsuki hasn't posted in ages and it's too annoying for me to be basically playing under an alt

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Vote: SGR

You know what? On second thought, I don't really want an explanation, I just don't care.

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I'm a fucking moron, disregard everything I have said in the past 1 hour.

Yeah okay, that makes...


No shuttup

[GreyICE]

Seriously, do us a favor, and don't post again in this thread, there's no way you don't get lynched here. If this is your idea of a bad joke, just go die.

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I'm serious, if you're town I'm policy lynching you so hard and so fast in every game I play with you.

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DONT KNOW DONT CARE

PROBLEM SOLVED BY BULLETS

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So, you're basically saying IceyCupCake is out and GrayICE is in? When was the last time Katsuki reported?

Well, to prevent delaying the game any further, I'm going to count your activity as IceyCupCake until you confirm me Katsuki hasn't posted in a long time (send me a link via PM or something. )

Some point day 1. There was a post in the hydra QT saying he didn't have time for the game at some point.

I can't really confirm when one of us posted or the other, but I think it's fairly easy to tell ICE has been flying solo here for a bit.

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Also like we're voting for SGR so hardcore.

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He claimed scum in the thread.

Like Fate does this, but like... he's not fate.

Why are we arguing with claimed scum?

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Die, SGR.

Die.

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Shut up.

Die.

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Who cares?

He's a stupid mongoose and he should die.

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I have to agree with SGR at the moment. He is been used as a scapegaot.

What is this I don't even

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I have to agree with SGR at the moment. He is been used as a scapegaot.

What is this I don't even

Why are you lynching me?

BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED SCUM IN THE THREAD AND THERE'S NO MOTHERFUCKING TOWN MOTIVE AT ALL TO DO THAT.

SO YOU DIE DIE DIE.

NO ONE DOES THAT AND LIVES

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VOTE: SGRAIZE

VOTE: SGRAIZE

VOTE: SGRAIZE

VOTE: SGRAIZE

VOTE: SGRAIZE

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UNVOTE

VOTE: SGRAIZE

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No lets kill things that are named SGR.

PV can die later.

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I have a flavor of investigation as one of the abilities I can use. It tells me if someone's bears hostility towards me. I doubt it works on undead period (I'd probably get no result if it's like most of the rest), I don't know how that would interact with third parties, but I'm fairly certain how it interacts with scum.

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You started the game suspecting Gandalf, but halfway through day one you started to defend him. This would make perfect sense if you had obtained information on him then...

except the rules say that abilities used during the day resolve during twilight, so you couldn't have

.

And don't get me started on how weird it would be if you investigated Gandalf despite already having a town read on him, after the way you criticized Katy in #1465 for checking out the masons.

Do explain, because this does not add up.

The answer is fairly simple. Me and Katsuki disagreed somewhat strongly on this issue. I didn't see how the hell he had a town read, he just said 'well this isn't scum Gandalf lol ICE.' Okay, it was longer than that, but that's the summary.

Anyway we agreed that I'd follow Kats' lead. If he was scum, we'd be unlikely to be killed for defending scum strongly, and we could always claim PR results. If he investigated town we didn't have to do that sudden switch in behavior that tips scum off about cop results.

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How about we eliminate SGR? That's a process

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What the FUCK?

Katsuki you're alive lolwut

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soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
we're not lynching pere
or sgr
because fuck lynching scum



fuck y'all i'm gonna ignore this game until someone in it grows three brain cells

cummmon bowser, ur basically a pokemon right
evolve into '4 brain celled turtle'
the extra two would help us

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Oh for FUCKS SAKE VAYA

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Fine yeah we're third party.

The final member is Gandalf, which is why I said the moderator said he wasn't hostile to me (it's in my role PM). Unfortunately since they had a quicktopic, both of our partners defective little brains shorted out, and they decided that they were scum. Gandalf in particular has decided that he must play this game exactly like he's scum, which is driving me semi-insane. We WANT the game to continue, and at this stage that means killing as many scumbags as possible and preventing kills (mass RB says hi). Sadly Gandalf's sad little brain has kicked the bucket, and the last few posts he's not even trying, so I got nothing. Maybe this will kick his lame ass into gear and get him to actually do something pro fucking town.

You hear that you little scumbag? I've kept you alive through massive effort and you've answered by posting things like #2192 which is a scumclaim to anyone with half a brain jesus christ stop sitting there thinking of new ways to look scummy and try to find OTHER SCUM.

See that? OTHER FUCKING SCUM. TRY TO FIND THEM.

Oh his point gain is when undead die and he's a part of it (he was on the lynch), so apparently that has made him vote happy as hell. He's the anti-town part of our third party which I'm trying to convince him not to act as because three of us want the game to go on longer. If you want to lynch him at this point, be my bleeding guest I can't be arsed to care anymore. If you want to confirm us non-mafia kill him.

We'd help the scum if and only if you guys were slaughtering them (to keep the game ongoing longer and get more points). Just deduct the three of us from the number of living players, and you can see why I was suspicious of SGRaize.

I do have a bevy of powers at my disposal, the mass RB was indeed one.


As for what this means:

Look at the people pushing Gandalf and Dry-Fit. To the scum, they were targets as scummy townies. Especially look at people boomeranging back to the (flaked) Dry-Fit when they ignored all the other flakers in this game (and we've had dozens). I assure you beyond the least little shadow of a doubt scum is in that group and scum is all over the Vaya wagon.

P.S. There are essentially 4 less players alive. Today could be the day before LyLo.

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The votes don't do anything in particular except give me points, but I think they should continue. I've been trying my damnedest to help this town, when I could have sat back, been more-or-less neutral and let this game run its course.

I can also be really annoying. Like I can give people post restrictions, would you like it if a bunch of people had to post in Spanish tomorrow? I can do this!

I'd PREFER not to, obv, because I can do other things that actually help the town rather than annoying you derps. We need you to lynch scum because Bunnylover will NOT tell us how many points we have so we're dazed and confused about where we are and we just want the game to go on to doomsday. But if you're not giving me points, well, lynching me would give me some

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3- A Gaggle of Geese
5- Riceballtail
7- Bunnylover
15- PeregrineV
16- BabySpice
17- Surye
18- Zdenek
19- Spyrex
20- inHimshallibe
21- SGRaaize
23- Feysal

This is the player list if you remove us. It started out with 10 more townies on it.

Now if you consider what this means, it means that the original game had 21 Town/Scum players in it. That means either a 4 or 5 man scum team, since we're pro-town I'll lean towards five.

Meaning that today, with 11 players alive, it could be 7:5. And multiple deaths can occur.

You see now why I still don't like SGR. It's very possible that we're in MyLo.

I did not want to reveal ANY of this, because two of the four adventuring party (including me) are a stone bitch to kill. Specifically, any phase I want, I can commute. Which means no shooting me, but I can't do anything else. The mass RB was the first action I've actually taken, every other phase I've commuted, and I was hoping to draw some night heat tonight.

BUT NO

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Vote: SGR

So, since it's basically MyLo/LyLo unless we get lucky with power roles, it's highly likely SGR was NOT joking when he made his posts. He was inexperienced scum who hasn't learned celebrating in the thread is a very big no no.

@SGR: Very likely scum knows about us. Your play has gotten increasingly erratic including pressing Vaya for being OBVIOUS scum then unvoting when Vaya claimed to be... not-town. Like claiming a third party is a reason to unvote.

Your reasons for not lynching Peregrine are psychotic.

My feelings are very strongly that you and Pere are scum together, and you want one last little town lynch. Everything today points to this.

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Also, if we have a mass alignment claim, Vaya can detect evil as one of her powers. DryFit only managed to action once, but he proved that Mana_Ku was evil.

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Frankly my dear, I pay attention to Gaggle, Wraith, and now SpyreX. The rest of ya I don't trust either because you're probably scum or you're probably driving me insane in some way.

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Wait, so you win with points or with a survivor wincon? If it's with points what the fuck does it matter with town vs. scum numbers?

Vaya FAILED at running this points to win gambit, outed the whole team, and now they're trying to get us to look away lolololol.


BTW, not a bad guy. Fuckall if I can prove it, I just take chunks of life out of people if I choose.

'cause game ending means no more points. Right now, that means we're pro-town. If this had turned into a slaughterhouse of scum, we'd probably be pro-scum, but that hasn't happened so well.

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Vaya isn't "town"

And.. *gasp* GI's Gandalf-save is Gandalf being not town??

And *double gasp* Wraith trying to dream up scenarios where da goose and I are scum is coming from... not town?

BE STILL HEART

Yo Gaggle I think you should paraphrase what I said in the QT last. It'll have more impact coming from you.

I want all of you dead. Every last one. Blood for the blood god.

SpyreX, I only claimed because you literally CANNOT AFFORD TO LYNCH US at this juncture.

You'll be lynching people who want the game to continue while town dies. And we're not survivors, at the end of the day, we do fine if we get the points we needs. The mod just confirmed that we're not wizards, so you know we're telling the truth.

Also you just keep voting for us or see how you like talking in Spanish tomorrow. Or if I'm feeling mean, Japanese.

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We earn points together, and we win or lose together, hence us defending each other in thread so strongly.

We need 7 points to win, and we earn a point per 7 votes 'that count.' I think all votes from outside the party count, but no clue. Other members of the team earn points too. I have no idea if we ever leave the thread or what, etc. I wish I was making this shit up, I really do. As for losing points for claiming nothing in my role PM says that, so if that happens I'm just replacing out of this. Losing points for something we weren't told not to do would be the absolutely perfect end to this uphill battle versus the moderator.

As for mod confirmation Feysal, way to kibish your entire post at all the wrong times. Snow just revealed Vaya's alignment in thread, she was not town or scum. That's mod confirmed third party there.

Lots of bullshitty votes without any explanation flying around in a possible mylo. Yes we provide a buffer that prevents quickhammers, but this is still a whole lot of derp from a whole lot of people.

PEdit: No, we get killed for claiming shit in this game, sorry SpyreX. I don't fucking care if you want to whine about it, go check the post where Snowbunny CONFIRMED OUR FUCKING ALIGNMENT and then explain how we could be scum.

If the town were winning badly, no shit I'd be working my ass off to help the scumteam, which would make me scum, but that's not happening. Going after me here is going to rival your fucking derpery in PYP. I'm helping you until scum are mostly/all dead because you just don't have townies to spare. You need us, we need you, so fucking stop whining and continue to play. 'cause all I'm reading is 'shit I had these cool theories and they're all dashed to pieces so I'm taking my fucking toys and going the fuck home.'

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Two choices:

1) I full claim and use nothing but commute for the rest of the game unless I don't.

2) You accept I help the town, and let me help you. 'cause I ain't fond of claiming, and I ain't seeing a good reason to here.

Commute - you LOSE YOUR VOTE FOR THE DAY (go find us on the vote counts day 1 after Pine said he was attacking us, 'cause we ain't there), and cannot be targeted by any abilities, and this action cannot be blocked.

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lol

Fine then.

I can commute obviously.

If I did that in the previous phase, I can take any item I know the name of
I can investigate an item and learn all of its abilities
I can investigate a role and learn all of its abilities

I can give two players +1 damage on their attacks twice per game
I can protect two players from all weapon attacks once per game

I can give four players a restriction of some form (whether it be 'must vote for ICE in every post' or 'must post in Japanese' or 'May not use attack abilities'). It lasts one phase.

My spells 2 1 1 2
1 - ability occurs first whatever else happens
1 - ability occurs last whatever else happens
1 - roleblocking mind effecting ability
2 - 3 damage to every player

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And frankly, at this point you either believe us or you don't, SpyreX. So go bugger off and find some scum, it'd be a real novel idea that you don't do much.

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No man, I'm saying that you have sold yourself on your pet theory and are now basically butthurt you need to come up with a new one.

Face it, the idea of us being some flavor of mafia after the day 1 request for votes, the Vaya flip, our abilities, the fact that SB does this regularly, the fact the details match, everything is INSANE.

You are married to this idea of Gandalf, Dry-Fit, and me being the scumteam, who all just claimed to protect each other for the hells of it, and are just basically throwing a tantrum in thread that you need a new theory.

It's really grinding my gears here, and going 'slave your abilities to me' is lulz worthy.

It's annoying, it's ugly, and I'm fairly tired of it.

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Nah. you don't claim non-town on day 1, that's stupid.

As for the day 1 mason who lived through 6 action phases telling me what to do, dun think so.

Now we can get back to hunting scum or you can keep derping all over the thread.

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Oh for gods sake of course masons alive at this juncture are scummy. Especially when one of them was one of about 4 players playing the game.

I have been trying quite hard to find scum, so to have you roll in here and go 'trololol slave your abilities to me' is a fucking slap in the face. Much less try and tell me how great your reads were etc. etc. and how we sucked when I was trying to stop you from lynching NON-SCUM.

So tell me again what flavor of jackass I am, you pompous prick.

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The problem specifically is that neighbors don't confirm anyone. I can't decides if SGR is flailing in a townish manner, or flailing scum grabbing for WIFOM lifeline.

If we use POE:

AP:
ICE
Gandalf
Vaya
WC

3rd party
BS - lyncher or SK

Town:
SpyreX
AGOG
RiceBallTail

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Pool:

15- PeregrineV
17- Surye
18- Zdenek
20- inHimshallibe
21- SGRaaize
23- Feysal
25- CLS(?????)


If we set aside SGR, then:

Surye - still have a partial town read from LMP's replace out and there's so many other good candidates

PereV - possible mislynch? That makes me cry. Frankly, we'll have Gandalf take him out tonight if no one minds, if he's scum win, if he's undead town, we win, so well...

CLS - I got nothing. I cannot explain this in this list. I'm assuming some sort of invisible townie. If he's setting these artifacts up and he's town, he should be kicked in the nutsack, especially for day 2. Oh gods day 2.

Remaining Pool:
Feysal
Zdenek
inHimshallibe

I could make a case on ANYONE in that pool, cause they're all scummy as shit.

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Sorry if you've already said it GreyIce, but does your team win as a whole or not?
As in the point you all gather are collective as a whole or you each win by your own win condition (You could just need 12 points, the other people need 392 points.)

We win as a whole, lose as a whole. All for one, one for all.

Gandalf can beat the crap out of PereV, if he survives it he's non-town, I'd rather lynch someone town.

If there's a SK it's a two man team that claimed masons, I've been convinced of this for some time.

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*someone scum.

Vote: Zdenek

Haven't liked him in forever

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Gandalf, frankly, at this point I no longer care. I stuck my neck so far out for you and all you did is post scummy posts at every opportunity. The above are the first signs of solid town reasoning you've ever displayed.

And. You. Aren't. Scum.

Excuse me if between you and dry flake I've been ripping hair out trying to figure out how to keep this party alive. I mean this is basically your once-per-three-day check in to make sure you don't hit prod range, not that anyone gets prodded in this game but well

And something interesting actually happened this time, so you don't just get to vote for the latest wagon and leave me sitting trying to contain a fountain of rage for this play and explain to others yet again why you aren't scum when I can't come up wtih a bloody good reason why anything you've done resembles town play.

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lawl he's so obvious too.

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I say the scum are unifying behind the 'lynch the third party' standard. I match my scumspects to the people attacking us and it's pretty damn good, Feysal.

We prevent no win conditions, jesus Christ why would we be Anti-Town if we PREVENTED THE GAME FROM ENDING?

Then we'd NEVER have a reason to help the scum, all we'd do is try to kill them ASAP so there were less kills flying about then score points, which is easier to do by having people vote for me and healing people than it is by trying to systemically kill the undead or something and frankly towns are good enough at lynching townies that wouldn't exactly need to help.

Or are you suggesting the town has to lynch us to win? 'cause then we're a scumteam. But instead of just winning when all the town are dead we win when we meet a complex series of hoops that we have to jump through AND KILL THE ENTIRE TOWN.

I see the scum are rallying behind the third party idea, it's the general way they sleeze towards it and spend more time pretending to sound townie than actually think townie that gives them away (SpyreX is the town retard, but he's town. Just a retard).

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It's funny what I know here.

The scum have sent roleblocks and garbage into me since day 1. It explains why Feysal was so suspicious of the cop claim - his faction sent a roleblock into me phase 1 (like they did last phase - you think I hide

every

phase? Silly Rabbit).

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It's stated in our win condition that the points are totaled when the game ends. We do not stop said ending, and can win if we're all dead.

How on EARTH would we stop game ending?

Also with a whole total ZERO scum flips what goddamn town reason would I have to lie to you?

Also I think it's mass claim time.

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And it totally starts with Feysal, because that was a

scum

teehee I thought of a great fakeclaim to explain all my actions, not a town action.

Feysal is confirmed scum folks.

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Well yeah because scum will be fakeclaiming anyway.

A general ability claim is fine, I don't care what flavor the role has or what race you are. Alignment would be nice because we can confirm that.

Feysal sooo said that he's been planning this fakey for days, thinking that I actually give a shit about his claim when he's acted this scummy.

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Unvote

Vote: Zdenek

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No thanks, I don't negotiate with scum.

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Nope.

First, if scum outnumber town, you probably achieve your win condition and the game ends thus freezing our point gains.

Second, trusting scum is inherently unsafe because you guys have an ability to plan outside our sight. The masons do too, but on a much smaller scale.

Third, of course you're going to tell me everything we want to hear.

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No thanks, I don't negotiate with scum.

oh god you realise the GAMBIT potential you had, if we had derp scum here?

Yep, but the inherent risks would be the town takes it seriously because we don't share your win condition.

And it's not like the scum wouldn't turn on us if you guys did...

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5 scum
1 third party lyncher?
4 third party neutral (Pro and anti town)

15 townies?

That's fairly vicious balance against the town, but on the outside edge of what's possible, especially if we assume the game design that went into this is... questionable (given I've had at least one of my abilities retroactively altered for 'not being fair' when I tried to use it, we're going to assume this).

So, confirmed scum:

InHim
SGR
Zdenek
Feysal

Probs scum
PereV
Surye

It's like a fucking buffet.

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Jesus, if it's a five man scum team and there's 10 dead townies

Literally Baby spice is the only thing standing between you guys and total oblivion.

No wonder SGR started dancing in the thread.

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Hmm, interesting idea.

During the night phase, townies use only non-damaging abilities. Masons exempted, ofc. Got it?

Again SpyreX, going to have to trust me, not that you do

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oh wat

but with the claim shenaanigans and day 2 5 is HARSH

I got one of my abilities altered after I submitted an action, because the moderator didn't like the OUTCOME. She thought it was UNBALANCED or some shit like that. I think this design can change on the fly.

(For reference, I tried to use my post restriction ability to make 4 players post their full rolename at the start of every post).

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NIGHT PHASE

Twilight phase town can do whatever, I just want that one phase clutter free. We get two phases now.

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One of our teammates has an interesting little ability. Only I've fullclaimed remember, and go check those puppies out. I ain't the only with a mass action.

And yes it'll help the town, it's just not fun if it's expected.

PEdit: You letting fly shouldn't clog our radar.

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Haha, this is epic. So it sounds like we've got Peregrine on BeatDown Row, Adventurers kill SGR, we lynch Zdenek. Two scum left. How is Inhim and Feysal confirmed scum?

Actions, in that they were soooo pushing for 'we have to eliminate Gandalf TODAY because he's a major THREAT' and they didn't even consider that scum might be, I dunno, a threat too, whereas Gandalf knows better than to kill town right now

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...

GI, you realize if you had told me that before we probably wouldn't have had a huge yelling match?

That's the most beautiful use of a PR ever (and this no claim thing is a monkey anywho so)

I know. I shed a little tear when I couldn't do it. I'd have said it was clever use of game mechanics, but apparently having Inhim, Feysal, Zdenek and Peregrine kick the bucket was a tad unbalanced for some reason.

I'm under some stress this week, so I apologize for my shouting, I am a jackass. Friends again?

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Oh god Inhim needs to die.

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Just so we're clear:

Goose and I can help make inHim dead TONIGHT right? (or other hijinks ohh night action chicanery)

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I'm a jackass too (and you can actually META this but god in heaven it takes a lot, a LOT for me to get personal and for that I really, really apologize).

I mean there's still a kernel of doubt and you guys could be a scumteam that just ran for the win but you know what?

That takes brass ones. I'll support losing to that versus the pile of f--

SpyreX, not dicking with you here.

We can win with town or scum.

Yes, some of our point scores are pro-town, some are anti-town, from an objective standpoint on day 1 if we'd claimed you probably should have lynched the lot of us, or at least tightly leashed us.

At this point we need room to be unpredictable and gambit too, because we're much more likely to win if the town wins, just because of the added game duration.

Also, I have been known to annoy some people It usually doesn't get personal for me either but... meh, shitty month, topped off by last friday.

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Well yea I figured you can win either way and I dig that.

Part of it is bias but with masons coming out that early if you guys did too that's such a steamroll waiting to happen that I may have chucked in my lot with the town AND had the added "scum wont try to kill me because worst case I switch sides like a dirty Benedict Arnold"

Which could happen anywho but realistically you're the rabid bulldogs and scum is jack the ripper. You need the bulldog to keep from getting slit even if you KNOW if you sneeze wrong that bulldog will rip your throat out.

But I did more or less throw in with the town and keep you guys away from our team.

Plus there would have been all sorts of noise about Vaya and Gandalf and we'd have had to make up fake win conditions and shit to pretend the entire party was neutral or pro-town with all of their win conditions at all times, easier to just avoid that noise.

Now you can accept we've done things like kill Katy, and we're not very sorry about it, and we'd do it again, but not in the here and now

[GreyICE]

So there's two masons and two confirmable townies and 4 confirmable adventuring party and Katy was confirmable town, and RBT is confirmed town, and...

how much confirmable non-scum is there in this goddamn game?

[GreyICE]

Confirmed town, SOME OF THIS SHIT AIN'T CONFIRMED TOWN

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah Bunnylover brought CSL into the game so that makes them confirmed something or other yeah this is heading rapidly to the nonsense zone

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I'm starting to think that Snow Bunny should have ended the day with the mod kills.

She's the one who copypastaed one of the party's alignment into the thread, she could modkill herself but well etc

[GreyICE]

Hmm.

Yeah, not buying this setup has that much confirmed town, we're still in LyLo tomorrow, I like how these people are hinting at '100% confirmable' abilities now.

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Or rather you're in LyLo I guess,

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Hehe, I can do a little more than post restrictions.

Like the one "can't target any other players?" You're not the only lucky recipient...

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By the by, note the nice patena of Green all over the town that demonstrates that scum haven't been doing too much damage last night.

Oh and SGR? You didn't use an ability that would 'confirm you town' immediately in the TWILIGHT PHASE before the restriction existed?

Yeah, don't bother to pretend, scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Grab Scroll

[GreyICE]

Oh and SGR? You didn't use an ability that would 'confirm you town' immediately in the TWILIGHT PHASE before the restriction existed?

I was afraid of a twist in the mechanics, just to guarantee I wasn't gonna waste the ability, I hit RBT with an ability to damage him, if he was undead as he claimed, it wouldn't affect him at all and I would use my one-shot ability that night.
It was fortunate I did that, cause RBT died

Shut up and die.

[GreyICE]

I'm praying the dumbass flavor shit means we lynch the top two candidates, hellfire style.

Anyone else think this is likely?

[GreyICE]

Oh and if ANYONE still thinks SGR is town, he claimed to use an ability to test if RiceBallTail was undead.

YOU KNOW THE PLAYER WHO DIED AND FLIPPED UNDEAD PREVIOUSLY IN THE THREAD.

FUCKING SCUMCLAIM

[GreyICE]

So, our lynch for today is SGR, 100%.

Lets work out what happened at night, and we go from there.

Dead man walking can pollute the thread or not.

[GreyICE]

Inhim's gonna be busy dying tonight.

[GreyICE]

Oh dear, the scumbag is mad that I shut his team down. Watching your victory slide from your hands because you're tightening your grasp?

I'll do that whenever I want to feysal. Im not hiding anymore, and it's time to take the strongest power role ive ever been handed out to play.

[GreyICE]

Now isn't it surprising exactly how many of the players babbling about being confirmed suddenly aren't able to confirm themselves because of little old me. You'd think they'd confirm themselves immediately, what wit it being THE MOST important thing town could do right now, but they don't even have a convincing fakeclaim for me stopping them. Inhim, feysal, SGR, bag it and tag it.

[GreyICE]

I forgot Katy was the one to revive RBT, I'm retarded.
But once again, that doesn't matter, thank god I did what I did, because had I wasted the ability there, I would have wasted and would be unable to clear myself.

So, my retardation was a blessing

Shut up, we're killing you.

[GreyICE]

Not only did RBT die, meaning I had no idea who to target with my ability (I didn't want to risk it on someone that wasn't undead), but one person gave me two limitations:
-I couldn't use a damaging ability
-I couldn't use an ability that targeted me

Well, thank you, bitch, I couldn't do shit.

Oh, that's a much better plan than I could have come up with. Kill your target so you actually have a plausible explanation for your lack of "clearing".

I uh... please tell me this was sarcastic, that plan was horrible, and SGR is horrible.

Feysal, you wanna claim scum now like Zdenek? I can feeeeel it, Feysal.

[GreyICE]

You totally want to woo the adventuring party, feysal.

You know we're non-town Feysal, maybe if you talk to us you'll succeed where Zdenek failed, Feysal

Come on just claim scum, it's so easy, no more lying, no more having stuff on the tip of your tongue that you just can't say.

[GreyICE]

I'm going to leave the scroll unattended on the floor.

Anyone taking it who is not Gaggle has claimed scum.

In the case of Feysal, claimed mafia-scum, not SK scum.

Leave Scroll unattended on floor

[GreyICE]

I restricted Inhim and PeregrineV as well (Pere ended up not mattering, but it has a time delay, obv). Inhim apparently didn't have it take. Since it's a mind effecting ability, that makes him much more likely to be town, and thus I'm not super worried about him (plus he's likely to die soon)

As for killing Surye, not going to happen today, Feysal. Claiming serial killer was a nice move, but it's not enough. You're a member of the scumteam. We can whinge back and forth, but just say it, and come out with the little nugget you want to.

[GreyICE]

Come on, Feysal, you still haven't spilled it, Feysal. I can see you know it Feysal, it's eating you up inside Feysal.

Oh that hidden knowledge, oh that information the town just doesn't have, oh how it burns inside your breast. Oh how it wants to be free.

Knowledge wants to be free, Feysal. Claim scum and tell them, Feysal.

[GreyICE]

Poor poor Feysal isn't the serial killer, he isn't the serial killer at all.

It was an imaginative fake claim, it was this team's last shot at victory, and it failed.

[GreyICE]

I'm afraid you may be out of luck, and there are no more undead left. If inHim is one, he will die before he can be of any help. Bowser maybe? We don't know anything about his role yet.

GreyICE continues to amaze me. I have claimed a role that guarantees my death, and he still tries to say I'm scum? Whatever. Meanwhile, I don't follow his conclusions about his restrictions and their results at all. We know that someone killed SpyreX last night. GreyICE claims to have successfully restricted me and SGRaaize, so neither of us can be responsible. inHim he says was not affected, and Surye was not targeted at all, and those two he chooses to call probable town and defend? That does not begin to make sense.

Oh no, it's almost like you fuckers come in TEAMS.

Doooo you want to say what I know you want to say, Feysal?

Don't vote Surye, town.

[GreyICE]

Aww, Gandalf, I wanted him to claim it.

Of course we killed SpyreX. Two dead scum, one dead townie? You might have been getting ideas that you could kill us due to the breathing room. No, no, no.

Feysal soooo wants to say it, it's pregnant in every post that he knows that the scum team didn't kill SpyreX at all, and torturing him was so much funnnnnn

[GreyICE]

Haha, welp, I'll mention what I do have if anyone does want to lynch Adventuring party.

But no, Feysal's been spinning his wheels for ages trying to make meat out of the SpyreX kill, 'cause he knows I shut down the entire scumteam during the night phase.

Go check out every post in the thread today, he's been dripping with wanting to SCREAM at me that he knows we're the ones who killed off SpyreX, not his little scumteam.


Every. Single. One. It just gets funnier and funnier every time.

[GreyICE]

By the by, note the nice patena of Green all over the town that demonstrates that scum haven't been doing too much damage last night.

By the by, note the gaping hole where there used to be a big-ass dragon named SpyreX. Something tells me that this mass restriction of yours did not live up to expectations.

Today we lynch Surye. There are several good reasons why. One is that restricting SGRaaize obviously did not prevent SpyreX from dying or Gaggle getting injured. Another is the fact that SGRaaize is injured, which Surye is not. If you insist on having SGRaaize killed, you can use actions to do that today. I'd bet that today's special effect is that attacks do extra damage. Gandalf can get his precious point that way too, not just by lynching.

Look at the phrasing. He can't even bring himself to type "did not prevent scum from killing SpyreX," he feels totally compelled to take a jab at me by flipping to the passive voice. "Prevent SpyreX from dying" rather than "Preventing scum from killing SpyreX." Passive construction isn't natural in the English language, Feysal, it's not something that creeps in.

Of course it's not going to prevent SpyreX from dying, my friends in the adventuring party killed him. It'll do well and good in preventing scum from

killing anyone,

didn't it.

GreyICE continues to amaze me. I have claimed a role that guarantees my death, and he still tries to say I'm scum? Whatever. Meanwhile, I don't follow his conclusions about his restrictions and their results at all.

We know that someone killed SpyreX last night.

GreyICE claims to have successfully restricted me and SGRaaize, so neither of us can be responsible. inHim he says was not affected, and Surye was not targeted at all, and those two he chooses to call probable town and defend? That does not begin to make sense.

Look at this. This entire day he's been playing chicken with us, convinced that he can make hay out of the fact that we killed SpyreX, that we'd be scared to tell the town that the claimed

non-town

were actually

not always helping the town.

Do you understand why today has been so fucking funny for me? He just can't help but wait to blurt it out, he's been dancing from foot to foot trying not to scream that the adventuring party killed SpyreX, like it's some enormous condemnation.

Oh and by the by, it's a piece of information that no serial killer could know.

Lynch away, folks.

[GreyICE]

Oh and the odds that two people who had an action that they could use ANY SINGLE PHASE this game coincidentally waited for the ONE FUCKING PHASE I specifically shut them down to want to use it?

Zero, folks. Dead zero. Hell, they even claimed more or less the same action, open up a quicktopic with someone and do an Irish jig in there. And this somehow is supposed to fly?

Lawl.

Be nice, Faraday, SpyreX died nobly, earning us poi... I mean giving us ammunition to string up scumbags.

[GreyICE]

Welp, truth, I was actually addressing town, rather than other third parties. We're gonna kinda be doing the ships passing in the night to each other.

Honestly, at the end of the day, I really don't give a shit, but Surye is totally town. Town should probably avoid lynching him. Plus Feysal has been so fucking pregnant to tell me he's on the scumteam, I'd be sad to let him live after repeatedly telling me to my face that he was a scumbag, and daring me to do anything about it, like he's going to win a game of chicken with me of all people

[GreyICE]

Oh and FYI folks - we won't be killing Gaggle, especially not after I gave him that scroll.

Make of that as you may - and poke at your own risk.

[GreyICE]

The scroll is a nice start, at least. I might suggest he use it during the night phase, if he plans to use it today, but I won't give orders.

He can't pick up the ring today anyway, so we'll leave it there

[GreyICE]

And yet I did suspect you. Not immediately of course, but the more you kept avoiding the topic like a hot potato the more suspicious you became. And to think that you thought you were torturing me while you were busy exposing yourself.

And besides... A dragon? A group of adventurers? Hello, talk about obvious. It is like a primal imperative. Add the new kill flavor, and Vaya was my main suspect for SpyreX's death.

GreyICE, you seem to be living under the delusion that other people could not be smarter than you. Luckily for you, and everyone you play with in the future, I am here to teach you this is not so. I can notice things you don't. I can draw conclusions you can't. I can think of scenarios you could not dream of. Bottom line is, I am better at mafia than you are, and so are many other players in this game. You badly need a lesson in humility, and you are about to get it.

And even now, the question of who injured Gaggle remains unanswered.

The question of who managed to kill RBT and injure Gaggle during the combined twilight and night phase that passes before we get to see the HP changes is indeed open, Feysal.

As for avoiding things, why I suppose I did. Every time you challenged me on the adventuring party killing SpyreX I dodged that question. Every time you pushed me, I just ran away. Why you bravely confronted me at every turn, using your prodegious intellect to push me to the wall on that subject. It was truly impressive, Feysal. My hat is off to you.

I mean, I'll be honest here. A lesser player, one who was less clever, less smart, less worthy? That lesser player might have taken the trap. Might have assumed that because I shut down most of the scum suspects that the one I didn't shut down caused the SpyreX death. Might have voted for the player I didn't shut down, since you knew for a fact that the shutdown happened.

You, Feysal, you truly impressed me. You sidestepped that trap like a pro. Anyone, ANYONE else in the thread might have fallen into it, might have pushed a lynch on town innocently. Might have had the wool pulled over their eyes. That idiot SpyreX who tunneled two townies yesterday? The one you degrade? He'd have fallen for that shit, mark my words. He'd have had no clue at all.

But your keen insight and dogged pursuit of the truth, Feysal? It stymied me. You stopped me in my tracks, Feysal, stopped me cold.

And yet I did suspect you. Not immediately of course, but the more you kept avoiding the topic like a hot potato the more suspicious you became. And to think that you thought you were torturing me while you were busy exposing yourself.

And besides... A dragon? A group of adventurers? Hello, talk about obvious. It is like a primal imperative. Add the new kill flavor, and Vaya was my main suspect for SpyreX's death.

I admit it, Feysal, hats off. Anyone else, anyone else in this entire town? Anyone else in this entire town would have thought the death was caused by scum. And knowing what they know, assuming what they assumed?

They'd have voted for Surye.

Only you knew better.

[GreyICE]

Um, first I dun think an investigation was on the scroll I dropped, unless bunnylover is randomizing the spells. But. Okay.

Anyway, you seriously didn't notice Feysal claiming scum Gaggle? Not serial killer, mafia scum, completely killing his own claim?

Basic math, Gaggle

-Feysal claimed to have OBVIOUSLY KNOWN that we killed SpyreX. And that's why it was so obvious to me that I knew he knew.
-Feysal tried to lynch Surye for mechanical reasons when there are NO MECHANICAL REASONS if we killed SpyreX
-Feysal claims to be trying to lynch scum.


Pay attention, Faraday, or get Chesskid in here so I can talk to a derp with some decent reads at least.


He knew that we killed SpyreX
He tried to use this fact to GET TOWN LYNCHED
His flailing when I called him on it revealed that he DELIBERATELY TRIED TO LYNCH TOWN.


He's not serial killer scum, not serial killer scum at all. He's good, old fashioned, mafia scum. Claiming Serial Killer as mafia is a time honored tradition, hell, even VezokPiraka's done that little gem.

[GreyICE]

the main problem (imo) with feysal's claim is i'm already finding a rather ridiculous number of 3rd parties but eh, i'll iso his play and stuff before deciding.

HE CLAIMED TO KNOW THAT HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO LYNCH TOWN JESUS CHRIST HE SAYS HE WANTS TO HELP THE TOWN AND IS TRYING TO LYNCH SOMEONE THERE IS NO MECHANICAL REASON TO BELIEVE IS SCUM FOR MECHANICAL REASONS.

WHAT THE FUCK FARADAY GET CHESSKID IN HERE HE DOESN'T FUCKING ISO PEOPLE HE CAN READ TWO PAGES OF THE GAME TO FIGURE OUT THAT OBVSCUM IS FUCKING OBVIOUS.

THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE DERP, HE DOESN'T STICK HIS FOOT UP HIS ASS AND DICK AROUND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT CHINA HAS LOTS OF TEA, HE FUCKING READS THINGS THAT ARE SCUMMY AND VOTES FOR THEIR WRITERS.

MY FUCKING LORD. KILL FEYSAL IT'S SO OBVIOUS A DEAD MAN COULD SEE IT.

[GreyICE]

Not until we work out what's going on with bunnylover.

[GreyICE]

It's okay Feysal, it's okay. I understand. It's frustrating. It's not fair. It's not balanced. It's not right.

You were mistreated, Feysal. Even your fakeclaim, even your brilliant fakeclaim of serial killer, even that fakeclaim has a hole in it that still hasn't been revealed, something I'll only use if the town really wants to lynch someone else. All this fighting, Feysal, and you haven't forced the trump card.

That isn't fair, isn't balanced, isn't right. I'm sorry Feysal, I really am. You're playing with your hand decently, but no one told you that deuces were wild and now you're bust.

[GreyICE]

Fellow Adventurers,
Please bare with me here. Perhaps we should here how Feysal intends to achieve his 7 points he needs. I'm all for everyone, but the mafia, winning.

GI, yes I know you don't buy his claim, but give him a chance.

Argh think about what he claimed regarding his win condition and the game ongoing Wraith. Why doesn't that work?

We lynch him, obv obv obv.

[GreyICE]

If for some gawdawful reason we don't lynch feysal, the only way i accept this is feysal does me. Gaggles hard to safely target now, but try doing an RBT to me, feysal, I dare you. And if it doesn't happen geology phase? Entire party knows, can't deep six us all.

I'll wish for feysal to die, obv.

[GreyICE]

It still strikes me as funny GI that you claim to want Feysal dead but wont vote him.

It strikes me as funnier that when two people tried to confirm themselves you blocked them for strange reasons. (my reason for stopping SGR was at least vaguely legit)


WC I believe I answered your questions already but simply put me alive when Lich dies me win and leave game.
(wonder how that applies to the Lich being end gamed?)

unvote vote SGR

I stopped them for one phase. They had two.

You have two choices baby spice. Pick one:

You derp like a brain addled llama.
You confirm yourself.

Are you a moron, baby spice? Do you choose the first, baby spice?

SGR and Feysal did, Baby Spice. Does this make sense to you?

Oh I'm sorry, the fucking moron SGR claimed to use a different ability on MOD CONFIRMED UNDEAD TOWN WHO FLIPPED IN THREAD.

TO CONFIRM RBT WAS UNDEAD, BABY SPICE.

SGR and feysal are the only options. I'm voting feysal unless mod dumbnanigans are occuring again.

Welcome, #3. Was wondering who you were since surge and inhim are town.

[GreyICE]

GI, you think there are six scum?

5
2 flipped
SGR
Feysal
BS

Game set match.

Check if surye is lich tonight, I bet yes.

[GreyICE]

I want each player to answer this in their next post -

1) why do they believe Feysal's claim, given everything he's posted, and all the ways he's shown he's mafia?

2) If you are not voting Feysal, why do you believe that SGRaize is so blitheringly, mind numbingly stupid that he forgot that RiceBallTail was

CONFIRMED WRIGHT BY WAY OF DYING DAY 1?

He claimed scum when he claimed to use a damaging ability to confirm otherwise, why do you believe ANYTHING DIFFERENT?

3) How many times does Feysal have to hit the post reply button before an obvious lie becomes truth?
- Feysal claimed that he knew AP killed SpyreX from the start
- Feysal attempted to lynch Surye because he was not blocked, and SpyreX died
- Feysal claims to be helping the town

Which of these are untrue? Is it possible that all three are true? If so, how?

If you don't answer these, label yourself a failure of a human being. Feysal and SGR exempted of course, claimed scum claimed.

[GreyICE]

As for the wish, Feysal, I'll roleblock you if you target anyone other than me. Done, and done.

[GreyICE]

Unvote, whatever

Vote: SGR

Whoever gets wish wishes for Feysal to die. This wins him the game if he's telling the truth (HINT HE'S NOT) and saves us a lynch. Easy peasy.

Wonder what magical explanation Feysal will have tomorrow. "Well, I decided to not confirm myself because I was scared of being roleblocked and forgot SB doesn't use up charges when we're blocked!"

[GreyICE]

Whose house?
Say what? Run's house!
Whose house?
Say what? Run's house!
I'm in the house y'all
I'm in the house y'all

Baby Spice and Feysal...

[GreyICE]

AP:
ICE
Gandalf
Vaya
WC

3rd party
BS - lyncher or SK

Town:
SpyreX
AGOG
RiceBallTail

-----
Pool:

15- PeregrineV
17- Surye
18- Zdenek
20- inHimshallibe
21- SGRaaize
23- Feysal
25- CLS(?????)

Zdenek - dead scum
SGR - dead scum
PeregrineV - dead scum

BS/Feysal - Confirmed scum. Feysal probable mafia, BS questionable.
Bunnylover - SGR bit her heels far too often for me to like her as a scumpick. Then there's the entire Bowser bit.
Inhim - town read, but he dies anyway, well so.
Surye - SGR either defended him, or never commented on him. We'll see, he did bus his partners, but to be fair they were horribly obvious by the end (lol@Zdenek asking us to trust scum over trusting town). Plus I hear know there's a replacement coming who I really want to hear from so NO KILLING HIM TONIGHT. I'm not tossing her into THIS just to see her killed overnight too
Bowser - Third party or town, I fail to see the ability to bring scum into the game as sane.


Protections on Gaggles of Geeses a go go from me.

[GreyICE]

This means Surye is most likely scum.

Which means Feysal's claim is most likely not a gambit.

Finally, SGRaaize. I don't think he can confirm himself through actions. Neighborizing Riceballtail would not confirm him in any way, and I can easily believe scum having a neighborizer power. Two most recent neighborizers I have encountered were both scum. But,

I don't think he needs to confirm himself. I believe his play makes him town,

and after everything he has claimed about his role and abilities, I think I can guess exactly who and what he is. I will not seek his death, not today, not ever, not without evidence pointing to him being scum.

Okay. This needs to be said.

WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING, YOU MORON?

Seriously, did you think at all? If you were worried about someone going rogue and killing someone despite assurances of not doing so, that is one thing. By using such a broad restriction you also prevented a large number of possible pro-town actions for no apparent reason.

Would it have killed you to allow SGRaaize to neighborize someone?

I think not.

Do not do that again.

...

I'm getting sick of listening people say how SGRaaize must be scum.

But you're not listening. You want him dead, and nothing can stop you from achieving that goal. Personally, I think he is the least likely of the unconfirmed players to be scum.

I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though.

What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

I don't think the town situation is quite that bleak. I think there are four of you left. Here is where my reads are.

Town

A Gaggle of Geese
Bunnylover
Bowser

SGRaaize (?)

Oh who was it defending him to the death, day after day? Why was that Feysal? Why yes, it looks like it was! Oh my lord. How bizarre.

Look at him shrug off stuff that is so scummy it makes my eyes bleed.

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

Look who never answered, and look how much Feysal pushed, and changed his read!

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

Why even in the last post, he said that Gandalf wanted his points and that way we lynch SGR, suggesting SGR was town.

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

...I grant that his claim of having tested whether RBT was undead was weird though. What kind of mechanics twist were you afraid of?

YEAH THAT WAS A LITTLE WEIRD

I MEAN SO SCUMMY THE RADIOACTIVE FALLOUT COULD BE SEEN FROM OTHER PLANETS

BUT A LITTLE WEIRD TOO

[GreyICE]

Feysal get one phase. He no get two.

[GreyICE]

I could buy that, but lets see what Feysal flips and then we can move from there.

Bunny/Bowwow would be odd from how le SGR went after her, since he was more or less celebrating his victory in thread, which is an odd time to bus.

Surye/Feysal makes me happy, I guess.

Feysal dead makes me happy.

Feysal, you don't be submitting something to AGOG this phase, you don't be submitting it at all. I be chargin my post restrictions...

[GreyICE]

hmm. if scum can do 12 damage to me with 3 left it'd mean 3x4 damage give or take. i'd guess sgr was a fairly powerful scum role.

Bah, I always figured scum had a 1 or 2 shot "Instant death" ability of some form, possibly limited.

Why? We do.

Why do you think I chose 'no targets' rather than 'no damage' as my restriction?

[GreyICE]

Gaggle getting it is fine. I don't see him dying as all that likely.

[GreyICE]

I still like the idea of deep sixing Feysal with his own ability.

He's already claimed he needs to be lynched, and that's just goddamn poetic.

Besides which it's just some arfing scum thing, they obviously have some neighborizor artifact or something that they're trying to use to its fullest.

[GreyICE]

Yeah don't kill Feysal with it. Like Baby just said, it'd be a waste since he's already offering himself up tomorrow. And Feysal's claimed that he doesn't think he'll get points for his own death anyway, so you're kinda just being a jerk if you kill him and he turns out to be telling the truth.

I don't know if I would gain any points if the wish was used to cause my own death. That would depend on how you interpret the original wording of the ability. I'd rather not risk it of course, and using it on me would be a waste anyway.

There's no interpretation. NONE.

You CLEARLY stated that if someone dies as a result of this ability you gain 5 points, and that you can win when dead.

THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION.

YOU DIE AND WIN.

Unless you want to start rapidly modifying your claim, of course.

HAHA, scumbag.

To be clear.
If the ability is used on anyone who is not Feysal
I will scream.
Feysal used it in the twilight, if he's not dead tonight, everyone regrets it. Got it?

[GreyICE]

Oh and it's not a waste. Look at his own fucking words:

First things first. I am third party, with a point-based win condition much like the Adventurers. I need ten points to win, more than the four Adventurers do together, but I seem to have more and easier ways to score points than they do. I get one point for every kill using my abilities, and one point for every hammer vote. I also have a special action that can net me up to five points depending on the outcome, I will explain this later.

I don't need to survive to win, and in fact I have accepted a while back that I won't.

I was confused about that, so I asked Snow_Bunny if I was considered scum and if I could win with the town. The answer was extremely interesting. I am not scum, but I am considered a threat.

As long as I live, no other faction can win.

Pay close attention, I have just signed my own death warrant.

I have to die if anyone else is to win

, but I don't have to die now.

It's always so amazing how the flailing and weaseling starts when the dying time comes in the scum fakeclaims, isn't it?

[GreyICE]

feysal did say he did think it'd not work on himself before. eh taking suggestions on non feysal people to kill still. we can lynch him tomorrow like right?

FEYSAL

Dear lord, now he's not even sure the ability will work on him.

Secondary for Baby Spice, but FEYSAL. FEYSAL FEYSAL FEYSAL.

USE IT ON HIM.

I swear.

[GreyICE]

My fucking god, you are not getting out of this by letting your fucking scumbuddy claim to have gotten a wish from you.

No baby spice, you pick gaggle or one of the Adventuring Party.

And if one of you derps in the party does anything other than tell Feysal to go off himself, there will be words.

[GreyICE]

Although apparently someone already used it and killed off Snow_Bunny.

[GreyICE]

Hey gandalf, you were obvious scum until we were outed, and you haven't had a read worth having all game. To date, I think you've managed to lose our team more points than you've gained. Look, you honestly thought SGR was undead, there's a free -1 for us. Nice work.

Why don't you just go sit in a corner and follow my orders?

[GreyICE]

Oh that's right. Thank god. Snow_bunny didn't give you a way to fuck us over too badly.

[GreyICE]

Who.
The fuck.
Makes a neutral survivor points condition.
That cannot win with the town?

That's INSANE.

Tell your scumteams that they're ACTUALLY SCUM K THX BAI

[GreyICE]

So we got +2 if WC was alive. -2 if he died.

Since the town had to kill us in order to win unless we wanted a four point swing we needed to kill the entire town. And the other scum.

So we were a scumteam. Who didn't get this SMALL LITTLE DETAIL mentioned to them.

Gonna go cry now.

[GreyICE]

Well our win condition just got modified on the go.

[GreyICE]

Meh, I'm going to count this as a win by the by.

[GreyICE]

Oh man, you get off saying that? You?

Could you have actively TRIED to play scummier?

[GreyICE]

Oh man, you get off saying that? You?

Could you have actively TRIED to play scummier?

I didn't get lynched, did I? Whereas in your case, everyone knew you were AP but WANTED TO LYNCH YOU ANYWAYS JUST TO GET YOU TO SHUT THE FUCK UP.

You didn't get lynched because I claimed a FUCKING COP INNOCENT on you and people thought we were so town that they BELIEVED ME.

[GreyICE]

GI was pushing, abrasivly, for a Feysal lynch when he probably didn't need to. Also butting heads with Gandalf who was his teammate. Again with little aparent need.

Well where I was sitting Feysal's claim was completely impossible, since no one makes a neutral survivor win condition that prevents other people's win condition from occurring.

I also got SGR lynched, so well.