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Just so you guys know, I have a perfect record as a replacement. I hope you don't spoil it for me.
Could someone quickly sum up any really important things I should know about? I caught the masons claims and the lack of a NK last night.
I'm not up to date on alts and hydras. If there are any common knowledge ones in here that I should know about please point them out to the old geezer. GOTI is Oman right?
I've read over the last 4-5 pages. Observations thus far:
Tajo is either stupid or scum. I know he's Mexican and all, but even stupid for a Mexican.
I kinda agree with SL about DGB not being as much of a pot stirrer as usual. Any meta evidence that this is a scumtell?
Amrun's posts are a bit weird. I'll keep reading and report more on that later.-
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DGB's play is way off. I don't find it an alignment thing though because she's equally crazy as town and scum. I'm fairly certain scum DGB would have sucked up to me when I replaced in, but she barely acknowledged my presence.
Possibility she is some non-killing third party role. Very much doubt she is mafia
zor, have you compared farside's Llamarble reaction to today's Regfan reaction?-
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DGB forced Amrun's claim yesterday.
I don't care if DGB is lynched. Pretty sure she's the 14th player survivor. Not like the town doesn't have a lynch to waste. But I'd prefer not to.
Does anyone else think RB, Tracker, Doc and mason pair is too strong? I'm a bit weary of the claim situation.
Also masons, I hope you guys have talked about this amongst yourselves.
shaft.ed wrote:The Flash has the role Mafia Mason in it since I don't think neighbors had been so named at that time.-
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Thinking about Regfan, he is either vanilla goon or town tracker. It is highly unlikely that scum tracker targets a claimed powerrole on Day1. So he either fabricated that targeting for a valid claim or he is town aligned. Thus confirmation of ability is confirmation of alignment. He can be dealt with at a later time.
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Ellibereth wrote:ELLI Votecount
Farside22 (4): Ghostwriter, Fate, Ellibereth, crypto
Regfan (3): Farside22, Untrod Tripod, populartajo
Ghostwriter (3): Regfan, a girl on the internet, Ythill
Fate (1): DrippingGoofball
Ellibereth (1): Parabollocks
PopularTajo (1): Llamarble
Not voting (1): Porochaz
With 14 players, it's 6 to lynch-
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zoraster wrote:shaft.ed wrote:SL prod please
lol@zoraster. You can just claim scum if you want to make it that easy for us
Look at the chainsaw here! Utter without explanation in response to a vote.
nice try
me wrote:I don't care if DGB is lynched. Pretty sure she's the 14th player survivor. Not like the town doesn't have a lynch to waste. But I'd prefer not to.
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Llamarble wrote:Haha. 3am derp whee.
I think as scum I and most other people usually trust buddies to fakeclaim things that make sense.
I may end up on Zoraster wagon anyway though.
I'll look at this later today.
DGB is ridiculously organized as scum
I've modded her and read her QTs, she plans
But with the dropping out, I don't think any of the reads I have are reliable, so I'd say just ignore her meta altogether-
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I'd prefer the Doc wait a day with claiming. They seem to be mindfucking the mafia well enough without any help from the rest of us
I'd also like Regfan to confirm his tracker ability tonight. Another confirmed innocent is worth more than a crapshoot for some tracking results
zoraster backpedaling from his DGB vote after the "hammer" is weird. I'd be up for a zor lynch today as well-
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I have about a 5 page gap in the early game that I skimmed because I got bored and early game is usually not useful.
Fate-Pretty strong town read. Claim is even stronger town read. Am still paranoid about Mafia Mason role. But this would be Llamarble because of roleblock N1.
DGB-Her play was off. I read her as disinterested 3rd party. Now realizing that was just general apathy. Ignoring the meta side of her play. She's scummy.
Ellibereth-My read on Elli jumps from town to scum depending on which game section I'm reading. More likely town.
Llamarble-Of the masons, the more likely to have the mod harhar Mafia Mason role. Not a fan of his play, but farside roleblock is more revealing. Most likely town due to roleclaim.
Mastin2 (who replaced PopularTajo)-Don't like tajo's play in this game. Seems too crappy to be scum, but who knows. L-1 vote on Amrun was in a good bussing position. Never played with Mastin, but I was expecting something very different given his reputation. Any meta tells?
Springlullaby (who replaced Ythill)-I always read Ythill as town. Which makes me think he's scum. He was bleeding town N1. SL's play has been non-existent. Don't like the DGB vote yesterday. Hardly anything to look at. Costing on Ythill's D1 play might take you pretty far, but need more contribution.
Porochaz-I think I played once with porotown before. Seemed a lot like this. I don't see scum bothering to be so stupidly and obviously contrarian
Farside-Looks like town to me based on my experience modding her in EVERY game I've ever modded.
a girl on the internet-Light on content, feels like valid contributions when plays are made.
Regfan-Don't like his Amrun interactions. Don't like the convenience of his preemptive role claim. Don't like the game balance with a RB, Doc, Tracker and Mason pair along with a likely extra townie/harmless 3rd party in the game. I would REALLY like for him to confirm his ability tonight since that will 99% confirm his alignment given his N1 tracking claim.
Zoraster (who replaced Parabollocks)-Convenient flipping on DGB, and backtracking on the vote after the "hammer". Lashing out at random people on his wagon but not others. Scummy.
On the setup, from a balance perspective I think I see RB + Doc as making more sense than Doc + Tracker. The game started with a half an extra lynch for town, so RB or Doc protect bumps the town up a lynch. Tracker getting lucky could take a scum out of the game on his own. Lot more swingy. The three combined with masons seems pretty unlikely to me. I think in order of probability one of the following is the case: Regfan is goon faking tracker, Farside is mafia RB claiming town, Llamarble Mafia Mason claiming town Mason. Given that town appears to have an extra player the Mafia Mason may be more likely as this is going really strong against site meta. However, if there is an innocuous 3rd party thrown in, I don't know that the mafia would need something like a Mafia Mason for counterbalance, so if we flip a survivor/lyncher then I'd say Llamarble is cleared.-
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Fate wrote:Regfan wrote:Yeah, fairly sure he's flipping scum. Still think Porochaz or Agoti is likely partner with an outside chance of it being Mastin or Spring, although I had town-reads on their predecessors their complete lack of content is worrying.
Llarmable, Fate, Farside, Elibereth and Shafted are sure-fire town and VP makes me feel a lot better about DBGs slot and am leaning town on it again.
What the fuck has VP done?
I'm calling affirmative action-
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Regfan, coming in here pushing for a massclaim when you yourself passed up the opportunity to be confirmed town in order to retrack poro is hella fishy.
AGOTI is also pretty damn scummy for pushing the counterwagon on zoraster yesterday.
Waiting on farside claim.
I've checked the flash multiple times and haven't seen anything about non-killing mafia factions. If others could check that'd be great. If it can exist, that might explain the 14th player-
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Regfan wrote:shaft.ed wrote:I've checked the flash multiple times and haven't seen anything about non-killing mafia factions. If others could check that'd be great. If it can exist, that might explain the 14th player
The definition of a mafia janitor in the flash indicates that it can only be used in conjunction with a night-kill therefore the addition of the role proves that mafia do indeed have a night kill. The 14th player was purely added to skip the massive queues in mini normal/mini theme and jump straight into large games I believe.
yes I've never seen a mod include a power role that was of no benefit because of the setup to mislead the players in it before
I also didn't even argue against a massclaim in the sentence you quoted. I argued that someone with the intent of starting a massclaim today when they could have been confirmed tonight is rather odd.
That said, I think a massclaim should be left up to the Doctor. They have enough information to know how many people they have cleared.-
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OK RB + Doc + Tracker is balanced without masons
Seems that the Doc may have pertinent information on the "masons" and possibly other townsfolk. If you think we should be claiming get it started.
@Farside, what I'm saying is weird is, Why bother roleblocking VPB if, when you get the desired result (no kill) you ignore the outcome and say "must have been the Doc"
That's just weird. I'm not saying it's an alignment thing, but I don't understand why you aren't pushing for a VPB lynch. .What were you hoping for?-
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farside22 wrote:As I said I RB LM night 1, Night 2 was Regfan and now night 3 is VBP but everyone wants to lynch him but lets believe the doctor protected the other 2 nights leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
OK so I think it's pretty safe to assume one of these three is scum. The reason I'm not pushing a Regfan lynch is because he can clear himself with his claimed role. We still have time for him to do this. But I'm a bit annoyed that he hasn't yet.
LM was assumed to be a non-informative block because of the mason claim. That's out the window now. Also looking at Amrun pushing for his lynch makes sense. Your scumpartner getting caught in a position like that is the sweetspot for busing. And Llamarble's zoraster vote yesterday also doesn't scream town, last vote on a pretty obvious scumlynch isn't worth anything. Pointing out that you were on two obvscum wagons is dubious at best.
In regards to VPB, I really have to say any of DGB's play in this game should be taken with a grain of salt. I've played with people that I knew a lot about there meta when they were going into a burnout phase and reads were all useless. They just don't play as usual when that is happening. Meta is pointless.
People I'm happy to lynch today are: AGOTI, VPB and Llama
People I'm happy to lynch if they keep refusing to demonstrate their tracker ability are: Regfan
People that are conspicuously absent are: Mastin-
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Regfan wrote:Shafted, myko is V/LA for a week and I doubt Kise will know the answer.
From reading through the Flash I don't think it's possible to have a scum team with no night kill however inclusion of a Saulus, Poisoner or Traitor may explain the lack of one night-kill (Traitor/Saulus being converted or Poisoner poisoning rather than killing) but not the first two meaning, yes there is a confirmed doctor in the setup.
I'd rather just get the mod to answer. Making assumptions about Docs when the setup could contain non-killing mafia is a bit erroneous to me. i really don't see scum banging their head against the wall repeatedly like this instead of Doc hunting.-
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farside22 wrote:Also this give AGOTI the ability to not look like she/he is actively lurking if this is the only game they post to but can post to other games on the real account.
If he's actively lurking we should lynch him. VPB/DGB town to me indicates a likely AGOTI scum due to attempted counter wagon to zoraster yesterday. That was the first time he started posting in full thought out posts that demonstrated any sort of coherence. Pretty convenient timing.-
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OK I was interpreting it a lot different then. It just says when the kill is revealed the town won't be informed of the victim's role. I was thinking "the town" as in the entire game, like when the mafia role PM says "you control half the town." But if they mean the town as in the faction, then that's quite different. I actually thought it would be a hinderance for the mafia since they might kill of the Doc and not even know it. Never realized why any mafia would even use a role like that.