Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Nobody Special]

Yeah sure; fine with chilling with hito in the villa.

So yeah we should organize three for the villa and then organize us sending each other there with each other's chits.
That would help out immensely. <3
So I'd love to be there, and you all know I own in QTs (Court of the Gods, anyone?)

If we move each other (Andy > LB, LB > LLD, LLD > Andy) and then circle back (Andy > LLD, LLD > LB, LB > Andy) we'd have the number of chits to move all of us there.

BUT A fourth player will have to go to Door Control BEFORE you fill up the Villa.

I think Door Control (and Security and Panic Room, if any) players should be elected prior to going into Round One. Problems with that?

Llarmable, just have Door Control lock E4/F4 with three players that we all trust inside the Potion Room / Tipping point area.

I believe you mean E3/F3, but this sounds like a good plan. I think.

[Nobody Special]

BTW if you're planning on coming to the villa make sure we can all try and get together at a convenient time for all of us and do stuff in 'almost real time'; it's totally awesome for scumhunting and something that needs to be utilised. I don't think that'll be a problem though for me since I'm Europe and kinda in the middle.

Not a problem for me.

Also, we can "communicate" with the general thread via voting- why not do a VOTE: EDDARD STARK / VOTE: MoI / UNVOTE: MoI deal like SoS?

Because you can only do those actions ONCE per Round while in the Villa.

Ooh, you get to chat with a player like Andrius who's already painfully easy to read in the main thread!

Just remember that the "painfully easy to read" players aren't idiots Mina.

NS: I KNOW SOMEONE HAS TO BE IN DOOR CONTROL FIRST SO WE 4-WAY CIRCLE MOVE EVERYONE WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

No need to shout. You hadn't addressed it; I pointed it out. Down, boy.



Maruchan: Somehow, I think volunteering for that is not precisely pro-town. I can't really articulate why, though. Maybe I just don't like you enough yet.

[Nobody Special]

Ok after talking with zor about the morse code thing you CAN only vote/unvote/confirm vote once per round so no morse code for villa-ites.

It offends me that A) you haven't read the rules and B) you didn't believe me when I told you what they were and STILL couldn't read them but had to run to the Mod for confirmation. But I'm in a really pissy mood today so.

Is anyone seriously OPPOSED to me being the elected for the door switch room?

I am not opposed.

I am fine with staying in the Nexus for now. I don't actually plan on moving myself in the foreseeable future.

[Nobody Special]

HIGH PRIORITY MOVES REMAINING:
another Maruchan to SV with insurance.

I will do this one.

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

Sending PM now.

[Nobody Special]

Sorry, did someone already move Klazam to an intermediate room between Nexus and Move Checker and I missed it? Because it's not a direct move; it's diagonal.

[Nobody Special]

Sorry. Confusing thread. I checked Feysal's summary and it wasn't there. Just wanted to make sure we didn't waste a move. (I gather that an invalid move would spend the chits but not go through...?)

@MOD:

If an invalid move is submitted (i.e., on a diagonal) would the chits still be spent, even though no move occurred?

[Nobody Special]

Reck, you can just chill in the Nexus with the rest of us. Maruchan's already on his way (or will be in about 37 minutes).

[Nobody Special]

Good things to do this round:
Open the door between switch & chair

I'm sorry if I missed this (but I don't recall it being mentioned): why?

[Nobody Special]

NS: We want that door open so we can get somebody in the security room.

Oh yeah, huh. Forgot about that room. I was just thinking about having the electric chair available, which I don't think is a good idea (yet) -- but it's necessary to have it open to get into the Security room. Can we close it behind, after? I just think scum might try to put someone in the Electric Chair if the door is open (and once someone gets into Security, they're staying put, yes?).

[Nobody Special]

I don't like that Fate is trying to be obvtown, and that he's in the Panic Room. Who's our nextmost obvtown player who isn't headed for the Villa? Also, Fate's V/LA is a tad worrisome.

I've spent so much time and effort just trying to get a handle on the mechanics, I haven't been reading with an eye toward scumhunting. I will re-read tonight and have a vote (hopefully) before bed (~4-5 hours).

[Nobody Special]

I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which.

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.

[Nobody Special]

I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which.

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.

just stop

I'm scumhunting. Don't tell me to stop.

Or perhaps I misunderstood you. Stop what, exactly?

[Nobody Special]

I'm not liking tcl's scumminess. I also don't like how he thinks I'm town. No one hardly ever thinks I'm town.

Vote: tclawren

Not sure I'll be around close to deadline, but if I am, I'll be happy to make moves if necessary.

[Nobody Special]

I got my own secret mission so its fine

You've obviously NOT been reading the thread. We're not doing any gambits or SOOPER SEEKRIT PLANS.

If you don't follow the town, you will most likely be lynched.

[Nobody Special]

I'm here for the next 20 minutes, so I can move Feysal if there's no further discussion.

P-Edit: I haven't moved anyone THIS round, but I did LAST round. Does that count? Or are you talking about someone who hasn't spent any chits at all so far?

[Nobody Special]

Okay, then not me. Since you're here until just before deadline too, I'll let you send it if no one else shows up.

[Nobody Special]

Assuming 1 scumteam about how many scum are in the settup.

With 20 players?

Could be 5-6?

And a minute later:

@ Feysal -

As I said previously, the plan doesn't work due to mafia having used blue chits and a complete lack of time for us to test everyone's blue chits remaining. It's not worth even attempting due to the massive amount of effort and confusion it'll lead towards.

@ Nautlius -

Guessing between 5 and 6.

While I'm certainly not disputing the figure of 5 or 6 scum in a 20p game, I do worry that we have 35rd parties floating about. Also, (and I admit right up front this is nitpicky) Regfan saying "between 5 and 6" seems scummy and obfuscating. Why not say "either" 5 or 6?

You know, we have an obvtown claimed VT and more chits than we really know what to do with.
I propose we ship Maru all the way to the potions room.
Thoughts?

you scum trying to keep Feysal out of Security?

I'm sorry to be so dense, but can you walk me through the connection here? Why can we not do both (moving Feysal to Security AND move Maru to potions)?

I think that moving Maru to potions would be a good thing. He would inherit a power, and we could use that. I don't see a drawback, except having to choose another door controller.

@ Feysal -

As I said previously, the plan doesn't work due to mafia having used blue chits and a complete lack of time for us to test everyone's blue chits remaining. It's not worth even attempting due to the massive amount of effort and confusion it'll lead towards.

It is not round 3, it is round 2. Two rounds left to use blue chits, unless I'm mistaken.

I can at least try to draw up a plan to use all blue chits. If I cannot do that and have all moves confirmable, I will give up on this idea.

My understanding is that we have sent in two moves, and it is now Round Two. Therefore, we are next sending moves for Round Three, which is indeed that final blue chit round.

Klazam, why do you want to choose a new person to follow so much?

Am I the only one who thinks this post is

fucking awful

?

Nope.

Action re-submitted; should be okay now.

If Amrun doesn't see this, someone remind me to ask her when she gets back: Did you edit the PM, or perhaps delete it and send a new one? Because if Zor opened it, any new PM after that will cost you more. (Trying to keep track of chits and keep track of Amrun's intentions.)

[Nobody Special]

Regfan -- That's iamausername. If you count carefully, there are only 20 circles, one for each player.

I don't like that question. It feels like you're trying to stir up shit.

Reads in a few minutes.

[Nobody Special]

Words cannot describe how much I hate this post.

So, I hope I'm not asking too much here, but can you try to use some words to describe why you hate that post?

@LLD: In this post you said you'd comment on the War Room in your next post. Haven't seen that yet.

Claiming Chits and Actions BEFORE they happen only helps Scum. I don't think this is a good idea.

Have you changed your mind on this? (And you also mention it here.)

I see that Feysal answered LLD here and LLD acknowledged that answer (as well as switching Llamarble to town) here.

I note that in this post Llamarble doesn't answer LLD's question as to why claiming moves publicly prior to moving is scummy rather than null.

It's gut, mainly, but I think we might keep an eye on the interactions between LLD and Llamarble. Feels like scum dancing for our benefit to me.

Good things to do this round:
Help Maruchan hold position.
Help Klazam hold position.

I don't agree on these two. I have a reason for this, but I'd rather not explain it in public, maybe in the Secluded Villa if I get the chance to visit it. For now, suffice to say that if we don't use this kind of actions we might be able to get the mafia to slip up.

I ran across this. I had forgotten about it. It's odd, to me, that Feysal said he didn't want Maruchan held in place, and then Maru got moved unaccountably. Is this odd to anyone else?

Really we just need to open up the chair-switch door.
All other door control usages are kind of secondary.

I'm not sure this post is at all pro-town.

Llamarble is bitching about Klazaam wanting to move out of and back into the MW room. Any reason for this, Llamarble?


So, my top reads (it's like a spectrum, yo):

Town:
Maruchan
Klazaam
Plum

hito
LB
Feysal
Null:
tclawren



Llamarble?
LLD?
Fate
Reck
Scummy-ish

Vote: Reck

[Nobody Special]

Why Reck is scummy:

iso0: Lazy, anti-town
iso1: More lazy.
iso2: After being lazy two posts in a row, he wants to direct town. I don't

think

so.
iso3: More laziness? Yes, yes it is.
iso4: Oh, look! A protown post. (Barely.)
iso5: Doesn't like anyone else controlling town. But he wanted to do

just that

in iso2.
iso6/7: Arguing about the above control issue. Null.
iso10: Suddenly he's okay just sitting around doing nothing? Why the sudden and total shift away from earlier?
iso12: This post is mostly protown EXCEPT for the last point.
iso13: Calling yourself protown, isn't.
iso14-18: Arguing with Plum.
iso19: Admitting his earlier request was for teh lulz and not for the good of the town. This is not a protown thing to be doing. (I'll admit my bias against {and

extreme

dislike for} CAPSLAWK-style rage posts and players who engage in such. Therefore, I'm always rather skittish around Fate, Reck, et al.)
iso20: Telling me to stop.
iso21: Ad hom.
iso22: MOAR LAZINESS YAY
iso23: Finally! A protown post! One (or two, maybe) out of 23 does not a Townie make, sorry.

[Nobody Special]

Klazam -- sorry about the name. When I read your name, I just think "Shazaam!" and, well.

[Nobody Special]

Definitely a room mechanic. 20 alive and 11 to lynch makes no sense if not.

So. Much. Win.

[Nobody Special]

@Mod: For clarification, for us dim bulbs in the room: Is going to the party like teleporting? No matter where you are, you go instantly and directly to the party?

[Nobody Special]

Sorry for not being here both Saturday and Sunday dealines, but we had a brush fire close to the house and that was rather preoccupying.

I should be here for every deadline hence.

unvote

Vote: iamausername

I am not as convinced with Soda's scumminess as I was with Reck. But iam just reeks.

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Nobody Special

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N

[Nobody Special]

Yeah, SO legit.

[Nobody Special]

I have a deal with Fate and haven't read a word of the other strategy stuff.

KILL IT WITH FIRE.

[Nobody Special]

So, I should be moving from the Party Room toward the Nexus (via the Rageatorium), correct?

We want to have another Party, right?

[Nobody Special]

Which is a higher priority: Maru to Potions, or everyone out of the Party Room?

I would guess Maru.

[Nobody Special]

Organizing a lynch om d1 is difficult. I think we should save the chair for later in the game

I agree.

Just for shits and giggles, Magua, who do you suggest we lynch if IAM fries?

[Nobody Special]

I kinda doubt it (but i haven't counted moves/chits yet, either, so).

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Here's my reasoning:
IAM could move to the Rageatorium, and drag me (or, now, another player voting him) there, and essentially self-hammer, thus depriving us of our intended moves.

[Nobody Special]

I knew it had to do with Fate's role to open all doors. Just like iamausername has a role that is amplified by being in a certain room.

How did you know this?

[Nobody Special]

I'm here and caught up. The next move needed seems to be Regfan > MoveChecker uninsured.

Yes?

---

Not so sure that Soda is town. I don't like the whole switchflip thing.

Also, not liking the entire Fate situation (but then, I don't like anything Fate does, so).

[Nobody Special]

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Regfan

Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance? N

Submitted.

[Nobody Special]

I believe I have one chit left, so I can send Hito > Villa.

Yes?

[Nobody Special]

Oh, yeah. Forgot.

Well, then, I can't.

[Nobody Special]

Also your action is a move from the monastery so it costs 2 anyway.

I'll send hito to the villa myself if nobody else shows up.

So I have zero chits left.

[Nobody Special]

I believe deadline just passed.

[Nobody Special]

Vote: Fate

You can just DIAF for all I care.

[Nobody Special]

I don't know who else is in the game,

This, among other anti-town things that have been posted, is why Fate needs to be lynched when that becomes an available option.

unvote

I'm willing to vote for soda or tclaw. Both need to hang, with Amrun as a not-so-distant third.

I may not be here for deadline; can we start talking about moves to be made this round?

[Nobody Special]

I hate meta, but I have to remember that Reck replaced out of Soda's spot. That in itself makes me think the slot is town, even though Soda is scum.

Ignore this, I just felt it had to be said.

[Nobody Special]

You don't have to be moved for Andy to go into the Nexus. It can hold 5 people.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Can we please wait to lynch him?

I want to move Andy to the Nexus and test the tunnel before nightfall.

I personally don't trust you enough to put you in potions. Sorry.


As much as Soda seems scummy, I am rather more sure that tcl is.

Vote: tclawren

It would be nice if we could lynch prior to the next round, so scum can't fuck with us any further. The tunnel test thing can wait, I think.

[Nobody Special]

I think the right move is to just lynch before deadline tomorrow.

This. So much this.

I'm willing to vote tclawren (my current vote), Plum, Soda (much less so, but).

[Nobody Special]

I'd love all 6 people on Soda's wagon to briefly reiterate their case.

[Nobody Special]

That was the deadline for Night actions. Tonight's deadline for Round 1 is in about 4 hours, 45 minutes.

[Nobody Special]

Things to do this round:
Regfan to move checker insured
TCL -> Monastery (so NS can start the party)
Me -> Monastery (begin journey to potion room)
Shut Nexus -> Rage door to keep the tunnel from getting abused.
Maybe move Naut to the chair insured just to make tipping point stuff :really: notgoingtohappen.

Alternatively just locking me in the panic room by shutting the door as a permabulletproof townie is also a good plan.
Seems fairly likely Plum is scum though.
Or maybe Naut is.
LLD -> Villa

Should we maybe start thinking about making moves?

Two hours, ten minutes.

[Nobody Special]

I'll give the four Doobies a chance to make moves first; I'll make a move (if needed) just prior to deadline or before I leave for dinner (if I go).

[Nobody Special]

Game is Now Open for voting, etc. Round 1 moves are due by 22:00 EDT today

@MOD: WE STILL HAVE 45 MINUTES.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, 41. But still.

[Nobody Special]

#MOVE

Player to Move

: tclawren

Room to Move to

: Rageatorium

Insurance?

:

Uninsured, right?

[Nobody Special]

Submitting:

#MOVE

Player to Move

: tclawren

Room to Move to

: Rageatorium

Insurance?

: N

[Nobody Special]

Someone mentioned I should throw a party.

Good idea/bad idea?

[Nobody Special]

If we want hito in the thread, all we have to do is move him.

[Nobody Special]

I would assume that means he wants out.

Hito, if you confirm vote me, we'll move you.


Naut: The SV may restrict players from moving themselves, at all. I'm not sure if anyone's yet moved themselves out from there. I'll have to check.

[Nobody Special]

hito, if you have a chit left, and can move yourself to the party and will do so, Vote me, please.

If you still want/need us to move you, vote someone else.

After that, hito will have no more communication with us till next round.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, I've spent two chits to throw the party; should I move hito?

We only have 35 minutes.

[Nobody Special]

Can LLD move herself to the Party?

[Nobody Special]

I really don't like the idea of potioning Zaj.

Andrius isn't looking so good, now, either, for wanting to.

[Nobody Special]

Fascinating. I wish I understood.

[Nobody Special]

Nautilius, did you move yourself to the Party? If so, why?

[Nobody Special]

Oh, okay. Why didn't you post it inthread, then?

[Nobody Special]

To Hito and LB in the Villa Naut. With no starting shot.

Am I the only person having trouble parsing this?

[Nobody Special]

So, tcl to the Electric Chair?

I don't think I can move someone to the party.

[Nobody Special]

We have 8 minutes.

[Nobody Special]

Well, it needs to be done:

Vote: tclawren

Nothing new, just realized I wasn't voting and there's no need not to at this time.

[Nobody Special]

...unless it's to the Party Room.

[Nobody Special]

Are there any moves to be made this round?

What are we waiting for, exactly?

[Nobody Special]

People I would be willing to vote for today:

tclaw (that's where my vote is now), Plum, Baby Spice, maaaaaybe LLD.

I would like to hear more from Andrius.

Because I don't want to re-read 79 pages for one tiny thing, does anyone recall any player being suspicious of Llamarble so far?

[Nobody Special]

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Electric Chair

Insurance?:

No

Submitted.

[Nobody Special]

So, unless Regfan has a really good reason for thinking BS is town, here's what I want from the rest of today:
Maru -> Security room
Zajnet -> Potions room

I will not be here for deadline today; I'm leaving in about two hours for the rest of the day/evening.


Tell me which move to make, please.

I could go for a BS lynch, but I'd rather lynch tclaw today.

[Nobody Special]

He could've been LYING. You know, to cover for a buddy?

:headdesk:

[Nobody Special]

I think we should lynch, and I think Zaj should stop about the potions.

[Nobody Special]

I would like that.

[Nobody Special]

I would prefer that BS be shot. Her crazy claim is just ... no.

Kill it with fire. Or, you know, a bullet.

[Nobody Special]

Oh. I hadn't realized anyone was actively waiting for that claim.

I was Klazam's buddy. I hardly see how it matters, though.

[Nobody Special]

That's L-2. Llamarble would be L-1.

Llamarble, why haven't you voted TC yet, if you want him lynched today?

[Nobody Special]

I think that rather than try to get around the priority mafia moves, we should just lynch and start fresh tomorrow. I know we'll be missing an investigation, but I think we're running out of time. And perhaps chits.


P-Edit: Just one more.

[Nobody Special]

I'm also here if we need more moves this round. I like the plan thus far.

[Nobody Special]

I am reasonably sure that the chits are used from most-restrictive to least. IOW, you use two blue chits whether you want to or not. (

I'd have to check the rules

I can't find it, but I think that's what Zor said.)

[Nobody Special]

I SWEAR I READ ALL THE RULES. Apparently not that one, though.

25 minutes to deadline.

Does anyone have a summary of what moves have been made so far?
I'll probably make in in the next couple minutes.

[Nobody Special]

Spoiler: Moves so far

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Hito

Room to Move to:

Villa

Insurance?:

Yes

That correct? If so it'll be sent in very soon.

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Regfan

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Yes

This be sending in from the resident Blue Lantern.

#MOVE hito submits

Player to Move: Hito
Action: Reload
Insurance: No

#MOVE for NobodySpecial to submit

Player to Move:

Regfan

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

No

Andy, I'm a very visual person; it helps to see it all in one place.

So, I'm submitting the move above -- AFTER Andy confirms he has sent his move in.. Everyone else has submitted theirs?

[Nobody Special]

Oh, yes.

Okay, sending mine in, as above.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, sent this:

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Regfan

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

No

[Nobody Special]

Party is in full swing.

[Nobody Special]

So, what jumps out at me is that BS is at L-2, and either hito or Andy could hammer, but neither are. I admit I'm not clear what their reads on her are; I'm going to go skim their isos to get a better handle on that.

But I'm (st this point) okay with a BS lynch. If this changes I'll let y'all know.

[Nobody Special]

I'm a bit muddled, at the moment, on current reads at this point. While I'm reading isos, anyone wanna tell me what the general consensus if on hito? Is he 3rd party or town vig?

[Nobody Special]

Baby Spice definitely comes across as the scum here, unless its hito_SK and nerfed_Vig or hito_SK and nerfed_scumvig but I don't know right now. I'd vote BS over hito in the blink of an eye though.

Almost 2000 posts in the game before Andy even mentions BS.

How do you feel about BS now, Andy? Are you not hammering because to do so would be killing your buddy?

ok so hito i'd rather have BS try and prove this power of hers than just killing her outright.
then again it DOES waste some time as it would take a couple nights...

And here, again, you'd rather not kill her.

unvote

Vote: Andrius

I just don't trust you. At all. And you know why, too.

[Nobody Special]

Again with the reading of the rules. You're in the Rageatorium, she's in the Rageatorium, your vote on her is doubled.

If you agree to hammer, I'll vote her again.

Or, you vote her, I'll hammer.

Either way.