Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Feysal]

The way the posts keep pouring in already in pregame, this game seems destined to become a juggernaut of pages. I've read two pages, and I've seen some good ideas and bad ideas, some things I've wanted to comment on, and someone saying exactly what I wanted to a few posts later. I have my own thoughts about all this, but clearly I have to read first and then summarize just about everything. If all the good ideas are scattered in short posts all over the thread this is going to become a madhouse. We're going to have to agree on some form of centralized planning, or we're just going to get in each other's way. Posting all moves in public is only part of it, we're also going to have to cooperate if we want to put the people we want where we want them. The chit cost of moving other people heavily favors teamwork over trying to move yourself.

For starters, I think we need to agree on a clear format for posting moves. I already saw Fate posting a move to monastery - does he intend to spend two chits to move himself there? Why not have someone else move him for half the cost? What about insurance? I want to keep track of not only moves, but chit expenditure, and for that I will require accurate data.

Suggestion: every time you move yourself or anyone else, you do so by filling this form, posting it in thread and sending it to zoraster:

Code: Select all

[area=MOVE]
[b]Player to Move:[/b] (name of player)
[b]Room to Move to:[/b] (name of room)
[b]Insurance?:[/b] (Yes/No)
[/area]

MOVE

Player to Move:

(name of player)

Room to Move to:

(name of room)

Insurance?:

(Yes/No)

[Feysal]

Finished reading, time to start writing. Several good ideas and points have been made by different players, and I don't think I'll bother trying to give credit. I will be making an effort to summarize everything of importance, sort of like hitogoroshi did in Stars Aligned III with his investigators' reference. It would make me happy if I could point people to read my posts if they get confused about what is happening and why. And mark my words, there is

definitely

going to be plenty of confusion in this game.

So much for the preamble, now to business. I think I'll start here.

Llmarble wasn't obviously town because of his "Claim the Chits and Moves before we do them" thing. Giving scum that info is anti-town.

Wrong. WRONG.

Let me explain how this game works. There is limited space in each room. Right now there is not even enough space to move everyone out of the nexus into adjoining rooms. What does this mean? It means that there is massive potential for conflicting actions. People will try moving into areas where there is no space for them. People will bump and stumble on each other trying to get where they want to go. This will spend a massive number of chits, and sooner than you know it, most players will be out of chits, and shot all over the map seemingly at random.

That

is what is going to happen if people do not post their moves before they happen. It will be chaos, and the mafia won't even need to spend chits to mess with the town. The town is going to do it for them.

I guarantee it.

Therefore, claiming moves before they happen is not anti-town. Giving that information to the scum is a necessary evil. Withholding that information from the town?

That

is anti-town. If we keep moves secret until they happen, the mafia can just fabricate whatever they want based on the actual results. We don't want to let them do that. We want the town to work together, and to lock the mafia down with claims.

I expect all moves to be posted in thread before they happen.

Preferably I would want all moves to be planned ahead to avoid conflicts with other players. In my opinion, the chaos that would result from

not

doing it like this is all the reason you need.

Stupid question, but is there a reason we can't just do the following:

-hito, Andrius, and LB move to Villa (within two or three rounds).
-We stay there for however many rounds it takes to strategize or communicate information or strategize.

Now don't you forget about me! Strategy is something I excel at, and I want in. No offense to hito, but in Stars Aligned III the cult worked around and punched loopholes into his plans for much of the game, and Andrius should remember I was responsible for much of that. I'm not going to miss out on this chance to do what I do best.

Now, something I have to say about the rooms. There are a number of duty stations in the game, by which I mean rooms that should be manned by our most trusted players. Security Room and Move Checker are the two most crucial. As has been said, it is not vital to have a town player at Door Control, since whatever happens to doors is completely transparent. I would like to note though that this can be a significant reason why mafia would want to be there. They can open and close doors and thus appear to be helping the town, and during the night they can visit the Secluded Villa to kill one of the more pro-town players gathered there. The door can't be closed, so it could not be prevented.

The Secluded Villa serves another purpose I've not seen anyone mention yet: claiming. Our power roles will want to share their information for it to be useful, but they won't want flashing neon signs over their heads saying "I'm a power role, kill me!" In the Secluded Villa they will have the chance to at least claim to reasonably trusted players, and if it results in their death... it tells us someone in the villa was probably not worthy of being trusted.

I really don't agree with the Secluded Villa being used as an interrogation chamber. In my experience it is much easier to deceive someone in a private conversation than in a public one, with more suspicious eyes watching you. To give an example, my mafia buddy hitogoroshi somehow talked Andrius into lying for him in Court of the Gods. Excuse me if I don't take your ability to read each other accurately for granted.

The Campfire will be the obvious place to move all our suspects when night arrives. If we're worried about the Tipping Point, we can simply close that door. I'm really not worried, since if the mafia spent four chits to move four players into Tipping Point, we could probably catch them for spending those chits.

[Feysal]

Ooh I like that Feysal post, But Feysal can you include outstanding necessary moves in your summaries if we're using your ISO to coordinate town activity?

I will try my best, and hope I will not burn myself out keeping track of all this.

I'm not exactly sure what the rush is to get Maruchan into Door Control. I would've been content doing it in two phases, but since this plan is already being executed, I'll go along with it.

Spoiler: MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Ragetorium

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Panic Room

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

REMAINING MOVES IN ORDER OF PRIORITY

Maruchan to Door Control, uninsured
Klazam to Campfire, insured
Klazam to Move Tracker, uninsured
hitogoroshi to Rageatorium, uninsured
Andrius to Rageatorium, uninsured

Lower priority moves have not yet been agreed upon by many people... but I'd be happy if we manage to get even these moves done in time.

My action for the phase:

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Door Control

Insurance?:

N

[Feysal]

I would move anyone anywhere, and waste my chits, as an act of good faith.

But I was told not to. If anyone wishes to change their stance on me wasting my chits, just pipe up and say so

Opening and closing doors costs chits. You can't waste them, because you have many doors to open and close, and you need your chits for that.

[Feysal]

Wait, am I not moving hito to the Rageatorium?

That move is on the to-do list, though there are higher priority ones. You can do it if you want.

Also who's going to the security room? Marble?

Maybe. We're not really in a rush to decide, since that duty station only needs to be manned when night starts. Move Checker is immediately useful, and therefore higher priority.

[Feysal]

Update.

Spoiler: MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Ragetorium

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Panic Room

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Door Control

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

hitogoroshi

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

N

REMAINING MOVES IN ORDER OF PRIORITY

Fate to Monastery, insured (did Nautilus submit this?)
Andrius to Rageatorium, uninsured

[Feysal]

DAY 1 PREGAME ROUND: Final Data

Spoiler: MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Ragetorium

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Panic Room

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Door Control

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

hitogoroshi

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Andrius

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Monastery

Insurance?:

Y

All above moves appear to have taken place as planned.

Now we need to start voting, and planning where to move the rest of the players. We should probably aim to spend all of our chits, since that will be necessary to isolate any mafia trying to mess with the town.

[Feysal]

Good things to do this round:
Help Maruchan hold position.
Help Klazam hold position.

I don't agree on these two. I have a reason for this, but I'd rather not explain it in public, maybe in the Secluded Villa if I get the chance to visit it. For now, suffice to say that if we don't use this kind of actions we might be able to get the mafia to slip up.

[Feysal]

Finished reading new posts, and damn, I've got plenty of replying to do. Expect a wall post in a few.

[Feysal]

I do think Maruchan, at least, should be helped to sit still since him getting dislodged sets us back 2 turns in the process of setting up our desired nighttime configuration.

I don't think that would be such a bad thing. Consider that opening and closing a door is equivalent to a move, and costs chits. Maruchan has only five, so if we want to open or close any more doors, we're going to have to switch the player in Door Control anyway. It only takes one round to move someone back into Door Control, no big deal if you ask me.

I concur. Feysal, you disagree with locking in Maruchan?

Reluctantly. If we're going to do it though, I'd prefer it to be done by someone we trust.

While I'm on this subject...

Planning on sending this non-move for Maruchan:

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Door Control

Insurance?

: Yes

NO.

If we want to spend chits to keep Maruchan where he is, the correct way is to use an

insured non-move

. Making an insured move of Maruchan to Door Control - where he already is - is an utter waste of chits of the worst sort. I hope this was not submitted yet.

I have not forgotten, and would be fine with you in the Villa. We can make it work. You were definitely the brains in the Cult with VP; Spy and I were the Insanity Sponges. 8P

Maybe at some point in the game, but frankly, I think I'm more useful talking in the thread. What I meant was not that I'd want to go to the villa immediately, just that I'd like to be included in strategic planning.

The Villa is my home.

I hope you don't mean this literally. You like neighborhoods and masons, I get that, but if your voice is not heard in the thread, people will have doubts about whether they can trust you. You should spend some time outside the villa too.

Finally, the Potion Room. I

heavily

disagree with Klazam about the Potion Room. This should be abused the fuck out of. Fine, we need to watch out for Tipping Point, but we can at the least send people one at a time into and out of the Potion Room, and we should be doing this thing. If we can get 2-3 people in and out of there every Day, then this game is done.

Don't forget that the Potion Room not only grants powers to players, it also takes them away from those who already have them. If we were to move people into the Potion Room, that would pretty much force them to claim their power roles or lose them. I'm sure we can make use of this room later in the game, but right now... I don't want to open this can of worms yet.

A bad idea? Hmmm, no. It's actually a good plan if it weren't for something I know about this game that totally shatters it.

Seriously wrong? Oh yeah.

Okay. I have a hunch of what you might be talking about, will keep it to myself for now.

Okay guys what moves do we need to make for the day? Tclawren ensures and insures Maruchan stays where he is and I saw a few more. Is anyone else wanting to go anywhere?

I don't think I want tclawren to perform that move, or the insured non-move I mentioned above. Either we let whoever happens to be online do it, or if I had to pick a town read to do it, I'd go with Klazam.

[Feysal]

Move deadline is in 30 minutes, if we want to do something, we better hurry.

Spoiler: MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Plum

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Llamarble

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

REMAINING MOVES IN ORDER OF PRIORITY

Llamarble to War Room, uninsured
Feysal to The Switch, uninsured (unless we want to have further discussion on me going to the Security Room?)

DOOR ACTIONS

Open door between The Switch and Electric Chair, uninsured

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT

[Feysal]

Oh, and add

Lady Lambdadelta to Campfire, uninsured

to remaining moves, if she still wants to go there. When night comes, we'll want out more suspicious players there. Any group of five we can agree to stick there is bound to have town in it too, so there will be someone keeping watch.

[Feysal]

@ Feysal -

What's your reads on everyone at the moment?

I've busied myself with the strategy aspect, and not paid much attention to the scumhunting part to be honest. Let me get back to you on that once I've done some ISOs.

I'd like to point out that while we are on page 18, the game is still little over a day old. I can't really fault anyone for not having much in the way of reads yet.

[Feysal]

Reads in response to Regfan's query...

Lady Lambdadelta

Strong town read. I know, people suspect her for some reason, but I don't get why. Reading through her posts, I am even more confident I've guessed what she is talking about, and if I'm correct, it is not something the mafia would share with us. Seems to be scumhunting too.

xReckonerX

I'm getting a deja vu from his play in Consulmaker II where he was scum, but that may just be Reck being Reck, since I've never played with him as town. Don't like the fact that he has 24 posts mostly about nothing though.

hitogoroshi

ISO reading works. I did not see him as obvtown until I did that, and now I get why people trust him. I know he has a knack of appearing town even when he is not though, so that flicker of paranoia will stay there until extinguished, but for now I believe he is town.

Fate

Not actively playing or reading, and hiding in the Panic Room until he can be more active, because he is on V/LA. Insufficient material to say anything of consequence.

Nautilius (Nachomamma8 + Ellibereth)

Everything we've heard so far is from Elli I take it? Now I get why El Goosuki was so hated and got mislynched in Stars Aligned III. I don't like this slot one bit, but it could easily be town anyway. I hope when Nacho catches up it becomes more readable.

Baby Spice

Only four posts so far, and two of them were about moves. Seems townish though, but not a strong read by any standards.

Plum

Seems okay so far, but I'm not that proficient at reading her, and she has few posts so far. Reserving judgement.

iamausername

Don't like his idea of randomizing who goes where, but I don't see it having an obvious benefit for scum. He seemed a bit alarmist about Maruchan going to Door Control, and seems to have dropped the subject since, which makes me wonder.

Magua

Okay, I don't get his suspicion of Klazam, and his fight with Regfan seems to involve meta and things that happened in other games, rather than here. I'm not liking this.

tclawren

He seems to have been initially voted just because he was not active in pregame, and that snowballed into him becoming a suspect. After ISO reading him I no longer see why. There is nothing all that bad in there, rather I'd say he is townish at the time.

Andrius

Played with him before, and his play seems par for the course. I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary about him to suspect him for. Probably town.

Klazam

One of my strongest town reads. Not only does he seem to be working to organize things, he has posted ideas, listened to counterarguments, and changed his mind on occasion. That looks like a town thought process all over.

Zajnet

Who?

Maruchan

I was worried when he volunteered for Door Control, since that is a position where mafia can appear to be doing pro-town things while satying conveniently close to the Secluded Villa and the town players who gather there. His later posts have calmed me, and I think he is town.

Llamarble

Town for his major effort organizing the town, but I wish I could say the same about his scumhunting. I trust him for now, but I expect I will be paranoid about him for some time to come.

Amrun

Can't say I would agree with her reads. I disagree about Maruchan, and while I am less certain about tclawren, the "oblique approach to LLD" is simply a bad reason to suspect him. Suspicious.

Regfan

Another town organizer, and looks like town for it. If I had to pick a side in his fight with Magua, I would pick him. I don't agree with everything he has said, for example the comment about replacements having to post their reads was weak when aimed at Magua, considering he replaced in during pregame.

Nobody Special

Decent number of posts, but low on content. Not seeing anything too scummy about him. Wait and see.

Lost Butterfly

I thought I saw them stand up for tclawren twice, but can only find one now, and I'm not so sure about that either. Fairly null at the moment, partly because I'm dead tired and skimmed through this last ISO. Sue me, I'll read them in more detail later.

[Feysal]

Okay, I see someone moved Maruchan into the Secluded Villa without claiming it. That means it was probably done by scum.

Now it is time I revealed why I did not want non-moves to be used. The problem with them is that they are inherently impossible to confirm as having taken place, except by Move Checker. Suppose a scum player says he used a non-move on someone, but does nothing and keeps the chit? The town would never know since there is no visible effect. This is by far not the only way scum can pretend to have used chits so they can mess with town later, and I want to nip this in the bud. I want chit expenditure to be confirmable, otherwise we're wasting our time trying to keep track.

The other reason I did not want Maruchan to be locked into place with a non-move was because I was

hoping

for mafia to mess with us. It is only round two, which means that someone spent a chit. This was not done with factional mafia moves. That is why I'm thrilled by this, since we now have the capability of catching whoever moved Maruchan and lynching confirmed scum today.

I propose the following:

for the next few rounds we will be using all of our chits on confirmable moves. That means uninsured moves on other people, using one chit at a time. That way there is no chance of the mafia keeping any extra chits. Whoever moved Maruchan is one chit short, so that someone will not be able to complete all moves assigned to them. When that happens, we will have a confirmed scum to lynch.

Comments? Objections?

[Feysal]

Note: Last Round Blue Chits will be accepted!

@MOD

: Rules say blue chits are valid for first three rounds. It is now round two. Does that not mean that we have until next round to spend them?

[Feysal]

P.EDIT: Regarding Feysals plan: And when your sent-in move fails next round, how do you prove it wasn't a mafia no-move?

You don't. But if the mafia wants to use even more chits to do that, so much the better. It will cause the mafia to fail their moves also when they run out of chits.

[Feysal]

So let's say we go through an enormous organization session, putting bits on our toy with reckless abandon. At the end of it all, 8 people didn't have their moves go through and 3 people missed a move citing RL issues. Who's scum?

I rather doubt it would go that badly. We have eight rounds to spend five chits each, and some have spent some already. Even if people skip a day here or there, it does not matter, they can spend their chits the next day.

Should we have a situation where eight people failed to have their moves work, that group of eight is going to contain multiple scum. Scum have to spend at least one chit to make a non-move on a town player, or two, since non-moves without insurance may not work. The cost to scum outweighs the cost to town, therefore if the scum try to mess with the plan any further, they'll just end up exposing more of their number.

[Feysal]

@ Feysal -

As I said previously, the plan doesn't work due to mafia having used blue chits and a complete lack of time for us to test everyone's blue chits remaining. It's not worth even attempting due to the massive amount of effort and confusion it'll lead towards.

It is not round 3, it is round 2. Two rounds left to use blue chits, unless I'm mistaken.

I can at least try to draw up a plan to use all blue chits. If I cannot do that and have all moves confirmable, I will give up on this idea.

[Feysal]

@ Feysal -

It's round 3. I've sent in 2 PMs to Zoraster two different rounds ie. This is 100% round 3.

mafiascum.net - View topic - Strategy Mafia (D1

R2

)

We've had two rounds, yes. Pregame and round 1. This is round 2.

[Feysal]

Looked up all moves myself, though Klazam seems to have it covered.

Spoiler: MOVES SUBMITTED

MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Door control

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lady Lambdadelta

Room to Move to:

Monastery

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lady Lambdadelta

Room to Move to:

Party Room

Insurance?:

N

REMAINING MOVES IN ORDER OF PRIORITY

hitogoroshi to Secluded Villa, uninsured
Andrius to Secluded Villa, uninsured
Lost Butterfly to Secluded Villa, uninsured

DOOR ACTIONS

Open door between The Switch and Electric Chair, uninsured

It occurs to me that Maruchan may have spent his blue chit already on trying to open a door. He was moved out of Door Control, and if that move took effect before opening a door, it would have caused that action to fail. Now that he is being moved back he may spend a chit this round to open a door, since that will take effect after he has been moved to Door Control.

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT

[Feysal]

Some thoughts on what is going on...

I like the plans about using the Party Room, particularly the part about it being used to confirm that players have chits, since they can only be used by players on themselves to move into the party. That will probably be useful at a later stage in the game. For now, I'm giving up on my idea of trying to figure out who messed with Maruchan. After seeing zoraster's reply, there just is not enough time to spend blue chits, and even if there was, organizing it all would be a nightmare. I'm sure it can be done, but it is a plan we might try again in mid-game, when there are less players, less moving pieces, and less ways the plan could fail.

I am still confused about the deadlines for using chits though. The rules say that blue chits can be used during the first three rounds of a day, not that they have to be used by round three. I did not reckon the pregame round would count as part of the day. Does this mean that on later days, blue chits can in fact be used only during rounds one and two?

@MOD:

Could you explain this?

[Feysal]

The rounds are when moves are made. Right now Round 2 has occurred and Round 3 is coming up.

So in other words, we are not in round 2, round 2 has ended, and round 3 is about to. That would mean pregame was in fact round 1.

If it makes it clearer I can change the title of the thread to the round coming up rather than the round that's just passed if it makes it easier.

It would make sense to me if the title contained the currently

ongoing

round, so yes, I think that would help against the confusion.

[Feysal]

Okay. So I'm moving Plum into the villa? Correct?

I looked back why Plum wanted to get to the Rageatorium, and she said something about wanting to get into the villa with Andrius.

The villa can only hold three, so one of the people in Rageatorium has to be left out. Maybe we could leave Andrius out for now, and he can join others in the villa later when he is not on V/LA? Then we could move hito, LB and Plum there for starters.

[Feysal]

Spoiler: D1 R1 MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Panic Room

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Door Control

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

hitogoroshi

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Andrius

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Fate

Room to Move to:

Monastery

Insurance?:

Y

Spoiler: D1 R2 MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Plum

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Door Control

Insurance?

: Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Llamarble

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Llamarble

Room to Move to:

War Room

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Feysal

Room to Move to:

The Switch

Insurance?:

N

Notes:

Did tclawren submit his move?
Unknown player moved Maruchan to Secluded Villa.

Spoiler: D1 R3 MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Door control

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Klazam

Room to Move to:

Move Checker

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lady Lambdadelta

Room to Move to:

Monastery

Insurance?:

Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lady Lambdadelta

Room to Move to:

Party Room

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

N

#MOVE

Player to Move:

hitogoroshi

Room to Move to:

Secluded Villa

Insurance?:

N

#DOOR

Door to Open:

Electric Chair - The Switch

Insurance?:

N

Let's try something different and plan now instead of the final hours of the day.

#CHITS

Baby Spice: 1
Lady Lambdadelta: 0
Klazam: 1
Regfan: 1
Amrun: 3
Fate: 3
Llamarble: 3
Magua: 3
Nautilius: 3
Nobody Special: 3
tclawren: 3 (4?)
Andrius: 4
Feysal: 4
hitogoroshi: 4
iamausername: 4
Lost Butterfly: 4
Maruchan: 4
Plum: 4
SodaSpirit17: 4
Zajnet: 4

Spoiler: D1 R4 MOVES SUBMITTED

#PARTY

Host party

REMAINING MOVES

Everyone in Nexus self-moves to Party Room
Maruchan self-moves to Party Room
Maruchan to Rageatorium, insured
Maruchan to Nexus, insured
Maruchan to Nexus, insured
Maruchan to Campfire, uninsured
Feysal to Electric Chair, insured
Feysal to Security Room, uninsured
Lost Butterfly to Door Control, uninsured
Andrius to Secluded Villa, uninsured
Plum to Secluded Villa, uninsured

DOOR ACTIONS

None

The moves above are according to what Klazam planned, and other ideas can be proposed. The list of chits should be accurate, except maybe for scum.

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT

[Feysal]

Even if everyone wanted me there, you still should have moved me uninsured, and I can explain why if nobody else sees my reasoning. I would just prefer not to help the scum out, which explaining why will do.

I think there was reason to make that move insured, since that allowed you to open the door at the end of the round. Otherwise there would have been a 50% chance of you failing to open the door.

I'm not sure for what reason you think the move should have been uninsured, but you can keep that to yourself if you want.

[Feysal]

#CHITS

Baby Spice: 1
Lady Lambdadelta: 0
Regfan: 0
Klazam: 1
Magua: 2
Amrun: 3
Andrius: 3
Fate: 3
iamausername: 3
Llamarble: 3
Maruchan: 3
Nautilius: 3
Nobody Special: 3
Plum: 3
tclawren: 3 (4?)
Feysal: 4
hitogoroshi: 4
Lost Butterfly: 4
SodaSpirit17: 4
Zajnet: 4

Spoiler: D1 R4 MOVES SUBMITTED

#PARTY

Host party

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Regfan

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Magua

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Andrius

Room to Move to

: Secluded Villa

Insurance?

: N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Plum

Room to Move to

: Secluded Villa

Insurance?

: N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: iamausername

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

REMAINING MOVES

Everyone in Nexus self-moves to Party Room
Maruchan to Rageatorium, uninsured
Feysal to Electric Chair, uninsured
hitogoroshi/Lost Butterfly to Door Control, insured

DOOR ACTIONS

None

As I write this, there are still seven players in Nexus, meaning the path to move Maruchan to Potion Room is blocked. I have altered the plan to move him to Rageatorium, so that we at least make some progress this round.

The right way to solve the problem of Andrius and Plum moving to Secluded Villa is to move either hitogoroshi or Lost Butterfly into Door Control. We want someone at Door Control anyway, and the people currently at the villa are the best choices, being nearby and having enough chits.

As far as I can tell, both hitogoroshi and Lost Butterfly have yet to use their confirm votes this round. If you have any sort of preference which one of you wants to get into Door Control, I'd like the one who wants to get there to signal this by confirm voting someone. If I hear nothing, I will just move one of you.

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT

[Feysal]

WOAH WOAH WOAH.

Where's the insured non-move for me? I need to stay in that party room >.>

There was some talk about that not being necessary, since even if you're forced out, someone else in the Party Room can take over as host.

[Feysal]

I see hitogoroshi online in Theme Park, but not posting a confirm vote here. I interpret this so that he wants to stay in the villa for one more round.

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to

: Door Control

Insurance?

: Y

[Feysal]

Too late. I believe we just passed deadline, and if I'd done it, it would've spent all of my chits.

[Feysal]

Spoiler: D1 R4 MOVES SUBMITTED

#PARTY

Host party

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Regfan

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Magua

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Andrius

Room to Move to

: Secluded Villa

Insurance?

: N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Plum

Room to Move to

: Secluded Villa

Insurance?

: N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: iamausername

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Baby Spice

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Feysal

Room to Move to

: Electric Chair

Insurance?

: N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Lost Butterfly

Room to Move to

: Door Control

Insurance?

: Y

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Rageatorium

Insurance?

: N

#CHITS

Baby Spice: 0
Lady Lambdadelta: 0
Regfan: 0
Klazam: 1
Maruchan: 1
Feysal: 2
Magua: 2
Amrun: 3
Andrius: 3
Fate: 3
hitogoroshi: 3
iamausername: 3
Llamarble: 3 + 1
Nautilius: 3
Nobody Special: 3
Plum: 3
tclawren: 3 (4?)
Lost Butterfly: 4
SodaSpirit17: 4
Zajnet: 4

Spoiler: D1 R5 MOVES SUBMITTED

Nothing yet!

REMAINING MOVES

Everyone in Nexus self-moves to Party Room
Maruchan to Nexus, insured
Maruchan to Campfire, uninsured
Feysal to Security Room, uninsured

DOOR ACTIONS

None

No mafia interference this round, it seems. Yesterday I posted the plan soon after the phase started precisely so that people who had not yet used their chits could start doing so. Now the more active players are running out of chits, so it is time for certain people to start doing something. Clearing the Nexus should not be that hard to do.

I'm not sure I agree on the door between The Switch and Electric Chair to be closed. It would make more sense to move me to Security Room and then close the door between Electric Chair and Security Room. Otherwise I would pretty much count on the mafia using a spare chit to move me into the Electric Chair just as night begins, making me useless. Closing the door behind me would prevent that.

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT

[Feysal]

But then won't we have to close both? The whole point is we didn't want someone to be forced into the electric chair by scum I thought?

Like Lost Butterfly said, the Electric Chair is only dangerous if there are enough people in the Switch to trigger it. And let's not forget that triggering requires the majority of the people in the Switch to cooperate, so if the mafia really tried to execute a townie this way, they would confirm that the majority of those in the Switch was scum. Not a good trade for them to make, I'd say.

[Feysal]

Now that I think of it, moving me to the Security Room and closing the door next round is vulnerable to interference. It could be better to move me there with insurance, then closing the door this round.

[Feysal]

#CHITS

Baby Spice: 0
Lady Lambdadelta: 0
Magua: 0
Regfan: 0
Klazam: 1
Maruchan: 1
Amrun: 2
Feysal: 2
Nobody Special: 2
Andrius: 3
Fate: 3
hitogoroshi: 3
iamausername: 3
Llamarble: 3 + 1
Nautilius: 3
Plum: 3
tclawren: 3
Lost Butterfly: 4
SodaSpirit17: 4
Zajnet: 4

Spoiler: D1 R5 MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Nobody Special

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Amrun

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Feysal

Room to Move to

: Security Room

Insurance?

: Y

#MOVE

Player to Move

: tclawren

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

REMAINING MOVES

Maruchan to Nexus, insured
Maruchan to Campfire, uninsured

DOOR ACTIONS

Close door between Electric Chair and Security Room, uninsured

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT[/quote]

[Feysal]

I'm amused to see Faraday try his daykill gambit again. It was obvious to me, since he tried it on me a few weeks ago. It makes me feel better about both him and tclawren too, and I also would not expect scum to mess with Maruchan and admit it. That makes him probable town in my books. (I reserve the right to use male pronouns when speaking of Faraday as an individual, I don't care if Mina forces him to play in drag.)

#438 - To Andrius, re: Secluded Villa: "if your voice is not heard in the thread, people will have doubts about whether they can trust you." Something about this strikes me as off. I think it's that Feysal doesn't seem to be at all concerned about whether people

should

trust Andrius.

Are you saying I should be concerned about his alignment? I've seen nothing out of the ordinary from Andrius so far. My concern, such as it was, was that he would stay in the villa too much, denying the town the chance to read him properly. Even if I was concerned about him being scum, I would still prefer the town to suspect him for his posts, and not for hiding in the villa, since that would make any attempt to lynch him a shot in the dark.

#495 - There's quite a lot of "I'll decide more about this person later" kind of things, which stray close to my number #1 favourite 100% accurate scum tell, but nothing that I'd call definitive. His Llamarble comment is the worst in that regard.

But yeah, he seems awfully reluctant to give any solid town reads here, and I see a distinct lack of any drive to see any particular person lynched. I think it's quite likely that he is scum using strategy to look active and useful. Need to see a lot more scumhunting from him.

I'm getting a rather strong feeling of deja vu from this. I suggest you have a look at my play in Mafia Holographica. Be sure to check out why Gammagooey suspected me, and how that suspicion played out. Then come back and tell me whether you still think I am suspicious for this.

I am no more eager now to jump on early tells than I was then. I feel uncertain about the majority of players, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. If you want to have solid town reads from me, you will wait until I have them.

And fuck it, I'm gonna stop there for now, this game is depressing me. I'll get to the rest probably tomorrow. If I'm not DEAD already!

If I am, please use my death as a cautionary tale and consider the possibility that lynching everyone who is not able to post a thousand words per hour, all day every day, may not actually be the best strategy to locating scum.

Got it. I would like to remind you though that this game is more active than most, and that we are expected to post at least once per day.

[Feysal]

Who was supposed to move you again?

tclawren. According to his claim, he should have had enough chits too. Since it was his second move, it should have cost him all of his remaining chits.

For a moment there I though I'd made a mistake, and the Nexus was still blocked when the insured move took effect. Then I remembered the self-moves to party take effect first anyway, so it should have worked.

Lady Lambdadelta was ejected from her own party, and Zajnet was shoved into Campfire. Particularly the latter move could have been made by the people in the villa, so I'm not going to jump to conclusions.

(That's the third account Faraday has used this game. Wonder if we get to see Twilight Sparkle here too?)

[Feysal]

Well, that explains it then. Did not realize that the insurance cost would be doubled too.

I guess now you need to ask whether you lost the three chits. The move was invalid, so you might not have spent any.

[Feysal]

Spoiler: D1 R5 MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Nobody Special

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Amrun

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Feysal

Room to Move to

: Security Room

Insurance?

: Y

#MOVE

Player to Move

: tclawren

Room to Move to

: Party Room

Insurance?

: N/A

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Nexus

Insurance?

: Y

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Campfire

Insurance?

: N

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Zajnet

Room to Move to

: Campfire

Insurance?

: N

Notes:

iamusername moved Lady Lambdadelta into Rageatorium without authorization.

#CHITS

Amrun: 0
Baby Spice: 0
Klazam: 0
Lady Lambdadelta: 0
Magua: 0
Regfan: 0
tclawren: 0
Llamarble: 1 + 1
Maruchan: 1
Feysal: 2
iamausername: 2?
Nobody Special: 2
Zajnet: 2
Andrius: 3
Fate: 3
hitogoroshi: 3
Nautilius: 3
Plum: 3
Lost Butterfly: 4
SodaSpirit17: 4

Spoiler: D1 R6 MOVES SUBMITTED

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Nexus

Insurance?

: Y

#MOVE

Player to Move:

Maruchan

Room to Move to:

Campfire

Insurance?:

Y

REMAINING MOVES

Maruchan to Campfire, uninsured

DOOR ACTIONS

Close door between Electric Chair and Security Room, uninsured

I think that trying to move iamusername into the Electric Chair to be executed is too much effort. Even the smaller things we've tried haven't succeeded very well, and trying such a large operation on top of everything else we still need to do would be to invite failure. We can lynch him today and save the chair for later use. We should still get Maruchan to Potion Room, and our suspects to Campfire.

If Amrun already submitted her move, it means we have two insured moves on Maruchan. There is now a 50% chance that the move to Campfire is resolved first, and fails. Cheapest way to fix this would be for someone else to submit an uninsured move of Maruchan to Campfire, which would take effect after the move to Nexus. That would mean Amrun's chits were wasted. Alternately we can try to get Maruchan to Tipping Point this round, which is not really necessary. He cannot get to Potion Room until next round anyway.

I'd be fine with Klazam in the Panic Room tonight. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have there, certainly not Fate, who for some strange reason acts like confirmed town without having done anything. The Panic Room would be wasted on him.

I still think it is a good idea to close the door to the Security Room. It might not protect me, but it will prevent me from being moved out by mafia.

I have no idea why Fate wants all doors open. I don't see the harm of opening the other door to the chair, but I'd like Fate to explain why it should be done.

Move deadline at 20:00 EDT

[Feysal]

You've got me all wrong, guys. I took LLD out of the party for her own good, she was getting totally wasted, I was worried about her.

Oh, and by the way, this is one of the funnier confessions I've seen. I am especially pleased by how you criticized me for not having enough solid town reads. Well, I have more town reads now, and perhaps some more suspects as well, once I think about it some more.

Fey- LB has 3 chits not 4.

Okay. I thought I'd recorded that move of Maruchan to Secluded Villa, but seems I forgot. Will fix in the next count.

Llama- we can insure the door close.

Insuring the door close would indeed prevent the mafia from messing with me, or at least make it harder.

[Feysal]

Sending this in, to make sure we at least get Maruchan as far as Campfire.

#MOVE

Player to Move

: Maruchan

Room to Move to

: Campfire

Insurance?

: N

[Feysal]

So, the game ended, and in a town victory? That is always nice, even though I have no strong feelings about it. I got pretty disconnected with this game after being killed so early, though I am glad I managed to avoid becoming mislynch bait through inactivity, which has happened too often. The quick pace of turns and having actions to manage all day long really helped there.

I guess my early reads were not too badly off the mark, for early game reads anyway. If I'd had to guess who killed me though, I'd have bet on Plum.

Some time I'm going to run an invitational with pairs of people who can't stand each other. There will be UK and Reck, Fate and.. well, let's be honest that could be a lot of people but LLD... who else, who else?

You could pair me up with Parama or Furcolow. If it were Parama, there would be intense scorn, though it might be one-sided. If it were Furcolow, there would be war.