Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Magister Ludi]

FOS: Kinetic

For lurking.

Flay, when is deadline? Did I just miss it somewhere?
It's under the map in the first post: afternoon of Wednesday, August 24th. -Flay

[Magister Ludi]

Well, your posting and behavior is what it is, and I'm glad we're not discussing that. However, I think that it is cult behavior, and you are cult. I think you would agree with me if we were discussing another player, but since its you, obviously you are going to claim you are still town

[Magister Ludi]

Batt, no need to get antsy, the other vig is 0/4 together you are 1/8 which is why I made that comment. You both my turn around and shot cult tonight, in which case I would be a very happy chappy.

I haven't looked at Bunnylover to see, actually. I'll do that now. It might be likely she is a recruit too, keep in mind there are up to five potentially, and I think xvart is a very strong choice for being a recruit.

[Magister Ludi]

Amrun, there is a treestumped cult recruiter still alive, no mafia in this game, sure, claim your targets.

[Magister Ludi]

If you sheep my vote on xvart for a bit until you read up, that would be a good idea.

Mostly, if you want to catch up, you want to look at players in isolation to see if their posting style has changed over the course of the game. You could just try and scum hunt today and then look for deviations tomorrow, there are probably several scum running around, treat it like a normal game.

[Magister Ludi]

I think it means he's cult. Its not lurkering per se, its a change in his playstyle and posting frequency that I'm zeroing in on.

Who is worse lurking? I haven't reread Bunnylover yet, is that someone you're suggesting?

[Magister Ludi]

ooba, what was the point of that question?

Still haven't isoed bunny, but I notice no one is voting for him, so is there really a pressing need to do so right now.

Cobblerfone immediatly becomes a less interesting lynch because xvart is on it. Not escaping my eye however is that the two other largest bandwagons are on xvart.

Still think xvart is very good lynch.

[Magister Ludi]

Zdenek

Early on day one he seems pretty resonable trying to figure out who the optimal night one recruit would be, making judgment calls looking back on that I agree with an adopting a pretty open tone when talking to people. I don't think he was recruited day one, for a variety of reasons, play, stature, so it will make sense to compare subsequent days with this one.

Day Two: Post four times over this period Sun Jun 19 - Sat Jul 2 which is a godawful level of activity. Does claim v/la, so I'm not sure anything can be read into here. Still, if you wanted to recruit him, night two could be optimal

Day Three: When referring to the DGB's suspicion of Katsuki, his way of latching on seems a little forced:

I'll have to look harder at Katsuki.

His iso 30 definintly comes across as a very careful and methodical post, which is a different feeling I get from his earlier day one stuff.

I show up in the Iso! Wooo. I think I did raise some valid concern there, because zdenek made a weird statement

All in all, he is either scum or very lazy town.

Which in a cult game Is indesicive enough to possibly mean cult. You want to be a little firmer with your accusations. Also, he spent several posts establishing what is true for most players (either town or cult)

Later: A few weaker votes, and some circular logic, he doesn't want to list claimed VT's but then his lynch list is over 50% of them, sheeping onto xvart in a wierd way (not that I mind).

I could move my vote here, after reading this.

[Magister Ludi]

Zdenek, what I was reading was a change in tone from first few days to later few days. You're 'careful' post didn't seem as forceful as you day one play had, with a lot of reads that felt like 'feeler' reads, testing the waters and talking sometimes for the sake of talking.

[Magister Ludi]

Point of order.

1. have ooba post
2. Have everyone absent for two days or more post again (NS, LLD)
3. Question for Yosarian
4. Chat some more
5. Lynch

[Magister Ludi]

Amrun, bvoigt claimed unrecruitable cult doctor.

Ooba, I am at 3.Police Garage/Substation.

Lets also ask this now. Why does 14 have that red explosion about it. And what is the place with a question mark on it?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... uaymap.png

[Magister Ludi]

Amrun, in your opinion, who is the best player remaining in this game?

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, as in if you were a cult you would want on your side at some point during the game.

I figured Yosarian for myself, which Is why i've been jailing him every night. You?

[Magister Ludi]

I'm not going down any road, I'm just asking your opinion.

I don't think I implied anywhere we would be lynching this person.

[Magister Ludi]

It could be a bussing, but considering how few mislynches the town can afford here, I'm really thinking the whole cult is just pushing for a mislynch here.

maybe, though that depend on the size of the cult right now. How many do you think there are?

I think this is the xvart wagon:

Magister Ludi, Cobblerfone, Bunnylover,

Amrun

, Zdenek, ooba

Now I guess it could be possible that there is a ton of cult on there. Though to analyze who is cult before xvart flips one way or the other is illogical, if he flips cult then everyone on this wagon looks a lot better.

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@Yos

Also, I was considering doing something with my jailkeeping tonight. Have someone else and you as my choices, and then flip a coin and choose which person to jailkeep. It has the potential of out WIFOMing Kinetic, and blocking a recruit since he won't know where I'm going, and if you have a power-role that is powerful enough to help the town, you have a chance to use it.

[Magister Ludi]

Cobble last posts reek.

Does anyone mind if I drop the hammer?

[Magister Ludi]

3326 is about the worst post I have ever seen in my exsistence in a mafia game.

[Magister Ludi]

Why do you want everyone location? What is the miniplan? Are you cult?

[Magister Ludi]

The only people doing the killing are the vigs, and if one of our cultdoc gets killed, we simply lynch the vigilante. We can assign players 1-9 and 10-17 to each vig, if one cult doc die and the other kill comes from within the subset of players, who know who is cult.

[Magister Ludi]

No, you implied you wanted to watch the cult docs

Mini-plan is that one of the cult-docs protect me while I watch one of the others.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, but I guess it could be argued xvart was the attempted wagon/counterwagon.

[Magister Ludi]

Just watch 3. The police station. You have two of the more powerful roles in the game both at the same place.

[Magister Ludi]

I don't think Hero knows if I am recruited or not outside of his own investigative abilities. I don't think it would be a waste of a watch anyways.

[Magister Ludi]

ooba, people aren't claiming locations, what are you going to do about that? Do you still want me to hold of hammering?

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@Herod

Our vig's claiming exactly who they are shooting is a very bad idea. If we wanted to, we could simply divide the player-list into numbers 1-9 for Batt to shoot into and 10-rest for NS to shoot into, and then hope for some good shots. Its probably the best way to prevent cross shots.

[Magister Ludi]

When I wake up in the morning the hammer cometh.

[Magister Ludi]

unvote

Vote: Zdenek

[Magister Ludi]

How in any way shape or form was that a quickhammer? There is maximum five cult, and I've stated my intent to hammer for two days now. Check my last posts. Check how long he has been at l-1.

Whats with the panic?

[Magister Ludi]

This is possibly lynch or lose Amrun, so you should take your vote off.

We now actually need to all completely mass claim after Herod posts.

[Magister Ludi]

My vote is probably going to wind up among, who are the three players I think have the highest chance of flipping cult. {Cobble (based on 3326), Xvart or Conspiracy}

[Magister Ludi]

My vote is probably going to wind up among, who are the three players I think have the highest chance of flipping cult. {Cobble (based on 3326), Xvart or Conspiracy}

EBWOP: My vote is probably going to wind up among, {Cobble (based on 3326), Xvart or Conspiracy} who are the three players I think have the highest chance of flipping cult.

[Magister Ludi]

Well, with the outside chance cult has been successful every night, that would put them at six recruits.

[Magister Ludi]

No.

Cult started with a night one recruit (1)
Night 1 (2)
Night 2 (3)
Night 3 (4)
Night 4 (5)
Night 5 (6)
Day 6 (today) would be six assuming they were able to recruit every singe night

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, I jailed Yosarian again last night, so thats probably what happened to your vig kill.

[Magister Ludi]

Flay can you tell people the day has started (or do it again in some cases)

It hasn't even been 24 hours; relax. I remind people 48 hours after Dawn. -Flay

[Magister Ludi]

Yos, of the two people you expressed suspicion of, who would you rather vote, Cobble or Conspiracy?

[Magister Ludi]

Why is that important Bunny?

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Anyways, I'm probably leaning towards a ConSpiracy lynch now too after a reread. Once everyone checks in and posts, i'm going to put a vote down there.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, outing who the town unrecruitables are doesn't help in any way shape or form here. If someone is unrecruitable, and doesn't reveal that, and is then targeted by the cult, then they just wasted a whole recruit for the cult (who have no idea what happened), and wasting cults recruits is definitely pro-town.

[Magister Ludi]

Just waiting on LLD and Flameaxe here.

[Magister Ludi]

I feel confident in this

Vote: ConSpiracy

[Magister Ludi]

meh, everyone has posted today, and I think if someone had something extremely pertinent role wise we would of heard of it by now.

[Magister Ludi]

It gets worse, since I first mentioned of hammering on Aug 10, with no response from ConSpiracy, then again the evening of Aug 13, still no response and then only the next morning did I finally hammer.

He was skimming for a long time, but only got militant when I actually did hammer. Thats not how I would expect town to react.

[Magister Ludi]

Cobble, can you explain why you think Flameaxe is a better lynch choice than ConSpiracy?

[Magister Ludi]

I'm still leaning towards the CS lynch as the best by a sizeable margin today, and I'm not sure distracting ourselves by messing around with Flameaxe is the way to go. I reread him, and think he's shown consistent logic throughout the game, and I doubt he has been culted (unless it was pretty early).

The only question I have for him that is still nagging is why did you initially propose going along with the massclaim if you planned on not claiming if someone else didn't (and in this case it was Yos2, whose role is really irrelevant so far this game)

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Herod, can you clarify what you mean by listing some of the professions in a list there?

[Magister Ludi]

Been continuing low access, and will continue. Still support a Con lynch.

[Magister Ludi]

Actually, Kinetic, I blocked Yos2 on night one, so I think someone else messed with you thing there (and blocked bvoigt on last night)

I thought it was impossible for me to block the cult recruiters from my pm, as it stated that the place 'was too hot to handle for one officer acting alone', which was rather misleading if not true.

Also, sad I failed town here more so than winning. I was actually pretty spot on about Yos2, and xvart, just got sidetracked a little. bah.

[Magister Ludi]

No, if Yos2 did It I would have blocked him. (unless Yos2 did it on night one? In which case, go me)

[Magister Ludi]

Ok. Well, I thought I played ok, gave due dilligence to most, was actually surprised and sad when DGB flipped town, she was acting very erratic. The cult docs should not have been on herod after my gambit, as they were just wasting their time.

[Magister Ludi]

The scummy banner convinced me you were good >.>

[Magister Ludi]

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No, actually, ooba would have been recruited.

[Magister Ludi]

Flay, whats your next game?

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, a general sense of apathy always sets in on towns during or towards the end of cult games usually. Its really frustrating because people start not caring.

I also don't agree with you Batt, as the culted people are necessary for the cult to win, and usually only at the end of the game does it start not mattering who gets recruited.

[Magister Ludi]

Ok. Well, War in Heaven sounds interesting.

[Magister Ludi]

heh. thats far.

[Magister Ludi]

You always bring in the playerlist's though.

[Magister Ludi]

I suspected as much.