SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

[Sunset]

Right. I'm here now. Late to the party again though :/
Onto the catchup. quotes are when I'm speaking to a player and expecting a response. URLs are for observations and reads

Looking at Page 1

er... posts #20 and #21 look interesting.
Basically because RVS isn't supposed to have reasons... Just build momentum and recations. So asking for reasons is interesting. Nothing else P1

Looking at page 2

onto post 25. Hiplop seems to forget that Vifam was town in our last game together. I wonder why he ignores this
Cera's post #29 wasn't the impression I got from DH's post. I agree with post #32 in that it's probably null and Isa is oddly vague. like on purpose
K, not sure why vifam is using the ol' RVS excuse in #47 when he was the one who was asking for scumreas page 1. seems rather off

#50: hoppster plays the newb card for vifam & xeras, but I feel it's rather valid and necessary in this case since they have emerged as 2 pivotal figures in the first 2 pages. not a bad find. shows looking beyond posts which is good I guess. meh

#57 collaborates with vifam's meta somewhat. Considering he was the doctor who failed to sumbit a result and get lynched as a result in a past game, I can see vifam taking this less seiously and the 'comical' excuse does have some weight, not that I approve of it entirely

The Isa wagon is interesting. If there are no other suspects I may join it as I can see the vagueness in voting being a weak scumtell, but opefully stronger suspects will emerge in the next few pages. I don't want to vote and have to unvote later in the same catchup post

Tch. I am going back to my 'people who have not confirmed' vote.

Unvote, Vote: Diddin

I don't thin scum would look so obvious out of the gate.

uh, why? we have 68 extra pages of info to help determine who's scum and you're choosing to ignore it?
same to vifam in #72 unless vifam says he was 'being comical' again, which I won't approve of again

just an observation on my part, but this feels like town DH. Town DH gets a lot more involved and is a key figure more in his town games than scum DH. scum DH lurks more and is less controversial, plays it safe more IIRC

post #83 doesn't cover a lot, but the 4 points it does cover I can agree with at least 3 of them. Not understanding the hoppster point though. It feels like townhopp to me. might check his past games again if i have time.

The random vote stems because I am not getting a strong read on anyone right now. Isa isn't ringing as scum to me.


Vanilla posted in a game earlier, I just wanted to point out he that he seemed to not be paying any attention to this thread despite it being a very brief read, how does that make my vote "Terrible"?

well you refused to comment on the Isa wagon. why?

#90: how you were to infer that read from your earlier post idon'teven
'I don't see why hoppster is the god of townieness' kinda implies you don't think he's town at all. You need to be clearer if you do have a null-town read on him.
That's almost as vague as Isa was in her DH vote.

#103: and I'm beginning to feel one of vifan and diddin is probscum. It should be noted that vifam appears more of a passive player than diddin though.

Blah day 1 started while I was at work.
Gonna start reading v-v

hnng


UNVOTE:


VOTE: VanillaCupcake


Ignoring a thread four pages into the day? Not cool, man.

Vote: Vifam

Slip slip slip.

this- this is your catchup?
I expected more analysis and such.

Yeah, I just confused her Pink Lemonade :/

who?
what's a 'pink lemonade' in terms of this game?

vifam's cluelessness over the playlists either a huge towntell or a bizzare scumslip which I don't quite understand. not sure

BEFORE I PACK UP:


Town:

DH
Hoppster
Isa

you never commented on ISA iirc

#135: I really feel BL should have more to say, or at least some reads

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end of catchup (a surprising amount of fluff ITT) and this is usually the part where I place a vote and slap up a reads list

However as Sunset is 2 entities, yet as bound as one, I feel it is only right to consult with my alter-helios first. expect reads and a vote after we discuss things in our QT

Finally, we will not be signing our posts. Sunset is one. Sunset is eternal

~Sunset

[Sunset]

my mistake...
I guess you have

well you've said she doesn't ring as scum to you...

[Sunset]

already ended?

This game will last months and you will need to analyse all the possible situations and draw conclusions from all the info if you are to catch mafiosi with us

nothing has ended.
This game is only just beginning

[Sunset]

OK, some reads for the masses:

1. Ranmaru - Haven't posted yet.
2. hiplop - Joking around a bit, votes Isa without any real reasoning. Nullscum.
3. chkflip - Only a random vote (on us, bastard).
4. Kcdapot - Haven't posted yet.
5. Vifam - He's really confused, but in a town way we think. Town.
6. David Xanatos - No real content yet.
7. TheJakalope - No content.
8. manho - He's posting good atm, but it's hard to get a read on him this early. Nulltown.
9. Parabollocks - Seems to have the town's best interest at heart. Town.
10. projectmatt - That try to start a wagon on David was terribad. This is scummy as hell (especially as David hasn't posted any content yet) and deserves a vote. Scum.
11. Riceballtail - Haven't posted yet.
12. WeyounsLastClone - Only a random vote.
13. Sunset (Twistedspoon + Johhog hydra) - Obvtown.
14. Wrathchild - Haven't posted yet.
15. Xeras - Our heads disagree here. One of our heads argues that he changes his vote a lot and is scummy while the other head think that the vote changing and the frequent use of gut is a town tell.
16. Bunnylover - As we said it isn't ended yet. Also I would like more of a catch up. Nullscum.
17. diddin - We would like to see more from this guy, but the wagon on him is scummy and his posts is decent enough, so nulltown.
18. Isa - Hm, we dunno. She/he (wtf gender change) doesn't really give me a scumvibe, so null.
19. stormer - Haven't posted yet.
20. DemonHybrid - I don't like the case on Xeras and Vifam, and he is remarkably defensive this early. Nullscum.
21. Celebloki - Haven't posted yet.
22. Hoppster - Good questions, good content and he is actively scumhunting. Town.

Also we strongly doubt that Vifam and diddin is scum together. The diddinwagon is scummy btw and we will closely monitor Xeras, Vifam and Isa.

Let's close this off with a vote on the scummiest player in our opinion, projectmatt.

VOTE: projectmatt

[Sunset]

So why do you not vote?

[Sunset]

I apologise other head, but I only skimmed the reads you proposed and now I find I disagree with some. My fault

eh, I actually don't find PM that scummy at all

It was RVS, so wagons are natural, if not pro-town

we shall discuss this dissonance in our QT

until then we'll vote a common scumread of ours - hiplop

I also don't find DH that scummy at all as well

my may review isa as well...

VOTE: hiplop

back to the QT

[Sunset]

Hm, I didn't read properly and I didn't understand it was a joke. You're right, hiplop is a good vote.

Back to the QT indeed.

[Sunset]

EBWOP: Matt's wagon on David that is.

[Sunset]

But seriously other head, I expect you to read the list next time. You said my reads was OK, so I posted them.

[Sunset]

On another note, since you refuse to tag posts, do you accept that there can be no excuses made in future of "oh that was my other head! lol!"?

we will not be making excuses again when our reads differ. Dissonance will be atoned in our QT from now on

the 1st reads list is always the most important and any subsequent ones we will have discussed more thoroughly

the other head is being slightly more lenient to Isa than I would be. I guess because they're both Swedish. Anyways, I'm working on a DH detailed read right now. Conclusions can be made about his alignment from meta. I might need more from him though first before I present my case. Making a meta case 7 pages in is rather rushed

~Sunset

[Sunset]

Woah, missed the thread opening and most of the RVS. I'll be reading up.

same

this reminds me of a good point however, that I find it a weak scumtell though that vifam posted only 4 minutes after the mod declared the game open. Scum would surely know in their QT that the game had begun

this is something to consider

[Sunset]

Based off your own reads, the wagon on diddin consists of people who, overall, should at best be null if not leaning-town. So what makes it a scummy wagon?

good question

Vifam's play has been questionable... It doesn't make the wagon look any likelier to be scum due to vifam being on it
Isa is suspect to me. I would have no clue who her buddies would be were she scum though at this stage
the other head has a scumread on xeras whereas I have a strong townread. My logic is that scum votepark and changing your votes often is a towntell. My partner thinks the opposite. The diddin point was made in the qt before I expressed my town feeleings for xeras to my partner so that will be why it doesn't match

also, L-9 isn't really much of a wagon to me anyways

[Sunset]

ninja: I said it was weak :s

It made sense to me :3

but yeah. nvm

[Sunset]

Heh, everything with more than one vote is a wagon, isn't it? Just that a wagon with 10 votes is a bigger wagon.

[Sunset]

OMGUS usually comes from town... Not liking this wagon, AT ALL

what evidence do you have for this?

whilst some newb-townies may be of the opinion that players voting for them

must

be scum, and thus vote for them in return, i still find it more commonly a mild-scumtell in the current stages of the mafia metagame

unlike Hiplop we can understand the RBT wagon. If Hiplop flips scum then RBT looks between 80~90% conf. scum

I could point out that you appear to be sheeping Hoppster's votes...

thanks for noticing. Considering two of them say "SHEEPING YOU HOPPSTER". Great analytical skills

we have yet to see your analytical skills, hiplop.

we find stating the obvious past wiser than stating nothing always

I actually agree with BL's death, so

VOTE: Bunny :3

Pretty damn opportunistic,

Opportunistic?

we find there being a great amount of irony in you saying this just after hoppster said 'vote BL with me hiplop'

hiplop remains todays lynch for us. RBT is another acceptable choice (although dangerously close to a quicklynch), and BL has failed to impress us, but then again, BL isn't the sort of player who makes a lot of analysis and I have come to expect this type of play from BL sadly.

[Sunset]

what evidence do you have for this?

Its pretty obvious in all honesty, OMGUS is usually a town tell

Omgus IS 80% of the time a scum self-preservation tactic used in retaliation. there is no evidence to suggest this has changed and the only evidence you have presented to assert your claim is one instance which you were in (so you could do anything you wanted to really to match your point) and fate was in (who is the living exception to many tells)

All you did in this post was be sarcastic, and discredit. I dont think you're scum, but if you want me lynched that bad, you may want to re-evaluate your methods.

our method work by analysing wagons (no flips yet however), understanding motivation and determining the biggest contributions to town

To us we feel you are overreacting to one vote on you in this quote by questioning our methods and assuming we have no other suspects when our rids list say the converse. We remain content with our vote for now

[Sunset]

I dont read games im not in (one exception), so how could I bring up evidence not involving me?

because you must have had some reason to assume scum never omgus or did this thought just pop into your head one day?

not interesting in continuing this discussion. We shall continue to evaluate and discuss our reads in our QT. If anyone has to "re-evaluate their methods" we assure you is in not us though

[Sunset]

Any specific reason for that?

[Sunset]

Oh, I see.

Ranmaru: Who is Soup?

[Sunset]

Hm, we might also keep an eye on you after that...

[Sunset]

Wait, I had a thought but maybe it wasn't anything. Actually it depends on the following question:

Who is Soup? Where did you get that name from?

[Sunset]

So a off-site user name then?

I just had a thought it may be a QT name or something like that, since Parabollocks said he's using different QT names for each game. Still not ENTIRELY convinced.

[Sunset]

Sunset is slightly suspicious for trying to scumhun on a 'slip' because people have brought it up earlier. It seems like false concern.

Brought up what? I thought I was the first to comment on it? And man, I didn't know you knew the gay from off site, so well, it looked pretty much like a slip. I believe you now though, considering that Para claims to choose his QT names after flavour. Anyone who has been scum with him who can confirm this?

[Sunset]

WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED? I didn't mean to write that... I'm just trying to think of what I tried to type. Sorry I must be tired, lol.

[Sunset]

I probably meant "guy" instead of "gay". Sorry!

[Sunset]

Huh? Vifam never slipped did he? I just thought he confused someone with someone else from a different game?

[Sunset]

I suppose I'm Sunshine, right?

[Sunset]

EBWOP: To Matt.

[Sunset]

David is extremely hard to get a read on in this game, which is scaring me a little.

As for our read on you I think I may have to consult with my other head. I have you as something like null right now though, and I don't buy the "trying to get discussion started" explanation completely.

[Sunset]

RBT is as scummy as idon'tknow what for sure

but sadly this still might be the town RBT

DH, do you remember fishbowl mafia which us two and RBT were both in? All 3 of us were town and RBT was as scummy as he was here.
Not saying RBT isn't scum, but it's some extra info to consider. I've never played with scum RBT myself.

[Sunset]

nice catch KC

entire jakalope iso:

Forgot about this game for today.

Hmm. A lot of.. Null stuff going on. More thoughts tomorrow. I'm tired.

Still trying to gather thoughts together, but this game is moving quickly.

Not sure about Isa wagon. Going to reread a couple of pages.

However, I do like..

VOTE: RBT

That's L-1.

Unvote

RBT: Claim.

sooooo many things wrong with this iso

it's quintessential scum

VOTE: TheLurkalope

[Sunset]

hoppster makes another good lurkalope point

Alright, well RBT is lynch priority #1 today because of his bullshit "Vote for me if you're scum".

I'll do an ISO on diddin and see what I can present.

these promises of your are empty

the main reason I'm voting you is because you make these promises but don't deliver

Forgot about this game for today.

Hmm. A lot of.. Null stuff going on. More thoughts tomorrow. I'm tired.

more thoughts tommorow? all we get is

Still trying to gather thoughts together, but this game is moving quickly.

Not sure about Isa wagon. Going to reread a couple of pages.

However, I do like..

VOTE: RBT

an unexplained opportunistic vote and another promise for a catchup

which leads to another post of fluff and then your bizzare reads list, the flaws hoppster has already highlighted

still comfortable with our vote

[Sunset]

RBT is still obvscum but it's the not-so-obv scum I'm looking for right now

however a part of me feels AtE is just a staple of RBT play, town or scum. My past game with him tells me he plays like this as town

[Sunset]

Other head, to the QT NOW! I'd appreciate if you told me the next time you're changing our vote. I'm not sold on the Jakalopevote.

[Sunset]

We decided to keep our vote on TheJakalope.

[Sunset]

so is RBT

she plays like this at town iirc...

[Sunset]

can i have a link to that game where RBT is the day 1 mislynch???

ISO from the game

just as many adhoms and as few reasons as in this game

still, i wouldn't want to give RBT a free pass just because one game of town meta seems similar. RBT has been hugely suspect in this game

[Sunset]

This was actually the one I was referring to:

that's cool too

I wasn't sure who the question was addressed to, but i had spoken of a past game I had with RBT earlier

[Sunset]

The wagon on RBT definitely seems driven by scum, which makes my Isa suspicions rise.

[Sunset]

VOTE: Bunnylover
Pretty sure there's at least one scum on the RBT wagon, maybe two. Bunnylover was fencesitting yesterday, not voting until she knew it was completely risk free.

[Sunset]

@mod: is there a final VC of d1?

Vote: RBT

Sorry, but eventually RBT is going to be a mislynch (assuming RBT is town) and I rather have it done on day 1 where we know we can afford to have a townie flip.

it's as though you knew RBT would flip town

at the very least, justifying a townie flip before you

should

know RBT would flip town is very suspect to me (as well as our D1 suspicions of you)


anyways, I'm looking back at the RBt wagon to see who emerges the most town (BL the most suspect obv, although jakalope comes close)

celebloki's #532 reads as genuine town frustration at RBT's play and his relucatnce to hammer without a claim among other things in his posts on RBT read as very town to me

we still feel PM is town, and not entirely because he completely avoided the RBT wagon

[Sunset]

we still feel PM is town

When did "we" start to feel that Matt's town? I'm afraid you forgot to tell me.

[Sunset]

BL has failed to impress us, but then again, BL isn't the sort of player who makes a lot of analysis and I have come to expect this type of play from BL sadly.

VOTE: Bunnylover
Pretty sure there's at least one scum on the RBT wagon, maybe two. Bunnylover was fencesitting yesterday, not voting until she knew it was completely risk free.

???

I think the general trend in this game has been me considering Bunnylover scummy and my other head has considered her nullscum. I think I finally managed to convince head no. 2 now though.

Also I've never played with Bunnylover before so I can't meta her.

Oh goddammit. Quoted for ISO reasons.

[Sunset]

Looking back, have to agree with hoppster, why is veryone suddenly so fascinated with a bunny lynch today? this screams easy lynch to me...

if we'd have wanted an easy lynch we'd have wagoned RBT with you guys yesterday
we're more concerned with lynching scum and that is why we want jakalope or BL today.
We have expressed suspicions of both since our first few posts.

BL's hammer and pre-emptive justifications for the townie flip are only the icing on the bunny cake

[Sunset]

i just don't see why everyone is going 'lol easy lynch' today when everyone was fine wagoning RBT yesterday...

I smell motives...

[Sunset]

i just don't see why everyone is going 'lol easy lynch' today when everyone was fine wagoning RBT yesterday...

i wasnt

what's this then?

Looking back, have to agree with hoppster, why is veryone suddenly so fascinated with a bunny lynch today?

this screams easy lynch to me...

[Sunset]

Looking back, have to agree with hoppster, why is veryone suddenly so fascinated with a bunny lynch today? this screams easy lynch to me...

if we'd have wanted an easy lynch we'd have wagoned RBT with you guys yesterday

wut

no

Easy lynch yesterday was RBT, not Bunnylover, shown with my screams of "HAI GUIZ BUNNYLOVER IS SCUM" to no effect,

HENCE WHY I AM SO SUSPICIOUS THAT

ALLLLL OF A SUDDEN

PEOPLE HAVE NOTICED BUNNYLOVER.

BL's hammer and pre-emptive justifications for the townie flip are only the icing on the bunny cake

SO WHY DID YOU NOT SUPPORT MY BUNNYLOVER CASE YESTERDAY IF THIS IS JUST THE ICING ON THE CAKE?!

we did, but we had other targets

we have had bunny lover suspicons for some time, ever since he failed to provie a catchup post and then claimed that everything previously had ended

we had not 'just realised bunny lover exists'

we found him suspect yesterday, but Jakalope more suspect

but after BL's hammer of scuminess he has risen again in our suspicions and overtaken jalakope

so BL is our top suspect again

simple

@hiplop:my mistake

I blame the mod for not providing I final VC. I asked for one

[Sunset]

I realised It was a logical fallacy on my own behalf

the only shred of defence I had for BL at the time was that I had played in a town game with him where he contributed little also. Sunset II convinced me that that didn't neccesairily mean that BL was town here as we had no scum meta to balance it out so my view was incomplete.
This realisation combined with my suspicions (as they were just suspicions)of BL yesterday and the circumstances of the hammer made me realise BL to be the prime lynch candidate for today

[Sunset]

We have no intention of giving BL a get out of jail free card due to a brief encounter in one past game where he also failed to impress

The scuminess far outweighs the small flickers of townieness that I thought I once saw

[Sunset]

Can anyone please explain the case against us again?

[Sunset]

First point against you - that dodgy hydra dissonance which you promised wouldn't occur.


Second point - BOTH PLAYERS of the hydra somehow missed my requests for information on hydra-QT-discussionz, despite acknowledging other parts of those posts:

HOW DID YOU CONVINCE HIM

I WANT A FULL EXPLANATION OF HOW YOU CONVINCED TWISTEDSPOON

Twistedspoon, tell me how Johhog convinced you that Bunnylover was scum.

^^^^ yes, that is BOLD and font-size ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY.

While you're here you can tell me though.

Well, your making a hen out of a feather (or whatever the English expression is) here. Head #2 said that WE had a townread on Matt. Do you think I should just sit back and watch?

As for your second point, Head #2 already answered it. Do you want quotes from the QT, or what?

[Sunset]

diddin is still not scum.

Reason being?

his actions are not that scummy. at least i've done that before as town. BL is much more scummy than diddin.

Hey, this seems familiar...remember when Hoppster and Ranmaru said the same thing about my actions? "I've done that as scum so it's a scumtell." "I've done it as town so it's a null tell!" It's still a worthless argument.

But then tell me, what's not scummy about first dismissing the Bunny wagon and then jumping on it without acknowledging your previous read? Or sheeping ALL the cases you believe have merit without any fresh input? And what about his misreps? Are they pro-town behavior?

k, i saw what you mean. missed that vote by diddin on BL. diddin is scum.

i'll consider changing my vote to diddin.

What. The. Fuck.

Heavy FoS: manho

Hoppster: How can I paraphrase a quote? If I do it won't be a quote, and then it's worth nothing, right? Also I will sign my posts for now, awaiting response from Spoon on what he thinks.

~Johhog

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DemonHybrid, link me to any game where TheJakalope-town decides to specifically give null reads on two players before ignoring half the playerlist. Because otherwise that defence is BS.

Some things can be attributted to VI-ness or playstyle (such as not explaining reads or generally being terrible), but this is different and is illogical on the level of a four-year old - you don't really have to play Mafia well or even know about it to understand. It's more effort specifically giving two (out of 27 or whatever) null-reads than not, for what will obviously be no benefit at all (for TOWN), and that kind of thinking should have been wiped out through evolution.

There is however potential scum benefit in that these artificial null reads (which TheJakalope has pulled out of his ass) probably are an attempt to look more town through giving reads.

What does this imply to you? Do you mean that we and Vifam is scum if TheJakalope is scum, or what?

~Johhog

[Sunset]

The only changes since the last one is that DH switched his vote from BL to WLC, chkflip voted you and manho switched his vote from BL to diddin. You're at L-2.

~Johhog

[Sunset]

Got prodded, sorry for not posting earlier. Didn't know it'd go this quick (16 pages in three days, really).

The wagon on RBT has grown extremely quick in my opinion. His OMGUS on DH was a bit awkward, but okay.
At this point I find DH the most suspicious. It seems he takes things that are kinda null-tell, and tries to make a bit of a scum-thing out of it. First with Vifam, then with RBT.

Unvote. Vote: DemonHybrid.

Unvote. Vote: TheJakalope.

Want some proof he's up to date and keeping his promise of more content (I know I haven't done much either, but I'm didn't make a big empty promise), but in the meantime just jumping on the biggest wagon without additional reason.

I don't like how DH is now turning BL in some sort of scapegoat, while I feel he was the driving force Day1, and seems he's taken over now today, and not getting any problems with it.

Vote: DemonHydrid.

Vifam is coming in as a close second,

Okay, rereading the thread, DH kinda had some reasons to dislike RBT's play. Still don't like how in the end he wanted RBT to replace out, and also not how day 2 with an utmost certainty went after BL, but still. My vote on him is wasted anyway at this point.

Unvote.

I didn't like TheJakalope's play day 1, promising content, not giving any, and then jumping on RBT's wagon with much additional reason, and day 2 hasn't improved much.

Vote: TheJakalope.

These are WeyounsLastClone's votes. He has just switched between DH and myself since near the end of day one. His last vote for me isn't anything new either. He's essentially saying, "hey this wagon's bigger, and even though nothing's changed since I voted DH, I still am going to hop wagons until one of them gets lynched."

VOTE: WLC

Did you not see this, chkflip?

Meh, no real analysis there. Add some own content instead.

I might change our vote to TheJakalope later. Have to catch Twistedspoon first, haven't spoke to him in a couple of days.

~Johhog

[Sunset]

yeah, that's one of those too crazy to be scum claims

perhaps a 'baby' role could confirm it's legitimacy if we don't already believe him

This is why BL was the better lynch

we can confirm that we are not a baby (although we didn't know that that classification existed until now)

@jakalope: why did you choose to neighbourize (or attempt to neigbourize) ourselves? In other words ghat were your thought processes last night phase

ninja: agreed

[Sunset]

Sunset, I had to start somewhere. There really was not a lot of thought process.

are you telling me that your nught action was utterly random or not?

is it because we're a hydra and that's 2 players to talk to?

and why not get a communication channel with a top town read of yours? Surely that is the best play as they are most likely to be town (you listed us as null so I'm not seeing why you chose us)

furthermore BL requesting neighbourizing is very suspect to me. perhaps a scum role wanting to appear as a baby as they think that might make them look a town role or something. BL should have more to say anyways at this point rather than begging for a neighbourizing

[Sunset]

Prod response.

I don't really like the Chkflip wagon. IDK why, but instinctively it feels bad. I will read through the last pages to see if I can find why.

~Johhog

[Sunset]

What the fuck is that? With that hammer alone I

FoS: chkflip

if WLC flips town. The wagon on WLC was beginning to disappear, so he hammered before the wagon shifted to him. And the Yoshi claim doesn't make chkflip town. It can just mean that scum got mod information.

~Johhog

[Sunset]

Ugh, I didn't even know that there was such a thing as a scum dayvig. How common is this?

[Sunset]

Ugh, I didn't even know that there was such a thing as a scum dayvig. How common is this?

if this is johhog, its scumjohhog.

It's me. Please explain further.

~Johhog

[Sunset]

Guys, no one answered when I asked you about how common a scum dayvig is. Can someone please answer now?

~Johhog

[Sunset]

Guys, no one answered when I asked you about how common a scum dayvig is. Can someone please answer now?

~Johhog

eh its not uncommon

All right then. I'll have to discuss with Spoon (now that we have a couple of days more until deadline) on who we will vote on, and I haven't talked to him in a couple of days. I think Xeras is scummy, but IIRC Spoon has a townread on him. BRB in a day or so.

~Johhog

[Sunset]

Meh, Spoon doesn't respond. :/
Guess I have to decide then.

VOTE: Xeras

(In case diddin isn't dead yet. I think that diddin is no more than null, even slightly leaning town. Xeras, on the other hand, is a scumread of mine)

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DH, you got it backwards. We didn't "dance around" wagons, I voted Xeras and I'm ready to take the consequences for that today. But you can't vote us for "dancing around" wagons when we didn't, I was one of the most vocal supporters of a Xeraslynch. Yeah, this wagon has a scum on it for sure.

Btw hiplop, do you really think that I would NK you when you would be a good opportunity for a mislynch if I was scum? I think you're a good player, but I'm not THAT damn afraid of you. Would be risky in a game where there are players who know about our little "history" too. Oh, and Twistedspoon is still nowhere to be seen so I guess I have to play this alone until he reappears.

More content tonight.

~Johhog

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I know that he is around, but he probably forgot about this game, not answering in our hydra QT.

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You guys is doing the right thing but in the wrong way. I think that Matt is scummy but you ain't supposed to vote him because of some connection with me (which ofc is ridiculous FMPOV as I'm town).

My reads:

1. warriormode - Scum most likely because of the Vifam thing.
2. hiplop - Nullscum. He tunnels me though, which he always does as town. I will try to remember that he can fake that as scum too.
3. chkflip - Null. I don't know how to read this guy. He don't play like he did when I last played with him, but then again he was the IC in that game so I guess it's different.
4. Kcdapot - Has to be town, nobody fakes that kind of reactions.
5. Vifam - Town. Will be settled finally tomorrow, depending on what Warrior flips.
6. David Xanatos - Meh, IDK. I can't remember any specific post of him in this game and that's usually a bad sign.
7. TheJakalope - Scummy, but his claim makes him look town. Do anyone know how common a scum neighboriser is?
8. manho - Null, slightly leaning scum but considering that I see many guys as more scummy he's probably town after all.
9. Parabollocks - Hasn't made an impact yet.
10. projectmatt - Scummy, but as I said you're voting him for the wrong reasons.
12. WeyounsLastClone - Also scummy.
13. Sunset (Twistedspoon + Johhog hydra) - Obvtown and very handsome.
15. Xeras - I do find him scummy but the scumflip on diddin make him town.
16. Bunnylover - Softclaimed Baby Peach IIRC. Why didn't TheJakalope target her?
18. Isa - I think he's town for some reason.
20. DemonHybrid - Giving me weird vibes. Do townDH usually play like this?
21. Celebloki - Hard to get a grip on.

Yeah guys, I refuse to give reasoning. Discuss.

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And the above was Johhog.

~Johhog

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Meh, something needs to happen soon. Tbh I'm beginning to lose interest a little.

~Johhog

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Does everyone agree that either Vifam or warriormode is scum? If so, why are not more people voting for them?

Clearly not reading the game.

~J

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hiplop and Matt is good lynches. David/Celebloki/whoever not posting is also OK, but I would prefer hiplop or Matt.

~J

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VOTE: projectmatt

I wanna be cool too.

~J

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Black Yoshi? Really? And you had that much information from the mod without knowing your ability?

No way he's town. And if he is it's just sad.

~J

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VOTE: WeyounsLastClone

Seriously hiplop, provide a new case on me now if you're voting me. Yesterday I was scum because of my connection to Matt. Matt flipped town and now I am still scum without any new case. Shape up.

~J

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Wait wait wait.

UNVOTE: warriormode
VOTE: Vifam

Forgot this. Vifam has a lot to explain.

PEdit: Well, why am I scum then?

~J

[Sunset]

Wait I voted WLC not Warriormode.

UNVOTE: WeyounsLastClone
VOTE: Vifam

CONFUSION. STRIKES.

PEdit: Nope.

~J

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Yes hiplop, I am 100% sure etc etc.

~J

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So why am I scum again?

~J

[Sunset]

FoS: hiplop

We should lynch Vifam and first though.

[Sunset]

The above was of course Johhog.

~J

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Elaborate on what btw? Vifam needs rope unless he has a very good explanation to why warriormode didn't die, you need rope too.

And well, I guess I won't sign my posts from now on then. I doubt Spoon will return.

[Sunset]

I really hope that you don't suppose I will explain my FoS on you.

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LOL. You serious bro?

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^^ hes confirmed scum implosion

Yeah, just like you are.

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johhog explain why im scum. All i see is retaliation without any merit

Fucking iso me or look back like 2 pages imp

lolhypocrite

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johhog explain why im scum. All i see is retaliation without any merit

Fucking iso me or look back like 2 pages imp

lolhypocrite

? are you fucking dumb

What I'm saying is that there is no case on me. The only thing against me seems to be a supposed guilty, which is enough for you to be scum. There is other things as well, but no need to go into detail when it's this clear.

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I'm back, expect content soon.

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Oh wait? I'm okay with this, a 1 for 1 trade is always good. Promise me though that you lynch hiplop when I flip town, don't let him wriggle his way out of this (he will probably talk about a Mafia Framer or something).

Ftr,

VOTE: hiplop

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TheJakalope

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Wait, why the fuck did I say that?

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Yeah, probably the best thing.

I honestly won't even try, as I don't think I can get hiplop lynched without my flip.

[Sunset]

Yup, lynch hiplop tomorrow now please.

I was a RB btw.

[Sunset]

Yup, lynch hiplop tomorrow now please.

I was a RB btw.

So you roleblocked Jakalope N3..and yet, by day 4 he had a QT with BunnyLover?

Lies lies lies.

Nah, it's true. At first I thought it was a mix-up but I really roleblocked him N3.

Good luck guys.