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I'm still planning on going to the villa -- I know Mina has a lot of thought she wants to post, we discussed a fair bit last night but I'm going to let her post them since most of the strategy is all on her.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Llamarble wrote:Filling campfire is actually very dangerous because it will let scum easily fire tipping point first thing in the morning.
So lets not do that.
Is there no way that we could identify the scum from this though? W/o doing any maths this sounds like it'd take a lot of chits, so if we force everyone to make x moves to show they have chits it could stop scum being able to use tipping point. y/n?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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hitogoroshi wrote:
Faraday, lets say you and I move to the Rageatorium first round. Which two players would you want to pick, with the objective of having at least one player as close to confirmed town as possible?
Andy and one of Feysal/LLD/Regfan and I'd be happy.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Actually, rageatorium looks kind of useless to me, my answer was more who I'd prefer to be in the villa with.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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BTW if you're planning on coming to the villa make sure we can all try and get together at a convenient time for all of us and do stuff in 'almost real time'; it's totally awesome for scumhunting and something that needs to be utilised. I don't think that'll be a problem though for me since I'm Europe and kinda in the middle.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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I've only skimmed the thread so far, and won't subject you to yetanotherlongwinded post about the pros and cons of each move. Also, it's too early to declare anyone a protown leader to be sent to X room. And hito already preempted me to saying that we should treat this as a game with ten-day deadlines. But just one bit of strategy that's absolutely crucial:
2) CLAIM EACH AND EVERY SINGLE MOVE YOU MAKE THIS GAME.
No ifs, ands, or buts. No "LOL I LIED ABOUT MY MOVE AS A COMPLICATED GAMBIT" (looking at you, Fate), because we need to know 100% that the evidence is trustworthy. You can wait until after the round to claim it, but claim your moves.
We will be privately keeping notes of all claims throughout the game, and I'd suggest other people to do the same. Any unclaimed move for any round by will be automatically assumed to be performed by scum, but even that cuts both ways.
It might be possible to catch people in contradictions and narrow down the players who could have possibly accomplished a move that fucks with the town later on.
I've been crossposted by a million posts now, so I'll get to them in a bit. (Although, um, guys, you realize that Secluded Villa--while fun--is not the most useful room in the game, right? Ooh, you get to chat with a player like Andrius who's already painfully easy to read in the main thread! )
~Mina (obviously)Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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LLD why does that make us town? Do you think i'd not abuse the fuck out Mina's propensity for that sort of thing as scum? That's really weak reasoning as it's the type of thing anyone can post early on.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Furthermore hasn't marble already touched on it anyway? I can understand same thoughts = same alignment to some degree if it comes to reads but I'm struggling to see how some sort of strategy like that can make you see us as town? Does that make him town?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
I think that scum would not lock themselves into that kind of thought/idea this early on.
You don't see it as an obvious move that someone wouldn't have suggested anyway? I love my town cred as scum, I'd totally suggest it as scum (or get Mina to in this case since I wouldn't think of it)Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Llamarble wrote:
My burn all the chips idea wasn't good though because we need spare chips to force through things we want to happen when scum does inevitably interfere.
I have some reasonably strong town reads already, what about allowing those some wiggle room but letting other people burn their chits? I.e. if we keep a large enough of people with wiggle room we can offset the scums plans. I suppose it depends on people co-operating.
Reck: just read the thread. basically we're probably going to be claiming what actions we're taking as it prevents scum from fucking shit up.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Nautilius wrote:Villa should be Fate, Reck, and I.
IMAGINE not having to deal with us in thread.
And Mina's lovely posts would be public viewing.
We can always switch it later if you guys want a go?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Stupid question, but is there a reason we can't just do the following:
-hito, Andrius, and LB move to Villa (within two or three rounds).
-We stay there for however many rounds it takes to strategize or communicate information or strategize.
-One of us moves to the door and unlocks it. (Disclaimer: I think I misunderstood how the door works. Let me PM zoraster.)
-A fourth player then joins to hear hito's plan.
-etc.
Zoraster: will all visitors to the Villa be able to read whatever posts were made before in the QT, for the rest of the game? Is there a new QT made every time a new arrival shows up?
Also, LLD, like Faraday said, why didn't you find Llamarble's similar stances townish? He also locked himself into a position.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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(Also, it's so hard to restrain myself from editing my posts to fix all my typos and incomplete sentences. I'm not used to having mod powers.)Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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xRECKONERx wrote:Um who the fuck said you three were town anyway
What the fuck is this post and why does it matter?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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xRECKONERx wrote:So you guys are going to go to SEEKRIT VILLA and devise a huge plan for town to follow and we're just supposed to trust the three of you
nah
Dislike
are you just fucking useless or scum
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xRECKONERx wrote:Lost Butterfly wrote:-hito, Andrius, and LB move to Villa (within two or three rounds).
-We stay there for however many rounds it takes to strategize or communicate information or strategize.
-One of us moves to the door and unlocks it. (Disclaimer: I think I misunderstood how the door works. Let me PM zoraster.)
-A fourth player then joins to hear hito's plan.(Disclaimer: I think I misunderstood how the door works. Let me PM zoraster.)-A fourth player then joins to hear hito's plan.
this?
yeah, that. so why are implying the plan is some sort of EXCLUSIVE CLUB thing when it can be told to anyone? i mean i'm not even sure what your problem is with 3 people going to a qt to talk is when you want to do the exact same fucking thing?
there's not gonna be some sort of TELL EVERYONE WHERE TO GO shit as it won't work in this set-up afaict, but we can use the mechanics to our advantage.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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xRECKONERx wrote:Um who the fuck said you three were town anyway
Who the fuck saidSDCwere all town? And yet you were fine with a SDC villa.
Also, two-thirds of the LB-hito-Andrius alliance consists of hito and Andrius. Therefore, if you MUST look for three people to trust early on Day One...
(I know I initially said the QT thing was overrated, but I changed my mind after some discussion with Faraday.)
Maruchan, the door-switcher has to be someone in the villa. Otherwise, it blocks up the traffic.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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xRECKONERx wrote:I guess I'm not seeing what advantages there are. Also the OP hints at special secret powers in the Villa
think about it a little, it's good to put 3 people who can read each other in there. that's why I'm suggesting we can rotate who's in the villa with groups of people who are good at reading each other; like I'd trust you/fate/elli to get good reads in a qt, i'll have andy and hito read in the qt. do you not think people you know well can be easier to read in a qt? there are also other advantages if you trust the people.
Agree w/ marble though; LLD is scum.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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why do you think regfan is scum again? the early disagreement over a room issue?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Faraday, that's a load of crap.
I play by intent, as you know, and there was way too much town intent in your posts for you to be scum. Your reaction ALSO came from town.
Further, Llmarble's post benefited scum because it talked about giving them information BEFORE the moves were made.
You guys talked about retroactive claiming.
That's why YOU are town, and Llmarble got a
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I have no real desire for further interaction since I find you scummy.
Hi Feysal! Wow us with your post.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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He knows he's suggesting we post it in thread in that format.
Security room should be filled by someone town - marble would be fine there I think, atm.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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how the hell does a double vote help in reading each other. the villa WOULD help. the rageatorium is useless for that. seriously.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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hito wrote:Let me put it this way: let's say I'm scum. You can tell, people who've played with me as town can probably tell, but a lot of strangers will probably just think I'm null. It's a lot easier to get my wagon going if everyone in the Rageatorium is in the "knows hitos meta" category. Savvy?
So I get the power of one extra vote? Yeah;' that's not a big help. If I think someone is scum an extra vote isn't going to help get a wagon on them.
Marauchan is obv overeager town.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Maruchan wrote:M'kay so we know iamausername has a special ability he gains by being in a certain room at a certain time.
Better watch out for that guys.
Hey Iam - Maruchan is now confirmed town. He'll do a fine job!Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Wait, am I not moving hito to the Rageatorium?
Also who's going to the security room? Marble?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Is what we'll send in, in a bit. Just waiting to make sure Mina doesn't have anything to say/wants any more important moves made (she's just switching to her computer so we'll get it in in plenty of time)Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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It doesn't need to be insured. Send him to the move checker, I'm p sure. Marble will confirm cos he's a strategy head.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Regfan wrote:We should be moving the person we want to be on Move Checker later in the game onto War Room now so they can pick up a lot of saved chits to use in the future. I still want Llarmable to go to the security room and I'd be happy with Feysal going to the War Room. On that note, Hito, Llarmable, Maruchan and Klazam are sure-fire town. Feysal, Nobody Special, Lost Butterfly and Andrius are probstown. I'm leaning towards most of the scum not having posted yet.
Vote: Tclwaren
I agree with most of these reads -- I'm more confident on Andy than you though.
What do you think of LLD though?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Amrun wrote:All the plans so far sound good except for possibly sending Fate to the Panic Room with zero thought being given. This was probably a bad idea, but it's done.
This was probably a bad idea, but it's done.
It's not like it's permanent.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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This one Amrun? :
xRECKONERx wrote:Jesus, I'm gone for a few hours and come back to pages. Quick thoughts:
- I have no problem with Maruchan moving to door control and staying there.
- I see the value in trios of people who can read each other well being in the Villa, but I can also see how three people who know each other so well could easily use the Villa to pull the wool over the eyes of others.
- If we're going for being purely open, Fate's typical gambits need to be put on hold as we can pretty much break the game using nongambits. Feel free to gambit, Fate, but if you do then you're pretty much resigning to an automatic lynch. Lynch all liars has neve been more appropriate.
- hitogoroshi is town as fuck.
- Regarding "rocking in QTs", I think Team Mafia proves Fate & I can handle ourselves quite well in a private QT.
- I'm starting to go braindead from the planning and stuff. I'm NOT good with statistics or probabilities or putting plans into motion and perhaps I don't QUITE grasp the intricate details of what we're trying to set up, so I think it's better I sit back and try and see who I agree with on a fundamental level. Like, I'm skipping over Regfan's #153 entirely because it all looks like gibberish.
- Maruchan is proving to be a great player. YOU'RE WELCOME FOR VOUCHING FOR YOU IN THREE DIFFERENT GAMES.
- While I get Maruchan wants to go to door control, I'd prefer to be there or the Villa so that I can just do what people tell me to or have SEEKRIT TEE HEE QT with SDC peeps.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Regfan wrote:@ LB -Very weak scum-read on her. I have about the same read on Nautilus and Baby Spice as well. What's your read on Amrum and Username?
I don't see the reck town read which is really the only thing new she brought to the table so it sort of looks like she pulled it out of her ass to me. His catch up post looked pretty average to me. Scummyish.
username can be scum but he's pretty hard to read, he just feels a bit...idk? slick?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Llamarble wrote:Yeah, that moveset was quite awesome and made me respect you.
In other news,CONFIRM VOTE ANDRIUS
I still don't get all this 'WE'RE GOING TO Z QT TO MAKE SECRIT STRATEGY" stuff.
If you're recruiting strategy monsters, I can play 3 or more games of chess at the same time blindfolded.
But good strategists should be... you know... directing town's strategy.
Anyway if team villa messes with town's plan there will be RAGE.
Especially since I think the odds of two scum in that group are nontiny.
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Regfan wrote:Far too lazy and tired to go into reasoning behind these now. They're available upon request when I get time tomorrow though.
Town (Strongest to weakest):Maruchan, Klazam, Hitogorishi, Llarmable, Feysal, Nobody Special, Reck, Fate, Adrius, Plum, Iamusername.
Null:Magua, Zajnet, Lost Butterfly, LLD.
Scum (Strongest to weakest):Tclawren, Amrum, Baby Spice, Nautilus.
@ Llarmable -Really not seeing your scum-read on Andrius, an explanation would be nice. You should join the Tclwaren wagon, he attempts to defend his Maruchan town declaration by linking Post #188 which is actually one of the few posts of Maruchan that isn't a strong town-tell but rather when LB called him conftown.
We're certainly more town than [Reck/Fate/Iam], actually.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Amrun wrote:Oh, I forgot. I lean scum a little on LLD, but it's gut and no reasoning and I don't think she is obvscum and the speed of her "wagon" concerns me.
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lld's totally scum; take a look at her AWKWARD as fuck robotic questions she asks reck.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Nautilius wrote:k
This is all Elli by the way. Nacho hasn't showed up yet.
TOWN
Mina
Naut
Tclaw
Nobody
Klaz
Amrun
Maru
Llama
Reck
Fate
hito
PEOPLE LEFT
Lady
Andrius
Feysal
Reg
Baby
Plum
iam
Magua
Zaj
Fara
Yes there is a joke there. They get it.
Andrius is town, fyi.
Reg too.
Don't see reck town yet. Plum is slightly town. Mostly agree with you on the others.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Nautilius wrote:What wagon is the largest one on a PEOPLE LEFT player
if you vote LLD with me Mina will smile.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Hey Tclawren, can you quickly link me to some past town games where you've not voted your top suspect/displayed a similar stance.
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Maruchan wrote:If there is a chance they DO exist, I am sure iamausername has one
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Btw - the people who should be doing the moving this round are the ones who *haven't* played a blue chit yet.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Okay guys what moves do we need to make for the day? Tclawren ensures and insures maruchan stays where he is and I saw a few more. Is anyone else wanting to go anywhere?
I don't think we want to go to the villa today, Mina's working and we want to stay in the game thread for one more round or two anyway before moving in with Andy and Hito all together. (if hito still wants to come)Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Only five minutes left on my break, but a couple of notes:
1) Regfan, why did you send Llama to War Room? I thought the plan was to put someone in the Security Room. We definitely need one person in the Security Room. (Furthermore, I don't have a strong enough town read on Llama to want someone to waste chits on giving him an EXTRA chit. I liked his strategy talk, but his reads since the game has started have been iffy.)
Speaking of which...you know how we said Andrius was painfully easy to read? Trust me. Andrius is town. The rambling catch-up posts are completely in character for his town post.
2) Feysal, your list is missing tc's move. He said he was going to spend two chits to ensure Maru would stay put, right?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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ugh i keep trying to post but my net is being dodgy. hopefully it works.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Feysal wrote:I don't think I want tclawren to perform that move, or the insured non-move I mentioned above. Either we let whoever happens to be online do it, or if I had to pick a town read to do it, I'd go with Klazam.
He said he already sent it in or the action of him sending it in was implicit; it's a decent move to make so whatever
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Okay, we got the moves needed made I guess; there's always tomorrow. People really need to be more active. posting once a day isn't good enough.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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considering feysal's last post is townish I can't think why
Feysal wrote:ISO reading works. I did not see him as obvtown until I did that, and now I get why people trust him. I know he has a knack of appearing town even when he is not though, so that flicker of paranoia will stay there until extinguished, but for now I believe he is town.
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Also limited sample size and all but maruchan is completely town beyond any doubt really.Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Well I wasn't going to say he was confirmed town if he was scum, was I?Mafiascum Fantasy Camp 2 - Day 7 ongoing-
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Hey, tclawren, is there a reason you didn't send in the move to keep Maruchan in place? I know Feysal said he didn't want you to do it, but you didn't check in to change it or agree or disagree with him.
Or did you submit it at all? Did you word it as an insured non-move or as an insured move to the Door Checker?
I'd like to hear a detailed explanation from tc immediately on what his thought process was behind not submitting the move he'd promised to make, or not responding in the thread to Feysal's post telling him to change his PM.
tc, how many chits do you have left?
(Was going to ask why Feysal went from telling to leaving it out of his list of moves, but he already explained himself.)
I'm extremely annoyed right now for a variety of reasons, but I want to hear tclawren's side of the story, first.
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