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[Bogre]

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Also #25 once again makes me think Nocmen is mafia trying to get a legit reason to join the bandwagon.

Vote: Nocmen

1: He is making an active effort to seem town by asking questions.
2: He is asking Fate for a legit reason to vote Katsuki... what townie does this? Mafia lookin' for a reason to join the bandwagon.

This.

VOTE: Nocmen

Believe that makes -1.

I worry about Katsuki and Ellibereth's switches.

[Bogre]

Wait, you don't want to investigate the wagon, yet you're willing to switch over so fast? I already put you as likely scum hopping on my wagon, and wow, you just did it again.

Unvote, Vote: mykonian

I'm especially fine with my vote now.

I could let myself go to Ellibereth at this point. Noc/Ellibereth > Katsuki.

[Bogre]

#1 sounds like a lot of interesting flavor for just a townie; #2 sounds like an alternate wincon.

This I agree with. It reminds me a lot of SoS mafia and Zoraster's third party claim.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nocman

Your reason is flavor and meta and not his actual scumminess?

*peer*

[Bogre]

People who think I wanted no lynch D1 = lol
People who think I'm just "reaction fishing" = Yeah I am. I'm also shooting fishing.
People who think I'm rolefishing = NO, I'M ASKING FOR THEIR ROLES, NO FISHING. ROLE NUKING.

ummmmmma

If they don't beleive the gun we can just keep wagonning everyone until we get all the claims lalalalalalalalaaaaaaaa

Vote: Stranger

UNVOTE: VOTE ELLIBERETH

You need some votes so you stop acting like an idiot. Or scum trying to fake VI.

At least Noc is making an effort.

[Bogre]

Also:

I think mykonian is getting torn up by dram and Noc. But still- much more scummy people than mykonian would be Elli/Katsuk.

[Bogre]

UNVOTE: VOTE ELLIBERETH

You need some votes so you stop acting like an idiot. Or scum trying to fake VI.

At least Noc is making an effort.

This looks to me like scum opportune voting.

Just my thoughts.

Possibly because Stranger is his scum partner.

Yeap, not that he has been one of my scum reads from the beginning or anything.

You are stretching, and pairing me with Strangercoug isn't sensible.

[Bogre]

Just my thoughts.

Possibly because Stranger is his scum partner.

Suspect 1: Reck
Suspect 2: Bogre
Suspect 3: Ehhhh, maybe xvart. I'm afarid to base it off the scum 3x in a row thing cuz that's not likely to be done on purpose, I don't think, unless xvart requested it.

So SC is my scumpartner, but he doesn't make it to the list of your suspects? ?

[Bogre]

Blackberry and Bogre are counterbussing each other.

Stranger, ok I guess that makes sense, but given that RVS is a time for lols I generally don't put any claiming/words into anything unless there are special circumstances like post restrictions, multiple scum groups, etc.

Blackberry saying he outguessed the mod and killed scum last game yet questioning Reckoner and Xvart for flavor guessing is completely hypocritical.

Not to mention his posts over Nocmen's flavor:
1: Claiming not gambler is odd
2: Claiming not gambler makes him town
3: Claiming not gambler is odd again

and even though he admits hesistancy over believing the claim (likely setting up a reason to revote or vote him later) into the posting, he rails Reck and xvart over not believing flavor.

[Bogre]

Too many people we need to policy lynch/vig.

Uphill battle games for the fucking loss.

I'll be yelling at you fucks in the dead qt soon enough so don't forget my reads.

Unvote:
Vote: Bogre

And I'm one of those people...why?

Because I wouldn't let you browbeat me into voting for the suspect I had 3rd in line? *snort*

I also find it amusing that Blackberry didn't vote for ME until there seemed to be a WAGON starting. If he's really believing that I'm opportunistic, that's pot calling the kettle black.

[Bogre]

EDWOP:
I like Fate's #200 much better than the others, in tone and content.

That said: you shouldn't be lynching me to confirm town at this point, esp. there are better choices who are actually scum. I've got a laundry list growing.

[Bogre]

....but I thought you just said the only reason you swapped your vote was because I'd confirm SC on a scumflip?

Or do you actually have some reason to think I'm scummy?

[Bogre]

I'm pretty sure you just claimed scum,

aka

LOL

CONFIRM VOTE: BOGRE

Yeah, no totally. I'm scum, guys. <----

Fate....do you read? I asked if your only reason for voting me was because YOU THOUGHT I'd confirm him on a flip, NOT saying I -would- confirm him, lol. Namely because I won't, because I won't flip scum.

[Bogre]

I usually let me ideas out and then see how people respond (is BB crazy or do people see what I see). It's not atypical for me to wait and vote.

Waiting passively for approval before you act is pretty scummy.

[Bogre]

Doing something wrong and admitting it's scummy does not make it not scummy...in fact, it only confirms it as scummy.

[Bogre]

EDWOP:
I like Fate's #200 much better than the others, in tone and content.

That said: you shouldn't be lynching me to confirm town at this point, esp. there are better choices who are actually scum. I've got a laundry list growing.

Then mind giving this list?

Not at all. Ellibereth/Katsuki/xvart/You/Blackberry are my top watches.

[Bogre]

1. You're attempting to build a case on reading into my motivations, and fallaciously suggesting I listed suspicions as an 'out' for voting someone else. That doesn't work. You need to realize that townies will have a pool of players they'd like to lynch, generally ordered based on scumminess, and a much larger pool of players they'd be unsure or unwilling to lynch. Scum players have a small group they're unwilling to lynch, and a large group (everyone not their team) that they'd be willing to lynch, and MORE EQUALLY willing to just kill one of them.

The reason your suggestion is so blatantly wrong is that you are absolutely INCORRECT about my switch being immediate. You even quoted my post where I posted I was fine leaving my vote on- and that was AFTER other people had begun unvoting. Notably, one of those people was YOU (with the immediate unvote, being unsure of the wagon). I find the opposite scummy: to unvote and not put your vote somewhere else than to switch over to someone else you think scummy,

because it's problematic and uncomfortable for scum to find reasons to vote someone new.

Secondly: I was amused, because hypocrisy is...amusing, especially framed as your reason to vote me, which took other people leading the charge to get you on board.

Your case appears to be 1/2 based on blatantly wrong accusations about my presence on the Nocmen wagon, and 1/2 discussion about how being a well-humored and moderately sarcastic person means I'm scum.

I present my counter thoughts to the town:
Blackberry is highly unwilling to commit. To wagons, to voting other people, and lets other people lead.
He pays a lot of attention to people's emotions and seems to seek tacit approval from the voting behind the aforementioned lead of others. And he wants that to be noticed:

HEY LOOK GUYS
LOOK HERE, HOW IM VOTING BOGRE LIKE YOU ARE
AND LOOK HOW OBVIOUS I WANT IT TO BE

[Bogre]

yeah, sure. BB made sense.

vote Bogre

You should probably evaluate people's claims before believing them.

[Bogre]

1. You're attempting to build a case on reading into my motivations, and fallaciously suggesting I listed suspicions as an 'out' for voting someone else. That doesn't work. You need to realize that townies will have a pool of players they'd like to lynch, generally ordered based on scumminess, and a much larger pool of players they'd be unsure or unwilling to lynch. Scum players have a small group they're unwilling to lynch, and a large group (everyone not their team) that they'd be willing to lynch, and MORE EQUALLY willing to just kill one of them.

It isn't this simple as scum have a small pool they are not willing to lynch since they have to not only appear to be willing to lynch but also actually be willing to lynch people inside their team.

That's the problem. A scum is generally not going to be happy with a lynch on his team member, even if bussing. A scum of course, needs to try and appear willing to lynch his team to the town, and even be willing to bus, but there TRUE motivation won't be to lynch their team member, and that can show.

It's easy to say, 'his defense is lacking.' I'd like you to explain in words how my defense IS lacking against Blackberry's arguments. Secondly, explain why you believe I am scum.

2. Nocmen contributing to scumhunting is worthwhile over someone who I think voted pretty badly (Ellibereth) and is horrendously distracting and anti-town. And I don't think 'straightening' someone up is a problem. If it makes someone not play like an idiot, I'm fine with that.

[Bogre]

Neil Scott, waiter.

I know the casino and thus can switch two players at night.

[Bogre]

So your a redierector/Bus Driver?
As a waiter?

Yep.

[Bogre]

So...
This means that abilities are triggered such as food/beverages? Killing = poison/spiked drinks? What do you think about your role with regards to that?

I wouldn't say that is the case. I don't redirect based on food or anything.

[Bogre]

EDBWOP: Didn't see I was hammered before I posted those.

[Bogre]

MoS deserves mad props for saving a weak, weak town.

I don't know how Ellibereth survived as long as he did, I guess people thought he was playing VI. Xvart/Nocmen I remember being scummy as well, but I shouldn't have gotten distracted with blackberry's crazy case on me.

Mykonian vs. dramonic day one was clear cut: Dramonic had some pretty good analysis and mykonian's defense was way weak.

I don't know, I was kind of exasperated at the town after D1.