Strategy Mafia (Town Victory!)

[Zajnet]

Holy crap, so many posts so fast.

I'm going to have to wait a couple of days to really get into this game because I just found out that I won't have internet on my retreat this weekend.

V/LA

until Sunday evening

[Zajnet]

Hey guys, I'm back. I kinda sorta almost skimmed some stuff, but 39 pages is a lot.

I moved myself to the campfire because I felt like it. I didn't post then because I was late for class, but I'm home now so yeah.

Could someone please give me a quick rundown of the suspicions on people? I see that iam is by far the current wagon leader, what has he done that's scummy?

[Zajnet]

Lol I'm in a game offsite with two claimed millers...

So we should lynch someone, most likely him before round 10 right? So the scum don't get their free moves.

[Zajnet]

I still haven't read anywhere near the entire thing, but enough to:

VOTE: Iamusername

[Zajnet]

That's account number... 4?

Anyways...

I don't like all the wine that Magua is pouring, but I guess we should just ignore it entirely. I'll do whatever moves people tell me to.

[Zajnet]

This game is moving faster than any other game I've ever been in to the point that I'm getting overwhelmed. I'm finally caught up though, and I will do my best to remain caught up.

I really don't like Soda re: the chair. But if he is scum, its so blatant that I have a hard time believing him as scum. Still, he is pretty scummy overall, with lots of contentless posts. I'd be willing to vote to lynch him today, but I'm not 100% sold on him being scum. Maybe 75%?

I still have both of my usable red chits. Should I be moving someone somewhere? Maru's potion'd role is... underwhelming. Should we try to potion someone else up today?

[Zajnet]

I really don't think we should not lynch Soda on the chance that he might be a jester if we think he's being scummy. I've never seen a Jester that ends the game, so he can go off and win if he is a jester, or he can just die if he's scum. And if he's town, then he'll become a better player for getting mislynched.

[Zajnet]

I really don't think we should not lynch Soda on the chance that he might be a jester if we think he's being scummy. I've never seen a Jester that ends the game, so he can go off and win if he is a jester, or he can just die if he's scum. And if he's town, then he'll become a better player for getting mislynched.

Needs death.

Needs explaining.

[Zajnet]

A quick look at Tclaw's ISO does ping my scumdar. He's posted more about moves and strategy than about scumhunting, which is partly how we caught scum in the other Zoraster game I've played in (Trader mafia (my favorite game of mafia that I've ever played in)).

Why aren't we lynching Soda today? He still seems like the scummiest player to me.

[Zajnet]

Consider my vote on you, Soda. I'm hesitant to vote before we're ready to end the day because of what happened D1.

[Zajnet]

I have a proposal.

I'll move Andy to the Nexus if he'll move me to the Tipping point. If I don't end up in the tipping point, he's probably lying scum and we can lynch him.

Then if everyone is OK with this, someone can move me into the potion room, and I will claim and use my role in whatever manner everyone sees fit.

[Zajnet]

I'll submit an insured move on Andy to the Nexus in the morning if nobody objects before I get up.

MOVE

Player to Move:

Andrius

Room to Move to:

Nexus

Insurance?:

Yes

[Zajnet]

EBWODP: Someone should submit a move on Fate to the Panic Room for lulz.

[Zajnet]

I can't possibly use the other chit. I'd rather protect from a potential scum no-move.

@Llamarble: Damn, I didn't think of that. Well, if/when you leave, we should try to move fate for lols.

[Zajnet]

How am I "simply a good lynch?" And Regfan, I most certainly did provide reasoning for pushing Soda as a lynch.

[Zajnet]

"I don't like him re: the chair and

he's scummy

" doesn't count as providing reasoning for pushing his lynch.

I'd like a few answers/responses from you:

1. Who are your five strongest town-reads and your five-strongest suspects and why?
2. Why did you move yourself to the campfire without claiming it if you stated you read the thread and therefore knew we were claiming all moves?
3. If talking about strategy is a scum-tell does that mean you want to vote Hito and does that mean Feysal was mafia? If no then why else is Tclwaren mafia?
4. Why did you suggest and volunteer yourself to go to the potion room when no one had a town-read on you and meant that you claimed your role?

1. I don't have time to give all of my reasons, its 3am. I'll post more tomorrow. But here are my reads.
Town:
Maru
Llamarble
Fate
Andy


Scum:
Soda
Tclaw

Leaning Scum:
NS
Amrun

Everyone else is pretty null.

2. I hadn't read the thread yet.

3. Talking about strategy is not inherently a scumtell, but it seems to me like Tclaw has been using it to mask that he isn't scumhunting.

4. Why not? And there are people out there who have expressed a townie read on me. I'm the only one currently in the Nexus, making it me who would be moved to test Andy, and then I'll be right next to the potions room. So why not?

[Zajnet]

Since Soda is so far from a lynch and we only have a couple days left, there's no point in withholding my vote anymore.

VOTE: SodaSpirit17

@NS: I want to test the tunnel theory, which involves me being moved from the nexus to the tipping point. At which point I'll be right next to the potion room.

[Zajnet]

unvote

Can we please wait to lynch him?

I want to move Andy to the Nexus and test the tunnel before nightfall.

[Zajnet]

Nautlius, moving people to Nexus isn't a good idea considering there's likely a tunnel from there to the tipping point. What's your thoughts and read on Amrum at the moment?

Mafia Moves resolve first, so his proposed moves would be taking us from the tipping point to the nexus if the scum tried to instatip again.

[Zajnet]

So we should hurry up and lynch someone before the scum get another free move...

[Zajnet]

VOTE: SodaSpirit17

[Zajnet]

Can I be potioned up please?

Note that I'm not fishing and don't want them to claim if they haven't, but did Klazem's partner ever claim?

[Zajnet]

If we're potioning a second player today I think it should be Regfan.
Zajnet, if you want potions help us find + lynch a scumbag.

Lol. So if I'm scum, I get to be a PR by bussing a partner. Cute.

Well, good thing I'm not scum and I don't have anyone to offer on a silver platter.

[Zajnet]

Can I please be potioned? Then I'll go to the party. I won't go into potions without permission from the group, specifically Maruchan and Llamarble. Just to confirm, I didn't move myself to the TP and I don't know who did.

[Zajnet]

I really, really think that Llama should just stay in the panic room. It's going to be difficult getting him to potions and then getting him back (12 chits uninsured) and really Llama's best use right now is his strategy and town leadership. It's best to just keep him safe.

12 chits? It would take 8 unless I'm missing something, 10 if you forgot about the tunnel.

I'll post reads and cases when I'm not this tired. Detailed cases take work.

[Zajnet]

I'll submit the hito->rage move if nobody else has.

I'll be sure to reread Baby Spice when I actually feel like doing work

[Zajnet]

Submitted:

MOVE

Player to Move:

hito

Room to Move to:

Rageatorium

Insurance?:

N

[Zajnet]

Blah. Zajnet just isn't very town at all.
Zajnet why do you want a potion so much?

Because I love having a power role. It gives me more investment into the game as well. I'm going to go take a nap then hopefully I'll have the willpower to write cases.

I'm fine with sitting in TP for now. I just want to be potioned up before the end of the day

Also, didn't Maru claim? He can open doors or something?

[Zajnet]

Next summer...

[Zajnet]

I'm now really sorry that I haven't had a chance to present cases on my scummies yet (surprise roadtrip and new to us 435 hp 1986 mustang XDXDXD).

NS has been coming across as scummy to me for a while but I've been afraid to say that until I had a detailed case prepared against him. Then Llamarble comes up and posts most of what I was going to say. The interactions with iam are certainly telling. I'll see about analyzing his interactions with Magua when the adrenaline high from this mustang wears off.

[Zajnet]

Marble, it's Tclaw and it's Zanjet. The post above near confirms it.

It's so depressing how little trust we can place on each other on the internet. I am being completely honest. I can't believe that I never dropped the NS is scum bomb.

[Zajnet]

lolwut? So now I'm an SK?

lol.

[Zajnet]

hey now marble, maybe sk is his pr and he wants to drink a potion to lose it and win with the town

Yes, even if I was the SK, letting me into the potions would be a good thing.

Not that I'm the SK.

[Zajnet]

Sorry, I just find it so absurd that I could be the SK that I'm not even going to defend that point.

Roommate is making me clean the house so I haven't had time to analyze the NS-Magua interactions.

[Zajnet]

The past couple of days have been crazy-busy, but I'm caught up on the reading. LLD is interesting. Over the past four pages, I've gone from town to scum to town on her. I think that scum part in the middle was just my inherent non-understanding of feminine bursts of emotion. I don't like a TClaw lynch as much as I like an NS lynch.

I'm just a VT, btw. I would have said something if I was a miller or other negative PR.

[Zajnet]

Wait, why do we think Maru is town?

[Zajnet]

Hito killing every night rules out him being mafia (2 mafiakills a night? Nuh uh). It also rules out him being the kidnapper.
Hito claiming his role makes him not a regular SK (claiming draws bullets and guarantees a lynch if 5 mafia are gone).
I think he's town.

BS has claimed a DRASTICALLY BIZARRE role for town.
I believe she has to spend a lot of chits in the villa because of the softclaimy stuff.
But I don't think she has town purposes.

Anyway, this lynch is by no means bad.
VOTE: Tclawren

/barn the part about Hito to high heaven.

I agree that BS's claim is significantly scummy. To add to your thought process, I feel like claiming to need to spend all 5 chits to get a shot reeks of mafia (not SK) looking for an excuse to not have to account for their chits. She could claim she spent all 5 in the villa, yet actually used them to move people around. I actually find her more scummy than Tclaw at the moment.

That being said, I don't think she's the correct lynch for today.

[Zajnet]

I agree, but if someone could submit the move on my to Potions... I only have the 2 red chits left, and since I moved hito to rage earlier I can't self move. I can, however, uninsured move someone else.

[Zajnet]

I can hammer if you want.

If nobody wants to potion me, fine. I want one, but if the town doesn't think my play deserves one, so be it.

[Zajnet]

VOTE: tclawren

[Zajnet]

Yeah what happened with that? Why didn't her door close go through?

[Zajnet]

heylukicaughtscum

heylukicaughtscum

No seriously, why is Maru town?

And while this post might just be town bragging about catching the SK, this post doesn't really sit right to me. It feels to me like Maru is trying to gain town cred by reminding us that he basically led the case against LLD, who flipped "scum," as he says. While LLD did flip Scum, she didn't flip Mafia. Which means that if Maru was Mafia, he wouldn't have known that she was scum.

Also, when I do PoE:

Towniest

Me: the role PM made my town-ness abundantly clear
NS: because he's un'cc'd mason
hito: because I believe his claim, and he's fairly confirmed as a vig. Two Mafia NK's a night would be weird.
Llama: because I believe his claim, and un'cc'd cop
Nautilius: because I believe their claim, only flipped protective role is scum
Andy: behaviorally town, claim would be a good fakeclaim as scum is why he's below NS, Llama, Naut, and hito
Regfan: claimed VT, behaviorally, I see his as scummy
BS: don't believe the claim, behaviorally null

Scummiest

I vote that hito shoots Andy, BS shoots me, and we lynch Maru. Add a Mafia NK, and we essentially guarantee a win. Even if we somehow don't hit all of the scum, we just lynch Naut, who is essentially the only remaining possible scum.

I would love to be potioned. This game is close enough to being over that even if I was a goon, I wouldn't be able to do much damage. But I would be able to put something better than "Vanilla Townie" on my completed games chart

[Zajnet]

Zajnet just proposed something like the only way team Zajnet-BS fails to lose.

I do agree we have a lot of claimed power.

Masons
Limited cop
Vig
Backup
Bodyguard
Tunneler

May be okay though.
Especially if there were 5 mafia to start.

I'm pretty sure BS is scum regardless though, and she should be our lynch today.

I see what you mean about me and BS, I had tried to account for every possibility, but me and her being scum together isn't a possibility. Even so, if we lynch her, and Hito shoots among (Andy, Maru), or even add me into that if you want, as we should be able to win with me dead...

But seriously, why is Maru town?

[Zajnet]

Zajnet, why are you concerned about Maru's accepted town status, but not regfan's or llamarble's? Why do you think that maru is scum?

Vote: Baby Spice

I think this is the obvious way to go, especially after a third party dead and hito with a proven shot.

Because I believe Llamarble's claim, and I don't agree with Regfan's accepted town status, although he's been acting fairly townie all game.

Maru, on the other hand, hasn't done much at all.

I want to potion myself so badly, but then you'd probably lynch me

[Zajnet]

Other than "Hasn't done much at all" please point out where exactly I am scummy? with links and references and quotes please.

...

Oh and go ahead and potion yourself. I dare ya

This. This right here.

[Zajnet]

ME telling you to potion yourself to see who town reacts make me scummy how?

andlolnicecase.

Try summor. Like LONGER as to why I am scum. "Why is he town" is the wrong question.

Why is he town is the perfect question. You have been acting like entitled town all game, and you're not actually confirmed. The above quoted post is just another example. He doesn't want us to consider why he's town, which is nothing. He'd rather us look at why he's scum, which is also nothing. Until now.

[Zajnet]

What changed is that I did go reread the beginning of the game.

Who moved me to the Campfire? For it to do any good, we need someone else in the campfire.

[Zajnet]

I'm sad that I didn't last until endgame. Why did you vig me hito? Was it something specific I said, or just generally bad play?

[Zajnet]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3475255]Protip, don't try playing through a miscarriage.[/quote]

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