Imperial Intrigue (Endgame, OUT OF NOWHERE)

[gandalf5166]

I myself am House Keiger.
There is one House that is scum. It is Argelev.

Uh..... The sample TOWN PM is house Argelev.

Wait What. I thought there was only Loyalist and Agriev.


Can't tell if I'm stupid... Or You're trolling.

Loyalist and Argelev are one and the same. Interchangeable.


DX is confirmed town. My role says EXACTLY why he was originally confused. SK is confirmed scum. ALL town are Loyalists(with a select few exceptions, which I suspect DX is one of). There's a very specific reason why your PM would say Argelev instead of Loyalist if I'm right.

VOTE: SK

[gandalf5166]

PLEASE STOP HOUSE CLAIMING.

House Argelev is central to my wincon, I'm sure there are more dangerous roles for whom it is the same. Yes, I am not strictly town(although I am for the moment). The rightful heirs to the throne are all males of House Argelev. My role DOES say that all heirs to the throne are town. There are traitors within the house, but all the rightful heirs are town. And my role suggests that scum may have an alternate wincon of killing off all the heirs. So please stop.

[gandalf5166]

Shinki: I was wrong about SK being confirmed scum, but I guarantee you that DX is town.

No, I didn't say that. My alignment has the potential to change(and most roles in this game do, if you read the op from the signup thread) and it could end up locking onto town, or third party, or scum, depending on my actions. I certainly won't be making an effort to lock it in until I have a better idea of who's going to win. If you're the kind of town that would Lynch me for giving you information you needed, I will certainly be trying for scum.

[gandalf5166]

You don't Lynch me for the same reason you don't Lynch a survivor. Lynching me has exactly the same effect as if you left me alive and I decided to work against you(you get one less chance to Lynch scum), it's just more distracting.

[gandalf5166]

For one, lynching me now is a guaranteed mislynch. I'm currently town. And yes, lynching a survivor has the same effect as leaving him alive. If you leave him alive, he quickhammers in LyLo( which granted, could lead to town winning, but unlikely unless town is VERY organized). If you Lynch him, you waste a Lynch for certain. So it's smarter to leave him alive unless you think he's lying. Likewise, if you leave me alive, I MIGHT switch to scum, giving you one less day to Lynch the scum. Or you could Lynch me, and you'll definitely lose a day. And for the record, I'm not a very useful scumbuddy. Whatever faction I latch onto, they won't be informed, and I'll only know the alignment of one person on my team. So I'd argue that I'm actually LESS harmful than a survivor.

I'm also getting bad vibes from Shinki. MD, can I have a link to another game of yours? I want to see something.

[gandalf5166]

EBWOP: one that's completed, obviously. Don't talk about ongoing games and whatnot.

[gandalf5166]

Once I switch from town(or choose to stick with town) I am stuck with that choice. One time only. In case you're wondering why I would ever lock in until LyLo, I am given a reward for making my choice. In addition, my method of choosing my alignment is not foolproof. If I make a mistake I might end up on the wrong side. It's not as simple as just telling the mod what side I want to be on.

[gandalf5166]

It's a minor benefit. No matter what alignment I end up, it isn't as useful if I claim it, so I won't elaborate, sorry.

[gandalf5166]

I know. And I'm aware that the longer I stay without an alignment, the less likely you are to think I'm telling the truth. I call it Lost syndrome. you can ask vezok about that one. I'm pretty sure that's why he's voting for me.

[gandalf5166]

My alignment change is dependent on my night action targets. If I want to end up town but I misread someone and the person I pick is scum, I'll end up scum. And I may or may not be able to pick the "obvtown", as I can only pick certain roles.

[gandalf5166]

I have a power that has a traditional use. However, if I use that power to target a certain role(my pm suggests there are several eligible roles) then I latch onto their alignment. So if the person I Target is town, I'll end up town.

[gandalf5166]

Yes. And even if I do Target a role I can align with, the power still performs its normal function.

[gandalf5166]

Hmmm....... Apparently I lose my power once I lock in. So I'd rather not try it tonight. I'll use my power for a couple of nights first.

[gandalf5166]

VOTE: Otolia

Do NOT claim houses ANYMORE. If even one more person claims their house, I will do everything in my power to make sure they die. In the meantime, Otolia dies for ignoring that I ALREADY TOLD HIM scum probably have an alternate wincon to kill of all rightful heirs.

[gandalf5166]

Only, you're scum now. I have a chance of becoming scum at some point in the future.

[gandalf5166]

And there is NO WAY you missed that post by anything other than on purpose. there are like two pages of content that are talking about nothing else.

[gandalf5166]

didnt otolia already die ?.?

the dayvig is obviously fake, there have been multiple votecounts.

[gandalf5166]

And there is NO WAY you missed that post by anything other than on purpose. there are like two pages of content that are talking about nothing else.

Mistakes happen. I did missed your post as I went to sleep approximately at that time. I apologize but thete is little I can do besides that. Fortunately nobody listened to me, what you don't say though, is that before you explained your role people refused to claim house and these should be suspected (Magua is one)

Just because I've caught you doesn't mean you should claim scum. You'll piss off your teammates.

[gandalf5166]

Still, DXanatos needs the lynching first.

does he need it now? asap?

im going to echo what i said earlier: what exactly do we as town gain by rushing into a lynch when we have so much time left day 1? why are you supportive of that?

Dragging out the day is NOT protown. Especially if you want to drag it all the way to deadline. Compromise lynches are never on scum.

[gandalf5166]

Once again, there are multiple heirs.

[gandalf5166]

No, my role only makes sense if there are multiple heirs, and probably quite a few.

[gandalf5166]

SK's role sounds like the Luftwaffe. I can confirm that some roles are groups rather than people.

[gandalf5166]

Break this down. David is not a town PR because he thought Loyalist was a VT. David is not a VT because his role is not Loyalist.

David's role does not contain the word "Loyalist" in it at all.

David is not town.

Unless you didn't read gandalf's posts at all, I don't see why you would say that. Claiming House Argelev is claiming someone that the town has to protect (thus aligned with VT), gandalf's role assure and the flavor David Xanatos used is specifically similar to mine.

This, basically. I doubt heirs would have Loyalist in their PM, since that would make them loyal to..... themselves.

[gandalf5166]

Unless you didn't read gandalf's posts at all, I don't see why you would say that.

You mean gandalf's post where he says Loyalist and House Argalev are interchangeable? Even leaving aside that this is gandalf we're talking about, I do not believe that there is anyone aligned with the town who does not have "Loyalist" in their role.

@SleepyKrew:

if you're really a dayvig and you didn't dayvig David WHILE AT THE SAME TIME AGREEING WITH ME THAT HE IS SCUM you and I are going to have *serious* words.

Okay, let me put it this way. My wincon(the original one, that doesn't even mention the possibility of it changing) is worded differently from the sample PM. I asked the mod about it, he says I start out town. If I can have a different wincon and still be town, he can not have the word Loyalist in his PM and still be town.

[gandalf5166]

Unvote

David, there ARE multiple rightful heirs. It says so in my role PM. Maybe it isn't something that's supposed to be common knowledge, but there are.

VOTE: PeregrineV

Let's lynch real scum, shall we?

[gandalf5166]

Nope, my role definitely specifically says "rightful heirs", and goes on to define that as all males of House Argelev.

[gandalf5166]

David, the mod just confirmed that if your role doesn't say loyalist, you're not town. I suggest that you go ahead and trueclaim now.

[gandalf5166]

While I'm typing out my statement, I would like to say now that I believe the flavour of the role pm's has created massive confusion among the town, and scum are taking full advantage of that. Therefore:

@mod:

I request in game clarification that

all members of House Argelev

, along with all loyalists to House Argelev (whether members of another house, or not), are indeed THE TOWN in this game. Thank you.

The answer is going to be no. I already told you, there are traitors within House Argelev.

[gandalf5166]

And factional talk is not a scumslip, faction is another name for role in this game. Thus fractional talk is between more than one faction.

[gandalf5166]

While I'm typing out my statement, I would like to say now that I believe the flavour of the role pm's has created massive confusion among the town, and scum are taking full advantage of that. Therefore:

@mod:

I request in game clarification that

all members of House Argelev

, along with all loyalists to House Argelev (whether members of another house, or not), are indeed THE TOWN in this game. Thank you.

The answer is going to be no. I already told you, there are traitors within House Argelev.

Within?

As in member(s) of the family itself, or its loyalists?

And you used plural, does this mean there is more than on traitor?

I'd like to know how you know this information.

It's in my role PM. My role's flavor is essentially that it's my job to root out the traitors. And within the house itself. Obviously, those people would not be ALIGNED with House Argelev. I don't have time to read pages 20-22 now.

[gandalf5166]

Claim your win condition as best you can. This is making sense to me.

Oh I'm an idiot.

Fixed.

Gandalf:Claim your win condition as best you can. This is not making sense to me.

My starting wincon is: I win when there is a rightful heir on the throne, and all threats to his kingdom are defeated. I have been told that even though this is not the same as the sample town wincon, I do start out town. So I guess it's just flavor(like I said, my flavor is that I root out traitors in the house, and protect the rightful heirs).

Because House Delmar is not Algerov or similar to my role.

I am not a member of House Argelev either. I'm town for the moment. You can be a Loyalist without being Argelev(such as the colonists living in America who were still loyal to Britain during the revolution).


In other news, SK is an SK. How's that for a coincidence?

I'm honestly not sure about Emp. A Peregrine lynch is much more certain. GOGOGOGOGOGO

[gandalf5166]

Where did the "SK is an SK" comment come from?

[gandalf5166]

Oh, the site ate my response somehow. He claimed BP vig. There's no such thing. Any mod with half a brain knows that's hilariously OP. SKs claim BP vig all the time though, because it allows them to basically trueclaim.

[gandalf5166]

I've never heard of a Day-SK though, have you?

Yes. It was in a bastard game, but this is semi-bastard(I mean, he's not lying to us, but funky roles are in the game). Have you ever heard of a macho bulletproof dayvig?

[gandalf5166]

SK, you definitely claimed BP.

[gandalf5166]

I have no idea what Emp is going to flip.

SK: Are you, or are you not BP. Your posts conflict with each other.

[gandalf5166]

Bah.