SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

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Hello. Who's scum?

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diddin, and the ones who weren't on his wagon yesterday when he died and flipped scum.

So no one at all was bussing?

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I have a hard time believing there'd be four different types of Islanders,

Why?

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Today, I'm kind of exhausted. Tomorrow I have school off but I'm planning to use the day to do actual

work

. If that plan falls through or i can find some spare time, I'll try to catch up a bit then. Otherwise, I should be able to find time over the weekend.

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thought i'd posted more recently for some reason. I have time to read this today. so. i will. probably fairly soon.

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bleh. this always happens when i fall behind in a game, figures it'd happen when i replace in... i always eventually manage to catch up though. I have a test tomorrow that i actually have to study for, and if this game is going to be in night soon then that'll make it easier to catch up on. so.

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Test yesterday, giant physics packet today, test tomorrow, test friday... ugh. this would be a lot easier if this went to night x.x

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Hello.

So a few things that would be really nice to get quick answers to:

What are the buttons for/what do they do/has anything been figured out about them?
Why was warriormode supposed to die? Like, what did Vifam claim that would make it happen? Is Vifam confirmed scum?
What's the case on Sunset? My 2-minute read of them makes me think they're town.

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Hello.

So a few things that would be really nice to get quick answers to:

What are the buttons for/what do they do/has anything been figured out about them?
Why was warriormode supposed to die? Like, what did Vifam claim that would make it happen? Is Vifam confirmed scum?
What's the case on Sunset? My 2-minute read of them makes me think they're town.

scum fishing?

How is it fishing to ask every person in the game for whatever background info is publicly available on a 60-page game?

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^waiting for implosion to explain it himself.

and there is scum in {hiplop, sunset, DX}.

I was asking if there's any info that's public about the mechanic. Not rolefishing. Infofishing, in a way, because i'm asking people to summarize any public info. I don't see how that's scummy or notable; i'm just trying to get up-to-date with whatever has been figured out by everyone about what appears to be an important mechanic.

Someone care to sum up the case on Sunset?

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^^ hes confirmed scum implosion

why?

imp seems fishy to me with that post.

why?

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VOTE: Bunnylover

The idea of baby bowser sounded plausible to me when I read it, and Bunnylover didn't look particularly good. I ISO'd diddin and Vifam, and both of them voted him citing:

like others have said

he's done NO scumhunting, and as it stands, he has more votes on him.

Looks like Vifam isn't happening today. I'm satisfied with the Bunny wagon

from what other people have said.

Which feels really weak and noncommittal.

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VOTE: Bunnylover

The buttons relate to the Yoshis. Note how the Orange button just got destroyed when the Orange Yoshi died.

What bothers me is that the red button was not destroyed day 2. It makes sense that the green button was not destroyed day 1 if Xeras claim is true.

I may as well just claim that I (technically parabollocks but whatever) was responsible for that.

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Love these votes on me.
So much reasoning on each of them
........
oh wait.

1663.

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Isa is town for the third line of 1709 alone.

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Implosion, you're on my list of safe lynches - this is your golden chance. Do you have a power relating to the red button (or any other button), and did you have it before day 2? You don't have to make a full claim.

*shrug*

I might as well just claim. I honestly can't see any reason against it. There are better nightkills than me as it is. I'm a shy guy, and my role functions essentially exactly like Xeras' role, down to having an ability that I don't know what it does and can't use it. I gained that ability when Parabollocks absorbed the red button.

Right now, I'm a red shy guy. Either there are multiple shy guys (possible) or the scum have some kind of role that prevents buttons from being destroyed and were given a shy guy fakeclaim (also possible). So setup spec is basically useless.

At some point, it'd probably be a good idea to do something more thorough with regards to the flipped scum, but I looked at the beginning of Sunset's ISO last night and in the first post where he gave all his reads the bunnylover read felt like it could have been on a scumbuddy (something felt more manufactured, i guess, idr exactly why) especially when, iirc, reads on diddin and vifam were both nulltown and the read on bunnylover was nullscum. I could see scum giving 2 nulltown and 1 nullscum read on their scumbuddies, especially when i think the nullscum read was something about wanting bunnylover to do more.

How many scum are we expecting there to be in this game?

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Regarding claims, a Shy Guy being aligned with the Islanders doesn't sit well with me so I kinda suspect Xeras still as well

I'm a shy guy,

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so the last two scum in the game are claiming the same exact role which explains a phenomenon that has no other explanation

makes a HELL OF A LOT OF SENSE.

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so the

last two scum

in the game are claiming the same exact role which explains a phenomenon that has no other explanation

makes a HELL OF A LOT OF SENSE.

(emphasis mine)
How would you know there are two scum remaining?

And really, I have a hard time believing in one Shy Guy, but two? With all the Yoshi's revealed, I could possibly see one Shy Guy as a one-off role, but not multiple ones.

You implied that both of us are scum, and 6 scum would be a bit much,

especially

considering that I asked recently and was responded with something along the lines of 1-2 scum remaining being the expectation.

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Unvote, Vote: David Xanatos

I don't really see kcdaspot as scummy, ftr.

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Lookie lookie guys, we KNOW that not all scum were given fake claims. When diddin died, the Light Blue button got destroyed. Note that that did not happen when Vifam and Sunset died - no button got destroyed because they had no fake claim.

or they had fakeclaims that weren't yoshis?
I think I mentioned the possibility that Xeras is some kind of scum role that can save a button from being destroyed and who got a shy guy fakeclaim (i kind of doubt it though).

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woooooo one of my reads was right

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VOTE: Bunnylover

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so the last two scum in the game are claiming the same exact role which explains a phenomenon that has no other explanation

makes a HELL OF A LOT OF SENSE.

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@implosion, chkflip targetted you in Night 5, do you know why and have you noticed something about that?

Nope.

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must... resist... urge... to ask bbmolla if he's town... he probably is anyway <_<

And from what I've read on Kcda, I still think he's town.

Not sure whether or not I'm feeling a Xeras lynch.

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Sorry. I was at a debate tournament yesterday and Friday, and kind of didn't really have much to say before that...

I'll try to do some scumteam analysis later today, probably, now that it actually matters.

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Night 6 I tracked kcdaspot, who targetted no one.

Also, i just think kc looks like town. *shrug*

What reasons are there for warriormode to be town?

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Implosion, you're on my list of safe lynches - this is your golden chance. Do you have a power relating to the red button (or any other button), and did you have it before day 2? You don't have to make a full claim.

*shrug*

I might as well just claim. I honestly can't see any reason against it. There are better nightkills than me as it is. I'm a shy guy, and my role functions essentially exactly like Xeras' role, down to having an ability that I don't know what it does and can't use it. I gained that ability when Parabollocks absorbed the red button.

Right now, I'm a red shy guy. Either there are multiple shy guys (possible) or the scum have some kind of role that prevents buttons from being destroyed and were given a shy guy fakeclaim (also possible). So setup spec is basically useless.

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Implo's ISO is embarrasingly small, especially considering it's him.

I've never replaced into a large game. I've only replaced into one or two games, ever. I replaced into this game as a cross-replacement. My meta in other games doesn't apply here. Combine that with the fact that I've been applying to college, it's senior year and I have a ton of work, etc... and it's honestly surprising that I've posted as much as I have.

I've been lurky everywhere. I'm only in two other games right now, and I tend to be lurkier in large games anyway.

What Sunset said about me isn't necessarily a scum interaction (I mean, I know that it isn't). There's no reason that scum can only waffle on each other.

As for DX never mentioning me... well, BB,

he never actually mentioned you either. Or Celebloki.

In fact, he didn't mention warrior either.
DX was just non-commentary on people. That doesn't say anything about the people he didn't comment on. It probably DOES say something about his alignment... which we already know.

1. Second shy guy to claim and Xeras flipped town.
2. WLC tunneled implosion the most out of us and he died last night.
3. Based off mine and WLC's results, we know that scum still have abilities.
Imp would likely be capable of having extra abilities since he had a button. Even though it was never pressed, the buttons actions are hidden from us if they belong to scum.

First point is meaningless. I claimed my role. Just because I was the second one to claim it, doesn't mean that I'm lying.
Second point could be meaningful, but isn't. Whoever is scum had some other reason for killing him.
Third point... is just stupid. I would be capable of having extra abilities since i had a button? so, why exactly couldn't you have extra abilities, or hiplop have extra abilities, or kc or bb have extra abilities?

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(david never mentioned ranmaru either, who warriormode replaced)

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omgus.

omgus is attacking someone who attacked you.

where in that post did i attack anyone

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i mean, i dismissed the case on me. That doesn't mean i was attacking warriormode for the case.

and besides that,

i already indicated

that I find warriormode scummy in post 1950. I can see reasons for everyone else to be town. I don't see any reasons for warriormode to be town.

So yeah, i am attacking him now.

how the fuck is this omgus or was that post omgus?

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if you're talking about 1972, that was just because i remembered that warrior was a replacement, which was a supplement to this point:

As for DX never mentioning me... well, BB, he never actually mentioned you either. Or Celebloki.
In fact, he didn't mention warrior either.
DX was just non-commentary on people. That doesn't say anything about the people he didn't comment on. It probably DOES say something about his alignment... which we already know.

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So you admitted to being a lurker. not good

You'd rather I lie?

You say that I'm scum and you're argument is because everyone else is town. Thats OMGUS.

No. The definition of OMGUS is trying to justify someone else as being scum because they attack you. I'm justifying you as scum by saying everyone else is town, which is PoE (process of elimination)

You try defending yourself by saying DX doesnt mention Celeb or ran or me or Bbmolla. Thats crap.

BB made the point that i was scum because DX didn't mention me. My point is that by the same logic, you and bb are also scum. Which is obviously absurd.

Celeb and Ran left early. David was dead by the time bbmolla replaced. And he was alive for maybe 2 days.

Your point? he still didn't mention them.

The only good point is that DX didn't interact with anyone and hardly posted. But you're doing that too.

Well, first of all, I justified my lurkiness. Second of all, I'm being lurky in pretty much all of my games... you should know that, I'm in multiple games with you.

And you failed to explain you're interactions with Vifam and Sunset that bbmolla pointed out.

'scuse me? The only mention of Vifam was a quote from me where I asked if he was confirmed scum. I don't even see how this can be remotely construed as anything relevant. And

I responded to his points about sunset interacting with me.

I actually missed the point about my saying sunset was a town read, but that also isn't an indicator of me being scum... at all. I was wrong. And?

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grr, imp or bbmolla..

if there are 2 scum, its these 2 and/or bbmolla/KC.

I get it now, warrior. Thanks man.

imps recent post just don't feel *right* to me. I Really, really hope its not the sudden paranoia talking; which is entirely possible. GTRAAAHGH

What reasons are there for warriormode to be town?

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Admitting to lurking doesn't make me lurk... lurking makes me lurk. Whether or not I admit to it, I am. And of course, in a perfect world I wouldn't be... But,

I've never replaced into a large game. I've only replaced into one or two games, ever. I replaced into this game as a cross-replacement. My meta in other games doesn't apply here. Combine that with the fact that I've been applying to college, it's senior year and I have a ton of work, etc... and it's honestly surprising that I've posted as much as I have

Anyway, no time to read/respond to the rest of that, I have to go now.

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I like how he was kind of nonchalant forr the past day and then when he gets wagoned its on.

Well yeah, no shit I'm going to defend myself if I'm under attack. Anyway:

2. Well its kinda both. I did attack you, and you responded back by saying "You're scum cause everyone else is town"
3/4. I understand your point, but my point is how can DX interact with people who don't post at all.
Celeb and Ran hardly had any content and DX was dead by the time bbmolla was in.
Your point is only valid for me and you.
Futhermore, I attacked him. In fact it was one of posts was attacking him. did you attack him?
5. I guess I just have to accept the fact that you're a lurker. fair enough.
6. What I was reffering to was bbmolla's quote on you about your 2 minute town read on them.
BTW did you change your read on them once they had guilties?

2: no. That's wrong. I asked what reasons there were for you to be town in 1950 because people seemed to think you were, but I didn't see why, and then in 1957 you said I was your top scumread.
3/4: so you agree with the point that him not mentioning a person doesn't make that person scum. Cool, that's the only point I was trying to make there.

Why does it matter whether or not you attacked him? I voted him. I don't remember strongly attacking him. But attacking him doesn't mean shit especially in a game where, as far as i can tell, the scum have been bussing each other like crazy.

I really wasn't sure on sunset. I was confused at that stage of the game because I couldn't find anything they'd said which looked scummy, and I wasn't entirely sure about the guilty on him. Frankly, I didn't take a stance at that point, because I really didn't have one.

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grr, imp or bbmolla..

if there are 2 scum, its these 2 and/or bbmolla/KC.

I get it now, warrior. Thanks man.

imps recent post just don't feel *right* to me. I Really, really hope its not the sudden paranoia talking; which is entirely possible. GTRAAAHGH

What reasons are there for warriormode to be town?

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VOTE: BBmolla

If i have to hammer myself to avoid a nolynch, i will.

@Mod:

exactly how much time is left in the day?

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Anyway: the vifam thing makes sense. I took a brief look at celebloki, and thought what he had said was fairly scummy. I've also decided to not even try to read bb, because he's too... weird. His main towntell was saying he was willing to be lynched first somewhere (bb says shit like that as town), but that's easy to fake.

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Yeah, not dissing the votes on the Jaka wagon since I mainly started it, but both chkflip and david have supposed cases coming for him. Easy way to sheep a vote without having to justify it.

My vote is staying on Jaka. I've played with town BL in another game and it's similar to this. Jaka to me just hasn't posted any real content and sheeps onto wagons. Or similarly here he jumped right on WLC because he saw DH (who is leading people around) scrutinize him with hardly a case.

prod dodge, I still believe Jaka is scum and I haven't seen a compelling reason to move my vote.

Unvote

I believe his claim for now. He was driving me bananas with his no defense, no case building posts.

I'll have to do some more reading before I place a vote.

This in particular. The way that he parked his vote on jakalope, and then immediately dismissed the vote he'd parked as soon as jakalope claimed stork.

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you're an idiot.

if someone attacks you, are you going to defend yourself?

the answer is yes, regardless of alignment.

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"explain my actions"
this is a form of defending oneself

"keep scumhunting"
like i've been doing? see posts 1991 and 1992, along with me asking why warrior was town. I had reasons in my head for everyone but him to be town, and no one was answering my questions, but at this point, the reasons for bb to be town are the weakest.

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Like, seriously. Take off the tunnelvision glasses.

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There is a big difference between attacking and just bussing.
Attacking is actually putting a case on someone and bussing is just hopping on the wagon.
So the difference is I attacked David and Vifam and you just hopped on their wagons. That was my point.

Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners,

usually by helping to lynch them

(and hopefully playing a major role in convincing others that they are worthy to be lynched).

Just because I hopped on the wagons, doesn't mean i was bussing in any way shape or form. Just because you took more time to attack and build cases, doesn't mean you weren't bussing.

As for the 1v1... i agree, i probably should have taken a stance. But again, I was confused and unsure. If 1v1's are something you need to take a stance on almost every time... then i guess that was the one time that doesn't fall under the "almost." Plus I was behind in the game and ridiculously busy.

I also wasn't totally sure if hiplop was claiming a guilty for a bit of it, iirc. 1634, looking at my iso.

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First half of celebloki's iso. I already talked about the second half. The two bear a similarity in that Celebloki had a tendency to be very rigid in his suspicions. He only really suspected two people, RBT and jakalope.

Wow, This game has been moving fast. Just a disclaimer off the bat I don't post much on the weekends, I do most of my play when I am dodging work during the week. I've read up to the current day and I've pretty much come to the conclusion that it's all typical D1 confusing back and forth. I'll need to ISO some people before I come to anything concrete. I think RBT played awfully and agree with the wagon. The vote on DH can only be described as lolbutthurtOMGUS.

So what's RBT at now? L-4?

Vote: RBT

L-3 now.

So, part of the issue with this post is the last two lines. They feel like they're just an attempt to look like town. Overcautiousness, in a way. He cares too much about the state of the wagon. Another thing is how he says that he's going to have to ISO to come to something concrete... then votes in a way that implies something relatively concrete.

As I stated before I tend to post very lightly on the weekends and this game happened to open on Friday.

My vote is staying on RBT. Not only was that OMGUS vote horrendous but he hasn't even tried to defend himself. Claims he's been posting reads and in his 7 posts of 2 sentences each I really don't see anything I'd call reads or analysis. He sits there and attacks DH without anything behind it but "you're better than this". Maybe actually try and point out why others are scum instead of just throwing the label around. We're trying to tell you to redeem yourself and actually post some reads or analysis and you don't do it. It also doesn't that you're close to a hammer and refuse to claim, reeks of scum not knowing what to fakeclaim.

Basically, he's parking his vote. Most of this justification is okay, but wait for the next post. Also, the last line is just mudslinging. "reeks of scum not knowing what to fakeclaim" is just reaching and finding more reasons to park the vote.

Hmm

Unvote

I will unvote for now. I've been in too many games recently where I've had moronic VIs get mislynched. I guess I'll have to add RBT to my blacklist. In the game WC linked he does the same crap where he says he has a great case on someone and when you read back theres nothing. Just like how he has no reasoning or reads in this game and claims to. He's also hostile and refuses to claim in those games, attacks anyone that goes against him. I'm not giving him a pass because this is how he always plays, but he is pretty much on par with DK in the realm of anti-town play. I have other suspicions on TheJakalope who was very obviously lurking. Say's he'll provide more reads and analysis then disappears, but magically is present to unvote when RBT gets to L-1. He's obviously watching the game and just not posting. Then when he does provide reads he comes up with nothing. Say's diddin is scum and isos him, then pretty much says "oh nvm". My guess he saw his name being thrown around and decided to call him scummy.

Vote: TheJakalope

Before other people call me out as being similar to him, I already stated I hardly look at the site on the weekends due to being busy. Usually in the evenings to make sure I haven't missed anything major. I catchup on Monday's and play throughout the week generally from 9-5. Most of my Mafia play time happens when I am at work dodging productivity. There's a difference between lurking and having the game accumulate 16 pages in 2 days when I am usually not around. I claim TheJakalope was lurking because he was there to unvote only about a half hour after RBT went L-1 sunday morning.

My vote on RBT was easy because at the time he had 3 posts to speak of and they were filled with scummy OMGUS. I continued to watch what happened with him each night and decided his crappy defense didn't warrant my unvote. Now, this morning, from other games I see he plays like this often and I would not like to lose a town slot on him, there's others that can be caught.

So, he unvotes RBT to vote jakalope... for lurking. After all of the points that he had on RBT before. I mean, sure, there could be issues of meta, but with all of the scummy things he'd pointed out about RBT, you'd think it'd be a stronger scumread than one garnered from lurking. He's also preemptively defending himself -> he's concerned about looking like town even when not under direct attack.

I'm not excusing RBT because of meta, I'm saying theres no point in ending the day so fast. Only scum and trigger happy PRs want the day to end fast so they get to do fun shit. We need to exercise our voice and our vote during the daylight hours people. I will happily pile on and lynch RBT after we've used some of our time. Who knows, RBT will probably dig his hole deeper and become even more obvious, if thats even possible.

So, he's not excusing RBT because of meta. After saying in the previous post over and over that he was excusing RBT because of meta.

right.

And then he makes an attempt to gain towncred by pretending to care about the game. The line that only scum want to end the day fast basically sets up a parameter by which to evaluate peoples' alignments, and saying that he's town and others are scum based on that parameter. In other words, he's saying "doing X is a town thing to do; I'm doing X, therefore i'm town and those not doing X are likely scum." In other other words, he's trying to gain towncred while simultaneously giving himself reasons to attack people. And he says RBT will become more obvious. AFTER SAYING RBT IS PROBABLY TOWN. He says he's willing to vote RBT

after they've used time.

It's just ridiculous. It isn't town motivated. Saying someone is town based on meta, then saying that you WEREN'T saying that and that they're actually scum, and saying that you unvoted because of time issues is:

1) cognitive dissonance in the reason for his change of vote to jakalope
2) cognitive dissonance in his read on RBT
3) contradictory.

Townies have opinions and reasons. Townies may change opinions. But townies do not change

what they're opinions were.

townies do not say they have opinion X at moment Y, then say that they had opinion Z at moment Y later on. Townies do not say, very explicitily, multiple separate reasons that contradict each other for a given action.

Well I'd at least like to attempt to get RBT to claim again before we hammer. I may get motivated to drop the hammer. Seems the town isn't much for D1 discussions anyway. We'll at least be able to learn something D2 about what happens at night anyway.

Repeat everything I said in the last paragraph about gaining towncred while simultaneously giving excuses to attack people later.

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no, bb, because you're difficult to read ;_;

Let's see. 1802/1807, you talked indirectly about your role PM. So, there are two explanations for that:
1) you're town and were talking about your role
2) you're scum and were talking about a baby DK fakeclaim you were given

2 actually makes a lot of sense. It would be a good way to look like town by talking about a town role pm. 1 makes a little less, since you wouldn't have any direct motivation to.

Early on you really weren't doing much of anything that's commentable on. Attacking Kc and changing was probably null.

1939/1940 actually reads as a bit disingenouous. There were 7 people alive, and you were saying you were assuming a 5p scumteam. For it to have been mylo at that point, there would have had to be a

7p scumteam.

You said you'd selfvote because that's your meta, and I know that it's your meta from camn's temperamental where you constantly said you were willing to be lynched and stuff. But then you realized that if you said that, then you'd be totally screwed, so you had to come up with a BS excuse a la "Eh, actually I take it back, I'd feel like crap if I hammered myself and lost the game for everyone."

Between 1944 and 1956 you randomly went from me being scum to warrior being scum, which would also make sense with you-scum since you'd have to push mislynches on both of us to win.

So yeah. Actually. Kind of.

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wait, never mind. that was at a point where mylo would involve a 6p scumteam.

either way, you said you were assuming a 5p scumteam.

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I mean, like, caution is fine, sure. But it feels like an attempt to fit into what has become your town meta, followed by a realization that trying to fit into that meta could be suicidal.

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This morning in the shower, i went between phases of thinking everyone was scum.

And i'm honestly glad that hiplop died because i probably would have wound up pushing on him >_>

i'd lean warrior as scum right now, but i need to meta kcdaspot.

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Also, i haven't been in a 3-way lylo since newbie 1034, and that was a LONG time ago. So. >_>.

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kc, what's your most recent scumgame?

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(completed, obviously)

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This morning in the shower, i went between phases of thinking everyone was scum.

And i'm honestly glad that hiplop died because i probably would have wound up pushing on him >_>

i'd lean warrior as scum right now, but i need to meta kcdaspot.

Why do you think this?
Both of those last two lines?

It was weird that he was still alive yesterday, but i didn't want to say it yesterday because if he was town, scum might have left him alive. And if he was scum and lived to today, i could just say it today. Basically, he should have died earlier.

I'm leaning you as scum because of the track result and just because honestly, every post that I've seen from kc gives me a gut town feel. Which is why i need meta. because it's mostly the way that he's playing.

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Also, warrior, what did you claim?

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I don't like your reason on not sharing your suspicion on hiplop.
Only because you only shared a little suspicion on me and then tunneled bbmolla.
You were at L-1, that was the time to speak up, I mean fortunately you said enough but still...

It's the kind of thing where if i explain it, it defeats the purpose of its existence. If i were to say "hiplop is scummy for not dying," it makes it more likely that the scum will leave hiplop alive.

I expressed that i thought kc was town in 1784, 1871, and 1950. So saying i didn't express it is just false. I do have motivation to call him town today: I believe he is town, and he was tunneling me yesterday. I believe you are scum, which means that (barring any changes in opinions and assuming that i'm right) I need kc's vote to win. That isn't a tell.

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eugh. i missed that watcher claim... mreh. I need to think about this.

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euuugh. and now i'm starting to think kc is scum.

1) ninja scum would make a

lot

of sense. At this point, to me, either warrior is a scum watcher or kc is a scum ninja. Scum ninja makes more sense with what we have flipped (there's already a joat, even if we don't know their abilities). It would also make sense since we have a tracker and a watcher claim.
2) I'm just not entirely sure if what warrior did with vifam can come from scum.
3) the more i think about it, kc-town is dependent on the way he's playing more than the content of his posts, and the way he plays isn't significantly different here as it is as scum.

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not this baby = scum shit again.

where did i say this in my last post?

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... dammit now my town read has gone and AtE'd goddamn...

DONT MAKE ME REGRET IT WARRIOR. IF I'M WRONG AT LEAST HAVE DECENCY TO CLAIM VICTORY WHEN YOU HAMMER BUT DON T MAKE ME REGRET IT. CLEAR POST WARRIOR PLZ PLZ PLZ

VOTE: kcdaspot

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oh shit, a usurper.

well done.

[implosion]

At least i knew it wasnt imp, and today i was going to vote warrior if he lived - but I rip'd

its either you or KC. Also resorting to insults is cowards play.

:-\