In post 33, Duplicity wrote:Just about to head out to a poker tournament but should be back later today. Setup wise I'm leaning towards this likely being a 4 scum and one third party setup with heavy amounts of power roles. Reasoning behind why can be explained if needed but most of it is Slaxx-hosting-meta-related. Right now I have a few weak town reads but no real scum reads and I want to have a discussion with Gorilla before I consider outting those. I think I know who Mystery Head is and believe they're town so the voting on them should stop, similarly the Shadow Dancer case is incredibly weak and although I love the initiative of trying to push out of RVS piling votes on him isn't the right way of doing it.
The U-Pick claiming is sub-optimal, the choices that people made are not related to their alignment at all since they were picked previously meaning reasoning behind the choices or the choices themselves will garner us no real information. Sure it may lock scum into a selection of four potential roles but at the same time as seen in Any Band mafia will just be claiming their own abilities as town abilities and thus discussion on whether we should claim now needs to cease.
Also can the quote walls stop pretty please.
Regfan, you say that you know how the battery works, your question to end the quote walls implies that you either don't want to have to read through useless information that you have already read, or the size/length of a post does not affect the battery. Can you clarify? I am a bit ambivalent about knowing as scum could artificially fuck with the battery, but just letting you know. :c Also, people, this is a prime example of Duplicity actually scumhunting. I don't see the reason why in the middle of the day the flavor was "Duplicity is scum!! lol!!". He has actively been calling for set up speculation to end, the lurkers to post, and people to answer questions. Duplicity is not scum.
At first I thought you were talking about something else, but after rereading I understand what you mean. And it is obvious lol. Sucks he has such a blatant PR.
In post 59, Robocopter87 wrote:Robo is here. Meaning scum are obviously screwed.
VOTE: Scumhunter
You tricky son of a gun. You thought by naming yourself the finder of scum that people would believe you to be town.
I didn't buy it.
Why aren't you voting more often since scum are obviously screwed with your presence? Oh wait they are because you are obvious scum. I get it.
In post 63, Sir Bastion wrote: In post 60, Scumhunter wrote:Trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll tiiiiiime.
I'd just like to take a moment to thank slaxx for giving me such an amazing role. It's a shame to waste such a role on a game with this terrible of a player base though. Seriously this game is like the retard room at a special ed convention.
Its a game about the internet...
yes I think it being like the retard room at a special ed convention is showing an amazing level of accuracy by the player base.
meanwhile the wagon on shadowdancer may end because quite frankly (and in comparison to another game I am currently in quite positive) he performed the correct intelligent response to such a wagon.
Ignore it.
There was hardly a case on him of any worth and while I'd hoped pressure might have made him make a mistake. He didnt. Good for him.
+1 smarty points
Doesnt make him town though.
unvote
I could join the Primate wagon but that'll be a tad hypocritical so I'd like to ask Gaoth why he FOS Dramonic but quoted duplicity? I am having trouble seeing how the two are linked looking at them in ISO?
What the fuck does this mean? I agree that Shadow is town, but the reasons you have given are very bad for it. I have my own special little tell for Shadow as scum, but it is dependent on a few things so we will have to wait and see.
A common theme when I quote Bastion is that his posts are forced and do not seem genuine (largely going to be my basis for calling him scum). This is a prime example of that forcedness.
In post 86, Sir Bastion wrote: In post 83, Shadow Dancer wrote:@Bastion
#73:This suggests that you considered Primate's actions town and were defending him - the post did not read like a defense at all.
But if this is so, what do you think about Jester and Cookie then?
Nothing wrong with Killerjester. It was his post that had me mention my position on Primate's wagon because he had made it clear that on actual content there was nothing different between me and primate, and its just down to whatever mysterious force that guides him that Primates post read more scummy then mine.
Aside from that he answered my question about vi's batter life and he is sensible in not trying to teamhunt on day 1 (a bad idea in my opinion) So I have no issue with him and in fact get a town vibe of him.
Cookie is a bit of a strange one because well...
look at his posts:
Vote: Tragedy
i
d
k
Ok its RVS makes sense to mess around
Translates to:
"SOMETHING ABOUT HIM IS SCUMMY I DONT KNOW WHAT BUT IM GOING TO VOTE HIM BUT I THINK I KNOW HERE LET ME EXPLAIN BUT WAIT ITS PRETTY MINOR."
Unvote
Vote: Primate
I already mentioned this one as a strange one cause it is similar to
"I TOTALLY HAVEN'T BEEN TALKING IN MY PRE-GAME SCUM QT - LOOK, I HARDLY KNOW ANYBODY HERE! IF I HAD A SCUM QT I WOULD KNOW MORE PEOPLE!"
And yes I guess its just similar in tone, but I found it weird because when its taken in context of his other posts:
your dumb
What is going on? Why are people flaming each other?
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY FUCK.
It's not similar at all in it's message, just the mocking style.
(anditsgoodbecauseImadeit)
It reads almost like dare I say it trolling and a bit forced when compared to his posting style in other games just look at the iso of this game:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=12130
But I've never played cookie before so I might have randomly picked a game where he posted in a different tone.
It was a good post from EtherealCookie because he pointed out something very scummy that might have gone unnoticed otherwise.
Oh? Ok if thats all thats needed for a good post.
You and Primate are very different.
Your post was "well there's no better place for my vote"-attitude.
Primate was all over the place with his "well this might be scummy but it might not be don't know why but it could be because of perhaps that but then again not but yeah because I can but might just be me actually it doesn't matter hey I don't think it even exists but still I may as well".
clearly I have much to learn on the reading of posts, as I took the *Mise well* being the same tone as my *Since its the only partial lead to go on in the mean time*
hence I dont find his post nearly as scummy as most other people.
Well everybody (+2) have posted including sleepykrew out of his hydra??? which kind of threw me a bit.
I'm still mostly waiting on Gaoth's answer to my earlier question:
why he FOS Dramonic but quoted duplicity? I am having trouble seeing how the two are linked looking at them in ISO?
Again another post that seems extremely forced and fake in my opinion. He is using posting style and meta from another game as his basis for saying that Ethereal is odd when this game is full of odd players and weird post restrictions. I don't like Bastion's posts at all.
In post 89, Duplicity wrote:The post restriction conversation and focus needs to be dialed down because right now it's overpowering any real scumhunting discussion though with that said I'm fairly sure I know who is what personality right now but see no real advantage in announcing them publicly and request that anyone else who has also worked them out does the same. Also for the love of god the quote walling needs to stop.
I have relatively strong town-reads on Hoppster, ShadowDancer and Killerjester and weaker town-reads on Tragedy, Oversoul and CATFISH right now though I know that Gorilla disagrees with my SD town-read. I'm not liking Gaoth and Scumhunters earlier posts but I know they both have a tendency to struggle in the RVS period of the game regardless of his alignment so I'm happy to give them some time to settle in.
Sir Bastions posts reads like he's trying to foist suspicion onto Etherealcookie but it's weak as hell and he uses weasel words without calling him outright scummy. It looks like he is testing the waters to see if anyone is willing to vote him without actually sticking his neck out and making an attack. Furthermore his fencesitting and unvote on ShadowDancer while stating that he's not town looks like scum leaving options open later.
Vote: Sir Bastion
@Ｇaoth
- What in particular did you find scummy about my previous post and why didn't you change your vote to me because of it?
Any reason that the G in Gaoth here is different?
Yet another post for why Duplicity is town by stifling the amount of babble and useless discussion (although I freely admit I do participate in babble :p) about the Post Restriction (not just because I agree with the vote). Giving out town reads is just as beneficial as giving out scum reads and I really do not understand the "Duplicity isn't scumhunting".
In post 90, Sir Bastion wrote:Sir Bastions posts reads like he's trying to foist suspicion onto Etherealcookie but it's weak as hell and he uses weasel words without calling him outright scummy. It looks like he is testing the waters to see if anyone is willing to vote him without actually sticking his neck out and making an attack
Quick question. Where does Etherealcookie sit on your reads? He's absent from your post.
Do you feel he is town and thus above simple questioning and scrutiny?
My comments on primate got a good going over by shadowdancer I should expect to be allowed the question the posting style of other players.
I asked questions, I gave thoughts as a response to shadowdancer and Last I checked I made my vote against Hoppster and now am waiting on his next set of responses. I think that coupled with the primate discussion is enough neck for any poster this early in the day.
Furthermore his fencesitting and unvote on ShadowDancer while stating that he's not town looks like scum leaving options open later.
Fencesitting, no again I have made a vote since I unvoted and I explained my unvote. I didnt outright state he was town because at the moment I have a null read on him, he's clearly a calm collected player hence I removed my vote which was there to generate a response. I dont need to believe he is town to remove my vote, just null. I think its suspect to swing from scum to town based on one post.
You misinterpret the way Duplicity used fencesitting in that post (or maybe I am). He wasn't talking about fencesitting in general, rather, he was talking about your fencesitting towards Shadow where you stated he answered nicely to the pressure and gave townie tells, but his response doesn't make him town... It is just odd and weirdly phrased.
Your sentence "Do you feel he is above scrutiny and simple questioning" looks completely out of place and doesn't sit well with me. Gah. i don't like your posting style. ._.
In post 93, Duplicity wrote:Ethernalcookie is null right now, if he were a town-read of ours we'd have stated so. You're not questioning Ethernal, if you were that would be understandable but you're stating actions he's done and how you find them suspicious in a manner where you're appealing to other people to vote him rather than voting him, that's not reaction testing him that's bandwagon fishing.
@ CATFISH -
Although some posting restrictions are able to be worked out claiming them is idiotic because claiming posting restrictions is essentially claiming the U-Pick you were given which also means letting mafia know what role possibilities you have. Also SD and Tragedy are both town.
Good explanation as to why further PR discussion is bad as well as a solid explanation of Bastion's weird play.
Why are you being so useless? If you don't like your role like Tragedy, you can at least say so and still participate, but you are very happy making these very unuseful posts and I am starting to agree with the Dramonic-scum feelings.
In post 141, Shadow Dancer wrote:Tragedy looks reasonably town now... But CAT's contribution leave much to wish for at the moment.
unvote. vote CAT
If you weren't town this would be so incredibly opportunistic. :\ Also, why the hypocrisy when you want people to stop quote walling and then you go and spam multiple short posts? >_>
In post 199, Duplicity wrote:@ SleepyKrew -
Shadows vote landing on you doesn't change the fact that he's scumhunted at all. Also if the question directed towards Goath is why does he suspect you for mentioning GB multiple times I don't think you're going to get any answer because again the question really doesn't lead anywhere. Hurry Amrum up, make this her utmost priority and if I were to tell you that Tragedy, ShadowDancer and Gaoth were all town right now who would you vote?
Sir Bastion.
Useless. Post Restriction of trolling doesn't mean you have to play against your wincon. Unless of course, your wincon isn't aligned with town.
In post 254, CATFISH wrote:Five Reasons Why Duplicity Needs Instant Death
by SleepyKrew
REASON ONE:
Duplicity is not scumhunting. He is sitting there and saying "these ppl r b town no tuchin dem!!!". There is no protown motivation for this kind of behavior. His closest semblance to scumhunting is saying "these ppl r not b untuchable ima sit onna fence YEEHA".
REASON TWO:
His townread on SD is utter bullshit. He says it's because of SD's scumhunting. SD is voting us, and we're one of Dup's untuchables. Plus, SD doesn't even have a good reason to be on us. Fakeread is fake.
REASON THREE:
He's trying so hard to derail the SD wagon. He tried so hard to get us off Tragedy. But he just shrugs his shoulders at the votes on us. Inconsistency.
REASON FOUR:
He was probably THE most vocal person clamoring for Amrun. Why? Why do you want more activity from an already active slot instead of from lurkers? Why don't you get gorilla to post, because I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted ONCE yet.
REASON FIVE:
Let's get this part out of the way first- he put words in SD's mouth.
But it gets worse. He claims he knows how the battery operates, and that it's by postcount. He uses SD's multipost as an excuse to derail that wagon. But not the votes on us, even though we also multipost. More inconsistency.
And that's not all. Order now and we'll double the inconsistency! So Mister Duplicity, the battery operates on postcount you say? This needs it's own mini-list:
1. Why not share this earlier?
2. How do you know this?
3. If you're so worried about getting deadlined, why don't you just spam it up?
4. If multiposting is protown, how come you don't do it?
CONCLUSION:
Duplicity is scum.
No... He is scumhunting. do you not remember his town and scum list where he listed Bastion and Primate as strong and weak scumtells respectively? Of course Duplicity is more occupied with townhunting (which isn't a bad idea), another head bringing this up doesn't really sit well with me. I am willing to trust Duplicity, but that is sketchy.
SD is a minor townread for a few people so it isn't completely out of line with what Duplicity has said earlier.
3 I really have no comment on, I'll let Duplicity explain.
He hasn't only been calling for Amrun to play, he has been calling for all of the inactives to play. He wants Amrun to play probably to look for a certain tell she exhibits or something. I don't think calling for Amrun is a scumtell.
I normally would want battery questions answered, but I ask that Duplicity think about the information he is giving everyone as it could potentially allow the scum to drain the battery intentionally.
In post 272, Tragedy wrote:
Hehehehahahaha.
What's your
lame
thoughts?
Lameface Role is Lameface.
Obvious PR and role is obvious. Sorry, Tragedy.
In post 279, Tragedy wrote: In post 257, Duplicity wrote:REASON FOUR:
He was probably THE most vocal person clamoring for Amrun. Why? Why do you want more activity from an already active slot instead of from lurkers? Why don't you get gorilla to post, because I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted ONCE yet.
Because Amrun is more competent than you. This game is lacking real anaylsis and Amrun posting or at least reading the thread would assist in that. Further than that, though, what scum motive is there in pushing Amrun to post?
Also, I've been discussing with him behind the scenes, I generally don't post as much as him, but we've worked on posts collaboratively.
So basically, you're saying that we should WAIT for Amrun so the game would move more?
REALLY?
That is a misrepresentation. He did not say we should hold off on voting, he said that Amrun should try to make this (failing) game a priority so it stops failing in his opinion.
In post 302, Duplicity wrote:The current pet theory of mine is that SB is scum distancing from EC. Will elaborate later.
Regfan reads Benmage as town, don't have the reasoning right now but he wanted me to post that.
- G.
Did you ever elaborate on this? I find Ethereal town and he probably will be, but I am interested in the Bastion part of this.
In post 307, EtherealCookie wrote:Ethereal, are you a double voter? actually?
Not AFAIK.
@Cookiepost 146 Why didn't you say anything when Dramonic did the same?
Shadow's vote followed another person's vote on the same person. That was what caught my attention. He doesn't bother to defend himself. Dramonic is also extremely sketchy, especially for a guy carrying two awards. Definite scum vibes from him.
BenMage, ironically, seems like our VI. That's also odd for someone who's best performance town.
@OverSoul
You don't have a vote on anyone and you haven't voiced any suspicion for a bit. Who do you think is scum?
Ya. I don't know. I am on an activity wave at the moment. Some days I feel really good about mafia and other days I am totally unhappy with it. A lot of stuff is going on in my life and it is directly influencing my commitment to my games as sad as that sounds. I will say that I find Sir Bastion scummy, Scumhunter scummy, Dramonic scummy, and Benmage scummy.
I thought this was scum using a lurker as a reason to vote someone, but I have to say I actually agree that Dramonic is likely scum. >_>
In post 316, Sir Bastion wrote:unvote
I dont think Hoppster is scum anymore.
I admit I am sort of bystanding waiting to see how the main conflicts (catfish/duplicity, scumhunter/dramonic etc etc) develop. I had a notion but i'm in 3 games and I am currently pushing a case in another one if I start doing both parallel I'll end up getting tabs mixed like I did earlier in this game. So if the other case stalls tomorrow I might switch over to this one.
Cautiousness. That is the reason why I don't like Bastion. I knew there was a post in here that explained it. He is nervous about posting his thoughts because he is waiting for other things to develop to then use as his own reasoning, he is nervous about getting his games confused which is really only a minor thing, and he is waiting for a case to stall in order to be active in this game. What the heck dude? >_>
In post 357, dramonic wrote: In post 346, Hoppster wrote:Town-read on Farside.
Leaning-town on both benmage and Scumhunter.
You should all stop bickering and vote Dramonic.
/definitelynotaproddoge
Aren't you looking for an easy wagon <3
Says you...
With the revelation that there are likely 3rd parties, and Dram's play I think he is third party.
In post 375, Sir Bastion wrote:Hmm I'm surprised you are making people so aware of the battery if you let it drain out draconic is going to get lynched unless he convinces people to move wagon.
This is going to get you what you want right? Either he contributes enough to save himself or he's dancing a foot off the ground
Making people aware of the battery is good. If others cannot move themselves to make a stance and commit to actual reads, that isn't his fault. If you are that worried about Dramonic, why don't you compel him? Although, I think getting lynched is what Dramonic wants at this point.
In post 387, Benmage wrote: In post 385, Gaoth wrote:Sorry. In fairness, I should have gone back to the original post. But here it is! Bolded are my summarizations.
Benmage wrote:Ive read a couple more pages... still trying to catch-up. Off the top of my head....
Still don't like Hopp...but waiting for a response for more. Liking SirBast less and less the more I read of him. I think Oversoul irked me earlier. Those 3 are my top scumreads right now I suppose.
1.You use the word "like" quite a bit when commenting on plays....as well as irk. These are extremely soft ways of calling something scummy without saying, "you are scum." You either don't find these players scummy, or you just want us to think you do.
EC seems like our VI.
2.Why not call him town then?
Cat uncertain...
3.Seriously...
Duplicity.. back n forth there. I want to say town.
4."back n forth" So, like, over the fence? You want to call him town, but you don't....
Primate reads the most vet. I'll be relooking here when I get caught up.
5. Okay, so? Whats the read? I don't think you have given one yet.
Thats why you are fencesitting in this post. Furthermore, direct your attention to
Benmage 342. Where exactly have you "Done this"?
In other news, I saw this post on Reddit that had all the Eeveelutions next to pictures of celebrity females. How cool would it be to name a bunch of Eeveelutions after these people?! For example, a Glaceon named after Ramona from Scott Pilgrim (cause of the blue hair style)!!
1. Except I then go on to say those 3 are my top scum reads.
2. I said he's a VI.. VI, just like newbs as I have said are my weakness. They're unreadable. This would fall under null I suppose. Not town.
3. Lolwut? Call it null.
4. Its an incomplete read. Some things I read gave me town vibes.. some gave me scum vibes. Call it slight town.
5. I've only just recently (today) been fully uptodate with the thread. So no I haven't done much extracurricular work.. and other things of interest have put that on the backburner. (Plus primate needs more content)
And for the last comment just breakdown what I've said.
Scum:
Hopp
Oversoul
SirBast
Null:
EC
Cat
Primate
Slight town:
Duplicity
^^Thats what my statements breakdown to.
Nice to know that in your reread, your scumlist hasn't changed at all. Until someone points out that you said you liked Hopp and then it does change.
Scum. Weak reasoning and weak posts from Benmage. I do not like his play at all.
In post 400, Benmage wrote:Yeah, forget everything I said about Hopp.
Look at content regarding EC.
Scum:
Bastion
Scumhunter
Benmage
Third party:
Dramonic (Jester)
Town:
Duplicity
Shadow Dancer
Gaoth
Tragedy
Ethereal
Likely scum:
Robocopter
Primate
