The Aftermath - Victors Announced

[elvis_knits]

Wooooooo!

VOTE: spyrex

Ginger!

[elvis_knits]

so does this mean theres going to be screaming and yelling and insults because i dislike all of those things as they make it hard for me to post my thoughtful, elaborate and verbose cases against scum

verbose?

ew.

Ok, so far I have three scum:
spyrex (ginger)
Pine (ginger protector)
kuribo (verbose)

Also, I don't know what the SDC is either. I feel so uncool.

[elvis_knits]

Don't try to backpedal...

[elvis_knits]

Now kuribo is fluff posting.

Also he's voting lowell. I mean, lowell probably has to die, tbh, but he's the ultimate easy target.

VOTE: kuribo

kuribo wagon go!

[elvis_knits]

although i do love your quest for meaningful content in the RVS





(the sound you hear is the sarcasm train)

All content is meaningful.

DIAF

[elvis_knits]

I'm sick of this SDC bullshit. I don't know what it is. Maybe I'm just jealous.

Kuribo wagon is awesome. ^5 all around. Even SA, whose motives are questionable, but voting kuribo is pro-town so.

Pine defended kuribo. Don't think I didn't notice, pine.

KK, Elli both town.

Chunkykev unvotes his RVS vote without revoting. Scummy.

Kuribo you do have some reads on people right <_<?

KURIBO

JESUS

I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO BUS YOU D1 OF ALL DAYS

OKAY FINE:

I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO READ DGB FOR SHIT, THOUGH IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE I'VE PLAYED WITH HER
SPYREX SCUM I COULD SPOT A MILE AWAY, BUT HE HASN'T REALLY POSTED MUCH YET
RECKONER IS FISHY BECAUSE HE KNOWS GOD DAMN WELL HOW I ROLL AFTER I BROKE GLOWBALL AND LLD INTO A MILLION BLUBBERING PIECES IN THE GAME HE MODDED
KUBLAI I CAN'T TELL IF HE'S JUST AN IDIOT OR SCUM
ELVIS KNITS STARTS THE WAGON ON ME AND MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARS TO LET KUBLAI / SLEEPLESS ASSASSIN DO HIS DIRTY WORK

In other words:
"DGB: null
Spyrex: null
Reckoner: OMGUS
KK: OMGUS
EK: OMGUS"

This is the best you can do? 2 null reads and 3 OMGUS.

[elvis_knits]

How do you get your town reads?

Combination of scum hunting, original thoughts, making sense, no sense of lying or manipulating, and special sauce.

KK because of the above, and I agree with everything he's saying.

Elli because he shows all of the above even though he doesn't seem to be on my wavelength.

[elvis_knits]

Reposting in case kuribo missed my excellent point about his sucky reads:

Kuribo you do have some reads on people right <_<?

KURIBO

JESUS

I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO BUS YOU D1 OF ALL DAYS

OKAY FINE:

I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO READ DGB FOR SHIT, THOUGH IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE I'VE PLAYED WITH HER
SPYREX SCUM I COULD SPOT A MILE AWAY, BUT HE HASN'T REALLY POSTED MUCH YET
RECKONER IS FISHY BECAUSE HE KNOWS GOD DAMN WELL HOW I ROLL AFTER I BROKE GLOWBALL AND LLD INTO A MILLION BLUBBERING PIECES IN THE GAME HE MODDED
KUBLAI I CAN'T TELL IF HE'S JUST AN IDIOT OR SCUM
ELVIS KNITS STARTS THE WAGON ON ME AND MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARS TO LET KUBLAI / SLEEPLESS ASSASSIN DO HIS DIRTY WORK

In other words:
"DGB: null
Spyrex: null
Reckoner: OMGUS
KK: OMGUS
EK: OMGUS"

This is the best you can do? 2 null reads and 3 OMGUS.

[elvis_knits]

so kuribo, at what point do you start getting fucking reads? Of course page 5 reads aren't as good as page 50, but you gotta get there somehow, so you start fucking playing and picking on anything you think might mean something. You don't sit on your ASS.

Also, my point was not that you had null reads. My point was that people were all up in your piece to give reads, and finally you gave 5, 2 of which were null and 3 were omgus. Effectively: nothing. I'm assuming the other 20 people in the game are null reads too, but you didn't mention them. But for DGB and spyrex you listed them as a read but with a null conclusion. To make it look like you were doing something. Which you're not.

[elvis_knits]

kuribo sucks at quoting.

Also, I want a page number answer to this:

so kuribo, at what point do you start getting fucking reads?

[elvis_knits]

You weren't really scummy at all until then. You started using them more or less around the time your wagon took off. None of it has the rage I know and embrace. You used caps because you felt like it. So, if you weren't angry, ???

He's scared. Anger=/=Fear

[elvis_knits]

UNVOTE: xReckonerx

No need for that joke vote to sit where it is anymore.

Chunky is scum, Lowell is town.

Chunky is totes scum. Not sure about lowell.

[elvis_knits]

kuribo sucks at quoting.

Also, I want a page number answer to this:

so kuribo, at what point do you start getting fucking reads?

my phone fucks up urls in quotes for some reason.

and2e you kidding? It depends on the game

Take a ballpark guess.

[elvis_knits]

So when can we expect reads on the active posters, kuribu?

I'm trying to show you how BACK-ASS stupid it is to say you can't give reads. It's hard for everyone, that's not a reason not to try. It's an EXCUSE for why you aren't looking for scum.

[elvis_knits]

Probably self aligned, but still scum.

Explain

[elvis_knits]

SA is the lynch for today. I feel it in my bones.

The SDC supports this lynch.

Fuck SDC

Elvis, town isn't as focused on "winning" on Day 1. And the way he specifically said "I" before it. He has his own interests in mind which sounds self aligned to me.

Everybody talks in the first person, wtf. This is a horrible defense of why you would assume third party. Unless there is a VERy good reason to be thinking third party this early, this is very scummy.

It doesn't change the scumminess of SA's third party hunting.

Actually agree.

welp, I'm gonna go get my patients up for the day before EK, SA, and whoever else com and vomit "OMGUS, KURIBO!" idiocy all over the thread

I didn't mind your vote. Your paranoia is bad though.

Well lots of people have been useless up to this point, and thats entirely independant on the number or lengths of posts one has. This is a large game, you can't expect everyone to be leading the conversation, you end up even worst than the clusterfuck this thread has been so far.

I'm not for one second saying Goofball is the only person that has been useless so far but I've questioned her and yet to receive an answer from her, which is why I have asked again about the lack of substance to her reads as she has done it again. She has admitted to doing it but no reason why.

There are others I have questioned and haven't received a decent response from (if any) yet, and that certainly hasn't been forgotten.

I dislike chunky.

Anyway, I support SA lynch at this point.

Dislike his third party comments and failure to claim at L-1.

[elvis_knits]

I don't know why you assume that I would dislike your vote on SA though.

[elvis_knits]

I'm skimming everything else except that chunkwagon is go.

VOTE: chunkykev

[elvis_knits]

Hindo reads town to me.

I'd revote kuribo.

[elvis_knits]

My other game that was on deadline went to night, so I will have some time to sift through a little of this today.

For now, I will say that I noticed DGB had some suspicion on me. We've played together a lot. DGB knows enough to buddy me if she were scum, so I don't think she would have said that if she were scum. Also, her posting has been down in the other game we are in together, so the activity is similar.

[elvis_knits]

However, in the context of the game, don't mean to sound harsh, but that is no excuse. If you can't play the game you should be asked to be replaced. If you are playing the game then you must be held accountable for your play and I still expect reasons for your reads and votes - it would be wrong to treat you differently to anyone else. If you have reasons then share them and you must have reasons if you are town.

This is such bullshit. I hope I'm still voting you.

Most people in this game are throwing out unsupported reads. Most of the players here are gut players, and most of them are not explaining their reasons. Fixating on somebody who doesn't have the time to fight you off, instead of attacking someone who might eviscerate you, is cowardly and scummy.

[elvis_knits]

Pine directing the vig in 657.

=

SCUM

[elvis_knits]

Also have I said that Hindu is town.

I didn't actually follow the 5v1 thing, but I gather that it was form of male pissing contest thing. It doesn't concern me. Kuribo all up in arms over it does not surprise me either.

[elvis_knits]

What exactly are you proposing?

[elvis_knits]

Hindu, I still don't understand your plan, but I suspect that it's stupid.

zdenek, I didn't notice that fate directed the vig. That's also scummy.

[elvis_knits]

But you're also voting DGB. Why is DGB the worst?

[elvis_knits]

Everyone who just celebrated the fake vig death of chunkykev should be voting him.

[elvis_knits]

You say that like it's something bad.

[elvis_knits]

Maybe you don't realize this is like total deja vu to me. If DGB gets a wagon and I don't I don't think she's scum we are accused of being buddies. Then we're marginalized as either scum or two crazy chicks. I've danced that dance before. Bring it. I already have all my obnoxious gif pictures ready to repost.

[elvis_knits]

I already have all my obnoxious gif pictures ready to repost.

see, now this is the sort of initiative i can get behind

it starts with this

[elvis_knits]

Scummy stuff that happened in the last few pages:
-kev arguing that daykills are scummy
-fate arguing that dgb should claim at 5 votes, meanwhile didn't make SA claim when he was at L-1
-

reck self voting for a long time, and then crying about it

-kev arguing about his word usage regarding DGB, trying to weasel out of saying DGB has continued to ignore his q's
-SA OMGUS votes spyrex, coincidentally after reck votes spy and pine says he supports spy lynch
-pine says he supports spy lynch then goes medieval on socio's ass
-kev seeing a "slip"
-kev telling KK to stop acting like a noob

[elvis_knits]

It's like we're having a competition to see who can be the retard with the biggest balls.

We are not going 1v1 or 1v5 with anyone. Or at least I will not agree to this bullshit.

Reck is being all kinds of stupid but I don't think he's scum.

[elvis_knits]

First of all, can people shut up about 1v.1 or 1v.5, and can people shut up about meta. Meta is secondary, not primary. As unfocused as we are, talking meta at this point is a fucking black hole.

Scum:
Chunky - DGB attacks majorly flawed and inconsistent. Also his early unvote without laying down another vote is a scumtell for me.
SA - Third party hunting. OMGUS voting. Under pressure he started producing, then has been a disappointment. Never claimed at L-1, I feel like we let this get away.
Pine - vig directing, jumps on every minor and major wagon, as far as I can tell.
Fate - I usually agree with him more, and this game I just don't get him. As amorphous as that sounds.

Neutral:
grimjow
socio
Kuribo - is growing on me.
Zdenek

I have little to no memory of these people in this game:
lowell
My Milked Eek
Rhinox
Seraphim
shattered viewpoint

Lean town
Elli
springlullaby
SpyreX
xRECKONERx


Town
DGB
Hindu
KK
elvis_knits

[elvis_knits]

Okay let's go SA

VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

[elvis_knits]

So why did Pine motivate spyrex and then vote him when he found out spyrex is a vig.

Also rhinox's "I don't think he's scum but vote SA" was fucking scummy.

VOTE: Rhinox

[elvis_knits]

So why did Pine motivate spyrex and then vote him when he found out spyrex is a vig.

Also rhinox's "I don't think he's scum but vote SA" was fucking scummy.

VOTE: Rhinox

Did you read my last post of the day yesterday? Because I don't have anything to say about it other than that.

I read it. Does nothing for me. Being part of a lynch you don't believe in is scummy, explaining is away with a lot of BS doesn't really help.

[elvis_knits]

This is the BS I was talking about:

My position on SA hasn't really changed. I don't see scum intent in his posts, but I don't see anything that says townie either. I think its easy to pick apart what he's saying and call it scum. He could be scum, he's a good lynch for progress, I just don't expect he's actually going to flip scum. If ppl want to call that OMGFENCESITTING or whatever then fine I guess thats what it is, but reads aren't always black and white.

Specifically this part:

I just don't expect he's actually going to flip scum.

I just don't expect he's actually going to flip scum.

I just don't expect he's actually going to flip scum.

[elvis_knits]

No, scum say the sort of thing you said so that when he flips town you can go "see I was right, that lynch wasn't my fault since I didn't even think he was scum and only went along with you dumbasses to make progress in the game etc." There is total scum motivation to say what you said.

Besides, there is no TOWN motivation to vote for someone you don't think is scum.

[elvis_knits]

No, scum say the sort of thing you said so that when he flips town you can go "see I was right, that lynch wasn't my fault since I didn't even think he was scum and only went along with you dumbasses to make progress in the game etc." There is total scum motivation to say what you said.

Except thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm happy for the SA lynch and I feel it progressed the game. I'm glad I was a part of it. You're making up things I never said. Your scum motivation just isn't there.

Can you link me to a past game where you saw scum say what you're accusing me of?

I'm sure I could find you some, but I'm not sure I want to go to the trouble since it should be self-evident. My most recent example is ongoing.

Besides, there is no TOWN motivation to vote for someone you don't think is scum.

I'll keep this in mind the next time my vote is needed to secure a deadline lynch.

YET THIS WASN'T A DEADLINE LYNCH SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING HERE.

You bringing up deadline lynches is like this:

Me: "Rhinox stole my car."
Rhinox: "So stealing cars is bad? I'll keep that in mind next time my wife is dying and I need to drive her to the hospital and your car is the only one around!"
Me: "There are plenty of cars around, your wife isn't dying, and hey, actually you don't have a wife."

[elvis_knits]

I will be VLA for the next 36 hours, but will be able to check in tomorrow night.

[elvis_knits]

I can probably do a bit better than this tomorrow, but for right now, I'm not a fan of derailing the Rhinox wagon with SL wagon.

Rhinox being L-2 is not a good time for hoppster to go "Rhinox seems scummy but how about my SL case." IT's one thing if you don't think rhinox is scum, but to soft support the rhinox case WHILE you derail it is scummy.

Then Kuribo explains to katsuki how scummy rhinox is and switches to SL wagon in the same page.

Then Zdenek posts a shitty analysis of two wagons (SA and Rhinox) and uses thta as an excuse to get on the SL wagon. (One reason this analysis is so fail is that you have to assume rhinox is town for it to make sense).

KK then votes SL. But I like KK, so this is okay I guess.

I also like Katsuki, despite feeling like I shouldn't.

I didn't like Seraphim voting DGB without explanation. Although everyone's been doing that, it rubbed me wrong since he replaced in and I have no memory of him in this game or who he replaced.

Also, I have two reasons I don't like this SL wagon. 1)Started when Rhinox was L-2 with a "rhinox is scum but let's wagon SL" and 2)I like most of her votes even if content is low.

[elvis_knits]

2 Day Extension:

(expired on 2011-11-09 14:29:43)

Still got a couple days before I'm ripping out my organs.

Rhinox (3): Elvis_knits, Fate, SpyreX

These people are benig lazy and should think about doing something useful with their votes.

SL is now at L-2. I'm back to full access.

I won't believe you rip out your organs until you do it.

[elvis_knits]

>__>

I'm not scum.

Why the fuck would FatetownCop investigate Hoppster of all people?

Please don't quickhammer me until everybody has posted

(ie. give people a chance to CC Fate).



Not going to bother with a final list of reads because nobody will bother to look at it once I'm dead and springlullaby not being scum makes me think I'm probably wrong on most of my reads.

Pine does need to die at some point though, don't forget about that.


VOTE: Fate

Not bothering to give reads gives me the mad mojo vibes.

But I wanna hear why DGB thinks Fate is lying. She may just be lolling again.

[elvis_knits]

Pine: Are you confident enough that I'm scum that you are willing to sacrifice yourself tomorrow in the event that I flip town?

More bad mojo.

[elvis_knits]

Bad mojo means that hoppster's reaction to having a guilty claimed on him is fucking scummy.

Townies leave their thoughts and suspicions to try to help. Scum don't because it could leave ties to teammates.

Hoppster asking Pine to sacrifice himself doesn't make sense and is manipulative.

[elvis_knits]

Also, he shows not signs of claiming despite being close to lynch and having a guilty claimed on him.

He's like "don't quick hammer me." But doesn't provide a claim.

Because fake claims are hard to come up with on the spot.

[elvis_knits]

What's the difference between bad mojo and bad juju?

Mojo is more Austin Powers.

[elvis_knits]

Claimed guilty and no claim = VT claim...

It's not like flavour is going to make the difference between town listening to me or Fate.

It is like you are flailing wildly for reasons to justify your stance when actually there is a claimed guilty and town wouldn't feel so incredibly compelled to overjustify their stance on me.


P-Edit: This was to e_k

Are you saying that you're caught scum and I shouldn't bother to try to analyze anything?

[elvis_knits]

Claimed guilty and no claim = VT claim...

It's not like flavour is going to make the difference between town listening to me or Fate.

It is like you are flailing wildly for reasons to justify your stance when actually there is a claimed guilty and town wouldn't feel so incredibly compelled to overjustify their stance on me.


P-Edit: This was to e_k

Are you saying that you're caught scum and I shouldn't bother to try to analyze anything?

No, I'm just confused (and mildly amused) by your wild and panicked flailing to paint me as scummy when there is no need to flail anyway since Fate has faked a guilty on me.

oh well

(I'm currently entertaining the thought that your clumsiness today is because Fate 'forgot' to tell you he was going to fake a guilty on me last night in the scum QT)

PLEASE MAKE SURE ELVIS DIES AT SOME POINT

ALSO PINE

(and Fate obv)

lol

Your focus on me and attempt to paint me as panicked and flailing for trying to evaluate the claim and your reaction is the thing that is scummy.

[elvis_knits]

VOTE: reckoner

[elvis_knits]

DGB, what is going on?

[elvis_knits]

so I almost forgot I was in this game, and not sure how long it's been since I posted. I started a new job a week and a half ago and have hardly been sleeping, let along doing anything else. I'll take a look in here.

[elvis_knits]

Skimming the last few pages I see that my name is coming up...

Why?

Can someone tell me what is going on because I don't have the brain cells left to read right now.

[elvis_knits]

hmmm. Okay. I really don't know enough to comment right now, and I'm sure it's easy to read, but my brain seriously hurts from lack of sleep and staring at computer screens 20 hours a day. I'll look tomorrow. Any comprehension or reaction that I have now will almost assuredly be retarded.

[elvis_knits]

Hey so did nobody else see this shit?

VOTE: reckoner

cmon DGB
let's go

I targeted him, found nothing incriminating.

Elvis is scum in the bag, though.

let's do this shit then

unvote vote elvis

Textbook OMGUS and approval-seeking from Reckoner.

[elvis_knits]

P.EDIT - elvis_knits hasn't been on the site in 2 days. Quit pushing your weak-lurker case on her.

It's not a lurker case, it's how she reacted in her last post.

I'm pretty sure my last post before you wrote this was me voting reckoner.

So...

What?

[elvis_knits]

why is it OMGUS

if it is OMGUS, why is OMGUS scummy (hint: it's not)

why is it approval seeking

if I was scum, why would I be seeking approval from DGB, it's not like she has sway over this game

OMGUS because you didn't express any suspicion of me before I voted you.

Which suggests your suspicion is fake.

Which is scummy.

Approval seeking is scummy because your actions should be based on what you think, not what support you can get from anybody else.

[elvis_knits]

whoa nelly

[elvis_knits]

Sorry for forcing you to claim for us, KK.

I am still thinking we should lynch reck.

[elvis_knits]

FUCK... Guys, my life is so screwed up right now with my new job. I'm so sorry, I am no help in this game. I'm trying to decide if I should ask for replacement or just get help from KK.

What do I do?

[elvis_knits]

Just hammer, elvis_knits. It's obvious that Seraphim is scum.

Okay.

VOTE: Seraphim