The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Amrun]

Feysal didn't even fess up to being sk. No way that claim is vig.


I hate to do this, but....

v/la for the weekend; sick

My eternal apologies for this game.

[Amrun]

I'm trying to get CSL to agree to just let me replace in as myself. It will be a lot easier that way. He's avoiding me or something, though, I guess.

And for the record, we flaked out of nothing. I don't know where that came from. We were modkilled in [redacted] because only one head was posting (take a wild guess which one it was).

So I've been in discussion on how I'm going to proceed with this game with Plum and CSL.

Not sure how Atomic Mafia was a lurkerhunt win at all, though, Ellibereth. Flash Mafia I'll give you, though.

I have my notes here... Working on this now.

[Amrun]

I'm sorry, but with my current workload/illness, 44 pages of content is a LOT and I'm struggling. I've been chipping a little bit each day.

I signed up as a hydra because I didn't have time...

[Amrun]

Now I'm not a monster nor a monster slayer but I thought that a hydra, not just having teeth, had multiple heads with multiple mouths that could make multiple words.

Why would one head sticking itself in the dirt trying to find china stop the other one?

It wouldn't, if I had anything to offer / time to read the thread.

I'm working on it, but it's taking longer than I'd hoped.

In the meantime, CSL is staying in and has promised me content! Yay!

[Amrun]

Lurker stance?

[Amrun]

They're notes up to page 5. :/ I guess I can post them if you want.

[Amrun]

okay my page 5 notes... Had to go back to my room to get them:

Kanye trying to lynch third party indiscriminately is a huge distraction and scummy.

peregrinev's entrance is really bad. Lots of shenanigans going on, and he just does some stupid rvs.

gandalf seems to be being open, so not interested in lynching him for now.

will o wisp gives me town vibes, also spyrex.

Magister Ludi towntowntown.

[Amrun]

Once again, I was promised hydra partner content days ago... Getting freaking ridiculous.

Why is the wagon going away from kanye? He's one of my very few scumreads.

VOTE: Kanye

MoS is fencesitting on MoI, but otherwise I see no problem.

[Amrun]

I'm guessing it's slain cruelly since that's what Chronopie's is.... but I did NOT kill Wraith.

Maybe Feysal also targetted Chrono n1? I'd have to check back because I don't remember.

My role pm doesn't tell me my kill flavor.


Yes, we're MASONS. What do you think mason means?

[Amrun]

Okay, I'll ask. Fair enough.

[Amrun]

Well, I disagree. I did not claim miller when I was converted and I think it is the right choice.

HOWEVER, obviously, I have not been playing this game properly. :/ I already feel pretty bad about it. There's nothing I can say there.

[Amrun]

Chronopie was lurking. I vigged him too, even if Feysal shot him too. I'm assuming from Furc's comment that he did.

In the past, I've found lurking to be a MAJOR scumtell for Chronopie, and Magister Ludi highly suspected him and I was letting him direct my shot because he would have a better perspective, being more present.

But I agreed, because lurkychrono is more often than not scrumchrono.

So while the outcome was unfortunate, I don't see the point of your comment. Good job being non-contributive, Furcolow. Why is Andrius scum?

I considered shooting you last night, but I wanted to hit scum rather than third party. Still, shooting the town doctor DID spook me a bit so I considered you and Feysal both for safe shots. But hitting scum is the real goal. I hit nothing, though, apparently.

[Amrun]

Why are you only saying this now? The doctor died n1.

[Amrun]

I never read that, Andrius, because I've only read bits and pieces of the game. In light of that only, I should have claimed it. But I told Ludi as soon as it happened, and though it was near the end of the night and we didn't get to discuss it fully before lock, the first thing he asked was how I knew it, and did not warn me to claim. I was hoping we would get more time, but I didn't get notified of the change until after my night action was processed (and interestingly enough, I got a "result" that told me Chrono's flip before the thread opened).

[Amrun]

Well it makes even less sense to me, so that makes 2 of us, I guess?

[Amrun]

a) Read more carefully. I am not asking about my mason status. I am asking about my kill flavor. I already know my mason status.

b) Chrono was the doctor, not the cop. I thought YOU were the town cop. lolwut

And though I HAVE been lurking, I have not been playing scumtastically. Lurking =/= scum. They are two different things that sometimes but not always coincide.


Faramina, can we PLEASE check to see MoI's real role name? I have been confirmed as Turin.

[Amrun]

Given Andy's previous post, and mine, the context is clear that we are talking about kill flavors. In any case, that's what I was talking about, and what I asked the mod about.

CSL lurks as anything, actually. I never lurk, scum or not. This is my first shame of this sort.

And of course I don't agree to self hammer as a freaking mason vig. I will never self hammer. I will, though, shoot you if we are not lynched and you do not die.

If we're both town, then we're both Turin. I don't think that's very likely, so I think you're scum. I've already been confirmed as Turin, so why do you act like a seraph calling you Turin should make me scum? But if we ARE both Turin, somehow, that would mean very interesting things for flavor. You don't seem interested in this at all. I am. It's weird how uninterested you are in the fact that we have both claimed Turin. The more I think about it, the more it seems scum have some need to have me lynched today - kind of like a Bookie, in Sexy Sedilla. You claimed Turin just to claim the main guy and put the highest stakes possible. Ugh. The whole situation is very weird.

I've already been confirmed as Turin. The seraphs have already decreed that Empking needs to do, and so he should.

[Amrun]

The more I think about it, the more it seems scum have some need to have me lynched today - kind of like a Bookie, in Sexy Sedilla. You claimed Turin just to claim the main guy and put the highest stakes possible. Ugh. The whole situation is very weird.

this doesnt make any sense. if scum absolutely need to have you lynched today, why would they provide a name claim that could be counterclaimed to wreck the wagon? moi had the credibility to lynch you just off the cop guilty while withholding his name. i dont think its unreasonable to suppose that scum moi would would fakeclaim a guilty on you, especially if scum knew you had been given the miller status, but i dont think its likely that he would have nameclaimed turin to do it.

It is really weird.

I'm reaching for explanations.

Besides this, I can only thing of one other, and that's that there is two Turins in the game. Thoughts on the meanings behind this?

[Amrun]

KKB didn't have any sort of "result" at all.

I will only be lynched today if the town is hideously stupid.

[Amrun]

Refusal to do what?

I'm confused.

My role pm says mason... That's all I need to know. That's all anyone needs to know. What other answer would Plum give than what is already in my role pm?

[Amrun]

I'm not refusing anything and I don't know why you think I am.

I was never even asked to ask Plum this. Andrius asked me to ask Plum about my kill flavor and I did.

I won't listen to requests from you because the seraphs say you're scum.

[Amrun]

Oh, nvm, Gut asked.

I'll ask Plum, though this is silly.

[Amrun]

Idk why csl informed me, but I know he is having bandwidth issues and may lose internet for awhile, so that's pprobably why.

We informed ludi of our millerhood IMMEDIATELY.

I am voting for empking because the seraphs have decreed it. If anyone was lying about what the seraphs said for so basic and blatant a thing, I think they'd let us know. More importantly, as long as I am not lynched, MoI supposedly dies. If he doesn't, he's definitely lying and I shoot him.

Lynching MoI wouild be almost as dumb as lynching me.

As for masons - MoI, I think your meta is outdated. I know this wasn't always so, but "masons" means alignment confirmed now.

I asked Plum, but she hasn't answered any questions so far.

[Amrun]

I already said, Dekes. I found out near the end of night 1.

[Amrun]

No daytalk btw.

[Amrun]

v/la until monday

[Amrun]

You again dodge the issue. Amrun said %u201CI%u2019m overwhelmed, I don%u2019t have time for this game as an individual%u201D. CSL is clearly not going to play the game. Thus Amrun knows to stay in she needs to devote attention as basically a single player to the game.If she was telling the truth %u2013 she%u2019d have either replaced out or not been joining new games as an individual as opposed to staying in this game while increasing her %u2018game load%u2019.

This is patently ridiculous.

You don't know my situation, and even if what you were saying was true, it wouldn't indicate scum motivation. It indicates the opposite, if anything, actually.

Yes, I've failed in this game because I haven't been able to contribute properly, but are you seriously suggesting that I'm employing lurking to the point of being a central focus to the game as a SCUM STRATEGY? That's laughable.

As it happens, though, CSL kept promising me content "tonight" or "tomorrow" and I kept using that as an excuse to put this game off. That's my personal problem. I joined two games since this one: one as a hydra and as a result of being begged with the agreement that I won't be doing much of anything, ESPECIALLY until I get going properly with this game, and one small open that I pre-/inned and really wanted to play that I actually regret joining due to my workload. It's clearly a null tell, and none of your business.

Calling me a lurker doesn't upset me; it's true. It's shameful, but true, in this case. Saying I'm doing this on purpose as some kind of backwards, stupid strategy is, quite honestly, beneath your intelligence, MoI.


To answer some other questions:

My role name does NOT have a surname. It is Turin with an accent over the u.

Plum declines to answer my inquiry about kill flavor, and did not comment on my question about mason; perhaps that means the explanations offered in thread are simply correct.

[Amrun]

This is a direct lie. One game you signed up for and started did not involve either a Hydra or a Pre-in.

And which game was that? I may have forgotten one in the timeline of things. I don't really care. The point is that it's completely irrelevant to this game.

[Amrun]

@Amrun: were you told that chronopie was Beleg when you were told that you had become a miller, or did you only find out when you read it in the thread?

I was never told that Chrono was Beleg. I was told that I had successfully killed Chrono who was aligned with town.

Then, in the same results PM, but in different font, I was told I had become a miller.


Originally, when I reported this to Ludi, I was like, "omg killing chrono made me a miller!" and then I rethought and said I didn't know whether or not they were related, but that I had killed Chrono and that I was a miller. They might be related and they might not. "Night 1 Results" is vague enough that I do not know.

[Amrun]

YOU CAN'T VIG SOMEONE IF YOU LYNCH THE VIG

HERPAFUCKINGDERP

[Amrun]

I am.

Who do you think is vig, then - Feysal?

Who killed Chrono?

Don't be stupid.

[Amrun]

I have every reason to think Ludi is town.

I took input on the shots, but I chose chrono because his play fit the scum meta I had of him as well AND Ludi had a corresponding scumread on you.

I did not vig you because you seemed likely to be lynched. It's not always best to shoot your top scumread - for example, in the last game we played where I was a very succesful vig, I shot the scum LEAST LIKELY to be lynched (SpyreX). That's universally the better way to vig.

[Amrun]

Interesting theory, Feysal, but my role PM says that my partner is Nienor. I guess it could be lying.

I agree Espeonage is a suspicious character, but I think we should follow the seraph advice.

[Amrun]

Mine is the same as Ludi's - reasonably sure he's the same alignment. I think Ludi is town so it's a distraction to get caught up in this. "Mason, reasonably sure he's the same alignment" is pretty freaking good when combined with actual actions that indicate town.

Let me be clear - I did offer up A LOT MORE CONTROL than I normally would have because of my level of having-not-read-the-game. However, I still did not choose a kill that I disagreed with. Magister suggested several kills that would be good, with his reasons why, and I checked them out through ISO and decided Chrono was fitting his scum meta. It helped me narrow the field a LOT; it gave Ludi a lot more control over the kill than I might have given otherwise.

Also, MoI, it's pretty clear that Chrono wasn't the scumkill, but whatever. Keep your head shoved up your arse if you please.

[Amrun]

Oh, and the one who suggested there must be a vig was YOU, in the post that I responded to with that post.

[Amrun]

That's why I didn't want to ask the mod, and likely why the mod didn't answer at all, not even to acknowledge the question.

In hindsight, I should have just said that, but I didn't want to leave any trace of doubt when I didn't feel there was need for one.

[Amrun]

Thanks for clearing that "guilty" up, seraphs.

I

[Amrun]

Thanks for clearing that "guilty" up, seraphs.

I DO think empking's reaction was terrible. "I wasn't informed there was a guilty on me," he said. That's a scummy reaction.

I'm still down with lynching empking, but in light of this, probably the better choice is espeonage.

When I get back to my computer I will log in properly and change my vote.

p-edit: woops, submitted too early

[Amrun]

2) We're not namecops. Our PM confirmed that S&M is Turin and Ludi is Nienor.

AND YET DOESN'T MENTION MOI

HMMMM

[Amrun]

I didn't become a miller until night 1.

[Amrun]

S&M, did the millerization happen at the same time as the vig shot or because of the vig shot? Please clarify with the mod if you don't know this.

VOTE: S&M

Learn to read. jhc.

[Amrun]

Esp was one of my non-Guilty investigation scum reads

You have an innocent on the slot, or no? I'm confused.

[Amrun]

The wording was awkward. Just checking.


Not sure why the wagon has dissolved. Neighborizer claim means nothing.

[Amrun]

Already answered. a) When I was first asked, I was not at my computer, and it was too hard to check. b) I didn't want to cause unreasonable doubt for ooba/ML because he is soooo town.

And as for ludi's question, no, he did not.

[Amrun]

Oh and I guess I should clarify; I interpret this "masons" + "reasonably certain" to mean a typical mason with annoying wording because of bastardness. I still think it means nothing but masons.

And as I said previously, I didn't feel like asking Plum since she would just parrot back what it said anyway - or totally ignore it, as she did.

[Amrun]

I shot SpyeX. *pout*

[Amrun]

He avoided that Espeonage wagon like his life depended on it. He chose to focus on other things that should not have been focused on instead of lynching scum. And if he WAS scum, he'd be hard to lynch.

I thought about/discussed several options but that's what I landed on.

[Amrun]

scum. And if he WAS scum, he'd be hard to lynch.I thought about/discussed several options but that's what I landed on.

Ludi wanted me to shoot will-o-wisp, but I didn't think scum would lurk out of a partner's wagon like that.

Also considered Ellibereth and Empking.

[Amrun]

The flip makes kanye look a lot better, mjay. It also basically clears MoS in my opinion.

[Amrun]

Don't see why you can't discuss everything here, Regfan.

Also I hadn't said it yet, but just to be clear.

MoI is definitely not scum, after that flip. Kthxbye.

[Amrun]

1) We have to have a MINIMUM of 3 scum left alive ... but considering how many people are left, not lylo yet.
2) Definitely with. We apparently have two town Turins, so why the fuck not claim names...
3) Yes, and just the way it came about. It seemed organic. Not like a bus.

[Amrun]

Oh, also, I should mention that I had another looksee at my role pm and realized I definitely became a miller due to shooting Chronopie.

And I'm not sure if I mentioned this but I'll do it again just in case: I'm compulsive.

[Amrun]

You seriously think there are 6 mafia... lol

[Amrun]

Well I shot scum so.

Whatever.

Read the game and then tell me what you think.

[Amrun]

I guess MoI is also another Turin, though. There's that.

[Amrun]

Do you know how many scum there are, Furcolow?

[Amrun]

What's your guess?

[Amrun]

catch up tomorrow, sorry

[Amrun]

@Amrun and Magister %u2013 please discuss your thoughts on lynching Feysal today to strategically cut down on the number of deaths at Night and to assure at least one of Amrun / myself gets to Day 5

While I instinctively rebel against this because my instinct is to lynch scum, I think the time may have come.

Feysal resists instructions and is not playing in a pro-town manner and must be eliminated at some point.

If you think it would be better, I'll shoot him tonight, but the possibility of him being bp is there.

Also considering shooting and/or lynching: Furcolow, for playing pro-scum; Andrius, for being scummy; Elli/Nacho for being scummy

[Amrun]

1. True. And as I think we are both town, this is a concern.

2. MoS I think is town. Mockingjaye I am null on currently but looking at him in ISO etc is on my "to-do-list" along with reading the recent wallfest.

[Amrun]

NO IT DOESN'T

FAIL, FEYSAL

[Amrun]

aw i wanted nacho to be scum but he isn't

[Amrun]

oh and also andrius for vigging.

[Amrun]

@Amrun %u2013 please narrow down you Vig list to 3 names please. In the case I do get back my Cop latent I don%u2019t want to duplicate efforts and possible waste the one good shot we have at a final use of dual abilities before one of us bites it.

will do by the end of the day

[Amrun]

Yeah, I was in that game. He was skeevy, and though that particular thing helped get me off his back until I died,

he was skeevy

. His play is very different here.

[Amrun]

What was this in relation to? (In particular, which flip?)

In relation to the Espeonage clip, clearly. I think it was clear in context but you probably read this in iso.

[Amrun]

I'm behind; sorry. Early turkey day with the in-laws right now, so I will either get to this later tonight or tomorrow night. Apologies. Hols are busy.

[Amrun]

Vigpool Furc, nacho, Andy

[Amrun]

I shot scumand he even died this time!

I'm

v/la until Monday

, though.

[Amrun]

Tbh, Ludi didn't support the Andrius shot, but not in a strong way. He just wanted me to shoot mjay or nacho over Andrius, but didn't make cases or anything. He wasn't like OMG DON'T SHOOT ANDRIUS!

[Amrun]

I still have a townread on MoS, so I'd like a bullet-point list of his scumminess (and nacho's, for that matter).

[Amrun]

ESPEONAGE.
PLAY THE GAME.
IF WE BECOME LOVERS AND YOU LURK ILL LEAVE YOU FOR MJAYE.

There's lots of stuff like this in Andy's ISO. LOTS of buddying/defending mjay and it's seriously weirding me out. He gives mjay town reads out of NOWHERE, just like he did for Espeonage (and, will-o-wisp, though he called WoW scum later and thus retracted it as he never did for mjay).

TOWNIER THAN TURIN
2. Magister Ludi
6. Ellibereth
7. Mastermind of Sin
10. mockingjaye
11. Furcolow
12. Gut (Cogito Ergo Sum + chamber hydra)
17. Espeonage
20. MagnaofIllusion
21. Will-o-wisp (Oversoul + Mist Beauty hydra)


CALCIFER
1. Andrius
5. gandalf5166

SCUMMIER THAN SAURON:
14. SpyreX
15. Katsuki
16. kanyeknowsbest

NOT AS SCUMMY AS THEM:
18. Empking
22. LordChronos


POST MOAR PLZ/NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO
3. Sun and Moon (CSL + Amrun hydra)
4. Chronopie
8. Dekes
9. PeregrineV
13. Wraith
19. VitaminR

This is the extent of everything he says about Dekes, reads-wise, but he addresses Dekes in-game A LOT.

1. Andrius <--- U. N. OWEN.
2. ooba <--- Town Mason [?] bastard so eeehhhh but i liked ooba's play and ludi. if one is scum its amrun but masons so prob. both town i guess
3. Sun and Moon <--- more likely scum mason than magisterooba.
6. Ellibereth <--- elli_scum. sorry nachobaby.
7. Mastermind of Sin <--- metascum
8. Dekes <--- is this regfan? dekes was also lurkylurkscum
10. mockingjaye <--- reallybusytown
11. Furcolow <--- survivor (lol)
12. Gut <--- town via seraph
15. Feysal <--- SK
16. kanyeknowsbest <--- will have to reread
18. Empking <--- prob.town lets be honest here role confirmation. unless he's scum with me or gandalf but gandalf is deadtown and me well being unknown so
20. MagnaofIllusion <--- obvtown. long live magna
22. Herodotus <--- will have to reread

But this switch on the Dekes/regfan slot without saying anything else makes me feel a little bit better about it.

Overall, I feel worst about mjay from this flip. Can someone detail why they thought the flip made mjay townier?

[Amrun]

I re-read overnight and as much as I'd hate to say it Mockingjaye is probably town, all other of my thoughts can wait until MoS responds if he ever does.

Herrodotus, I'd like for you to point out specific examples that makes you think that.

This was the post I was thinking of.

MoI: So you think I can somehow still be scum even though I've shot scum twice?

[Amrun]

Because you're not unequivocal about my alignment, in your own words.

[Amrun]

The obvious solution is to lynch someone else and have MoS watch me tonight.

[Amrun]

How so?

[Amrun]

I was purposefully ignoring MoI's thing, which he will reveal when he wants to / it is prudent.

If MoS is town, the mafia will probably kill him, alleviating the issue altogether. If MoS is scum and I die... well, there are very few scenarios in which scum would elect to kill me in that situation, I think. And probably we'd just lynch MoS anyway in all cases.

[Amrun]

The one game I was hoping to sacrifice to the tigers. >.>