For voting for a ginger. It's on, mofo.
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"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 70, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: xRECKx
No more gingers. If I were superficial, I would have dated nothing but gingers and given birth to the spawn of gingers. Stop tempting me.
Awww, I tempt you?
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I can never read you effectively, but that vote on Reck looks more like the subconscious RVS vote-hopping I associate with pulling scum."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 80, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 79, Hinduragi wrote:I love well thought out cases.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
But often the most telling. I notice you dodging the implicit question...so I'll make it explicitly stated. Why is kuribo the most scummy? I almost jumped on kuribo for fluffy posting, too, but fluffy posting is only an actual problem if it is in lieu of content or distracting other players. Kuribo is posting in volume, and meets neither of the aforementioned requirements to be considered bad fluff.
So again, what's your case on kuribo?
In post 87, kuribo wrote:bro, there ain't a fire hot enough to kill me
Except my hair. (Look out! KK might wag his finger disapprovingly at me for having fun at the same time as I take the game seriously!)"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 95, Fate wrote:
THIS FUCKING SHIT ALREADY?
ANYWAY IT SURE AS FUCK ISNT SOCIO
AND IT DAMN WELL ISNT SPYREX
VOTE: KUBLAI KHAN
In post 99, Fate wrote:mehhh KK might be town but he sure is as hell is wrong about Kuribo.
PE: Hinduragi can be Town. We've only played a few games together, but I'm getting a Town vibe based on that.
Vote: Sleepless Assasin
Cognitive dissonance? KK didn't post at all between "Vote: KK" and "KK might be Town".
I hesitate to commit further to that because, well, Fate's reputation precedes him, and I've never played with him before. I'm torn between staying on KK myself, jumping on the quite-convincing Sleepless Assassin wagon, and taking another look at kuribo...the whole "Funnyandcontent" thing kind of died when the dick-measuring contest started.
In post 109, Zdenek wrote:Pine ia annoying me so he's probably town.
I lol'd. Actually, this whole thread so far is hilarious"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 209, elvis_knits wrote:Pine defended kuribo. Don't think I didn't notice, pine.
I defended my own reasons for not finding kuribo especially scummy. There's actually a subtle but substantive difference there. Though were I so inclined to defend him, his actions and spam are becoming increasingly indefensible as he adds more and more fluff and off-topic banter without introducing a balancing (read: greater) amount of genuine content."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 248, kuribo wrote:In [url=240 [/url], elvis_knits wrote:In [url= 236[/url], Hinduragi wrote:You weren't really scummy at all until then. You started using them more or less around the time your wagon took off. None of it has the rage I know and embrace. You used caps because you felt like it. So, if you weren't angry, ???
He's scared. Anger=/=Fear
no, dude, the only thing I fear in this game is rubbing my nipples too hard when I lynch scum
You really need to stop posting like this. It's unproductive and the endless postcount-inflation is making the act of catching up seem daunting to those who aren't current, Grimmjow being a good example of someone who goes "Oh shit, eight pages". This deprives us of their input and adds nothing to the game."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 320, Fate wrote:Holy fuck DGB is scum isn't she?
Yep. I think this is the first time I've ever had a solid read on her.
In post 348, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Fate, I actually love being scum. I drew town for this game though.
Kuribo, I answered his question. What's the problem?
Chunk, my bad. Forgot I voted reck to make sure he noticed my question.
Guys, hindu is now scum for dropping the "I'm gonna win" tell. Probably self aligned, but still scum.
Lol. Going out of the way to call himself Town AND D1 Third-Party hunting in the same post. SLAM DUNK ON SCUM RIGHT HERE.
In post 377, xRECKONERx wrote:SA is the lynch for today. I feel it in my bones.
The SDC supports this lynch.
I concur.
PFA also supports this lynch."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 388, Hinduragi wrote:Then why aren't you voting SA?
Seriously?
I support two lynches. One of them is at L-2. I'm not ready to be within quickhammering range this early into D1 with so many testosterone-enhanced players. There's more work we can do today, before we strong SA up."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 393, Hinduragi wrote:Yes, seriously. You haven't done ANYTHING in this game, and now you suddenly think SA is scum out of nowhere. You aren't pushing your one-vote bandwagon, either. I'd like to hear more from you.
In post 184, Pine wrote:In post 95, Fate wrote:
THIS FUCKING SHIT ALREADY?
ANYWAY IT SURE AS FUCK ISNT SOCIO
AND IT DAMN WELL ISNT SPYREX
VOTE: KUBLAI KHAN
In post 99, Fate wrote:mehhh KK might be town but he sure is as hell is wrong about Kuribo.
PE: Hinduragi can be Town. We've only played a few games together, but I'm getting a Town vibe based on that.
Vote: Sleepless Assasin
Cognitive dissonance? KK didn't post at all between "Vote: KK" and "KK might be Town".
I hesitate to commit further to that because, well, Fate's reputation precedes him, and I've never played with him before. I'm torn between staying on KK myself, jumping on the quite-convincing Sleepless Assassin wagon, and taking another look at kuribo...the whole "Funnyandcontent" thing kind of died when the dick-measuring contest started.
In post 109, Zdenek wrote:Pine ia annoying me so he's probably town.
I lol'd. Actually, this whole thread so far is hilarious
My agreement regarding Sleepless Assassin ishardlyout of nowhere.
Having done little in this game is a fair criticism, but this thread is going at a truly ridiculous rate (17 pages already and not slowing down,) so one needs to either commit to keeping up that dumbass pace (like you have) or just try to keep up and hope that it calms down some time soon and assumes a normal pace. I'm posting at a little less than my ordinary rate.
However, positing that I've donenothingisnota fair criticism. I've expressed suspicion of, at various points, DGB, Fate, SA, kuribo, and KK, complete with sound reasons for all of them (though granted, not full cases). I've dedicated a number of my other posts to trying to cut through the bullshit in this thread and help make it manageable for the majority of us who have a life (that "coaching" bit you or someone else accused me of earlier. Check my scum meta, he'd be on his own by now. I abandon useless scummates as readily as I help those who will be useful.)
Just because my post count is low compared to your prolific one-liners does not mean you get to cut me out of the conversation with a dismissive "but you haven't done anything comment."
That said, you're still probably Town, so contribute to the solution, not the problem. Reduce the bullshit."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 405, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Pine, if you see a self aligned tell, as town, do you seriously just ignore it? I didn't vote the guy for a reason. I'd rather lynch mafia than self-aligned scum.
There was no self-aligned tell. Hindu was saying he'd win the 5v1 thing, not that he'd survive to endgame and win the whole thing for himself. You manufactured the self-aligned tell out of jack because you're desperately looking for a Serial Killer."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Was about to contradict the Survivor speculation, but then I remembered we were in the Theme Park (I mostly play large Normals). Good to remember, we could be dealing with all kinds of crazy shit roles.
PE: Spyrex, care to actually express an opinion? Do you agree or disagree with SA's alleged self-aligned tell, do you agree with my calling him out for fabricating it, and do you find such preoccupation with third parties on D1 to be as scummy as I do? Note that all three of these questions are mutually exclusive, though related."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This is today's lynch. DGB isn't going anywhere, and has been staying extremely quiet to stay under the radar, she can wait.
PE: Hrm, wasn't concerned by putting him to L-2, but I'm confident enough in it that L-1 isn't a problem either.
Claim time, SA."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Between the first and second, I changed my mind. Real people do that.
The cause for the change is that the initial activity of this thread has majorly slowed down, and it's not as productive anymore. A lot of D1s fall apart towards the end with hesitancy to lynch., and I've decided not to be a contributing factor to that phenomenon in this game when we have a very good lynch candidate that most people agree on, or at least have commented on. D2 can start with a bang as we go back and analyze peoples' actions in light of SA's flip."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 467, SpyreX wrote:Dude you lazy jerks go really reread that wall of nothing.
Its a giant play by play.
Ding! It's mostly IIOA. There issomeanalysis to it, but very little that is original. The analysis of motives never goes out on a limb, and is just the seasoning that makes a wall of shit palatable.
Despite disagreeing with Reck about SA, and agreeing with Spyrex about the same, Reck's case on Spy is fairly convincing.
I was going to take my vote off of SA pending the completion of his list, but it seems that people are jumping ship on his wagon like fleeing rats, so it'll stay. And when SA flips scum, I'll be going after those who jumped off at the first excuse.
SA, DGB, and Spyrex are maybe half the scumteam. Not sure who else yet.
I'm guessing 15 to 6, by the way. Maybe 16 to 5.
PE: DGB wagon is good, but I'd rather we stayed on target and squeeze some more out of SA before it's totally abandoned."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Check page 6 of the "Basic Scum Tactics" chapter in your scum manual. You got it with your role PM. I'll lay it out here, though. Scum are wise to jump on a buddy's lynch when it appears inevitable. Incautious scum will jump off at the first excuse or whenever it seems like the wagon is slowing down.In post 594, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Pine, your logic makes no sense. Why would scum push a buddy to L-1 and only jump off when a big post comes up. It's all either scum who jumped on the easy lynch and jumped off when it didn't look as easy anymore or town whose opinion changed or was lessened.
The other thing is how does your reasoning lead to DGB and Spy being scum?
Interestingly enough, my reasons for them have nothing to do with you. Imagine that.
Oh, and I've explained both."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 638, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 634, Fate wrote:No acknowledgement of how your scumass is getting run up?
Here's what.
My husband threatened to leave me, said he'd been miserable for 26 years and there was nothing I could do to change his mind. I ran to find a job because I was going to have to make ends meet more solidly than with my web income alone.
I am now spending my days lining up lightbulbs and climbing giant ladders to move merchandise at a hardware store, for minimum wage. At 46. With a Master's degree in Molecular Biology.
He's back, but I'm not taking any chances.
So.
I'm sorry if I'm not in the mood for long winded cases.
You're getting what I can give.
If that's not good enough, lynch me.
I'm very sorry to hear about this, and I can empathize with some parts of it, particularly the profound underemployment. You have my heartfelt deepest sympathies.
In post 651, SpyreX wrote:Not to be that guy and maybe its more heartstrings but I absolutely can't see DGB-scum just laying that on the table like that.
DGB-Town and DGB-Scum have exactly the same reasons for laying it out like that - it's true, and that's the overriding focus in her life right now. Don't cheapen it by considering it strategically, it wasn't meant as such. No one who's gone through something like that is crass enough to use it for strategic gain, and I don't find DGB even remotely heartless enough to make it up for game profit. Shame on you for trying to use your buddy's personal life for your team's advantage.
Use what you've got in-game, and only that. As much as I empathize with her, I saw DGB-scum early. With the SA wagon falling apart, I'm willing to switch over and let SA survive until D2 (though a vigging would be quite welcome).
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Sorry, DGB."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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^This post represents the first solid scum vibe I've gotten from Reck this game. At least, I think it's the first...we're in a lot of games together, I may be getting my games crossed. Either way, that's a solidly overconfident-scum post."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 749, kuribo wrote:In post 746, chunkykev wrote:For those that commented (Reck, Kuribo), I'm curious to know if you were happy for me to be killed as you believe I am scum, or you were happy for a daykill to move the game on (a genuine day kill of me would have had a good chance of Hindu being lynched).
actually a genuine daykill of you had a good chance of confirming Hindu as town, but thanks for playing
This is a good point, though kuribo doesn't take the point far enough. The original quote (now that I view it in isolation) screams "desperate last flailings of scum." An actual daykill would indeed have confirmed Hindu as Town, which every Townie here was likely thinking already. To say the above, I'm confident that chunkykev was trying everything in his playbook to take Hindu down with him. Town in that situation would instead have recognized what we all did, that scum daykiller is uber overpowered and therefore a true daykill confirms Hindu. At which point, he would have either started cussing Hindu out for being derpTown and/or started preparing his final will and testament in the thread, before mod shut him up.
I can support a chunkykev lynch based on this. I think it's the worst scumslip in the thread, and am disappointed in myself for missing it at first.
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In post 804, kuribo wrote:but those posts are like Chinese food, they're there, you can eat them, but they're not very filling
Ironic post is ironic.
I can support a Spyrex lynch. Not my #1 choice, but in my top three."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 814, SocioPath wrote:Now that scum daytalk has ended, I think we should lynch Seraphim.
Massive scum ping here. I've always considered a desire to get rid of replacements to be scummy, but usually they're able to justify it based on replacing-in posts or the predecessor's play. Malthusis didn't post since RVS, and all Seraphim has said is hello. There is no possible Town motivation for the quoted post. Scum, on the other hand, fear (or ought to fear) replacements, as replacements can bring new insight and perspectives to a game that has already settled, with confirmation bias of varying degrees taking hold in everyone (especially those who protest themselves immune to its influence.) Replacements don't have preconceived notions or reads, and are thus unburdened by them when reading recent posts. Replacements can really ruin a scum's day, especially when the scum isn't really suspected, as Sociopath isn't right now.
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Everything else can wait, I'm shaking this tree, and will be ISOing Socio in the morning."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Why, Reck? Aside from him being in your little club?
Oh, and instead of just being blinded by your confirmation bias (see 815), could you at least evaluate the new evidence being presented, instead of dismissing it out of hand? Kthx."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Many do, and all scum really ought to, for everything I said in 815. Replacements are a serious threat to scum that are succeeding in flying below the radar.
That aside, Sociopath has no other legit reason for going after Seraphim, and therefore his vote deserves suspicion on that merit alone."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 828, Fate wrote:Kuribo, obv scum fearcompetentreplacements, think about what YOU said earlier. How much better you are at finding scum when you replace into a game. Scum have their whole little magical world set-up, then someone replaces in and shits all over it. Course this is all moot because calling Sociopath scum over this is TROLOLOLOLPINETOWN.
The bolded is an excellent point. Shame they're in short supply.
Fate, wagon Socio with me?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 839, Kublai Khan wrote:* Pine's vote for SocioPath was horrible and opportunistic.
* Conversely, SocioPath is being stupid and useless.
These points do not work together. Either Socio is being stupid and useless, and is therefore reasonable to suspect, or my vote washorrible and opportunisticNo. I demand you explain what is opportunistic about voting for someone that no one has expressed significant suspicion of, and what is horrible about voting for someone who has done something that I find to be scummy (and is in accordance with an opinion I have given in many games, both as Town and as scum. Jumping on replacements is scummy. Period.)
You've been borderline all game, KK. You can't just make statements like that and expect them to hold any weight unless you back them up."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@KK: It's not "after 34 pages". Sociopath has made 33 posts, most of which were one-liners. I've been having a hard time reading him, and this is the first thing I can recall that's really given me a strong impression in either direction. I honestlydon'tthink he's been manipulating Town "this whole time" I think he's done his best to lay low and not really be noticed. Successfully, I might add.
And I don't think he has "a different theory" than I do, I think his ACTIONS are scummy. This is theory-in-practice, not theory-in-discussion. Socio jumped on a replacement because of a scummy agenda, not to prove a point about how his theory of replacements is different than mine. Further, not one thing you just said explains "opportunistic". There was NO opportunity presented by Socio's actions, no one else is on him. This is a new theory from a new direction, of my own volition and no one else's. I had no reason to believe anyone else would react the same way I did except by the force of my argument's merits. If someone ELSE had made the points I did, and I tagged my vote on with a tacky one-liner of agreement, THAT would be opportunism. Update your dictionary, or stop using buzzwords you don't know how to use."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 952, My Milked Eek wrote:Apologies, work requires my full attention one more day. Something came up.
Any mre than that and we'll start docking your pay."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 994, xRECKONERx wrote:Oh we're back to this okay
Lynch me, SpyreX dies when I'm dead, no questions asked
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I do not support this product and/or service, as Reck is Town.
Lynch Spyrex instead, and when he flips scum we can have you all apologize to Reck.
Except DGB, she can flail a bit more before we lynch her next. It seems like the scummier quadrant of this thread are rallying to any wagon that isn't on them or one of their buddies. See the Grimmjow wagon, then the Reck wagon. Counterwagons ahoooooooy!
(PE: I'm not sold on KK being in the aforementioned scummier quadrant, I think he's just having an off-game, as I disagree with like 90% of his reads so far despite his thought processes looking Townie.)"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1005, Kublai Khan wrote:Do me a favor then. Explain your xRECKONERx town-read.
Iunno. Lots and lots of little things. A lot of gut. It's strong but I have a hard time explaining why. Perhaps some positive confirmation bias thrown in there, I'm as prone to it as anyone."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1029, Grimmjow wrote:(sex?)
...Details?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Vote: Sleepless Assassin
On the off-chance Spy is Town, all the softclaiming he's been doing is going to result in one of three things if left alive. First, he is what he's trying not to say he is, and scum kill him for it. Probably N1. Second, he is what he's trying not to say he is, and scum leaves him alive for WIFOM and he gets a night or two of results, protects, kills, whatevers in before he is taken down by either us or them and his results or whatever become known and confirmed by his flip. Third, he's scum and we kill him anyway a day or two down the road and confirm his reads, claimed results, or whatever as scum-motivated, and that gives us plenty of associations to work with. The 1v1 with Reck will fit into there somewhere too.
The first is Town-neutral, the second and third are Town-beneficial at best and neutral at worst. Given the remaining options for today's lynch, I'll support lynches on SA, kev, or DGB. I find the Grimmjow/Reck lynches to most likely be counter-wagons against someone I feel is probably scum, so I won't support them right now. If I'm wrong about Spy, and he's Town, then I'll give them another look."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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There's no dissonance with [REDACTED], I've been looking in vain forscumgames of yours for some time now, though I admit I haven't been looking especially hard. Town games of yours are easy to find, as we've played at least four games together, all of which you were Town in. So I'm not entirely sure what you're hiding behind all those redactions.
Thanks for the tip re: your wiki, I'd been doing it the old-fashioned way."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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...No role name? Bullshit. Even the VT had a role name.
I was the one who motivated you. It was a one-shot ability, now expended. I vote we get rid of you before you do any further harm, and before my mistake helps you with it.
Vote: SpyreX"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 1171, xRECKONERx wrote:WELL IF TWO PEOPLE DIE TOMORROW THEN SPYREX CAN DIE BUT HE ISN'T VERY LIKELY TO BE A MAFIA WITH EXTRA KILLS LIKE THAT
BALANCE, KIDS
This is an excellent point.
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In post 1172, Hoppster wrote:@ Pine:Does your Role PM make it clear what night the 'motivation' takes place? Ie, were you under the impression that you would be boosting SpyreX's actions Night 1 as opposed to Night 2?
It does not make that clear, and though I was expecting it to be last night, his claim of N2 motivation is plausible.
In post 1180, elvis_knits wrote:So why did Pine motivate spyrex and then vote him when he found out spyrex is a vig.
Also rhinox's "I don't think he's scum but vote SA" was fucking scummy.
VOTE: Rhinox
PE: The last post indicates Spyrex is not paying attention to the theme of the game.
I motivated for the stated reason - he said he had something important to do, and I chose to gamble. I voted him because I didn't like the claim, however Reck's point is compelling. Your point against Rhinox is also satisfactory, and I trust Reck's judgment.
Vote: Rhinox"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I butt heads with you when we disagree. You're super obvTown, and we've been on similar wavelengths. The trusting you comment was an afterthought.
I honestly don't care. My remaining ability will enable me to prove I'm Town, but it has some drawbacks I'm not a fan of."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm the Town manager. I have two one-shot abilities and am bulletproof until I use them. My flavor suggests that the Misled Leader was mismanaging the cult until I stepped in and fixed it. I can motivate once, and something else once. I'd rather not say what that is exactly, as it has significant pros and cons that I haven't fully evaluated yet.
PE: WHOA.
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Vote: kuribo
I think that's a big scumslip there. He's calling the cult leader "Great Leader" instead of "our Misled Leader". By flavor, he's still in the cult. BOOM, headshot."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Aha! I just figured out how to use my abilities correctly. Maybe game-breaking, too.
I have a passive ability (BP), a minor one-shot (motivate), and a major one-shot (sacrifice).
-Bulletproof keeps me alive until near-endgame
-Motivate was wasted, but I think it was mostly for role flavor
-Sacrifice. Hoo boy. As aday action, I can sacrifice myself. This DOES NOT END THE DAY, as it says can be taken back up until the hammer. My sacrifice would be a party that lasts until dawn...completely skipping the night phase. No scum kills, but no Town night actions either. Hence the major drawbacks I wasn't sure about.
HOWEVER, near endgame (when there's maybe six or seven people left), I can use my ability. Most of the time, there's damn few Town PRs by that time, because they've all been hunted down for small PR-slips. It would have much more impact against scum at that point."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The flavor is that as a former Baroness and the former manager of the cult, I know a few things about keeping people happy, and also a few things about throwing a party. My sacrifice would be a party that lasts until dawn. Can't elaborate more than that at peril of quoting it directly.
Spyrex, it doesn't say exactly. Just that choosing to sacrifice is a public day action that can be taken back until hammer/deadline.
@Mod: My vote is on Rhinox, not Spyrex
@Mod: I am choosing to sacrifice myself. Is this something you would be noting in Vote Counts or some other public way?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Oh hey, just noticed something else. The flavor also suggests that my former gardener was recruited into the original cult on the same day I was. They probably don't want to confirm that at risk of exposing themselves, but they'll know that that part of my story is true."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The manager part is that I was managing an estate in southern England when recruited to the original cult, and quickly became the Misled Leader's right hand and manager. The role name is "Town Manager".
Max got back to me and said that he wouldn't be acknowledging the sacrifice in public, as it would confirm me in a way that was not intended in the design.
Sacrifice retracted"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Fuck off, kuribo. What I said was that there was no question to answer, or false statement to contradict, or claim to counter. Most of what he says is accurate, though interpreted in the worst light possible. 1227 rectifies that.
Hopp, the Role PM does in fact use the word manager a lot. Baroness->estate manager->cult manager->Town manager. It says that during the days of the cult prior to my recruitment, the cult leader was managing both the Town and the cult's recruitment process. After he was deposed, managing the Town fell to me.
I've stated what I found difficult. I never misunderstood my role (except whether it would be publicly acknowledged), I was wrestling with the pros and cons of using it. I have now found two ways of using it to hinder Town as little as possible while causing problems for scum. The first I have explained. The second is to use it right before I'm lynched, to deny scum the advantage of compounding the problem with a free NK. I'll be lynched and we'll go directly into the next day down one player instead of two or more."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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