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vote VP

fool me once, shame on you

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wagon analysis on page 2? loldongs

unvote, vote: lewarcher

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Lewarcher wagon looks quite good, actually.
Though that'd mean a lot of scum-on-scum piling. CES / DDDP / UT or something.
I'll deepdive later this evening I think. Keeping Lew out of hammer range for the time being sounds like a good plan.

can't wait to hear this

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considering that mafia kills happen before other kills, I can't see this plan doing anything but failing

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it's beneficial to town if scum are cats

which we have no evidence to assume that they are

so yeah, I'm gonna go with the "then lynch me" option

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If the case on him were THAT GOOD, I would understand this logic, and have even been there advocating that at some time in my life.

I just don't think lewarcher's relative scumminess dictates that level of risk in possibly killing off a town vig. It's not the right move for today.

your mistake is in assuming that lew is a vig. he can only kill cats, and there's no reason to assume that cat = mafia

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you think giving him a night to sacrifice himself to prove...uh...that his alignment was town...is good?

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Yes.

Disregarding your leading question and distortion.

what about my question was leading or distorting?

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Yes.

Disregarding your leading question and distortion.

what about my question was leading or distorting?

Phrasing and intent. You couched it in a way to make my point seem bad without actually addressing any way that it was bad.

ok. what's the pro-town motivation to letting a potential vig kill himself tonight?

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serial killers and mafia also kill people. but with that claim there's no way he's an SK.

listen, I think that particular role is worth keeping alive, but I think that with his plan of "so I'll kill myself overnight" we don't really gain anything. I think we either collectively say "ok, fine, we'll accept that you're probably town" or we lynch him now. advocating that a town read commit suicide for no reason other than to prove that he was town is...uh...insane.

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For the record, I'm not arguing that he is town. I'm arguing that

his alignment cannot yet be determined

for sure and that he is not the smartest lynch for today.

Why would you leave a third party role like SK alive on Day 1?

your logic:
we cannot prove he's town therefore he MUST be scum

ladies and gentlemen, it's the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy in the wild! shh! don't disturb it or it will run away and we can't make fun of it.

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ftr I think if lew flips scum, Ghostlin comes out looking worse than Amrun. Amrun's reactions look like misguided town to me.

just want to say that before we get a flip

@Amrun
No. It was at Ghostlin. Your argument was that since we can't determine his alignment, it's probably safer to just leave him be until we can get a better idea. Right? I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think that's a townie reaction.

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I also hate that the last page or so has been heavy in the set up spec. I feel Lew is totally distracting us all from scum hunting and instead we'll bicker about "optimal strategies".

well the whole "what do we do about all the setup speculation" question is something we should delve into tomorrow once we have some flips. not all setup spec is created equal and I don't think we should decide who is derailing and who isn't until we know more.

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so

who wants to test it?

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Last, no animals were harmed in the production of this game. Human owners are killed, not their pets. The mafia is trying to kill people so they can take their pets to Petvana. Know that even the mafia wants what is best for your critter.

I am Mao-Tse-Tung, and I am a town assassin cat. Each night I can decide to visit a player. If that player has a cat, I will kill him. If that player has a dog, I will die. The flavour is connected with the real biography of my former cat Mao, who was killed by a dog.

But why does he kill other cats? What's the flavor reasoning for that?

NINJA'D. Mao was an extremely aggressive cat. No other cat in the neighborhood as long as he was alive.

@Cogito Ergo Sum - Why are you so terrible at this game? Why waste a governance on someone who is clearly scum and you would lynch tomorrow anyways?

OH SHI-

yeah that claim is bullshit

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So why is everyone else completely ignoring the revelation that lew claimed that his flavor is that he kills cats when the rules specifically state that killing roles kill owners?

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right, so uh

why again aren't we lynching lew when we know that his roleclaim is bullshit?

oh right. because CES fucked that up. let's all point and laugh at CES.

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We don't know that, though?

Human owners are killed, not their pets

I am Mao-Tse-Tung, and I am a town assassin cat. Each night I can decide to visit a player. If that player has a cat, I will kill him. If that player has a dog, I will die. The flavour is connected with the real biography of my former cat Mao, who was killed by a dog.

But

why does he kill other cats

? What's the flavor reasoning for that?

NINJA'D. Mao was an extremely aggressive cat. No other cat in the neighborhood as long as he was alive.

so yeah. we do know that.

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yes, because rather than reading the words that he wrote before we questioned it, we should give him the latitude to say "lololol of course I meant the owners!". That is a very extremely smart plan.

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...you don't want to lynch your scum reads?

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does "less dumb" mean "that I have a town read on"?

because if you have a scum read on a lynch candidate then you really shouldn't be calling it dumb

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ok

that's scummy

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jason. stop smoking crack. we're all worried.

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oh look roxi did something. good girl!

here's a snack!

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Self-righteousness is not a particularly effective way to get people on your side. Just saying

Vote: Llamarble

Yup.

Untrod Tripod is also a good vote for doing nothing but speculate about Lew's claim yesterday.

Where was that criticism yesterday? Oh, you had to wait until after the flip for it to become a bad thing. Spare me this opportunistic bs.

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Where was that criticism yesterday? Oh, you had to wait until after the flip for it to become a bad thing. Spare me this opportunistic bs.

I re-read some pieces. I had little no idea who you thought was scum, still don't.

Fill me in?

Your response is a non sequitar. You didn't call me on role speculation while we were talking about it, you waited until after the flip. That's opportunistic. It seems like you only thought it was an issue when he flipped town.

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/picks up prod

More later, but DDDP's notion that my play being "normal" makes it scummy is, uh...

Well I guess, what exactly do you mean by normal?

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So you're claiming that I'm scummy because I'm not doing anything scummy.

Do you realize how illogical that statement is?

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can we talk more about DDDP's "not being scummy is scummy" idea? Because it seems like that's mildly important to note.

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You realize that citing WIFOM as a reason for your scum reads is bad, right?

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Um. Who is that?

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Disregard that I suck cocks.

But the point is I think it's incredibly bad to say that people who aren't doing anything scummy are scummy by virtue of the fact that they're not doing anything scummy.

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bzzzzzz wrong

if you start your analysis from a faulty premise then your analysis is bad

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I realize he wasn't literally trying to lynch me at the moment, but his reasoning for finding me scummy was awful and I like to nip these things in the bud by calling people on bad logic

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UT, is Triple D scum?

I don't think so. The fact that he's pushing this case on me is really troubling because it has no bearing in any kind of logic or rational thought, but that doesn't make him scum.

Also how am I "coasting on a towntell from Vi"? I've never said anything in this game about anyone calling me town.

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he's pretty much coasting on Vi's town-tell of him.

I'm not really sure what else that particular arrangement of words could mean.

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I'm not sure I understand the Ghostlin wagon. Is the wagon mainly that he's not voting for one of the people in his "one of these three is scum" list from yesterday and is pursuing another scum read? I'm not quite sure how that's scummy. I read his ISO and I'm not seeing much of a reason to vote for him. Frankly at the moment I'm not finding anyone's play too damning. The worst that I can remember is Llamarble posting nonsense and DDDP coming up with doublethink reasons to call me scum. Neither of those deserve a vote.

I guess I'll have to read ISOs.

@DDDP
There's a pretty big difference between saying that your argument for a scum read on me is completely illogical and "exaggerat[ing] your level of attack". I never said you were attacking me, merely that your "acting town is scummy" argument is completely insane. Which it is. Especially at the beginning of Day 2.

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@DDDP
There's a pretty big difference between saying that your argument for a scum read on me is completely illogical and "exaggerat[ing] your level of attack". I never said you were attacking me, merely that your "acting

typical

is scummy" argument is completely insane. Which it is. Especially at the beginning of Day 2.

Changed for accuracy.

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why is CES scum?