Driving Mafia - GAME OVER - Kentic controls all the cock!

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Thank you Amrun!

So, hey everyone!

I'll read through and post what I think

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Vote: CooLDoG

Other scum suspects:

-StrangerCoug
-Nocmen

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OM...US FoS: Nobody Special

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Still no reasoning. I kinda like your style, kid.

Eat rope.

Would you by any chance have any sticks instead? Thanks for the offer though.

I would provide reasoning, but apparently you don't want it, so...

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Oh, by the way, it must have been unintentional, but I just noticed you spelt my name wrong so I don't think your vote counts. Even though I'm town and it would be pointless doing so, if you really, really,

really

want to vote for me, you could revote and be careful not to repeat the typo. I know the F and V are close together (on my keyboard anyway), but I'm sure you can do it if you try really hard.

For those of you who are special, reasoning will come soon.

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Oh, just asking, it's no problem that I know absolutely nothing about F62, right?

Wasn't a typo?

.....OOOOOHHHHHHHHH! Well, well, well, you're nobody special anyway!

Ok, so here comes the aformentioned REASONING. (Please ignore the hype. It really isn't that great)

CooLDoG: What mostly alerted my attention to him was his pursuit of Ankamius (who is now me ). At first, I think it might've seemed to scum that Ankamius was an easy player to target and question since he wasn't very clear on why he was voting for people. Maybe I'm just biased, but I couldn't find anything very scummy about Ankamius on re-read, so CooLDoG's attack on Ankamius made it seem more like he was concerned with looking town by questioning/attacking, rather than actually finding out who was scum. What confirmed my suspicion was how he persisted in questioning Ank for what I saw as no good reason- which makes me think he is scum and was concerned that suddenly backing off would be seen as scummy. His eventual hop-off was very scummy in my opinion as well- RBT says "get more votes on stevie ppl" and only then does CooLDoG change vote.

Agreeing with KC and not bothering to defend himself is (as KC said) the most scummy thing in my opinion and also asking for objections to a wall of reads. Many of his other posts as well give me the impression that he's scum.

StrangerCoug:

-I didn't like his jump onto the mask wagon- disagreeing with part of the case and agreeing with the other part seemed like scum trying to not look like they were buddying to me.
-As mentioned already- makes out scooby to be the attacker (even though he agreed), which sounded to me like scum attempting to fuel a town-town conflict- "Scooby says..." -I didn't like the defence against this either- (part of it is *I obviously haven't caused a conflict now, have I*")
-Over-the-top (in my opinion) defence of the mask and the rolefishing thing
-I didn't like the vote change to Ankamius- Did SC actually find him scummy? Why would Ank have bothered defending if there wasn't anything solid to defend against (and I thought his actions were made pretty obvious anyway)
SC, why do you suspect me (Ankamius)?

Nocmen

-Mainly just a feeling at the moment. Little things about some of his posts that struck me the wrong way.

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AARGH, aforementioned*

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CooLDoG, what need is there to explain your vote as soon as you vote? I find it to be a useful way of getting reactions, because I think scum would tend to make it out to be scummy when most townies would realise it's not. My FoS on NS is for this reason.

I'm pretty sure ank explained his votes somewhere (I can't be bothered going back and finding it), but if you or anyone else who attacked him for it is scum, then that's the benefit of it.

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So you think I'm scum then kiwi?

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What is the basis of your suspicion?

What is it that I or Ankamius has done that is more likely to be from scum than town?

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scooby, I don't really have a brain. Sorry to disappoint.

I'm not sure what to think of farside. I don't find her particularly scummy though.

Fishy, same question I asked kiwi.

Kcd, why do you seem so sure that I'm town?

Edit: Aww kiwi, it was very nice of you to forgive me. I would appreciate you re-stating your points on ank, but if you can't be bothered or have time constraints that's fine and I'll find them.

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No, I'm not an alt.

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Two replacements already? Hi Vail and Fish.

Urgh... Nobody and Vail really need to quit playing kindergarden!

Only two days till DL :\ I guess I can look through some ISOs until then...

Nobody started it! So lynch him, not me!

Looks like I'll actually have to re-read and work out why people suspected ank. (You should all feel incredibly guilty now)

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Just btw, I find the arguments that RBT/CooLDoG are town because that's how they play as town to be stupid and possibly scummy.

Ok, so CooLDoG continues to attack Ankamius on the basis of not explaining his RVS-ish posts, even though they were explained in post #118 (and should have been pretty obvious before that)
After that there are just multiple posts about ank being scumteam with people and refusing to answer questions.

*Dismisses CooLDoG's case against Ank.

Now, SC apparently sees the case on Ankamius in post #109, then votes him because he didn't bother to defend against CooLDoG. I don't get this because the sequence of events seems to me to have been something like this:

*Ankamius votes
CooLDoG: Why? Explain!
Ankamius: I will when it's relevant
CooLDoG: It is relevant! EXPLAIN!
*Ankamius explains vote
CooLDoG: Ankamius is not answering any questions and not explaining anything- SCUM!!!!!
Ankamius is like: Seriously? :O
SC: I really see the case and he's not bothering to defend himself. *Votes

The "OMGUS isn't going to win you any friends" comment was also useless in my opinion.
So no SC, I don't understand why you think I'm scum.

Kiwi, your points on ank are: He voted RBT. Nonetheless the point you made was good, but I know I'm town, so... I guess townies find RBT scummy too?

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O_o

Is Vezo usually like this?

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If anyone has a decent case against me/Ankamius, please speak up.

As far as I see it, Kiwi is the only one with a proper reason and even that is weak in my opinion.

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But there is also Deas who is worse than you.

Th post with lynch him not me is terrible. I've never seen a townie do that.

unvote vote daes

I've never seen a townie do this either. Should I vote you too?

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Shadow Dancer, Ankamius is not here anymore and I replaced him. Obviously your not paying much attention to the game and I think if you seriously suspected Anka, you may have realised that he'd bee replaced and considered my posts as well?

How do your reasons support your theory of me (Ankamius) being scum?

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*you're *be

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ugh, *been And SC, are you seriously agreeing that me saying that makes me more likely to be scum? I don't get it.

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Ok, someone tells us to stop playing kindergarten.

Then I say:

"Nobody started it! Lynch him, not me!

...

(not seriously advocating a nobody lynch btw so you're right that it's clearly not a case)

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From what I remember, Ank said that his vote for vezok was because he hadn't said anything, but he said hardly anyone had said anything at that stage, so I would've assumed he meant it was basically random.

"I'll explain my votes when it becomes relevant"- didn't seem to me like shutting down discussion. I would've thought the reactions to it would be interesting.

I don't understand why Ank should've said "my bad". What did he do wrong?

What's with OMGUS being a scum-tell? I think town are more likely to find someone attacking them scummy, but that's obviously just me.

I think that CooLDoG is scum and I think we should lynch him.

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I disagree with you. Obviously if you're picking from players who haven't posted yet it's not completely random, but partly RVS as ankamius said.

I don't know what to say in response to your other points. I didn't see the vote as scummy OMGUS, but obviously I can't tell you what Ankamius' intentions were.

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@Deas: And about your contributions so far should convince me that I was wong about Anka? Your continued OMGUS on Cool? If I had to chose between the two of you I'd definitely side with Cool right now.

Continued OMGUS on CooL? Way to discredit my opinion.

I don't know what you even think about anka/me so how am I supposed to convince you you're wrong?

Please tell us why you'd side with CooL.

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Who are the scum RBT?

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Sorry, I didn't know if your opinion had changed since those posts.

Would you rather a CooLDoG lynch or a no lynch?

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SC, I FoS'd NS because of his reaction to my first post.

SHADOW DANCER, I WANT TO KNOW WHY! Sorry for the caps, but I want to know why you side with CooLDoG and how you find me/anka scummy.

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Can someone tell me how to be spectacularly town? That would help heaps.

Kcd, I'll ask again, What makes you so sure I'm town? And I don't agree with you about the whole replace thing. It's easy enough for mafia to look town upon replacement and any scummy behaviour of Ankamius should be considered (although I don't think he was scummy at all, but whatevs)

Kiwi, what makes you so sure that CooLDoG is town?

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Kcd, To make people think they're town obviously...

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And CooLDoG, yes, I actually do think that's town play.

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Well, he did actually explain his votes.

Holding off on explaining is not something I consider scummy at all.

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hmm, are you talking about the kiwi vote?

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I thought Nobody's reaction was suspicious because he voted me just because I hadn't provided reasoning for my suspicions straight away and he was being all sarcastic about it. I didn't really see how what I did was scummy and thought Nobody's reaction might have indicated scum trying to suspect me for it, as I thought a townie would realise that it was not scummy or anything.

I'm not sure about the FoS now though because I see town reasons for NS's reaction as well.

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just fuck shti... /replace out i'm quitting this site.

What happened?

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Vote: StrangerCoug

for now.

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*flails like mad*

I don't think I did it yesterday though...

@RBT Why not? It's pointless not jumping on anyone (yes, I'm looking at you RBT) and even though I haven't finished a quick re-read of the thread yet, I think he's scum.

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Yes, not voting is a crime! I stress that we policy lynch anyone who doesn't have a new vote in every single one of their posts. Anyway, there's no rush, I just like to vote

But Nocmen, didn't you think I was scum?

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I think kcd quit MS because of the Bowser game- where it was lylo and kcd got it wrong or something like that. I'm not sure though.

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Cool's representation of what he hs to say may be pretty bad at times, but that's nothing I wouldn't expect from him. And there are really far far worse people in this game (kiwieagle any one?)
But underneath of it I mostly agree with Cool's cases and see where he is coming from as a townie.

This is an example of why I also suspect Shadow Dancer. Seemed too confident in reading CooLDoG as town.

And also petroleumjelly because kcd never really properly answered why he was so sure I'm town.

And Kiwi, what made you so sure that CooLDoG was a mislynch? (Although I find SD's behaviour more suspicious)

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Kcdaspot's up and apparently leaving the

SITE

after I agreed with him after flipping through the Driving and Desert threads screams like it should be a tell one way or the other, but I'm not sure what to think about it. It seems better to focus on other things, like the person flailing like mad yesterday...

VOTE: DeasVail

Riceballtail's not off the hook either.

Perfect example of a scum voting another scum.

unvote
vote SC

Vote: StrangerCoug

for now.

And this is not?

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vezok, why did you choose to vote SC instead of me? It probably would've seemed that a lynch on me would be more likely.

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UNVOTE: StrangerCoug

VOTE: Nocmen

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@petroleum I'm not really sure, but I can speculate for you. Possible SC was trying to find something so he could sustain his suspicion on Anka, reducing Anka's vote to OMGUS, which I don't agree with. I don't really see any town reasons for it, so for scum it might have just been something to say.

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FoS Stevie

@Fishy, I still get the feeling that he's scum for some reason and I'm not liking how quickly this SC wagon has formed.

I still suspect SC most though.

UNVOTE: Nocmen

VOTE: StrangerCoug

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FoS Stevie

@Fishy, I still get the feeling that he's scum for some reason and I'm not liking how quickly this SC wagon has formed.

I still suspect SC most though.

UNVOTE: Nocmen

VOTE: StrangerCoug

Hell, even I'm concerned by how fast this wagon formed too.

Why use the "even" here? Why would you be less likely to be concerned?

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I'm not really sure. Sometimes I look over his posts and he seems scummy to me, but I'm not really sure what I can point out.

I was always happy with voting SC, although I am a bit concerned now. I thought I'd move my vote for a bit rather than leave it on SC.

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@fishy I wanted to see how nocmen/SC/anyone else would react to it I guess. After it, you seem more town and Stevie seems more scummy.

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@SC- I've defended the case on Anka as much I am able to, considering that I'm not Anka. And if there's a case on me which I haven't defended against, please do point me to it.

Are you serious about post #336? I really can't tell.

One, I blew off Stevie's question because it was merely a more aggressive version of fishy's (and I did answer fishy's) and two, I'm voting you because I think you're scum.

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The "lynch him, not me" was a poor attempt at a joke in response to Shadow saying that we needed to stop playing kindergarten.
The "You should all feel incredibly guilty now" was me wanting people to feel guilty for making me re-read.

I understand you wanting to know why I suspect you, but you're implying that it's somehow wrong for me to be on a wagon I'm concerned about just because I think that person is scum. Why else would I be on the wagon?
Also, why didn't you ask why I suspected you when I first voted you.

Now, why I suspect you:

-Reasons for my day 1 suspicion were provided on day 1. You responded to it, but it didn't really alter what I thought of you.
-You seemed to make a much bigger deal out of the hammer than I would have expected and it seems quite likely to me that you knew he was town. Things like waiting for my answer before hammering and the posts you make about reading F62 make it seem that way, but I'm really not sure what to make of your hammer. These are just my thoughts.
-One of the big things for me is your suspicion of me. I have trouble really believing it, especially since most of the points you bring up against me don't seem to be very justified and you didn't seem too concerned with pushing for my lynch day 1 either.

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Just the posts you made about reading F62 to verify his claim and you saying that you wouldn't tough CD before I answered made it seem that way to me.

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*touch

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@Nocmen Stevie seems more scummy from it because it was just a more elaborate version of the question fishy had already asked and it suggested that my vote couldn't be justified because you had made a good point against SC- which didn't make much sense really. Also, it was the sole reason for his post and he didn't really comment anything and I think scum are more likely to make such useless posts which don't appear so useless.

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If RBT is right, then is his/her tunelling still shitty town play?

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if we're talking in a hypothetical world where i don't know that i'm town - yes. you should still give your opinion on people other than ur 1 main scum suspect.

Ok, but I like it how you accuse him of tunelling right after a comment he made on StrangerCoug

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How am I a VI exactly?

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SC, why are you liking Shadow Dancer as town?

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Scooby, can you change Ankamius to DeasVail please? unless you think he's town and I'm scum of course.

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Isn't it basically the same as other attacks on Nobody Special (such as yours)?

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Kiwi, can I ask this again, what made you believe CooLDoG was a mislynch.

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I don't really get the NS wagon to be honest, unless it's "NS is anti-town. LYNCH HIM!" -In this case I totally get it.

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Kiwi seems like town to me. Still unsure about NS. Still think SC is scum.

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Shadow, my vote on coug is because I think he's the most likely to be scum, but there's not all that much else to say about him. What other reason would satisfy you?

I expressed suspicion of you once and I still suspect you. Do you have a problem with me not voting for you?

I think Nobody is likely town cop, but I still think it's possible he's mafia.

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SC, kiwi. What make you instantly believe Nobody's claim?

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Shadow, but how would we know it's a fakeclaim if the real cop doesn't cc?

Shadow, I'm sure I already said why I suspected Shadow. Why aren't you paying much attention to the game?

I already explained my reasons for voting nocmen too.

Ok, just ISO'd myself and found them. I can't believe I actually had to ISO myself...

Spoiler: Reasons Provided Day 1

StrangerCoug:

-I didn't like his jump onto the mask wagon- disagreeing with part of the case and agreeing with the other part seemed like scum trying to not look like they were buddying to me.
-As mentioned already- makes out scooby to be the attacker (even though he agreed), which sounded to me like scum attempting to fuel a town-town conflict- "Scooby says..." -I didn't like the defence against this either- (part of it is *I obviously haven't caused a conflict now, have I*")
-Over-the-top (in my opinion) defence of the mask and the rolefishing thing
-I didn't like the vote change to Ankamius- Did SC actually find him scummy? Why would Ank have bothered defending if there wasn't anything solid to defend against (and I thought his actions were made pretty obvious anyway)
SC, why do you suspect me (Ankamius)?

Spoiler: Reasons Provided Day 2

Now, why I suspect you:

-Reasons for my day 1 suspicion were provided on day 1. You responded to it, but it didn't really alter what I thought of you.
-You seemed to make a much bigger deal out of the hammer than I would have expected and it seems quite likely to me that you knew he was town. Things like waiting for my answer before hammering and the posts you make about reading F62 make it seem that way, but I'm really not sure what to make of your hammer. These are just my thoughts.
-One of the big things for me is your suspicion of me. I have trouble really believing it, especially since most of the points you bring up against me don't seem to be very justified and you didn't seem too concerned with pushing for my lynch day 1 either

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The Nocmen vote was basically reaction fishing because I was bored and felt that he could be scum.

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Replace the third Shadow in my post with StrangerCoug

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Hmm, I didn't think that scum would be so bold as to proclaim someone they knew would be a mislynch as an obvious mislynch.

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@Shadow You may not like my reasons for suspecting StrangerCoug, but they're why I think he's scum, so deal with it.

You are right that those I have suspected were voting Ankamius- It may have something to do with:
1) Me knowing that Ankamius was town
2) Me thinking Ankamius wasn't really that scummy at all, with scum more likely to pick on non-scummy things than town.
You reducing it to OMGUS is pretty scummy imo.

Since Stranger stopped suspecting me, he hasn't come across as particularly scummy. (And this will fit with your love for OMGUS pretty nicely).

About nocmen, I changed my vote and was interested to see if/how anyone would respond to it. I thought Nocmen was a good choice because I felt he could be scum, but didn't really have anything concrete on him. Of course I can't place a vote on a real suspect and fish for reactions at the same time. That's just totally absurd...

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@Shadow: I'm not going to suspect someone just because they attack me (OMGUS) or because they voted for a townie.

But picking on things that aren't actually scummy are what I think scum are more likely to do.

Coug's Day 2 play, after he stopped suspecting me, does not support my case, but he still is the one I suspect the most as no one else has stood out as particularly scummy.

I don't think I need such a great reason to temporarily change a vote and I wasn't exactly sure which possible reactions I considered scummy. I didn't feel I was doing much so I thought I'd change a vote, see if there are any reactions to it, and then think about which ones were likely to come from scum. That's the thing, I didn't have anything which I could point to and say "that's scummy", but I did feel he could be scum.
I didn't really get much from it, but I'm not really fussed because it's not like I made any sacrifices or did any harm by changing my vote for a bit. I thought Stevie's reaction was scummy, but obviously he's probably town.

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@Fishy, I was never all that convinced of NS being scum, although not of him being town either. I don't think he should be lynched, because I believe it's quite possible that he is actually the cop. I still think it's possible that he's scum, but I don't really want to take the chance.