Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

[Magister Ludi]

SECRET READS;

MOD CONFIRMED SCUM: MASTIN

HHAAHHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THE DEATH OF MASTIN HAS ARRIVED BY MY HAND

FOS: EVERYONE NOT VOTING MASTIN

VOTE MASTIN

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[Magister Ludi]

UNVOTE

Vote: PLAISADE

[Magister Ludi]

Unsupported reads by Palisade, backtracking from them slightly to state they need to 'talk it over', gut reads that are BS, random math, hesitant tone.....

CONFIRM VOTE

[Magister Ludi]

We each must fight our

own

battles. No man does my fighting.

Two men enter, only one solitary figure leaves.

[Magister Ludi]

I LUST FOR PALISADE NOW NOT LATER

I must take his head.

[Magister Ludi]

Its page five and Palisade is still alive.

Problem has been spoted.

[Magister Ludi]

Listen up, We don't lynch millers because they claim miller, we lynch them if they act scummy.

Dueling them off for no apparent reason is eating cake with-no-icing stupid.

Preview: Yes, sanity.

[Magister Ludi]

GUESS WHO'S TRYING TO LEAD THE SPRINGLULLABY WAGON...,

PALISADE

EHAHEAHAHAHEHAEHEAHEHAH

[Magister Ludi]

even an idiot can follow

People Who Are Scum:

xRECKONERx
Kise
Albert B. Rampage
zMuffinMan

Original Roll String: 1d25
1 25-Sided Dice: (24) = 24

Vote: Nero Cain

*RED ALERT RED ALERT*

[Magister Ludi]

Is there a reason you dodged everything that has happened so far?

[Magister Ludi]

Why aren't you voting the scum then?

[Magister Ludi]

EXCELLENT

[Magister Ludi]

Guys, We have to do this one person at a time.

Fonz, we have in this game mastin who

a. Is mastin
b. has acted scummy and anti-town

Have you read him? WE NEED to put him into the pit now.

[Magister Ludi]

THE HEAD OF MASTIN, SHALL COME OFF BY MY HAND

Vote : Ludi

[Magister Ludi]

You make no sense Ghostwriter. Being chosen to fight for glory doesn't automatically make you, the outside ring cheerer, have a better read on them, or increase odds of anything.

You must know, now, who you plan on winning the combat, who you plan on voting for eternal glory, and who must die.

[Magister Ludi]

Unless the Survivor gets

powers for winning the fight

it's stupid.

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Ludi is actually very likely to be scum. Look at his ISO, he SCREAMS for a mastin lynch, constantly rages for his death, AND THAT'S IT.

EHEHAEHAEHEHAHEHAAH

WATCH AND LEARN PADAWAN.

YOU GETTING COLD FEET??? IS PALISADE YOUR NEW TOWN READ? DON'T THINK I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN HOW QUICKLY YOU DIVERTED ATTENTION FROM YOUR OWN DUELING OF COOLDOG.

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What if Palisade claims cop?

Palisade has already claimed VT:

it's pretty much the standard VT PM

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But multiple standard millers are not impossible, but unlikely - i've only seen it once, and the mod there was... me.

I've put them in games I have reviewed, and argued for them specifically for meta-breaking reasons. You'll see when [REDACTED] finishes exactly how I used them.

[Magister Ludi]

Ludi, would you agree that it's hugely unlikely both are scum?

Yeah, that is almost certainly the case.

If they were both on the same scum team, there is no way they both claim miller one after the other, as claiming miller is a signing your own death contract several days into the game.

On two teams, its slightly more possible, but I'm sure that springlullaby, being beaten to the thread by another miller claim, if scum, would not throw herself into a 1v1 miller claim like that.

Its possible one is scum, However, I think the more likely explaination is that they are both town, and the modteam/reviewers decided to throw both in for exactly this purpose.

[Magister Ludi]

OH FATE.

HEHAHAEHAHEAHAEHAHAEHAH. I FIGURED IT OUT HERE FATE. YOU'RE GOOD, BUT I'M BETTER. YOUR FEAR IS GIVING YOU AWAY.

YOU'RE SCUM WITH PALISADE. IT ALL MAKES SENSE. YOUR GAMBITS ARE AS LEGENDARY AS I HAVE HEARD. BUT IT FAILED.

YOU KNEW I WOULD BEGIN PUSHING YOUR BUDDY PALISADE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST DAY. YOU FULLY SUPPORTED MY PLAN THEN, YOU WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE US 'CONFIRMED' MASONS. YOU WERE HAPPY TO PUT PALISADE INTO THE RING. IF YOU DIDN'T YOU KNEW I WOULD KNOW SOMETHING WAS UP. YOU EXPECTED TO PUT HIM INTO THE RING, HOWEVER, BUT TO HAVE HIM WIN. WHY?

BECAUSE AFTER YOU GOT RID OF ME, THE TOWN CRED YOU WOULD HAVE GAIN WOULD HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS. NO SANE MAN WOULD HAVE PUT HIS BUDDY STRAIGHT INTO THE RING ON DAY ONE WITH EVERY INTENTION OF LYNCHING HIM, RIGHT? BUT THEN AGAIN, NO ONE EVER SAID YOU WERE SANE. EHEHEHEAHEHAEHEAHE.

YOU PROBABLY EXPECTED ME TO BACK DOWN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, CONTENT WITH MASTIN, YOU PROBABLY EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THOROUGH SOMEONE ELSE, OR PERHAPS ONE OF THE MILLER CLAIMS.

BUT WHAT YOU DIDN'T EXPECT IS THAT IS THAT I WOULD GO INTO THE RING WILLINGLY TO DECAPITATE PALISADE. AND YOU FEARED. AND YOU PANICKED. BECAUSE I AM GOING TO WIN THE DUEL WITH PALISADE, AND YOU'RE DOWN A SCUM BUDDY, AND I HAVE ALL THE CREDIT.

SO YOU SWITCHING NOW. YOU'RE TRYING TO COLOR THE SKY GREEN. IT WON'T WORK. IT IS NEVER GOING TO WORK. THE ONLY QUESTION NOW IS WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SWITCH AND TRY AND PUSH SOMEONE ELSE YOU THINK CAN LOSE THE BATTLE INTO THE RING.

[Magister Ludi]

That was exhilarating. For Fate. For Mastin. He knows why.

Amrun, Palisade has

already

claimed Vanilla Townie.

[Magister Ludi]

Checked in.

[Magister Ludi]

Choose : WLC

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Ghostwriter

[Magister Ludi]

This game is awesome the only thing that would make it better is CoolDog with another guilty.

[Magister Ludi]

However tempting it is to go ahead and place my vote on amrun, I can't. Sadly, amrun is town. I copped her last night. Simply because the association tell on her being scum WITH WC. I was sold on her, too bad.

vote: GW

There are two scum teams. This is confirmed.

I might not be sold on this. If you are a scanner for only one team, it may be possible that you hit someone who is not on that particular scum team. XReckX already flipped a specific type of cop, so I think one modified cop and one full cop is unlikely.

I think it was Fonz who made a good point about not rushing for a quicklynch. Only after everyone posts lets get on with throwing Ghostwriter in the pit.

[Magister Ludi]

Actually, can you summarize the main case against Amrun here? A lot of people are frothing at the mouth over her but the only thing I could find was that she might have been (???) breadcrumbed guilty by Reck.

[Magister Ludi]

You being the Fonz after that ninja by Amrun*

[Magister Ludi]

meh, I think Fonz is pretty solidly town at this point.

On this;

Super-huge scumslip, guys.

Fonz knows we're town.

Reck's stance on us D1 was that we're scum.
This implies Fonz knows that if we were investigated, we'd turn up town.
In other words, Fonz knows we're town already.

This is the sort of nonsense I hate from you mastin/palisade. There appear to be two scum teams, and you yourself even believe this is the case. So, even if Fonz was scum on one team, he would have no way of knowing if you were town or on the other scum team, which invalidates this supposed 'scumslip'.

A lot of your logic follows this same convoluted trail.

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[Magister Ludi]

Want to hear from Snake and Bogre and Ghostwriter here first.

@ mod; Prod them all

[Magister Ludi]

Some of those players haven't posted at all today, Ghostwriter in 10 days. Yes, I would like a prod.

[Magister Ludi]

Answer your own question. Why do you think?

[Magister Ludi]

The Fonz, how come you didn't want to wagon Mastin day one with me?

[Magister Ludi]

Man speaks the truth.

Vote: Palisade

[Magister Ludi]

Choose Ghostwriter

[Magister Ludi]

Continuing low access

Vote: Palisade

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Palisade

[Magister Ludi]

I don't know, were they? New information breeds new speculation

Now that cooldog has a higher chance of being town, some events, like that wagon take on a new meaning.

[Magister Ludi]

Choose: Palisade

[Magister Ludi]

Oversoul, what does your last post even mean?

Palisade flipping town is not what I expected. Hold on.

[Magister Ludi]

Why just them? I was pretty solid on Palisade flipping scum of some sort, as were several other players.

[Magister Ludi]

Lets see

Vote: Internet Stranger

He's been on cruise control this game. Not overly concerned who goes in the ring, or who dies, or who lives. He's just been surfing through the days surviving and not doing much, which is what I would expect scum to be doing.

And, his comment to not look at the initial bandwagon on CoolDog is definitely wrong, considering that wagon had a higher than usual chance of containing scum who hoped that they wouldn't be considered 'scummy' for joining a 'joke' (/equivalent) early bandwagon. It reads perhaps like he knows that there is in fact scum on the wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

Toog, thats a rather big post with not much relevance. Who are the top three people you think are anti-town, and why?

[Magister Ludi]

See, Toog, that logic applies to IS as well. Come join this wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

He's certainly wrong. Is 'he knew there were scum there and was trying to defend' more reasonable an explanation than 'he didn't think the wagon was particularly relevant or likely to contain scum?'

The scummiest looking part of the wagon (Oversoul, Palisade, Internet Stranger, T-Bone) now has two dead town, and Oversoul's really, really not looking like scum now. That does look really bad for IS.

Do you mean me with your hanging pronoun of 'he' here? Because, you basically say that my interpretation is illogical (IS knows scum was on that wagon and he himself is scum) and then turn around and agree with me that IS does in fact looks bad.

How did you decide to chop the wagon into the last four people that joined by the way?

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You know what's also scummy as fuck? This wagon.

Amrun (12) - Mastermind of Sin, Toogeloo, Oversoul, kiwieagle, Nero Cain, Darox, xRECKONERx, Amrun, Bunnylover, Snakeplissken, CooLDoG, zMuffinMan

You can't just drop this off and not elaborate. Why is it scummy? Who is the scum?

[Magister Ludi]

Never thought I'd see you squirm and get this defensive with two votes on you, Internet Stranger.

Panic mode has set in it seems. Lets get some more votes here.

[Magister Ludi]

What authority did I appeal to?
What bluff are you talking about?
Which questions do you need answered?

You talk a lot of talk, IS, but I'm not sure what you're driving at.

[Magister Ludi]

Its hardly the lawyer defense (heh, is that even a term), when I asking those questions to how how ridiculous your statements were. You can't answer them, so you don't

[Magister Ludi]

I should clarify by what I meant by defensive here. As soon as you had votes on you by me and muffin, you immediately went into assuming we were scum. Despite having said you had town reads on us. And also assuming MoS and Fonz and who knows else was scum. You were annoyed that anyone had caught you out as scum. You lashed out. You were angry.

[Magister Ludi]

Vote: Internet Stranger

Yup. This feels right.

Let's lynch Ludi tomorrow anyway, cuz they're probably distancing.

X

Not at all.

[Magister Ludi]

Why not?

[Magister Ludi]

That wasn't the entire basis. His comments about the CoolDog wagon, and his subsequent reaction to votes. They strike you as town?

[Magister Ludi]

Internet Stranger needs to be in the ring.

GreyICE, what does your 1133 mean?

[Magister Ludi]

Are you calling all his town reads scum reads, or that he's bussing buddies with his scum read, or what?

[Magister Ludi]

Changing your tone and way of responding when under a little pressure is what scum do, IS. You were hyper aggressive after I voted you. You didn't answer my questions. Now, with more votes, you're taking time. Answering questions. Trying to appear methodical. Appeasement.

but still making things up, of course.

I'm pretty sure if I had never voted you, you would not have even thought to call me anti-town.

Ludidamus, as you call me, has seen you as scum.

[Magister Ludi]

You can't argue with him, Stranger. Ludidamus has spoken.

[Magister Ludi]

Should have a post up by later tonight.

[Magister Ludi]

Internet is still scum. I think the reasons on him have been pretty good. Nothing he has done in response has really shaken my read.

My only question is what happened to the suspicions and votes on Oversoul from yesterday's ring session. I'll look into that a bit.

Not sure what Nero is doing with his vote.

[Magister Ludi]

meh. Internet, I asked you some questions a few pages ago that you never answered. Why do you expect people to answer yours, IS?

You're using 'confirmation bias' wrong. If I had confirmation bias, I would have entered this game thinking you were scum, and then interpreted your actions to match my view. Which I didn't. I looked at your entire actions, today, and put down a vote. Your reasoning is jacked up.

[Magister Ludi]

Well if I think someone is scum, that means first I've examined their isolation. I then decided I think there are more things likely to come from scum than town, other wise I would have read him as town and not voted him.

Yeah, If someone, A, whose alignment I didn't have a read on attacked another player, B, who I didn't have a read on, I would probably be pretty neutral. But, If I had a scum read on player B, who then turned around and attacked A out of nowhere after A attacked him, that would confirm my suspicions against B.

And most scum are going to say the case against them is BS. Or not true for reasons x,y,z. The initial reasons weren't terrible. The reasons based on his play since then aren't bad either. He's not at all being run up on day one here over playstyle. unless you mean playstyle to mean every post he has ever made in this particular game. If so, then, yes.

[Magister Ludi]

GreyICE, are Darox and CSL scum together?

[Magister Ludi]

So,... yes or no?

[Magister Ludi]

You followed your biggest scum read onto the same wagon.

[Magister Ludi]

Now answer the question

[Magister Ludi]

Why did this IS wagon disappear?

[Magister Ludi]

If Palisade hadn't been lynched yesterday, people would have tried to lynch him again today. Oversoul wasn't lynched yesterday, and no one is really pursuing that wagon anymore today. Why?

I'm not sure if it means Oversoul was mafia with buddies who tried to lynch Palisade, or if Oversoul was town and mafia simply didn't care who got lynched. Considering that he got to L-1, and you have an interesting situation. Rereading.

[Magister Ludi]

Choose: CSL

[Magister Ludi]

Choose: CSL

[Magister Ludi]

I had forgotten mastin was in this game. Ahh god

At some point in this game I planned on fakeclaiming some third party guy who needed to win in the ring several times before he could leave the game, but I never got to use it.

[Magister Ludi]

Well the only reason it was good to kill COolDog is because the pr's worked out in such an unimaginable way. Half our team got boned by pr's.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, dynasty warriors mafia was sort of similiar, with all sorts of abilities interacting with the ring. I'm not sure which on is better.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, I don't think oversoul played that badly at all. Town played ok, and scum played sorta ok (we had a grip of lurkers). And I thought the power roles were definitely unbalanced in favor of town.

But thats how things roll. I liked playing when I was alive.

[Magister Ludi]

hmmm... interesting.... Toog... give me some pointers to look out for

[Magister Ludi]

I had a run of 6 games in a row as scum, it was getting insane.

[Magister Ludi]

I love when games end its like a party with your old friends again. Its nice