Bastard Mod mafia - GAME OVER!

[TBuG]

Yes, Dripping, please claim

Pariah, if you don't have a post restriction, post something normal.
If you can only vote and unvote, vote and unvote me.
If you can only vote and unvote CES, vote and unvote him twice.

[TBuG]

Vote: DrippingGoofball

[TBuG]

Wow, DGB, I didn't know you had so many votes. You should have told us. My vote is now justified ;P

[TBuG]

Translation: I talk at night.

[TBuG]

Good point.

Unvote

[TBuG]

CES, is your post restriction rule 2 regular, two backwards?

[TBuG]

PBuG, have you been reading the thread? Obv not.

Yes, I have, I was just checking -.-

I think we should keep DG around. If she's telling the truth, she's neutral, and there's no need to lynch/vig her. If she's lying, then we shouldn't lynch/kill her because that's what she wants.

[TBuG]

Okay, here's a bit of a revelation. I didn't think it would come into play so quickly. I'm a very interesting cop. I investigate someone, and the mod sends me my results at a random point throughout the day. My sanity is confirmed, but if I do a certain thing, it changes. VisMaior is a bastard mod. Anyway, I investigated Shamrock, and I got guilty. Believe me if you like, if someone else claimed it there's no way in hell I'd trust them.

Unvote?, Vote: Shamrock

[TBuG]

I can't tell you, my sanity will change. I hate this role T.T

[TBuG]

Y'know, screw it. I don't care if my sanity changes or not, I caught scum and I can figure out my sanity over the next two days.

I may investigate at any time, but there are two weird limits (well, investigating at any time is weird on its own). One, I have to wait at least 24 hours for the result, and at most a week. Two, I must wait at least 72 hours to investigate again, and if I don't investigate within 48 hours of that, I lose the investigation. If I lose the investigation, I must wait 96 hours to investigate again.

Again, I don't particularly like this role. For my next investigation, I'm going to investigate myself. I find out under what condition my sanity changes next when I get my next result.

[TBuG]

Two things:

I investigate someone, and the mod sends me my results at a random point throughout the day.

Wasn't this a day start? When did you target Shamrock with an investigation?

My sanity is confirmed, but if I do a certain thing, it changes.

......confirmed by the bastard mod?

If you provide satisfactory answers, I'll gladly vote Shamrock, of course.

Oh, and number two is yes. But like I said, my sanity changes, and he doesn't tell me what it changes to.

[TBuG]

Yes, because my sanity changes. I should think that if my sanity changes, the mod would be honest about my sanity.

[TBuG]

That is ytterp evian thinking, Pbug.

Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Shamrock, you're three from lynch, I'd suggest claiming.

[TBuG]

I think what I will do I investigate myself, then investigate Shamrock again. I've already sent in my self investigation (I sent it in after post 156), so hopefully I'll get the result, and my new sanity changer, soon. I know that if I get an innocent result, I'm naive, so I hope I get scum on myself.

[TBuG]

Y'know, screw it. I don't care if my sanity changes or not, I caught scum and I can figure out my sanity over the next two days.

I may investigate at any time, but there are two weird limits (well, investigating at any time is weird on its own). One, I have to wait at least 24 hours for the result, and at most a week. Two, I must wait at least 72 hours to investigate again, and if I don't investigate within 48 hours of that, I lose the investigation. If I lose the investigation, I must wait 96 hours to investigate again.

Again, I don't particularly like this role. For my next investigation, I'm going to investigate myself. I find out under what condition my sanity changes next when I get my next result.

My sanity changes. It changed after I posted this because the first change condition was a full roleclaim. So, I'm not longer sane. If I get an innocent, I'm naive so I'll try to fulfill the change condition. If I get guilty, I'm insane or paranoid, so when I investigate Shamrock again, if I get guilty, I'm paranoid, and if I get innocent, I'm insane. I have a very confusing role. I hope random isn't one of the sanities I can get.

[TBuG]

PBug, is there anything stopping you from simply getting investigations on all 24 people in the game today?

Yes, because that would give us a day lasting at least a few months and at most almost a year.

[TBuG]

Yeah, if anything it will help us determine how much of a bastard VisMaior is.

[TBuG]

Oh, and I got scum on myself, so next I'll investigate Shamrock.

[TBuG]

1. Sane.
2. It changed after post 156 when I made my full claim.
3. I do not know my current sanity, but my current sanity is that which I investigated myself with.

[TBuG]

Not anymore, she doesn't. And Masterchief, you are really overreacting.

[TBuG]

How very polite DrippingGoofball.

You're welcome, Sugar. May I offer you some tea?

Can I ask Millie to toast some fresh crumpets for you, dear?

You must be hungry, coming to visit us like this on horseback. Here, let me take your hat. Pray tell, how's Aunt Alma?

XD I love you.

[TBuG]

Yay, Glrok!

[TBuG]

Guys, I've sent in my investigation for Shamrock, so I'll let you know when I get the result.

[TBuG]

Anybody want to just go ahead and hammer? Like, say, DGB?

[TBuG]

*sighs and waits for investigation results*

Hi Mariyta, you dirty scum

[TBuG]

Damn, VisMaior is a bastard, sending me a result right after he replaces the target.

Here's a list of my results:

Shamiyta: Scum

Sanity change

PBuG: Scum
Shamiyta: Town

*cough cough*

And just a basic townie in "Bastard Mod"? Funny.

[TBuG]

You realize I just gave my results?

[TBuG]

No. I voted for him because my pm said townies wouldn't utter that word. Therefore, he's not a townie. And I hinted to get someone to say it, silly.

He's not a

townie

. He could still be pro-town. Butterflies, butterflies, butterflies.

Wait, by sanity change, do you mean you were an insane cop or what?

I was sane, now I'm insane.

[TBuG]

I seriously doubt she's any sort of recruiter. Even if she is, there is no possible way I can be convinced to take my vote off of her.

[TBuG]

Mariyta is playing the "You all suck because you're voting me" card. I feel perfectly chipper about lynching her now.

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT ONLY TALLYING VOTES AGAINST MARIYTA:

Shamariyta: 11 (Bethelmark, Cogito Ergo Sum, Fritzler, marc.six, Masterchief, Mastermind of Sin, Pariah, PBuG, Glork, Coron, arimnaes)

Primate, was that an actual unvote?

I think we need to stop speculating how much of a bastard VisMaior is and find out by lynching Mariyta. We'll figure out if Mariyta is telling the truth about butterflies, if I'm really a sanity-change cop, and probably some othe things, too. We really need to test how reliable my results are, considering I've gotten scum on Shamariyta while I was sane and town when I was insane.

[TBuG]

Okay then.

[TBuG]

Primate, I don't think so because Scum isn't a player.

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT ONLY TALLYING VOTES AGAINST MARIYTA:

Shamariyta: 12 (Bethelmark, Cogito Ergo Sum, Fritzler, marc.six, Masterchief, Mastermind of Sin, Pariah, PBuG, Glork, Coron, arimnaes, ChannelDelibird)

[TBuG]

C'mon, let's lynch her before something DOES happen

[TBuG]

Fine, fine.

[TBuG]

...

[TBuG]

My win condition changed, and that's all I can say about that, because yesterday, I was not permitted to claim my true role, and from last night on, I am a townie who wins with the town. I am not a cop, I was never a cop, but I needed to do what I did to get the chance to win, and VisMaior is a bastard. I'm now a townie, and if you think I'm scum, do you think someone who's been playing scum for three years would do what I did yesterday, then take it all back the next day?

I don't think we should lynch DGB because she appears to be telling the truth. Although, ChannelDelibird, do you have good reason to believe she is scum?

With Scum's post:
13 clues blah blah = 13 to lynch (half of 25 = 12.5)
4 good deaths = 4 players dead so far

[TBuG]

I'm shocked that nobody's called bullshit yet, I'm considering voting

myself

.

[TBuG]

Last night, my role changed because my "win condition" changed. Yesterday I was a neutral role. Now I am a townie. Can you please try and understand, yesterday I had a completely different motive. How I achieved that motive was claiming cop and saying I had results on my target being scum. Either you can believe me or you can't, but I hope you do. Really, this game makes my head hurt.

Heehee, yay for hidden clues. No invisitext, but I did drop a clue. If nobody figures it out, I'll get as close as I can without completely claiming my old role.

[TBuG]

To PBuG: Why was a false cop claim for your safety?

It wasn't, it was so I could win. Think: why did I claim to get scum on a certain person, and get that person lynched, to take it all back and say that my win condition, which I accomplished, changed? Hint about previous post: If this post was coded in the same way, it would be ITHIT. There are five letters and five sentences.

[TBuG]

I've been told that I now win with the town.

[TBuG]

Apparently I misunderstood my original role. The mod just infromed me I've been mistaken; I wasn't actually a lyncher, but I needed to do what I did yesterday to have a chance to win. My win c0ondition has always been with the town, but I didn't win unless I did what I did yesterday. Honestly, I would be surprised if I wasn't lynched today because I forgot my actual role.

[TBuG]

I had to do what I did yesterday in addition to the town winning. If I had not managed to do spcifically the outcome of what I did yesterday by the end of the game, I could not win.

[TBuG]

PBuG, did that have to happen yesterday, or could it have happened today instead, and your condition to have a chance to win would still be fulfilled? From what I understand, it had to happen yesterday no matter what, but if you could clarify please...

No, it had to happen at some point in the game, but since I was mistaken and thought I was lyncher, I did it yesterday to win sooner.

[TBuG]

I can't say X(

[TBuG]

My role is not a basic role. My original role PM specifically said that I cannot say what I am. I am a townie who cannot win if a certain thing does not happen. Said thing happened yesterday, so I now win with the town.

[TBuG]

lynch a town to win with the town

My role is more specific than that.

[TBuG]

FoS: Fortify

for that response.

[TBuG]

I'd rather lynch scum.

[TBuG]

Scenario 1: DG is unnightkillable godfather pulling gambit and CD tells the truth

Scenario 2: CD is actually scum while DG nailed him on the scumtell

Scenario 3: The bastard mod is messing with both of them and everything is moot.

I'd say we lynch DGB and then judge CD based on what the lynch reveals.

Agreed, considering the mod said anything in a PM is the truth. I think DGB is lying through her keyboard.

Unvote?, Vote: DGB

[TBuG]

Vote: Coron

I'm okay with putting Coron three from lynch.

[TBuG]

I, too don't think DBG was truthful. The "scumtell" was probably an excuse to say someone is scum.


P.S. Note Scum hasn't posted recently.

[TBuG]

Not even any invisitext?

[TBuG]

Unvote, Vote: viper

[TBuG]

Can we lynch someone soon? Please?

Unvote, Vote: Coron

[TBuG]

Shamrock was replaced and lynched.

[TBuG]

Shamrock was replaced and lynched.

To Dahen's credit, he

was

pro-town.

I didn't say anything bad, I was just stating the facts...

[TBuG]

I'm here, and will read over what I missed, then post.

[TBuG]

On Day 2, I told everyone that I lied to get the result of my claim on Day 1.

[TBuG]

Oh, that's right. The whole "I'm a lyncher but now I'm a townie" thing. Don't buy it. PBuG is scum.

Not a lyncher, that was a mistake I made. A townie who, to be able to win, had to act like one.

PBug- Did you have to claim cop because of your role? Or did you just think it was the best way to get want you needed to do done?

I thought (and was very wrong) that it was the best way to get things done. I was working under the assumption that once I did what I did, I would no longer need to defend any previous actions.

This whole thing with me was brought up earlier and everyone agreed I was town.

Again, I am not and was never a lyncher. I cannot say because I am not allowed to give a full claim, but I was in a way both a lyncher and a townie at once.

[TBuG]

It's not the role of the person who was lynched, it is the actual person who was lynched.

I might have been able to achieve my goal by convincing you Mariyta was scum. That is the only other method I could have used.

Of course my story makes no sense, this is Bastard Mod. Don't forget that.

[TBuG]

On the first day, I claimed a ridiculously idiotic cop (the fact that anyone believed me was ridiculous) to get Shamrock/Mariyta lynched. I was successful. Only, I thought I was a lyncher. I wasn't, but I had attributes of a lyncher while still being a townie. I fucked up Day 1, but it was the (one of the) only way(s) I could have a shot at winning.

[TBuG]

Vote: Glork

Not OMGUS, my reasoning has little to do with myself. These:

But why are you so sure that Poppie isn't scum?

that is fishing

That's exactly what I'm referring to.


As is this:

And Glorkers, you seem very sure that Strudel hasn't been killing people. How do you know that exactly?

Well, with THAT interpretation I think there should be more fishing.

WRONG. It is up to the person to decide to come out or not. Fishing is scummy. You can ask for reasons for a vote, etc, but asking how someone knows something is fishing and scummy. Townies want power roles hidden, scum want to know the power roles because they are afraid of them.

Once again, Romanus hits the nail on the head. Trying to force information (note, even, that I have not claimed to *have* any role information, necessarily) out of someone this heavily is scummy. Add Dahen to my list of "Players that can die."

So, asking for reasoning of why someone

isn't

scum is now fishing? Funny how that works out.

[TBuG]

Glork + PBuG = scum.

What...?

Unvote; HAMMAH: Toaster Strudel

We can lynch Glork tomorrow.

[TBuG]

Kill: Romanus

if king = dayvig >:) I think he's been lying.

Otherwise,

Vote: Romanus

.

[TBuG]

This will also mean that hoochyness dies with me, I hope you can live with that.

WTF are you talking about?

[TBuG]

Kill: Everyone

I win! :p

[TBuG]

WTF, PBUG?

Do you really not know what being king means? Or are you just messing with us?

And nooooooooo, not the hoochyness!!1 Can't you kill some kittens instead?

No, I have no clue at all what 'king' means. I'm assuming it's just flavor.

[TBuG]

He seemed to be connected with Glork reading over part of the last day.

[TBuG]

PBug, don't you think that the connection you saw between me and Glork could be Glork trying to buddy up to someone he knows is not on his side and is a claimed law enforcement guy?

I felt the buddying up as well, that is why I checked him. Though I do realize that my checking him really meant nothing since I am almost absolutely paranoid.

You're trying to lead me into a certain conclusion, and that makes me a bit more sure that you're scum.

[TBuG]

FoS: CES

because other people see what I do.

[TBuG]

Unvote, Vote: M4yhem

I see what dahen sees, and this response upsets me:

PBug- Ces had that awful PR, I doubt that with that he's scum.

PR =/= Town. I already think CES is scum.

[TBuG]

PBug- If you think CES is scum, then vote for him. Personally I think that someone with a crippling post restriction is more likely to be town, because it seems to me the setup is intended to grief the town as much as possible.

But I think you're scummier, silly.

Now, if I was the one doing it, would I really draw attention to myself in such a negative way?
What’s the probability, given that it would be stupid for me to do it?
He even got my name wrong. You think I’d get my own name wrong?

Considering that you could bring up how stupid it would be for you to do it, I think it is you. I've misled a town as scum before by beiing incredibly scummy and saying my scum-mates were town, and I got lynched, and the logic was used that they probably aren't scum because I wouldn't be stupid enough to out my scummates like that.

[TBuG]

PBug- That's very interesting, but I'm not you. And the logic they used would have worked in most case. Why believe the less likely scenario, if there's a simpler explanation? How many times now has the mod lead us astray?

Because you, like Romanus, are using questions to lead me into a certain conclusion.

[TBuG]

yeah, it's called rhetoric, pretty much what this game is based on.

It's also a scum tell in my book.

[TBuG]

Is trying to convince other people of their case something only scum do?

It's not what you're doing, it's how you're doing it. You are trying to force me to think a certain way with your questions. I've done it before and I've seen other scum do it before. Prove the fact that you are town with cold, hard evidence. Don't compare yourself to Scum again, as that will make me think you're scum (and Scum) even more. If you don't want to die, give me reasoning for WHY you shouldn't die.

[TBuG]

MOD

, could you please prod the following players:

Cogito Ergo Sum
Fortify
Der Hammer
Ubertimmy
Dur Galad

[TBuG]

Still think M4yhem is scum.

[TBuG]

I will not be online until Sunday, the 19th except to quickly check certain topics. Do not panic.

Shame, really. I'm one of the two people actually posting.

[TBuG]

Wait, why are we lynching Fortify/replacement? Did you not see what I said about M4yhem?

[TBuG]

M4yhem = right lynch.

[TBuG]

Are you saying you started the argument against Glork?

[TBuG]

Yes, Thok, you were against Glork, but I definitely do not think you were one of the main anti-Glork proponents. Those would be myself and dahen. But I'll give you credit for that, you aren't a werewolf in my eyes.

We know we have a) mafia and b) werewolves. Had a serial killer, dead. I think we've gotten rid off all of the werewolves. I'm gonna scan thru everything real quick and compose a list if who died when and how.

[TBuG]

DAY 1

Lynched Mariyta, vanilla townie

VOTERS: Bethelmark, Cogito Ergo Sum, ChannelDelibird, Coron, Fritzler, marc.six, Masterchief, Mastermind of Sin, Pariah, PBuG, Glork, arimnaes, Primate

NIGHT 1

Bertrand, reverse hider was torn to shreds!
Pariah, the nightwatchman was shot!
Fritzler, the mafia traitor is exploded!

DAY 2

Lynched DrippingGoofball, serial killer.

VOTERS: CDB, marc.six, primate, MOS, CES, Pbug, GreenLiquid, Fortify, Thok, Glork, MM

NIGHT 2

Arimnaes, cop comissioner, clawed
kaleidoscope protown mason, shot
MOS, mafia mason, blown up

DAY 3

Lynched Coron, cop.

VOTERS: Fortify, Thok, Glork, MM, UberTimmy, PBug, Masterchief, Coron, Der Hammer

NIGHT 3

Machiavellian-Mafia, cop, was clawed
Primate I, Cassandra, was shot
Al_kohaluec, Werewolf Mason, was shot

DAY 4

Lynched Toaster Streudel, winner.

VOTERS: M4yhem, CES, Der Hammer, ubertimmy, CDB, dahen, PBug

NIGHT 4

Glork, Werewolf, shot!
ChannelDelibird, miller vig, clawed to death!

DAY 5

Lynched M4yhem, werewolf

VOTERS: PBuG, dahen, Der Hammer, dragyn_mage, CES

NIGHT 5

dahen, innocent child, shot.

[TBuG]

To continue that:

SHOT - Pariah N1, Kaleidoscope N2, Primate I & al_kohaulec N3, Glork N4, dahen N5
CLAWED - Bertrand N1, Arimnaes N2, MM N3, CD N4
'SPLODED - Fritzler N1, MOS N2

I think we can attribute shot to mafia, except for one for the vig; clawed is werewolves; sploded is SK. All we have left is mafia. Two mafia, including a traitor, are dead, so I'll guess we have two to deal with. I'm confirmed town from the notes which also said Fritzler was scum, correctly. So:

Cogito Ergo Sum - role w/ post restriction, implied town
PBuG - lyncher-esque protown role, confirmed town
Romanus - claimed cop
Primate II
Thok
Der Hammer
Ubertimmy
draygn_mage

Anybody want to speculate/claim/bitch/nag?

[TBuG]

Oh, and I think Scum was, indeed, controlled by M4yhem, or possibly mod?

[TBuG]

a) This is Bastard Mod, so I doubt it's even.
b) There was a traitor, and in my experience the traitor is a wild card, not really counted in the numbers of how many mafia there are.

I'm gonna go through in a minute and see if anything looks overly suspicious to me, if anyone else wants to as well, please do.

[TBuG]

Der Hammer posts rarely, and generally goes with the flow when he does.

ubertimmy often goes with the town, but not always. He didn't believe CD's vig claim and wanted him lynched.

Fortimate (Fortify/Primate II) generally gives off a town vibe, though he seemed to be kind of floating along by actively lurking. Believed my town claim.

Romanus (previously Green Liquid) trusted Glork and changed his vote from M4yhem to Fortify. If we still have a werewolf left, which we probably don't, it's him. Claimed Paranoid Cop, which is very easy to fake (I have done so in the past).
Green Liquid was mostly focused on vigging and then lynching DGB. That could verify the cop results, though, as Day 1, he was all for vigging, but Day 2, after supposedly investigating DGB, he was for the lynch.

CES has a post restriction, which although it isn't 100% sure, implies town. He generally gives off a very protown vibe, but he was eager to trust my "cop" results.

Dur Magemark (bethelmark/Dur-Galad/dragyn_mage) hasn't posted too much. Dur-Galad was generally unhelpful in his posts, when he made them. bethelmark voted for Shamrock then disappeared.

Thok has generally been helpful and pro-townish.

Based on that compunded, I am leaning towards either a Der Hammer or ubertimmy lynch. That in mind,

Vote: ubertimmy

.


BTW, Primate, thinking about it, I have a theory about DGB. I think she was time-delay, planting an explosive during the day that would explode at night.

I'm going to look over MoS to try and find any valid connections to living players.

[TBuG]

Only one connected to MoS is me, and I'm confirmed.

[TBuG]

Ah, wait, looking back over it, I'm not. I forgot that the voice (which I also thought was a note, not a voice) was proven to be wrong when we lynched Toaster Strudel.

[TBuG]

Note to self: Check things over before you actually attest to them being fact *sigh*

[TBuG]

So, anywho. Here's my list of who I think is town, who I'm not sure about, and who I think is scum.

Town:
Cogito Ergo Sum
Primate
Thok

?:
Romanus
dragyn_mage

Scum:
Der Hammer
ubertimmy

[TBuG]

That's what I want to do.

[TBuG]

Agreed.

[TBuG]

Unvote

for now,

Vote: Der Hammer

Although I agree with dragyn_mage, I do want to hear why Romanus switched votes.

[TBuG]

Hmm...

I am actually getting a striking suspicion that Romanus and Thok are the mafia members. Romanus could have answered that question very simply if he was protown. Thok, in post 1128 , tried to deter us from Romanus is I interpreted that post correctly.

Unvote: Der Hammer, Vote: Romanus

[TBuG]

FoS (although this is probably nothing): CES

just because he's following my votes and doesn't really give additional reasoning.

Primate, I honestly think that we should lynch Romanus before Thok. If Romanus isn't scum, Thok isn't scum, but we can't quite say that the other way around, so I feel safer lynching Romanus first.

[TBuG]

Thok voting Romanus so easily kinda unnerves me, and I think he's too good of a player to vote for a scummate with it being so predictable... I dunno.

[TBuG]

Oy. I thought I was dead...

I think the following people are definitely innocent:
Primate
Thok

I don't know about anyone else. CES is getting more and more scummy in my eyes.