The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Amrun]

fuck, that means my only scumread is inhim

:/


I want to do some analysis, but I'm watching orange is the new black right now.

[Amrun]

what the fuck?

[Amrun]

I'm GREY WIND, bitches.

inhim, claim or die!

[Amrun]

i forgot

[Amrun]

Oh, I'm VT, and it doesn't mention Robb, I think. :/ Let me double check.

[Amrun]

yeah i don't have a flavor blurb or anything

[Amrun]

100% sure. I do not have SHIT.

[Amrun]

idk

i'm guessing he's not vt

either way i seriously doubt it's not some sort of mod-originated claim

[Amrun]

Fuck that's awesome maybe I can die before lylo

100% believe Ven for his change of stance on Venmar due to results. Also I already thought that shit was town so whatever.

Reck, any reason you didn't suspect me for being grey wind?

[Amrun]

Yeah I'm good with this. Very happy with Reck town now.

I don't know which of my tsunami/ank/cabd reads are wrong. Worst claim is arya vt but weakest read is Ankamius.

VOTE: inhimshallibe

[Amrun]

On the other hand, dacey Mormont is a pretty obscure character which makes me think it's less likely to be a fakeclaim? Let me go check generic's claim.

[Amrun]

Fierce has picked up on something I hadn't noticed actually about apple, in that the explaining away of how he is perceived came from no actual need to explain anything. It was more a paranoia of being perceived as scummy and an explanation back to being town through it.

Apple, right now who are your top three suspects for mafia?

So Generic and Tierce tag teamed KillerApple in the thread, when they had daytalk. This, in my mind, makes cabd 100% town. I was already pretty sure but that's the "hammer" so to speak.

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Just to make my point.

Hey, Generic.

The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Oi.

Have mercy on the non-native, my English curled up in horror halfway through this. Can you rephrase it?

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Venmar

Amrun--what games have you played with Nacho before?

What do you want from me? If someone just says "player Xis town" and doesn't given any reason why I find it cockiness/arrogance/self sure on a high scale. It's like saying they don't need to say anymore be ause it should be obvious, but that hides potentially having no case at all for it and the only reason to be able to say it is they already know who is town... And only one type of player knows that for certain.

Shit, I know I had a scumread on Generic right at this point, but why did I talk myself out of it so easily? :/. This is a basic scum tell. "Stop! My mislynches are disappearing too fast!"

Three scum reads are you, venmar and reckoner.

Reckoner barely provides any actual case against anyone or reason for he vote. Much like you he tunnels hard but then flip flops the vote with the mood of the game.

Venmar spends a lot of time and effort pushing the nexus case, very good evforts too. But then abandons it to vote amrun and then leaps off that again because he isn't seeing any movement on that wagon. Opportunistically moving about, not actually based on scumtells.

Your lynch will answer for me why you ignore several of these other tells on others.
So what's next? Redirecting again or will you actually address the fact you only withdrew your lie when it was mentioned town lie about that sort if thing?
To me you tried to bully the game with the lie, it backfired like a motherfucker on you and you are now retracting while you can.

And you keep on with the onslaught in the hope to force it through. You have no case or else you would let it stand on its own, but you are panicking cos it didn't get the reaction you wanted.

If anyone needed any more reasons Reck and Venmar are town.

I did quote your post amrun with the intention of responding but then spotted desperados shit and commented on that.

My day 1 reads are out the window with metal sonic flipping town. Haven't had time to look back over the game, but reckoner is suspicious for that hammer drop, cabd was trying to set me up for suspicion before the day had even ended which now I know MS was town makes his quizzing everyone on whether we still thought he was scum as a tactical play.

And again.

Venmar, why are you only considered about lack of reasoning with Dekes votes and not other votes that have been thrown down?

I can only speak for me personally, but I'm not voting for Dekes because Nacho died (though knowing that the push came from town is good), but simply because his case was good, combined with Dekes' even more terrible posting at the end of the day and in twilight.

So it's short of sheeping Nacho but not for the reasons you think.

It is, however, fairly safe to think it's VERY LIKELY nacho was the one targetted last night.

I agree on nacho being the target, he was listed first of the lovers. I assumed the other lover died as a direct result, but does the flavour indicate suicide? That's usually the case with the 2nd lover on sites I have played on, yet it's very ambiguous in this case.

Nacho was probably the n1 scum kill.

Worthless check-in post. Just letting the mod know I'm still in this one.

Care to actually contribute?

Inhimshallibe, I was intrigued by your statistical analysis there with the votes and such, not a fan of such a cold method of scumhunting but I am still rather intrigued nonetheless.

Can you explain the bottom part of each of your three vote assessments please, whats the significance of the names and their positions?

Buddy coaching?

Im liking my cabd vote right now. He hasn't done anything to suddenly make me ignore the points I raised.

vote reckoner

Not letting him get away with it twice. Everyone seemed to forget his antics day 1, and I'm just as much to blame for that, but with MS it didn't seem to be as scummy via of how MS was playing.
But to do it twice? He has to for today, end of story.

Arm, I think you will find yesterday I suspected cabd and he isn't exactly being pro town now sheeping and Bsolving himself of responsibility.

And I am voting reckoner, who hammered out of nowhere twice.

So that's two. But no, not offering scum choices at all am I.

Did I mention that Reck and cabd are town? Yeah.

Inhim seems to be desperately pushing a question already asked... Excited by the mislynch are we?

Only mention of inhim as remotely scummy -- after he wasn't in generic's "scum" list.

[Amrun]

Also, generic was Raynald Westerling (fakeclaim), which is also obscure, so meh. Wifom theories floating in my head that aren't helping. One theory points to tsunami, one to ank.

[Amrun]

Reck, can you list your targets by night, please?

[Amrun]

Oh, hmm... That's odd re: Nacho.

[Amrun]

No, tsunami is right. Those are totally the reasons I have her as town.

But I'll let this flip sort things. I don't want him in lylo.

P-edit: we a team bro

[Amrun]

Try making a case or something, inhim. You haven't made any valid points.

[Amrun]

Yes, and I am 100% ready to lose the game if either Reck or cabd are scum. Have you even remotely read my posts today?

I believe we're looking at 1 or 2 scum remaining.

[Amrun]

Yes, Venmar too.

If you ARE town, then having you in lylo is probably instant loss did to your mislynchability.

So I suggest you get your thoughts down in full, if town. You are going down today. That is what's happening. If I make it to tomorrow and you flip town, I will consider your reads just as I did cdb's.

[Amrun]

Yes, if town is lynches today and I live, then just about everyone but Venmar will receive more scrutiny.

And there is a possibility of only one scum remaining, or of a scum sneaking into the obvtown, so I'd very much like to hear your full thoughts before you flip.

[Amrun]

Explain the logic behind tsunami/tierce/generic scum interactions.

[Amrun]

Yes, but he doesn't have any very compelling reason that interactions rule him out from being scum. One interaction points me that way, two sort of, but they're not like tsunami's. what difference does it make if both if them
Must be scum from your perspective?

[Amrun]

Who is the second scum, Ankamius?

[Amrun]

Who is the second scum, Ankamius?

!

Oh please it's very obvious she means to ask him who the other scum
Remaining is besides you.


No way we have 3 scum in 17 players, it only makes sense with four numerical wise.

Wait, was he trying to paint this as a scumslip?

[Amrun]

I don't think anyone gave him town points for that. I didn't, at least.

I shared some of my thoughts with the dead qt, but the claim is what won the game for Reck. Even so, it made no sense that I died over him.

Oh well. A+ hammer! Would read again.

[Amrun]

No, it didn't make sense because why would scum ATTEMPT to kill Venmar if Reck was town? It's not what scum would do.

And that's precisely why I didn't worry about it -- nights sort that out. But I guess I should have been more explicit because I was the only one it occurred to?


But honestly idk why I wasn't more suspicious of Reck's claim at the time. I lamented over it to Andy. X.X

[Amrun]

I did too for awhile but I didn't trust myself with it. Blegh! I would have at least pursued it after the Smudger flip but probably without confidence and would have eventually backed down, but luckily you took care of it.

Aannnnnd I proceeded to use her ISO to powerlynch nexus. :'(

The only thing I did right in this game is not look scummy.

[Amrun]

Idk why. Seemed too weak for a bus from you. I think you'd be more likely to power bus and with a better reason.

[Amrun]

Hahah good idea, someone nom that + Reck's hammer. TOO many choices!!